Out of character thread XVII

[Privateerkev]

Flydude makes three. Apparently there are a lot of us. :beam:

Just don't expect me to do a little dance on a pile of paperwork...

that's 4...

And to keep up with the quotes, "Life… death… either way I'll be confined to a tiny cubicle!"

[Zim]

I better add a quote of my own, then. :clown:

"I heard beer makes you stupid."
"No I'm...doesn't!"

[Privateerkev]

Is it from the same episode? :clown:

[Zim]

Is it from the same episode? :clown:

They have to be? Drat.

The good ones are taken. :clown:

How about "It was a regulation date that ended in regulation disappointment".

Or how about "I am Bender, please insert liquor!"

[Privateerkev]

They have to be? Drat.

Well, until your "beer makes you stupid" quote, every quote from all of us was from the episode
"How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Hermes_Requisitioned_His_Groove_Back)

Not only were there Futurama fans around here. But there were fans geeky enough to know exactly what episode was being talked about. :2thumbsup:

[Zim]

I resent the implication of that remark. I am geeky enough to recognize the episode, as can be shown by my pulling two quotes from the top of my head. :clown:


Well, until your "beer makes you stupid" quote, every quote from all of us was from the episode
"How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Hermes_Requisitioned_His_Groove_Back)

Not only were there Futurama fans around here. But there were fans geeky enough to know exactly what episode was being talked about. :2thumbsup:

[Privateerkev]

I resent the implication of that remark. I am geeky enough to recognize the episode, as can be shown by my pulling two quotes from the top of my head. :clown:

I never meant to imply that you weren't geeky enough. Your the one that first picked up on OK's quote.

But somewhere, you lost that geeky feeling. And now it's gone gone gone.

Whoa oa ooo...


:clown:

[Zim]

I never meant to imply that you weren't geeky enough. Your the one that first picked up on OK's quote.

But somewhere, you lost that geeky feeling. And now it's gone gone gone.

Whoa oa ooo...


:clown:

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally, the line called for me to say "yes", but I added my own little twist.

:clown:

[econ21]

The idea of a candidates' debate is an interesting one.

It would have to wait until Monday when AG is back. One model would be to collect questions from other players, send a list to the candidates and post their answers consecutively in the Diet. Would anyone be interested in taking on that role? Ideally, a non-partisan character neither candidate would object to.

Are there going to be any other candidates, BTW? I always like candidates to declare early so that their manifestoes can define the agenda for debate.

[Zim]

I wouldn't mind doing that, since I'm online so much anyway.

A few questions:

1. Would it be done IC or OOC? That is, would I be the guy collecting the questions, or Andreas?

2. Do I solicit questions, or is it just announced that I will be collecting them and people can send them to me?



The idea of a candidates' debate is an interesting one.

It would have to wait until Monday when AG is back. One model would be to collect questions from other players, send a list to the candidates and post their answers consecutively in the Diet. Would anyone be interested in taking on that role? Ideally, a non-partisan character neither candidate would object to.

Are there going to be any other candidates, BTW? I always like candidates to declare early so that their manifestoes can define the agenda for debate.

[econ21]

I wouldn't mind doing that, since I'm online so much anyway.

Great - I was thinking you were one of the more neutral participants.


1. Would it be done IC or OOC?

IC is always more fun.


2. Do I solicit questions, or is it just announced that I will be collecting them and people can send them to me?

Maybe Andreas should make an announcement asking people to send them to you and if by Sunday night you don't have enough, you could start soliciting.

[deguerra]

I like the idea Zim! Makes it easier to see in once place what the major point of opposition are. and we can create a 20th century phenomenon in the middle ages :D

[gibsonsg91921]

Yeah, this will be a close race, at least for Peter. I imagine a lot of you are already thinking for Arnold just because he's ARNOLD! In reality they're both pretty close in qualification.

[FactionHeir]

I was thinking of running, but with both Fritz and Arnold running, I'm not sure I would stand a chance. Besides, people don't like my empire management (Hans didn't get reelected while Matthias did) :grin:

[gibsonsg91921]

I guess Hans would have been re-elected if there were no viable candidates available at the time. I forget who else was running with Matthias, but I don't think it was someone that we wanted in.

[Warmaster Horus]

The two other candidates for the 1280-1300 chancellorship were Hans and Wolfgang Hummel, their opposition paving the way for the Swabian Rebellion.

[gibsonsg91921]

Yeah, and Wolfgang never was trusted much by anyone, and Hans was more worrisome at the time.

[_Tristan_]

Myself, I would rather go with Fritz... but my avatar is not decided yet

[gibsonsg91921]

I edited the List of King of the Romans characters wiki to include all the new characters, so you can start filling in the bio's.

[_Tristan_]

I've taken a look at the Wiki entry for Hugo, it is listed as Von Cervole instead of de Cervole...

I'll post his life story in the stories thread first anyway...

[FactionHeir]

KOTRfix 1.3 is up.
Link:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.rar

Please install and make sure it works on your end. As above, you must have it installed and working if you play a KOTR save and intend on uploading it as not to corrupt your avatar or that of others irreversibly.

Note the addition of the names fille in the text folder that you will need as well.

Easiest way to check whether the fix is working for you or not is to apply it and then check whether Arnold is a Saint or merely Inspiring and whether Tristan's avatar is de Cervole or von Holland.

If it is not working, contact me. Don't suffer in silence :bow:

[Ferret]

How hard is it to make a name change? Could add a lot of possibilities for new avatars.

[vpmd]

KOTRfix 1.3 is up.
Link:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.zip

Please install and make sure it works on your end. As above, you must have it installed and working if you play a KOTR save and intend on uploading it as not to corrupt your avatar or that of others irreversibly.

Note the addition of the names fille in the text folder that you will need as well.

Easiest way to check whether the fix is working for you or not is to apply it and then check whether Arnold is a Saint or merely Inspiring and whether Tristan's avatar is de Cervole or von Holland.

If it is not working, contact me. Don't suffer in silence :bow:

Is the link supposed to go to "atomicgamer.com"?

[Ramses II CP]

It's a .rar file rather than .zip, that's why FH's link is broken. Here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.rar

You can always check the upload space itself for the file:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/

Testing now.

edit: von Holland is now de Cervole and Arnold is still Inspiring. Everything seems to work fine. Thanks FH. :)

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

Ah you young whippersnappers still think we're playing a "democracy"...

:laugh4:

The 1280 election was just to get Matthias re-elected. Hans ran but threw the election because Jan asked nicely and dangled a massive army command in front of his nose. Ok, Jan didn't ask nicely. Jan threatened Hans and told him he'd throw him in prison if he refused. So, Hans stopped politicking and Matthias was re-elected. Wolfgang was merely a blip in that election and made no impact what-so-ever.

This was one of the real reasons Jan went to Bern. He felt guilty for treating Hans so bad in 1280 and wanted to atone. He ended up atoning for it alright, and paid that atonement with his life. Either way it made for a good story. :2thumbsup:

And if you really want to see a rigged election, study the 1260 one. :yes:

[Ferret]

Wow mighty Hans being threatened by merciful Jan :clown:

I'll have to check up on 1260 then.

