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Jagger
09-17-2002, 11:46
So does anyone watch the replays of their defeats?

I still have an Almohed campaign going on and just suffered a heavy defeat.

About a thousand of my troops commanded by a four star general in Serbia were attacked by about 1600 Turks. I felt it would be tough but I would probably win it.

The battle started off well. My arbelest, arquebuses and desert archers were in front of a wooded hill and causing heavy casualties on Turk troops that hesitated in front of my line. I was enjoying the carnage so much that I ignored Turk camel warriers and heavy cavalry moving to my left flank. I had two companies of Saharian Cavalry in a valley behind the hill protecting my left flank...but I didn't move them. I had three companies of camel warriers behind my right flank with nothing in front of them but I didn't move them to the left. The battle was going so well in front, I didn't worry about my flanks.

Then it was too late. A company of camel warriers was charging downhill vs my two companies of Saharian cavalry. I should have taken them easily but they were fighting uphill. My camel warriers on the right could have been shifted to the left. But no, I decide to do a flanking maneuver and move them forward and around my right to hit the Turks from behind. Did you know that camels are really very slow.

So my Saharan cavalry on the left was decimated because I didn't move them uphill. And on the right, my camel warriers are so slow that they arrived late. I had to commit them because my front line was started to crack under numbers. So I committed them at the nearest target and attempt to roll up the Turkish line. The nearest target was urban militia in woods fighting some nubian spearmen. I found out camel warriers are not only slow but can't fight in woods. Their attack from behind resulted in over half my three companies of camel warriers lost. It was just a pile of camels behind their urban militia.

I keep at it, but it was over. My mishandling of my cavalry lost the battle.

Although if I hadn't watched the replay, painful as it was, I wouldn't have learned some lessons.

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Jagger
09-17-2002, 11:52
Double post

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MajorPain
09-17-2002, 12:11
Ive done somthing like that too but my battle should have been alot easier.

My army about 1400 men, enemy armie about 400 men.

First i was chocked that they wanted to stay and defend, next thout was: This will be a walk in the park.

I had mostly pikemen and cavs, I send 8 cav, 4 on each flank. I let my footsoldiers moving forward. I put up my cavs nice and fit on each side of the enemy, and forget about my footsoldiers, when they got my intention some of them where already in fight some just stood there. they who were in fight lost heavily and the other took alot of missile damage.

I send in my standing units to help the other foot soldiers and rushed with my cav, but they were to far away so when they got to the battle all my footsoldier where either running or dead. And when my gen unit made an impact with the enemy he died immedatly wich made all my cav running. I lost the battle almost 900 dead and only about 150 heads taken.

After that I thout i would never ever underestimate the A.I. but ive already done that 2 more times losing a easy battle

BertrandDuGuesclin
09-17-2002, 12:15
I've had something like that happen to me too. I think the main factor is jst that the valour of the enemy troups is much higher than yours. Now I tend to use fewer but elite troups (good armour, weapons and valour). http://ecole.sables.free.fr/Personnage/Duguesclin/duguesclin6.jpg

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Tachikaze
09-19-2002, 05:47
I learn more from my failures than successes. I can more-easily identify why I lose than why I win.

Once in a while, I can see where I did a good move, when I did something I can be proud of. But most of the time, a win comes from a undecipherable combination of morale, fatigue, valor, troop match-ups, tactical advantages, and weather.

On the other hand, I can usually see where I screwed up with an embarrassing loss. I spread my forces too thin, left no reserves, didn't have enough variety in my army composition, charged archers into Nubian Spearmen (yes, I did that, though I somehow won that battle), etc.

Like I said in another thread, I don't usually pay close attention to unit stats; I think we can learn more through practical experience. I recommend watching the replays, losses as well (or more so) as wins. It's often surprising what you see the second time around.

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