What?

[Xehh II]

To make the Alliance lasting you have to make gifts to them. The best way to do this are tributes. Giving them small amounts (100 - 500 or whatever you can afford ) of money every turn make them stay friendly is working well.(money) to you too.
Am I the only person capable of getting lasting alliances without having to give money?
In my Pontos campaign, I started off as enemies with the Ptolemaioi but when the AS turned on me the Ptolemaioi immediately offered an alliance as well as 10000 mnai to help with the war, at the end of the war asia minor was divided between me and the Ptolemaioi it has been 40 years(160 turns) and they haven't turned on me yet.

[Rodion Romanovich]

I managed to remain allied to the Arverni (as Casse) by giving them map information regularly, and I also offered to go to war with their enemy (when I was going to war with them anyway). Still, they backstabbed me as soon as I captured every single province adjacent to any of their provinces... Lasted for some 30 years, which has got to be a record for me... I think the AI breaks all alliances with you if you get too powerful. As long as you have <10 provinces they can remain allies for quite long.

[Horst Nordfink]

I only have 2 provinces in my Parthia game, and those Greek so and so's break their alliances with me every other turn without provocation.

I just accept it. It gives me an excuse to kick their arses!

[Skandaz.Imperator]

I suffered a different fate in my Pontos campaign. I made seperate peace with the Ptolemaioi after about 5 years, and 2-3 years later AS broke their alliance and attacked me. I immediately established an alliance with the Ptolemaioi and we attacked AS from multiple fronts.

AS were quickly routed, I conquered Mazaka, Ipsos, Sardis and Antiocheia and Damaskus and Bostra were conquered by the Ptolemaioi. A stalemate in the war against AS followed, and when I moved my army towards Babylon, those backstabbing Ptolemaioi broke our alliance and lay siege Antiocheia. Right now, I'm speeding my army across Mesopotamia to relieve my besieged city.

Lesson to learn: Never trust the Ptolemaioi

[Horst Nordfink]

JUST NEVER TRUST GREEKS!!!

[antisocialmunky]

Strangely, the only faction I've ever trusted with an alliance is the Sauramatae as the Parthians and the Hai. They seem to like staying up north in their snowball country.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

The AI will keep an alliance if they don't want what you have. If you are in the line of their expansion they will betray you without a thought, but if they don't want your terrritories (or due to pathfinding can't get to your territories) then they will be your eternal friend.

[Publio Cornelio Escipión Africano Mayor]

JUST NEVER TRUST GREEKS!!!

The romans knew it, they said "Timeos danaos et dona ferentes"

:smash:

[NeoSpartan]

Am I the only person capable of getting lasting alliances without having to give money?
In my Pontos campaign, I started off as enemies with the Ptolemaioi but when the AS turned on me the Ptolemaioi immediately offered an alliance as well as 10000 mnai to help with the war, at the end of the war asia minor was divided between me and the Ptolemaioi it has been 40 years(160 turns) and they haven't turned on me yet.

I am currently trying that with the Lusotana, I don't know how long it will last right now the border me and they just conquered all of Iberia. It didn't quite work with the Getai but I was not giving them $$ when they attacked me.

[sanitarium]

Something I really hate, in my Roman campaign I'm engaged in a war with Macedonia right now, but we were allies for half a century. It was because of me that they weren't wiped out early on. They had two cities after about 15 years, Demetrias and Mytilene. The KH were besieging Demetrias, so it would have left them with one city. I sent an army to Greece and:

1. Destroyed the KH armies threatening to overrun their lands
2. Caputured Pella, Athens, and Corinth, giving them to Macedonia free of charge
3. Paid them 5000 mnai a turn for about 5 years to help them get back on their feet
4. Took Sparta and tried to give it to them as a gift (just as I had done with the other cities), but they rejected it saying "We have nothing to offer," and the KH eventually took it back from me since it had no garrison.

After I felt I'd left them with enough to get going, I returned my attention to Carthage. Wouldn't you know it, right around the time I was mopping up the remnants of Carthage, those damn Macedonians land an army on Crete and besiege Kydonia (I'd been using it to churn out archers).

The nerve of those ungrateful bastards. After I brought them back from the brink of annhilation, they stab me in the back. Every Macedonian city I take is getting exterminated, there will be no mercy. And I've noticed that in my 20-30 year abscence from the affairs of the east, they've taken quite a bit of land. Many thousands are going to die on the points of Roman blades.

[Reno Melitensis]

You are all very, very lucky. The Romanii, in my campaign of course where allied with many of the factions in EB. First it was the Karthadastim, then the Aedui, even is after almost 45 years we are at peace. The hellenon to, after given them a helping hand in poshing back Macedon, turned on me. I offered a truce, and in the very bad situation they where in they refused. Well in a very qiuck campaign Athens and Sparta are captured, with no more FM Rhodes became an Eleutheroi city. Macedon after losing some important cities accepted peace terms, but back then in circa 235 bc they allied with the karthadastim and attacked without warning my city of Ambrakia, which in a time span of over 40 years was captured once, given back after a ceasefire was agreed and besiged the next turn.

Now with the Karthadastim almost destroyed, the Swaboz migrated:sweatdrop: down the Alps causing havoc in northern Italia, and where defeated trough a huge sacrifice of money and man power. This all happened after they broke our alliance. The getai too have been crushed after a series of battles in roman hellas, and they have accepted a truce after breaking it many times. The last to emulate them where the lusutannians, but for now no major battle had taken place.

The only allies I have are the Hay, and maybe because right now they are not my neighbours.

Cheers.

[marodeur]

My impression: if you are getting strongest nation (militarily or in the number of teritories you posses) all your former allies - which you can keep by giving them little incentives like a bit of money, map info, sometimes a province you don't need / want at the moment) - will collaborate against you at least at the very mloment you share a common border with them. They will stop fighting with other enemys of you and ally against you. :furious3: Makes the game more difficult - but also completely unrealistic and ahistorical. :thumbsdown: Only help - afik - forced diplomacy mod.:2thumbsup:

[Hooahguy]

in RTW i had an alliance with egypt for over 70 years before they turned on me...... it seems to me that if you stand in their way, as stated previously they turn on you.