[Privateerkev]

Wow mighty Hans being threatened by merciful Jan :clown:

I'll have to check up on 1260 then.

Why do you think Jan twisted Dieter's arm so hard to vote for Matthias? :yes:

And in Hans defense, I don't think he felt "threatened" by Jan. But he didn't want the Chancellorship that badly. It was more to just give more of a contest to the election. But he did want a big climatic battle in Outremer. So Jan gave him one. That massive battle between Hans and 2 Mongol armies was "payment" for his political help. Unfortunately Jens died due to all the arrows flying around. And that ended up biting Hans in the end because one of the reasons Dassel cut Hans head off was for vengeance on Hans for getting Jens killed.

I love how all the plots weave together... :2thumbsup:

[Zim]

:thumbsup: Andreas shall be the temporary Chancelor Canditate Interviewer, then. Too bad the IMS is down now, it'd be a good place to make that kind of announcemen. I'll just do it in the diet, and maybe add a line in my sig.

IC for now I'll just assume some faceless bureaucratic offical gave Andreas the job. If you want that changed (like, say, to the Kaiser appointing him), I can edit any posts I make where it's mentioned.


Great - I was thinking you were one of the more neutral participants.



IC is always more fun.



Maybe Andreas should make an announcement asking people to send them to you and if by Sunday night you don't have enough, you could start soliciting.

[Ramses II CP]

Bloody ^%$&, I was already reluctant to try at Chancellor, and now I've got to fill out a frickin' questionaire too. Can it be multiple choice Zim? :laugh4:

Anyone who wants to vote for Arnold because he has more OOC experience than me don't be shy about it. I'm not going to be hurt by losing (But Fritz is going to kill your relatives. Seriously).

:egypt:

P.S. :clown:

[Zim]

Sorry Ramses, my lingering resentment over my last few yaers of university means that all questions will require an essay answer.

Most likely the answers can be as long and short as you wish. :clown:



Bloody ^%$&, I was already reluctant to try at Chancellor, and now I've got to fill out a frickin' questionaire too. Can it be multiple choice Zim? :laugh4:

Anyone who wants to vote for Arnold because he has more OOC experience than me don't be shy about it. I'm not going to be hurt by losing (But Fritz is going to kill your relatives. Seriously).

:egypt:

P.S. :clown:

[Ferret]

well Ramses after reading your Danish AAR, Succession PBM writeups and KotR battle reports I have no doubts about your ability to play the game, it's just the added responsibility of other people's avatars and having to follow strict rules that will be new to you. AFAIK AG has never been chancellor either.

[Zim]

Ok, Econ21, so far I have a mighty 1 question. :clown: We'll see how many more come in over the next couple days.

I have to second Ramses OOC qualifications. In the Scottish PBM, I think he was the best campaign player among us.

[gibsonsg91921]

He's a pretty skilled battler too.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kind of an explanation, but I liken 14.4 mostly to Kennedy's "We're going to the moon by the end of the decade" speech early on in the Sixties. The goal of 14.4 is to unite national sentiment and focus part of our efforts to a goal that we can all share in once completed. Of course, whether or not it attains the desired effect...

Anyway, I'm really trying hard to resist posting "We fight the Byzantines not because it is easy, but because it is hard."

[econ21]

Ok, Econ21, so far I have a mighty 1 question.

You might consider some of the following:

Which front would the Chancellor personally like to campaign on?

Would Imperial armies be committed to any other fronts?

Which field armies or fronts are in most urgent need of reinforcement?

Would the Chancellor prioritise recruitment or building?

What kinds of buildings would the Chancellor be more inclined to authorise?

What territorial objectives does the Chancellor set for their term?

Why is does the candidate think he is better qualified than his rival?

Which past Chancellor does the candidate admire the most?

What was the candidate's worst mistake?

What was the candidate's greatest achievement?

Is the candidate a dog person or a cat person?

When did the candiate stop beating his wife?

[Privateerkev]

Given the candidates involved, another question should be,

Which is more intimidating, sticking the heads of your enemies on pikes or sacking the same city multiple times?

:clown:

[Zim]

:laugh4: I meant one question from other players. I'm sure I could come up with plenty on my own.

I'll consider those Kaiser Elberhard's contribution.

[Zim]

PK, a correction if I may.
Which is more intimidating, sticking the heads of your enemies on pikes or sacking your own city multiple times?

[FactionHeir]

Sorry all,

Ramses is correct, the link is broken because it points to a zip and not a rar file. I forgot to change that when copy pasting.

I updated the link above and will just post it again here in case people missed it:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.rar
(or in my signature)

If you need a zip version, let me know.

[gibsonsg91921]

Did the candidate have sexual relations with Elberhard's daughters?

btw, PK, i love ur new avatar. he's so much more fun than Jan! haha. from peters point of view, at least

[Privateerkev]

Did the candidate have sexual relations with Elberhard's daughters?

btw, PK, i love ur new avatar. he's so much more fun than Jan! haha. from peters point of view, at least

Well seeing as the oldest daughter is only 13, I sure hope not. Plus Arnold is actually related to them by blood so that has an even more complicating factor.

And thanks Gibson! :bow:

Dieter is getting fun to play. I'm starting to flesh him out a little more now and find his "voice". :2thumbsup:

Also, I am quite amused that Jan, even in death, can still cause arguing in the Diet... :laugh4:

[Northnovas]

I know it's been awhile since we did this but is there a location with the edicts proposed so far in the Diet? I am seeing the different edict numbers discussed and would like to review them all together. :book:
Or are we not at that stage yet??

[GeneralHankerchief]

Latest post in the Histories Thread.

[Northnovas]

Ahh! the Histories Thread.

[OverKnight]

The 1280 election was just to get Matthias re-elected. Hans ran but threw the election because Jan asked nicely and dangled a massive army command in front of his nose. Ok, Jan didn't ask nicely. Jan threatened Hans and told him he'd throw him in prison if he refused.

Let me add that Matthias was unaware of all this, and if he had known about it probably would have nixed it. It seemed as if he would be reelected without such deals, so why make them?

It does clarify some of the actions taken leading up to the election itself and afterwards.

Also, is anyone going to propose some edicts? All we have are CAs. I know that we don't need edicts to take back former Imperial settlements, but if you don't have an edict, the when and how of taking them back will be left up to the Chancellor.

[Zim]

I had an Edict idea, but Andreas is still waiting on King Matthias to give his opinion of it. :clown:

[Zim]

If anyone has ideas for questions for the Chancellor candiates, feel free to pm them to me. Otherwise, 90% of the questions will have come from Econ. :clown:

Since they haven't specifically been banned, questions directed specifically to one of the candidates regarding past actions are allowed, so long as they aren't solely aimed at baiting the candidate or making them look bad.

[AussieGiant]

Ok fella's I'm back!!

I'll make some type of entry back into the Diet.

[OverKnight]

I know Dieter Bresch endorsed Fritz over Arnold, but is there something else going on that would explain the antipathy between the two? Am I missing something?

