Excommunication oddity

[Vildhavre]

This is a way to get excommunicated without any action of hostility at all.

Consider this:
You are a peaceloving french king minding your own royal business as the evil english declares war and invades and starts to lay siege to Flanders and Anjou. Fortunately both provinces have big castles and can withstand sieges for many years.

After 2 years the english cancel their siege of Anjou and withdraws. Now your garrison automaticly runs out and claim control of the province and because of this, the pope sends a warning.

3 years later, the english give up their siege of Flanders and withdraws. The relieved garrison runs out of the castle and BAM, you just got excommunicated by just sitting there. Wicked no?

[Krasturak]

Gah!

Krast hates politics!

Gah!

[mav3434]

I got another one. How about when the treacherous Pope just decides to invade Tuscany even though you are a good, Italian Catholic monarch who makes trade and not war, and then he excommunicates you for moving forces in to take it back, and he won't ever make peace with you, and then ruins the game because everybody else hates you now and won't be your friend and keeps invading you, so you take rome and keep him off in exile in the papal states to learn his lesson and he still won't stop calling in crusades on you and now you have to go home after work and just eliminate him because you are so tired of his papal bs.

... sorry, what were you saying?

[Chromebender]

Yeah and once you off the pope he'll come back every two years until the end of time at the head of a brand new army that springs up out of the waves like seaweed.

[barocca]

and not just an army of rabble, but an army that seems to always be one tech level ahead of your!
at least they are very low honour/valour
- oh yes, if you capture the pope on the battlefield - execute him!
and the next, ad infinitum.

If you hold Rome and the Papal states and are getting tired of beheading popes, simply wait for the next rebellion (one that includes rebels in the papal states),
burn everything in the papal states to the ground and abandon the province, 50/50 the army in rome will withdraw to the papal states, if not just execute the pope on the battlefield, and the "new" pope in the papal states will often be a little friendlier, although it will take him about five years to give up invading rome.
and another 5 for him to calm down enough to send an emissary to you!!

as for being excommunicated because invaders give up trying to starve out garrisons - that has been seen here - AND NEEDS FIXING!

[Kraxis]

Yeah, it sounds a little unfair. Wouldn't want to be in that position.

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[BertrandDuGuesclin]

In that case I would invade the papal states and kill him.

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[Dragon]

This is connected to the bug that changes ownership of the province the moment you lay siege to a castle.

So in fact, for the AI you ARE invading a province held by your enemy.

But this was confirmed as one of the points addressed in the patch IIRC.

[theNiceOne]

Vildhavre's story seems like a bug that will hopefully go away together with the bug that gives the besieging army the ownership.

mav3434's story about the treacherous pope however, is exactly as it should be. Even though you only try to retake your homeland, any smart pope should do what he can to win the war. The pope isn't morally right in excommunicating you, but he has the power to do so and will benefit from it.

[Vildhavre]

Yes ownershipchange on siege is the problem and hopefully this is a bug and not a "feature".

In my current game as HRE on expert, 3 catholic nations declared war on me quite early in the game. Upholding 3 fronts means that you often loose provinces only to take them back some time laters. As discussed above this almost surely leads to excommunication and crusades all over the place. As the AI never accepts my peace offers, the only thing i could do was to rush* the french and then to drive the italians out of italy and kill the pope. I admit this was a close and exciting struggle but it kinda ruined my game as I wanted to slowly expand the Holy(!) Roman Empire and mostly send crusades. Instead I ended up with a dead pope and 2 crushed factions. Most holy indeed...

*use mercenaries, they are just too strong in early campains.

[spmetla]

It sucks being the HRE when it comes to crusades th epope and other factions. Everyone picks on you .

I launched one crusade at Prussia took it. The polish attack me, i crush them, get excommunicated. Then I decide after 4 crusades in a row at me to take this mater in my own hands. 10 years late all of italy is under my control and the pope is just a really dedicated guy, or just play stuborn.
And I had big plans for crusadeing too.

ERRRR HATE THE POPE!!!



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[Paladin]

The Sicilians killed off the Pope and he never came back. Too bad because I could use the Pope back in the game to mess with the Sicilians. I guess the computer knows that and won't let the Pope come back until it suits itself.

Nice.

Real nice.