[Ferret]

I dunno really, I'm in a funny mood and I've recently read about Jan and Arnold. Dieter was very close to Jan and Arnold can be a target to take his grief out on.

[OverKnight]

Ah, I'm no expert, but didn't those two eventually patch things up?

Of course, logic has never gotten in the way of ill feelings. :laugh4:

[Ferret]

yeah but Dieter didn't :clown:

[AussieGiant]

Well at least that might explain it EF.

You've got me stumped as to why though.

[Ferret]

Maybe he's just trying to teach the new faces not to be scared of dread knights in black armour :clown:

there is no real reason other than me though. I'll find some traits to excuse it later :clown:

[AussieGiant]

Maybe he's just trying to teach the new faces not to be scared of dread knights in black armour :clown:

there is no real reason other than me though. I'll find some traits to excuse it later :clown:

LOL, I don't really envisage any of the player characters as scared of Arnold :beam:

A little bit of "tension" is always good in the diet sessions. Arnold's curious as to why but he's quite prepared to have a little sparring :2thumbsup:

[Privateerkev]

Ah, I'm no expert, but didn't those two eventually patch things up?

Of course, logic has never gotten in the way of ill feelings. :laugh4:

Not really. They tried to work together for awhile but actions happened right before and at the 1300 Diet the pissed Jan off. So, he went back to antagonizing his favorite Dread Duke.

If you read the IMS message, Jan was deliberately antagonizing Arnold because he was supporting Becker. If Jan survived Bern, he was going to head to Prague with his army to lend Becker a hand.


Let me add that Matthias was unaware of all this, and if he had known about it probably would have nixed it. It seemed as if he would be reelected without such deals, so why make them?

OK is "half" right. Matthias was well aware of the deal. In fact, I could not have implemented the "carrot" without Mattias's help. What Matthias did not know about was the "stick". Jan kept that little secret to himself.

Hans's battle could not have been set up the way it was unless the Chancellor was assisting. It involved a lot of micro-managing and logistics. And Matthias was made quite aware that letting Hans do that battle "his way" was a political repayment.

:yes:

[OverKnight]

OK is "half" right. Matthias was well aware of the deal. In fact, I could not have implemented the "carrot" without Mattias's help. What Matthias did not know about was the "stick". Jan kept that little secret to himself.

Hans's battle could not have been set up the way it was unless the Chancellor was assisting. It involved a lot of micro-managing and logistics. And Matthias was made quite aware that letting Hans do that battle "his way" was a political repayment.

Really? Hmmm, that was a long time ago. What I do remember is that it wasn't my plan, and I didn't really ask for it to be done. I was kind of dragged in at the end. I do remember it involved a painful amount of PMs. :laugh4:

[Privateerkev]

I do remember it involved a painful amount of PMs. :laugh4:

Anyone who has dealt with FH's micromanaging will feel our pain...

:laugh4:

[econ21]

I'ved tinkered with the save to kill off the unwanted recruitables (Hermmann Ruppel and Wenzel von Kassel). I've also shifted the stacks to identify the feudal retinues of Arnold, Freidrich Karolinger and Fredericus Erlach:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1340-1b.zip

After 5 turns, we will review how the retinues are working out. I may also take that opportunity to top up AI armies, but generally I will try to restrict that to Diets only.

[FactionHeir]

And there goes another Ruppel.

[Privateerkev]

Hey OK, are you gonna name part 16 of the history thread "The Empire Strikes Back"?

:clown:

[econ21]

I've updated the playlist in the first post of the Chancellor and Governors Reports thread. PM me if you spot any errors - particularly regarding influence.

People can start posting their build queues in that thread. Dukes/Kings/Prinzes/Kaisers should also give orders for "their" armies.

[OverKnight]

Hey OK, are you gonna name part 16 of the history thread "The Empire Strikes Back"?

:clown:

The current title of the latest History post is a placeholder until a Chancellor is selected. Seems appropriate considering what we just came through. I just put it in as an "easter egg".

[AussieGiant]

I noticed that gibson posted his army orders in the Diet thread.

IF...and that's a big IF, I'm elected then I'm only going to look at the Chancellor thread for build queue's and army orders.

[gibsonsg91921]

*sigh* Alright, I'll post in the Chancellor thread.

[Zim]

Well, now that both candidates are back, should I present the questions soo?
I'll trim away some of the unneeded ones, but the list may still be a bit long. I'm thinking pm them the questions today, and then post them in the Diet tomorrow after they've had time to think about them.

[econ21]

Well, now that both candidates are back, should I present the questions soo?

Yes, go for it. :2thumbsup:

[Zim]

Pm first, then post tomorrow, or just post them in the Diet now?

[AussieGiant]

I'd post them in the Diet so everyone can see our responses, as we may even bounce things back off each other while answering.

[Zim]

That's fine. I was thinking give the candidates some time to look them over first, but why be nice like that? :beam: I have a bit of editting left, but I'll be done within the hour.

[Northnovas]

Off topic screenshots. I have been using that Howie's quick screen but it has been acting a little wonky. Not capturing the active screen or the campaign map it won't capture the cities or armies and black blocks in the saved image.
I have been taking the avatar shots and not all the shots are getting captured. I might take 5 screen shots to capture the traits of an avatar and when I go to the save shot 3 is missing and I have to go back into the game.
A little bit of a pain.
Just wondering if anyone is using something a little more consistent?

[FactionHeir]

Just use the print screen key in game. It makes reliable screenshots and places them in the tgas folder.

[Zim]

Alright, I've whittled the list down to 12 questions. If two similiar questions were asked, I tended to choose the non-Econ21 wording (and still the largest chunk of questions are his :clown: ).

I cheated a bit by merging a few that were similiar but covered what I felt were two important aspects of the same issue.

All complaints will be ignored by Andreas, who is not fond of paperwork anway, and not keen to discuss it with anyone else. :clown:

[Northnovas]

Just use the print screen key in game. It makes reliable screenshots and places them in the tgas folder.

That method has not been the best for me but I may play with it some more. Hey were onthe 20th page it will be time for a new OOC thread.

[AussieGiant]

And I'm going to bed...so see you all tomorrow.

[Zim]

Ok, with both candidates online, I think I'll post the questions now. Sorry if any of them seem "fluffy". :clown:

[Ramses II CP]

I'm just checking in, still watching football. It'll be awhile before I can concentrate enough to type up some good answers. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

The latest save has fog of war turned off. FYI if you're avoiding spoilers, you might not want to DL it, or at least be ready to turn fow on immediately. :)

:egypt: (Raiders made a game of it!)

[gibsonsg91921]

They haven't recovered from being whipped by the Packers, have they? :clown:

[FactionHeir]

Fixed a certain character's ancillary (will PM) in the save and turned fog of war back on.
New save:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1340-1c.zip

[Zim]

Hey guys,
if the Diet ends on Wednesday when does the voting take place? After it closes?

[AussieGiant]

Hi Zim,

That's correct. At the time indicated by Econ, the Diet will be closed and he will post up a Poll with the legislation that was seconded. This will also include a poll on the two candidates for Chancellor.

There is then about a one day voting period and after the votes are counted the results are codified into the current active legislation and away we go with the game and our new Post Cataclysm Chancellor.

[Zim]

Thanks,
I've been wondering when voting started. I wonder how close a race this will be? All sorts of people are declaring for Arnold, but since they're mostly in his House, that's to be expected. :clown:

[_Tristan_]

Off topic screenshots. Just wondering if anyone is using something a little more consistent?

I got to use FRAPS (freeware) and found its use real cool as it allows high-res pics (mine are 1280x1024 but it could be higher) whereas the ingame hotkey only allows pics to be 1024x768.

Plus, with FRAPS, you can assign a particular folder to save the screens, quite cool when you're taking shots from multiple campaigns...

[TinCow]

Off topic screenshots. I have been using that Howie's quick screen but it has been acting a little wonky. Not capturing the active screen or the campaign map it won't capture the cities or armies and black blocks in the saved image.
I have been taking the avatar shots and not all the shots are getting captured. I might take 5 screen shots to capture the traits of an avatar and when I go to the save shot 3 is missing and I have to go back into the game.
A little bit of a pain.
Just wondering if anyone is using something a little more consistent?

I also use a screenshot program for screen caps and I have the same problem on occasion, thought not as often as 3 shots out of 5. It seems to me that when it occurs the program is capturing only the underlying map, with the interface and all map overlays (cities, roads, armies, water, etc.) missing. I have found that clicking on something in the interface (i.e. open diplomacy, then close it) before taking the screenshots helps keep the number of screwed up shots low. This only started happening for me after the 1.3 patch.

econ21: Can I get an OOC rule confirmation on the King/Viceroy of Outremer? Does the "renounce loyalties to his House" bit force him to give up his House province? The answer impacts whether Milan has no current Count. Bavaria is in an interesting position because of the 'donation' of Nuremburg. I have not technically named a new capital for the Duchy yet. Since the capitals have to be run by the Duke, I do not want to name a new capital unless I have a 'free' County, since depriving one of my Electors of his County would not make him like me much. If, however, Matthias cannot be Count of Milan due to Outremer, that would give me a 'free' province that I could name the capital without upsetting the current balance.

[OverKnight]

For that part of the Charter, I kept the phrasing the same. So I would assume econ's previous ruling would still be in effect. Still confirmation would be nice.

[Privateerkev]

After a PM to Econ about Chancellor thread errors, he fixed Matthias's influence and allowed him to "stack" the King and Count influence. Thus, it seems that the King gets to keep Milan.

:book:

[TinCow]

Thanks to Northnovas, the Library is now fully updated. As usual, let me know if you see any errors.

Things I know are missing. I will add them at some point today:
Coats of Arms for all avatars
Name of Ehrhart Ruppel’s wife
Mugshot for Dieter von Essen

[Northnovas]

Did I miss von Essen? I didn't recall him coming on the list but did see him Zagreb. I will sent it to you.

[Privateerkev]

:O

People missed von Essen!?!?!

How could you?!?!

:clown:

[FactionHeir]

Name of Ehrhart Ruppel’s wife


Vuifken
Weird name, I know.

[edit]
Btw, can will you please spell my alias on my character sheet title correctly? :grin2:

[_Tristan_]

Will you please spell my alias on my character sheet title correctly? :grin2:

Same here... Name is de Cervole...

[econ21]

Does the "renounce loyalties to his House" bit force him to give up his House province?

No, he can keep it (and get the extra +1 influence). The "renounce loyalties" clause was to indicate that he was supposed to be non-partisan, not dispossessed.

[TinCow]

Errors fixed. "de Cervole" needs to be fixed in the Chancellor's thread too. I cut and pasted from there, which is what caused the error.

[_Tristan_]

yep, I knew I had seen it elsewhere but couldn't remember where...

[TinCow]

Elite Ferret, Privateerkev, and Cecil XIX may want to alter their recent Tavern posts, as they now make no sense. Serves you right for making witty responses to a post that was obviously erroneous.

[Privateerkev]

It's just so much funnier when you picture Lothar giving a long-winded polticial speech in the Tavern.

:laugh4:

[Cecil XIX]

Indeed. Heck, I'll take a mass hallucination too.

[AussieGiant]

I just solved it. Jump on for an amusing solution chaps.

[Zim]

Drat, I was going to have Andreas joke about whether that was Absinthe Dieter spiked his coffee with. :clown:

[AussieGiant]

Drat, I was going to have Andreas joke about whether that was Absinthe Dieter spiked his coffee with. :clown:


Beaten to the punch Zim...you've gotta be quick around here sometimes :balloon2:

[gibsonsg91921]

ugh, this is tough fighting with TinCow. he's so smart! haha

[Zim]

Hey, you don't reach a decent rank in secret Kaiser killing organizations without being pretty sharp. :yes:

[OverKnight]

Parallel arguments in the Diet and Tavern threads, truly what an age we live in. :laugh4:

Though I must say the one in the tavern is juicier.

[Ramses II CP]

Oh man Zim, if you're in that organization you had better never let Fritz find out. I cannot imagine him not going rebel to get at that information.

:egypt:

[GeneralHankerchief]

This... is awesome.

[TinCow]

Hey, you don't reach a decent rank in secret Kaiser killing organizations without being pretty sharp. :yes:

*Ahem* Alleged rank in secret Kaiser killing organizations. I will remind you all that the only solid evidence of Lothar's involvement is in two stories that no one else can possibly have IC knowledge about.

[Cecil XIX]

Man, when was the last time we had a good Duke Fight?

Ah, if only Sigismund were alive. He'd be itching for a fight with Lothar, and doing so while coming to Peter's defense would just make things sweeter.

EDIT: Yes, another Duke to the fight! Quick, get in there AG! This has the makings of a Civil War! ...If having such a thing made any sense.

[Zim]

*Ahem* Alleged rank in secret Kaiser killing organizations. I will remind you all that the only solid evidence of Lothar's involvement is in two stories that no one else can possibly have IC knowledge about.

:beam: Well, this is the OOC thread so I believe evidence not available to my character is admissable.


Oh man Zim, if you're in that organization you had better never let Fritz find out. I cannot imagine him not going rebel to get at that information.

:egypt:

Bah, if I was in such an organization Matthias would know, and my not being dead would mean he's in it as well. Since I'm sure Matthias could take Fritz, I have nothing to worry about.

:clown:

P.S. Tincow, Lothars magic box of secret letters isn't helping the whole "not in a secret organization" argument. :clown:

[Zim]

:laugh4: Lets see how many people Duke Lothar can verbally best at one time.

[flyd]

We need to band together and chase him out of the tavern. OOC, I don't mind what thread you guys use to argue, but IC, I just want to drink my beer in peace!

[Ramses II CP]

You might bet on Matthias in the field, but would you bet against Fritz's sheer devious malevolence? Truly, what act would you say is beyond him?

I think Fritz might exterminate Rome himself to get to his brother's killer. :help:

:egypt:

[deguerra]

OOC: (as the thread suggests :P)

What happened to him in-game? Has it been resolved what happened to him IC?

[Warluster]

@econ21, Have you considered maybe making a new OOC thread when we reach 30 pages? 20 seems to disappear very fast.

[OverKnight]

Congratulations, the Tavern thread has made it into the history for the first time with the latest dust up. :2thumbsup:

I was tempted to link to it when everyone was chanting Matthias's name (:clown:) as if it was Rocky IV, but this seemed more worthy.

[Privateerkev]

Oh man, if only Jan were still alive. I had some juicy IC information that he had been sitting on until the time was right. :yes:

A Jan/Lothar debate in the Tavern would be titanic. Jan still might not win since Lothar was pretty careful at avoiding anything that could link him to Siegfried's murder. But at the very least, Jan probably could make more of a dent than Peter or Athawolf could. :2thumbsup:

I knew I should have had Jan leave those letters in a will or something to be sent to another character. :shame:

(oh wait, I did... Oh well, it's up to those "in the know" to do something about it now...)

It is definitely a challenge to be playing a new avatar who doesn't "know" anything when the player knows quite a bit. :yes:

[Zim]

Congratulations, the Tavern thread has made it into the history for the first time with the latest dust up. :2thumbsup:

I was tempted to link to it when everyone was chanting Matthias's name (:clown:) as if it was Rocky IV, but this seemed more worthy.

:laugh4: Woohoo!

I personally give extra credit to Godwinson for telling a Duke that he is disturbing the peace in a tavern in his own Duchy's capital.

Ramses II CP, I think we should have a dread-off between Fritz, Arnold, and Matthias. :clown:

[Privateerkev]

Peter has very high dread as well. He has undergone a "face-turn" lately and tried to come off as a "nice" guy. But he has around 8 or so dread.

[Zim]

So all the Chivalrous avatars are either still kids or dead?

[Ramses II CP]

As far as I know Siegfried's death was a necessary function of the mechanics of the Cataclysm, which is to say it's an open question who killed him, he just had to die to make the story move the way the GMs wanted it to.

I wasn't there, but that's what I've read between the lines, so to speak. It's possible that a decision was made about who was actually responsible, but not let out to the general public, which is what makes Fritz so much fun to talk too. He's too loyal, to the Reich and to Lutheranism, to contemplate what must be obvious to us outside actors, which is that nothing significant happens in the game without a German behind it, OOC or IC.

Fritz not only has high loyalty, he has nervous of Outsiders and long held Lutheran antipathy to Byzantium, so IMHO it would be hard for him to reach the conclusion that someone within the Reich successfully pulled a 5th of November stunt. That doesn't mean you want to come confessing to me. I do not want spoilers to mess up Fritz's maybe confrontation (If the Danes don't get him with their descending Uber Stack he's too stupid to retreat from). :whip:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Elberhard and Karl Zirn are both high chivalry, but Zirn just went over 60 I think so he's on his last legs.

Fritz loses 3 dread from his noble in rule line of traits, otherwise he'd have 8 as well I think. He's the only one of the bunch to sack a German city though. Twice.

Don't cross him.

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

As far as I know Siegfried's death was a necessary function of the mechanics of the Cataclysm, which is to say it's an open question who killed him, he just had to die to make the story move the way the GMs wanted it to.

I wasn't there, but that's what I've read between the lines, so to speak. It's possible that a decision was made about who was actually responsible, but not let out to the general public, which is what makes Fritz so much fun to talk too. He's too loyal, to the Reich and to Lutheranism, to contemplate what must be obvious to us outside actors, which is that nothing significant happens in the game without a German behind it, OOC or IC.

It was necessary to move the game forward, but there is someone responsible for it "in-game". And certain characters made assumptions right away as to who it was. Having played one of those characters, I will say there are coincidences that convinced a group of people to a certain someone's complicity but no actual proof that could be presented to the Diet.


So all the Chivalrous avatars are either still kids or dead?

Elberhard and Karl Zirn are still around.


He's the only one of the bunch to sack a German city though. Twice.


Lorenz sacked Budapest


but only once... :D

[OverKnight]

I think if you asked Matthias, he wouldn't say he was Dreadful, he's just being Pragmatic in a extremely nasty situation.

If he ransoms or let's prisoners go, he'll just have to fight them again. Even ransom money would just be spent on replacing troops he lost fighting the same men again. So, logic dictates that the prisoners be killed.

Basically the Levant has devolved into an Eastern Front scenario where no quarter is asked or given. Ironically, according to that metaphor, Outremer is Russia, retreating into the Interior to seek the aid of General Mountain and General Bridge rather than General Winter.

[Privateerkev]

Basically the Levant has devolved into an Eastern Front scenario where no quarter is asked or given. Ironically, according to that metaphor, Outremer is Russia, retreating into the Interior to seek the aid of General Mountain and General Bridge rather than General Winter.

Yet somehow Jan went his entire career with only releasing prisoners. :clown:

Of course that caused a bunch of little "Jan stacks" to be wandering around...

:laugh4:

[Zim]

So, a man on his deathbed and another one whose chivalry trait was replaced by 1 Authority. The Reich is indeed becoming a dreadful place. :clown:

OK, are we Russia in the Napoleonic wars or the Soviets in WW2? If the former we can at least claim to be the good guys. :clown:

[OverKnight]

I was thinking WWII, Uncle Joe. Keep in mind, it's a very loose metaphor.

Edit: Correct, PK, but things have changed just a tad in Outremer. Even Matthias, during the salad days, consistently ransomed. The only time he didn't, was at the battle outside Caesarea when letting the prisoners live would have strengthened the surviving remnants of the garrison. Since the Greeks had to be spoon fed into actually taking the damn place, I couldn't risk that.

Of course, If I knew then what I know now, I would have let the Greeks and Turks kill each other, killed whoever survived and then taken the Citadel for my own. Now that would have been Dreadful.

[Privateerkev]

So, a man on his deathbed and another one whose chivalry trait was replaced by 1 Authority. The Reich is indeed becoming a dreadful place. :clown:

Elberhard has his chivalry traits. It's his loyalty that switches over.

And the Reich seems to be crawling out of it's dread-hole. (boy that sounds dirty)

Chivalry and dread ebb and flow in this game. When one is in ascendence, players start switching over to the other.

Without really meaning to, we end up striking a kind of balance.

In general though, it is far easier to get dread in this game than chivalry. Plus, executing prisoners offers real concrete benefits on the battle front. Dread helps when attacking because you can rout easier. And chivalry has less use in this game since we usually don't sit our chivalrous avatar in settlements in order to grow them faster, like we do in SP games.

Basically, you only become chivalrous if you truly want to portray a chivalrous character. If you don't care, or want to be a moderate, you have 1-3 dread. This is because some executing and battledread is almost inevitable unless you take real steps to prevent it. And then if you want to join the "dread club", it is relatively easy to get 8 dread.

[Zim]

Whatever you say, Uncle Matt. :clown:



I was thinking WWII, Uncle Joe. Keep in mind, it's a very loose metaphor.

:wall: Doh! I got them mixed up.

I should warn OK that with Noble in Battle and a loyalty trait adding 2 more chivalry, Andreas is likely to take a chivalrous approach to warfare. Hence, soeday there will be little Andreas stacks.

As long as Andreas is not the head general of the army he's in, he won't get dread points for Matthias' actions, will he?


Elberhard has his chivalry traits. It's his loyalty that switches over.

And the Reich seems to be crawling out of it's dread-hole. (boy that sounds dirty)

Chivalry and dread ebb and flow in this game. When one is in ascendence, players start switching over to the other.

Without really meaning to, we end up striking a kind of balance.

In general though, it is far easier to get dread in this game than chivalry. Plus, executing prisoners offers real concrete benefits on the battle front. Dread helps when attacking because you can rout easier. And chivalry has less use in this game since we usually don't sit our chivalrous avatar in settlements in order to grow them faster, like we do in SP games.

Basically, you only become chivalrous if you truly want to portray a chivalrous character. If you don't care, or want to be a moderate, you have 1-3 dread. This is because some executing and battledread is almost inevitable unless you take real steps to prevent it. And then if you want to join the "dread club", it is relatively easy to get 8 dread.

[Privateerkev]

I should warn OK that with Noble in Battle and a loyalty trait adding 2 more chivalry, Andreas is likely to take a chivalrous approach to warfare. Hence, someday there will be little Andreas stacks.

If Matthias gives Andreas any, and I mean any trouble in that regard, OK would be good to remember a certain "army commander rights" speech he had his character give another character... :clown:


As long as Andreas is not the head general of the army he's in, he won't get dread points for Matthias' actions, will he?

No.

[OverKnight]

FactionHeir would be able to give you a more complete answer, but Generals not commanding do not pick up dread or chiv over the actions of their superiors AFAIK.

As for Andreas releasing prisoners, well, I'm sure it will make for some good roleplaying.

[Privateerkev]

FactionHeir would be able to give you a more complete answer, but Generals not commanding do not pick up dread or chiv over the actions of their superiors AFAIK.

Do you know if you can get any scar or courage traits if your not commanding?

The only traits I know for sure that transfer to non-commander avatars in a stack is Crusader traits. Anyone in a Crusader stack will get the "points". When those points add up, they get the traits.

[OverKnight]

I've noticed that secondary Generals have picked up traits in battles they fought in but did not command. Usually the more epic battles. I've noticed stuff like dauntless come up, but I've never seen chiv or dread related traits added.

Again, I'm sure FactionHeir will be able to provide a detailed reply on the question.

[flyd]

I'm sure you can pick up both courage and scars. Fredericus von Hamburg got both in Leopold's battle with the Mongols, in which he was the only survivor of his bodyguard.

[OverKnight]

Now that (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1569907&postcount=85) was (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1570022&postcount=86) a battle. Leopold, the originial Dread Duke, versus two and half Mongol stacks. Bad Ass.

Speaking of past battles, would anyone be interested in a "My favorite battles" thread. The essential idea would be to post a link to your favorite battle, not necessarily your own, and provide sort of a director's commentary on it.

I feel it serve to illustrate some of the games earlier battles, ones that have been relegated to the back pages, and provide further insights into them.

[AussieGiant]

Good god the Tavern has kicked off!!

I've just wandered in and can't help but try and escalate it a little. :laugh4:

[FactionHeir]

Only commanding generals can get traits from battle. If you are commanding general of a reinforcement troop however, you will get nothing, which is why you normally want a general to engage the battle rather than a captain (SP term speaking)

That said, it would be nice if it were possible for a noncommanding general to still pick up the scar, brave and coward line of traits, or even the bloodthirsty or hemophobe ones. Sadly, this is not really possible.

Now, as for chivalrous generals, I know Ruppel has been keeping a low profile, but that's not a reason to ignore him completely! :yes:

[Zim]

I think we were discussing mostly the older generation of generals. Guys like Ruppel and Andreas are the future. On to a more chivalrous empire! :beam:


Only commanding generals can get traits from battle. If you are commanding general of a reinforcement troop however, you will get nothing, which is why you normally want a general to engage the battle rather than a captain (SP term speaking)

That said, it would be nice if it were possible for a noncommanding general to still pick up the scar, brave and coward line of traits, or even the bloodthirsty or hemophobe ones. Sadly, this is not really possible.

Now, as for chivalrous generals, I know Ruppel has been keeping a low profile, but that's not a reason to ignore him completely! :yes:

[Ferret]

What about Bresch! He has 4 chivalry points :yes:

[Zim]

Bresch doesn't count. :clown:

[Ferret]

:chucks: that's what you think :chucks:

didn't your mumma ever teach you not to mess with ninjas?

[Zim]

Medieval German ninjas? :clown:

Yep, you have to step aside for the new Dieter, that von Essen fellow. ~;)

[Ferret]

nah Austrians make pathetic ninjas, just look at Arnold. Sure he wears black and all, but that heavy armour isn't exactly easy to move around in, a ninja has to be fast. Another reason von Essen doesn't cut it is because he wants to go to Outremer, who ever heard of a crusading CHRISTIAN ninja?

:clown: (btw I think this has become the new most used smiley in this thread)

[Privateerkev]

what's funny is that there are actually 3 dieter's now...


hmm... von Essen the Crusading German Medieval Ninja...

I like the sound of that. :clown:

[AussieGiant]

A ninja versus the Dread Duke...how many of those little black fairies do you propose to throw at him!?? :laugh4:

[FactionHeir]

Please flame Ruppel. He's new to the diet and as in mafia games, newcomers need to be lynched :laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please flame Ruppel. He's new to the diet and as in mafia games, newcomers need to be lynched :laugh4:

I was going to stay out of this one and let TinCow handle it, but your wish...

[TinCow]

Tally-Ho! :charge:
Hi-O, Sarcasm, Away! :charge:

[Zim]

Nice to see a new argument in the Diet now that the Tavern one seems to have calmed down. :beam:

Are all the Diets like this? If so, I'm going to enjoy them even more than I thought I would.

[FactionHeir]

Zim, second the edict :tongue2: You are Swabian afterall.

TC, GH, its good to vent your frustration on your nemesis from the cataclysm, is it not? :grin:

[TinCow]

Perhaps for GH, but I was able to get out all my frustrations by using the "create_unit" command. Always followed by maniacal laughter, of course.

[Zim]

I might be online, but Andreas is not in the Diet chamber yet. ~;p

I need to think about this IC. Is there some kind of precedent for this Edict or is it something completely shocking?


Zim, second the edict :tongue2: You are Swabian afterall.

TC, GH, its good to vent your frustration on your nemesis from the cataclysm, is it not? :grin:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unfortunately, this is the last time we'll be able to spar with alternate personalities.

Once Herrmann spawns, I'm putting Luther to bed and put everything behind me. I promise.

[FactionHeir]

Just as you put aside Jens when taking Dassel? :grin2:

Oh, I can imagine Ruppel and Herrmann at each other's throats, if not for past personalities, then for chivalry vs dread. :yes:

[TinCow]

From the Diet thread:


Alexander Luther:
Finally, I once again request that I be granted a vote in this Diet. With people like Bresch improperly slandering my name after I have repeatedly apologized, I must be allowed to defend my honor.

GH, you definitely get a vote because you're a player in KOTR. However, it can't be as Luther, since Luther isn't (and can't be) an Elector. Your vote will go in as a simple anonymous Elector of Bavaria, since that is the House you now belong to.

[GeneralHankerchief]

econ21 and I have already discussed Luther's voting status. I just would prefer a vote as Luther rather than some nameless guy to properly finish the character off. Luther the character is displeased at his voting status.

[gibsonsg91921]

PK, when you say Peter has tried to be more of a nice guy, it's because most of his dread points are in battle and he is very loyal, so he loves the Germans and wants to rape all the bad guys.

[Privateerkev]

A ninja versus the Dread Duke...how many of those little black fairies do you propose to throw at him!?? :laugh4:

Especially when one of those little black fairies would be defending the Dread Duke. Do not mess with Dieter the Crusading German Medieval Ninja!


Are all the Diets like this? If so, I'm going to enjoy them even more than I thought I would.

Yes. Well, at least every one I've been in. Though I'm amused that I have a whole lot less to do with the drama that is in this one. :laugh4:


Is there some kind of precedent for this Edict or is it something completely shocking?

The pillory was something TC made up when the spare avatar, Jens von Kassel, was bribed by the Russians. Since then, this is the first attempt to move player controlled avatars into the pillory.


PK, when you say Peter has tried to be more of a nice guy, it's because most of his dread points are in battle and he is very loyal, so he loves the Germans and wants to rape all the bad guys.

o_O

[gibsonsg91921]

You know what I mean by rape. Not sexual rape. Like PWNING NOOBS rape. haha. Like r@p3.

[Zim]

Too late to take it back, gibsonsg91921. We now know Peter's secret, his wish to sexually violate enemy soldiers. :clown:

[Privateerkev]

You know what I mean by rape. Not sexual rape. Like PWNING NOOBS rape. haha. Like r@p3.

Obviously I did not know what you meant by rape. :laugh4:

Hey, when you get to 8 dread, who knows what your avatar is capable of?

:clown:

[TinCow]

Obviously I did not know what you meant by rape. :laugh4:

Hey, when you get to 8 dread, who knows what your avatar is capable of?

:clown:

Don't judge the Dread Crew. The only confirmed rape in KOTR was done by a chivalrous man who was devoutly religious.

[gibsonsg91921]

Yeah, didn't Mandorf rape Otterbach?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, didn't Mandorf rape Otterbach?

Yes, and the result of that was Salier, who mentored Jan von Hamburg, who fought in the Battle of Bern.

We could definitely do a Six Degrees of Separation for this game with the connector being Bern.

[Privateerkev]

The only confirmed rape in KOTR was done by a chivalrous man who was devoutly religious.

Looking at the Mausoleum, it seems Mandorf hovered between 1 chivalry and 1 dread for a good part of his life. Also, wasn't the rape committed "pre-Hildegard", which would have meant his piety was only 3-4?

:book:

[Zim]

Hey guys, do mods with their own folders messup your ability to play KOTR or hotseat games?

[gibsonsg91921]

I think not. KOTR is retroactive, afaik.

[Cecil XIX]

Installed properly, the mod is only used with a specific MIITW shorcut. If you just use the normal .exe or run it from the CD menu, it won't affect anything.

[Zim]

Ok. I had to install the mod the other way (in my config file) but I think I could fix that now.

Look at those animals in the Diet, dragging my old character's name in the mud. :clown:

[econ21]

I've closed the Diet session early as an OOC measure - we seem to have exhausted our work there.

[OverKnight]

Morbid question, but if Edict 14.5 passes, do we exhume Dietrich and Wolfgang from the Mausoleum, bury them in the Pillory and then transfer them back to the Mausoleum once the Edict expires at the end of the term?

[FactionHeir]

Eh good question. I PMed TC a few days back about moving those two to the Pillory. He said only an edict is required. Of course he could have meant what you do....he's a lawyer afterall.

[deguerra]

goes off to get a shovel :laugh4:

[TinCow]

Nah, if the edict passes the move will be permanent. Well, unless there is a later edict that moves them back.

[Warmaster Horus]

Sorry guys, I accidentaly voted "yes" on Edict 14.5. Obviously, the former sentence would have no sense if I meant to vote "no".

So, could you guys count it as a "no", instead?

[AussieGiant]

is anyone there?

It seems rather dead.

[Zim]

I'm around, and Tincow is online. :yes:


is anyone there?

It seems rather dead.

[Privateerkev]

is anyone there?

It seems rather dead.

I think we're all tired from the Diet session. :laugh4:

[Ramses II CP]

I'm just prepping my concession speech. :p

:egypt:

[econ21]

I was going to post something like the following to the new Chancellor, but figure it would be good for everyone to be aware of:

The main post-cataclysm innovation is the CA that requires the Chancellor to give a 24 hour window at the beginning of each turn to allow players to fight battles or submit orders.

OOC CA 14.2: At the start of each turn, the Chancellor will post an annual report on the last turn, including a save game. The report will list battles that could be fought this turn. Players will have 24 hours to fight these battles or suggest moves for their characters. This system will be trialled for 5 turns and then either abandoned or continued based on majority opinion.

The way I envisage this working - starting with 1240 - is that the Chancellor will post a list of players that he thinks could or should have battles this turn. The only difference between this list and our usual lists of pending battles is that before posting the Chancellor will not have moved the generals into position for the battles (indeed it may be best for him not to do anything to the save after pressing end turn).

Army commanders can then shout out and claim the save to fight their battles as usual. The only difference from our usual practice is that they will also move their general on the campaign map as well as fight a battle. To keep things manageable, players should only upload new saves if they have fought battles.

If players want to make moves that do not involve battles, they must contact the Chancellor with suggestions for their moves and he will make them (or not, as he sees fit). Sometimes players may think a move will lead to a battle, but it does not - they can't quite reach or the enemy retreats etc. It would be best not to upload new saves here - just tell the Chancellor and he will make the move.

I suggest that we use the Chancellor and Governor's reports thread for communications between army commanders and the Chancellor as it should be easier to keep track of for the Chancellor than many different PMs. Each army commander could have one post per turn that they edit to keep up to date, for example.

Players without armies can PM the Chancellor with suggestions as usual.

If there are a lot of battles, we may have to allow more than 24 hours to fight them all (48 hours is the normal maximum) but I suggest we keep 24 hour window fixed for the orders (to avoid drowning the Chancellor).

We will trial this system for 5 turns. If after that time a simple majority of players want to ditch it, we will.

[Privateerkev]

Is the player authorized to take units out of settlements, captain stacks, or other people's armies when they make their move?

If they are not authorized, how will we know if it happens?

And what do we do if it does?

[AussieGiant]

I was certainly thinking of simply doing nothing for the moment and then checking the save as you mention Econ.

I'd then post in the OOC the battle options similar to what we were doing. This would not preclude any avatar controlled army commander from sticking his hand up and wanting to fight even though I don't think it's a good idea.

Once we have gone through all the battles then I'll take the save for all the rest of the work i.e. economic activities, diplomatic activities, all other character moves (spies, princesses, etc etc), reinforcements, recruiting.

Once I've done all that then it would be an end turn button press, check the AI turn for their attacks and then once I am in 1242 I'll stop, post the report for 1240, then start it all over again with the avatar controlled army phase and a list of the recommended offensive actions.

From my table top gaming days, the order or things is important and does impact the way things should be best done.

Keeping that in mind what are everyone's thoughts?

[AussieGiant]

In my opinion I don't want anyone doing anything except taking their stack and attacking the enemy stack and then moving it where ever they want with the remaining movement points. Or moving their stack where ever they want it to be.

[econ21]

Is the player authorized to take units out of settlements, captain stacks, or other people's armies when they make their move?

If they are not authorized, how will we know if it happens?

And what do we do if it does?

I don't want to get legalistic on this, but in general terms units in the stack of a bona fide army should be considered part of that army.[1]

If the army commander wants more units from elsewhere, he should clear that with the Chancellor first.

If the army commander takes units from elsewhere without clearing with the Chancellor, then it is up to the Chancellor how to respond. In general terms, I would suggest the Chancellor respond IC if it is a minor issue (taking an odd unit from a local garrison or something). If it is a major one that would not be plausible in game terms (e.g. taking from another commander's army), then an OOC response would be more suitable - ie the Chancellor does not accept the save.




[1]This could get messy if an army stacks with a garrison or feudal militia or other generals etc. But I think it would be good for the game if people are clear about what units are in their army and are not. It may even be worth generals posting an agreed screenshot of the units in their army in the Chancellor and governor's thread.

[Privateerkev]

Cool, thanks for the answers.

:2thumbsup:

[AussieGiant]

Sounds reasonable to me.

:yes:

[AussieGiant]

Does anyone have any issues with this order of things?


I was certainly thinking of simply doing nothing for the moment and then checking the save as you mention Econ.

I'd then post in the OOC the battle options similar to what we were doing. This would not preclude any avatar controlled army commander from sticking his hand up and wanting to fight even though I don't think it's a good idea.

Once we have gone through all the battles then I'll take the save for all the rest of the work i.e. economic activities, diplomatic activities, all other character moves (spies, princesses, etc etc), reinforcements, recruiting.

Once I've done all that then it would be an end turn button press, check the AI turn for their attacks and then once I am in 1242 I'll stop, post the report for 1240, then start it all over again with the avatar controlled army phase and a list of the recommended offensive actions.

From my table top gaming days, the order or things is important and does impact the way things should be best done.

Keeping that in mind what are everyone's thoughts?

[gibsonsg91921]

Does anyone else think the bar fight had more impact than we can know now? Historical consciousness, people!

It's all about the interhouse alliances. Looks like Franconia and Swabia are getting cozy, while Bavaria and Austria are doing well (sealed in the blood of the Illuminati's foes...). I think a lot of people aren't going to be able to trust each other in the future. If Péter gets ornery or I just get bored of playing him, he may get a little rebellious again. If you can't prove it, kill them all anyway!

:balloon:

[Privateerkev]

I don't think the bar fight told people anything they didn't already know, or at least expect. With the exception of the new players of course.

Also, it almost seemed therapeutic. Some characters were obviously itching to go at each other for awhile.

And Swabia's playing both sides right now. They voted in the edict thread but most of them have refrained from voting for Chancellor yet. Seems like they want to hedge their bets. :yes:

And if you check voting records, you'll see that Bavaria and Austria have been tight for quite some time.

[Ramses II CP]

Election conceded. I didn't honestly expect a two horse race, and with a long time player and Duke to oppose him Fritz's chances were a little slim. The important thing is I'm pretty sure Arnold isn't going to sideline Fritz as I was concerned some of his more vocal opponents might have. :2thumbsup:

The action outline looks good to me.

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

Adding up the numbers, you technically still have a chance.

Just not a big one.

[Ramses II CP]

Are you sure? Influence matters to Chanc elections right? I must've done something wrong.

:egypt:

[Privateerkev]

Are you sure? Influence matters to Chanc elections right? I must've done something wrong.

:egypt:

Or I did something wrong. It has certainly happened before.

Yeah, I always count the influence and elector vote and total it into what I call "voting power".

[Privateerkev]

Nevermind, the Swabians just made their decision. Numberwise, it is definitly over now.

When I first said something, Fritz still could have won if all of the 7 people who hadn't voted, voted for Fritz.

There is a voting power of 83.

42 gets you the Chancellorship.

At the time of our posts, Arnold had 41.

So, Fritz needed the 4 Swabians who hadn't voted, the 2 Franconians who hadn't voted, and Fredericus Erlach.

It looks like the Swabians have finally made their decision, so this race is over.

(as I mentioned earlier, most of the Swabians had voted for edicts but had conspicuously avoided the Chancellor poll. Hence my theory that they were "hedging their bets".)

[Ramses II CP]

I counted things the same way, I just gave someone one extra 'point' with 12 votes and had Arnold at 42 already. Works out the same. :)

:egypt:

[deguerra]

my apologies I have been so slow to vote. I am awaiting an somewhat urgent message. I suppose voting in the chancellorship race makes no real sense anymore now.

[Privateerkev]

my apologies I have been so slow to vote. I am awaiting an somewhat urgent message. I suppose voting in the chancellorship race makes no real sense anymore now.

It never hurts to be on record voting for the winner. ^_^

[deguerra]

which is exactly why I will choose to abstain now. I was somewhat undecided anyway, and voting Arnold now would seem insincere. Ludwig is honest, and not a suck-up :D

edit: the message I was has been read. seeing as there has not been a response, I will vote on the legislation now. sorry for the holdup

[Privateerkev]

sorry for the holdup

Seeing as there is still ample voting time left, you weren't holding up anything.

[econ21]

Does anyone have any issues with this order of things?...

No, that's exactly what I would do in your place.

[gibsonsg91921]

Haha, I'm glad Dieter von Kassel voted out of his house, and Tancred didn't bother to vote at all. Péter is experiencing growing pains.

[FactionHeir]

I uploaded a zip version of the fix after there have been requests.
Links is pretty much the same as the rar just a zip.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.zip

One thing to note though is that this is very slightly different from the rar version by a single word:
I fixed a tiny oversight where the Merchant's Guild Journeyman was still being displayed as Merchant's Guild Apprentice (this is in the export_VnVs.txt.strings.bin file). It seems that back when I created this trait (there was no Journeyman initially, only apprentice), I forgot to fix that particular part of the copy/paste process.

You however will not need to redownload this. It will not affect the game in any way except for the display of this particular trait level.

[gibsonsg91921]

Haha! Proof that WinZip is superior to WinRAR!

[Ramses II CP]

Just use something like 7zip and it doesn't matter. :p

:egypt: