View Full Version : How sexually promiscous are you ?
Ok so in simple words...
Men: How many women have you slept with ?
Women: How many men have you slept with ?
Unfortunately if you're gay it does'nt really count towards this particular poll because we ALL know how easy it is to get laid if you're gay ! .... Right ?
Anyway if you're gay or bi feel free to vote, no prejudice here on my part. Just that IMO it's not really a skill to get laid if you're gay you can walk into a gay bar right now and in 1 minute get a partner, probably the whole bar actually! w00t! MAD Skillz! YEAH! Ahem...
There are a few things that provoked this questionnaire.
A. Because since I broke up with my ex like 2 years ago, I have been absolutely APEMAN. I've never had so much fun. Basically because of all the issues in that relationship something snapped in me, and I decided I'm going to be HAPPY, and I'm going to ENJOY women as much as I freakin want to!. Because I LOVE women so why drain my bleedin brain over one bombshell over another.
B. Past 4-5 days I've been ignoring my phone. Don't you LOVE it when you pop a little freaky SMS to some chick while you're getting your butt handed to you on a silver platter in Call of Duty 4 (Multiplayer OFC), and you think GOOOOODDDAAAMMMMMIIIiiiiiiIIIIIIIITTTTT !!!! NOT AGAIN !! So you think about something else... (while you get fragged AGAIN!!!!???!!) .... you think of this random chick and pop her a naughty naughty SMS... think "When you get into bed tonight.... " and she starts calling you BACK !!!, then she sends a horny SMS which reads like some lust demon wrote the thing, you ignore, then she CALLS YOU BACK !!!, you ignore, 10 minutes later she calls you back !!! 1 hour later she calls you back !!! WHAT ??? YEAH !!! Only problem is I'm ignoring because I WANNA GAAAME ON !!! So anyway, I figured this gaming is REALLY bad, bad, bad bad, evil!, OMG! This is worse for my sex life than frekkking cigarettes & alchohol! ...and as of tomorrow I'm gonna GO OUT AT NIGHT instead of gaming & all those cuties out on Tuesday night are going to see a BAD BAD BOY !!! Dammit !
C. I've met a lot of gamers and I can pretty much say that I didn't meet many who slept with more than 3-5 women tops.
D. Then there's the intellectual types, myself included from past experience, we don't often get out much coz we're busy reading all the time, PLUS we're SO HIGH IN THE SKY that NORMAL babes can't even dream of communicating with us on our level, PLUS we get so darn serious about everything it's hard for us to have a good laugh about anything, so yeah when we get laid, it's LUCKY!
I am not implying that having few sexual partners is bad, IMHO it's good in many ways actually. For one thing get married and you never have to go out looking for a babe, or so the theory goes.
Just trying to get an idea of if there is a corelation between the gaming and having fewer sexual partners.
This would make us all the more attractive for potential mates!
BTW this is an annonymous vote, so people can't see what you voted.
RoadKill
12-17-2007, 23:08
Hmmm.. I wonder who vote for 100-300 or more?
Blodrast
12-17-2007, 23:09
Sheesh, don't be subtle about it, Sinan!
Do we, uhm, need to prove our claims with pictures ? :sweatdrop:
ShadesPanther
12-17-2007, 23:12
Sheesh, don't be subtle about it, Sinan!
Do we, uhm, need to prove our claims with pictures ? :sweatdrop:
Pictures can be photoshopped.
Videos only.
:laugh4:
Mikeus Caesar
12-17-2007, 23:15
Only 1. I left the country just as that part of my life was getting interesting.
ICantSpellDawg
12-17-2007, 23:16
i clicked 1-3 because i've had 3
others may click 3-10 if they've had 3
you will get messed up results
LOL ! That's the spirit Panther ! TuffStuff that's a good point.
Well what I meant was 1 to 3, then 3 to 10. If you slept with 3 it would be 1-3, as 3 is the upper limit.
BTW just for you serious types, the original post is a semi rant, so don't take it over the top serious. No offence intended obviously!.
1
not by choice :shame:
i just have zero ability in talking to girls
Edit: actually I´m not sure if my total is 1 or zero...
Clinton would say it´s zero...if you catch my drift :P
"I will say this one more time...I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"
Vladimir
12-17-2007, 23:22
BTW just for you serious types, the original post is a semi rant, so don't take it over the top serious. No offence intended obviously!
I was going to say, something SERIOUS snapped.
*bow chicki bow wow*
Hmmm.. I wonder who vote for 100-300 or more?
Beirut or BKS, I'm sure.
I should have included an option for 0. Crud!
Well anyway if you've never had sex (gay, bi or whatever) & you're not shy about it, just post away. That's another biggie when you're a teenager, it's like you just HAVE to have sex, which is utter BS ofc. It forces you to have your first time with just any babe. I think I was pretty lucky though, my 1st was smoking hot AND smart too. So smart she trapped me for years! I finally got away, though in all fairness, I really had a lot of fun with her, for which I'm very grateful.
LOL Vlad !
KukriKhan
12-17-2007, 23:45
I should have included an option for 0. Crud!
Gotcha covered.
Wow, great. Thank you very much.
Mouzafphaerre
12-17-2007, 23:58
.
Do virtual partners count? :idea:
OK, so you want an honest answer? You won't get it. :shame:
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woad&fangs
12-18-2007, 00:00
0
..
seireikhaan
12-18-2007, 00:04
Zero. I've got more important things to do in high school.
Among other reasons...
1
not by choice :shame:
i just have zero ability in talking to girls
Edit: actually I´m not sure if my total is 1 or zero...
Clinton would say it´s zero...if you catch my drift :P
"I will say this one more time...I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"
Was she wearing a pizza delivery uniform and carrying cigars? ~:smoking:
I went with the first option.
I've had a couple.
ajaxfetish
12-18-2007, 00:31
None for me so far, and I plan to keep it that way until I'm married.
Ajax
Wasn't gonna vote, but then I saw the poll was anonymous. That's okay, then.
Yeah it's an annonymous vote. I'll add that to the first post.
LittleGrizzly
12-18-2007, 00:59
im in the 1-3 category which at the age of 21 just isn't good (btw im on 1) mainly down to confidence and talking to girls, hoping to overcome this at some point in my twenties and make up it for it by being overly promiscous in my thirties
Wasn't gonna vote, but then I saw the poll was anonymous. That's okay, then.
Immediately calling BS because the 100-300 and up wasn't selected yet.
I'm not sure where I am. I'll have to think about it a bit, I was looking at my phone today and there are many numbers which I don't even remember who those girls are. I am 34. I expected that I'd be less horny as I grow older but I'm not. To the contrary, I'm now more motivated, energetic (when I'm not gaming) and most importantly, much more concious of my sex drive. I'm now fully aware that women are a very important (note: plural) part of my life. They are just too good to pass by, I cannot live with myself if I see a beautiful woman and not approach her immediately. I'm never, ever going back to being that guy who sees a damm hot babe and can't just walk up and make a move. Most of the time I did it because I was already with one woman, but also because I just didn't realise what the hell I'm doing. I also didn't realise that I was really lucky since I got a LOAD of attention from women. Whereas before I just "let it happen", I'm now much more conciously on the hunt, without any expectations. It makes a big difference, and it's been a great journey.
From my experience, for males the saying is true: use it or lose it.
DemonArchangel
12-18-2007, 02:20
I intend on having sex with no less than 100 women in my lifetime. I'm halfway there.
Zero ~D
Nothing new so I chose text size 7(12 is normal, isn't it? ~;) ).
I think it's because I'm ugly and stupid.
Boyar Son
12-18-2007, 02:41
Use it or lose it.
and NEVER with the sluts...
IrishArmenian
12-18-2007, 03:31
Now hitched to number seven. That makes seven for you brain donors out there--I salute your sacrifice.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
12-18-2007, 04:55
Zero. Yes, I do have a girlfriend, but we both want to wait. Plenty of reasons, I'm sure you can think of some, at least. We both want it to be with each other, but there's just reasons not to.
EDIT: I have slept with her, just never had sex with her.
IrishArmenian
12-18-2007, 05:08
Maniac, what does that mean?
seireikhaan
12-18-2007, 05:49
I assumed he meant that they had slept in the same bed together, but not had sex.
I think he means it literally, as in they have slept in the same bed. People do that sometimes.
I estimate my pre-marital activities as somewhere in the high twenties or low thirties. I'd have to really think about it; I never made any effort to quantify these things. I guess that number could move higher, but probably no lower. Best to be conservative with sexual estimates, right?
ICLADOLLABOJADALLA! He means he's been to bed with her literally and not had sex with her.
That's remarkable, noble even.
Wish I was that lucky, never slept with a woman I wasn't attracted to. Actually there was one, we went out, got drunk, she started hitting on me. I told her I was not attracted to her (what a n00b I was). She got up ON the bar dancing and started to ask guys out loud if anyone thinks she's sexy. She complained to everyone that I won't screw her coz I'm not attracted to her LOOOOL!. Just TRY to picture the look on my face when she did this! BUAHAHA! Needless to say this was working absolute miracles in the panties of all the young hotties in the bar, I had a freakin stunning awesome entourage in 2 minutes, such is the beauty of female psychology. Obviously almost all the guys went ape and she got tons of attention. Anyhow after this truly amazing relvelation on how sore a woman can get just coz you won't screw her, we went back to my place. Rather she escorted me back and pushed herself in through the door. Too drunk to do anything about it I just walked in and collapsed on my bed. We woke up and had sex ANYWAY, Great! so much for not saying no to drugs! never waste a morning boner! Those are counted, you only get one of those a day.
Obviously if I'm attracted to her, then it's happening. If not she's most welcome to sleep on the couch. I prefer to sleep alone anyway :P I used to real sweet like that too, I'd let women sleep over (on my couch!), but after a (very long) while I started to realise the whole friends thing is just not working for me. What was happening was that girls would think I'm not interested in them, that's why they literally have to beg for sex. Ofc I was interested but was just too much of a gentleman to realise when to switch off my Dalai Lama syndrome.
Lemur I think it depends on the company you're in. Most guys don't feel comfortable talking about how many when in the company of other women, maybe because they imagine women would'nt like it. I used to think that too, but obviously most women don't think badly of it. Seems to be a plus, you're more experienced, if other women want you or have you then they figure you must be something worth having. In some cultures women expect you to have experience before you approach them. They use it as a qualifier "How many girls have you had ? I like experienced men."
It's interesting to note that gay men behave the same way, if they see a hetro guy with a woman or a gay couple who's in deep emotionally, they immediately fire up.
HoreTore
12-18-2007, 08:16
Voted 3-10. But hey, I'm 21 and I've been with the same chick for nearly 3 years...
But then... I actually have no idea how many partners I've had. There's alcohol involved, and that leads to memory loss. I know of 5 definite ones(of which 3 were long term), others may or not have been a score... Might have ended with sleeping by myself, might have stopped with just a Clinton...
Oh, and then there is this Norwegian celebration, called the "Russetid". 3 weeks of drunkness, drunk driving and drunk sexing... Outside too, so I usually wandered off and got lost away from my friends, usually waking up in a ditch somewhere. Oh, and one time I woke up in my own bed with a big black hole of nothing in my head. Then I got up, and noticed quite a few long, black hairs on my wee-wee(and I'm blond and short)... Did something happen there? No idea, the only obervation of me after 23-ish was a friend who saw me tumbling around on a parking lot around 0200, falling over every few steps...
EDIT: Actually, that's 5 definite scores, plus 2 definite Clintons.
Good story !
I guess that's a bit like they do in Denmark as well. That is WILD, last time I was in Copenhagen there were full army trucks of girls in nothing but bras and underwears taunting everyone, rubbing their butts right in your face. Incredible ! That was hot. The guy I was with, who is a Dane was laughing at my reaction, I was like YESSSSSSS! I've been googling for some vids to post but did'nt find any good ones.
That's remarkable, noble even.
I agree. Kudos to the fellas that are deliberately holding out- between hormones and peer pressure, it aint easy. :bow:
PanzerJaeger
12-18-2007, 10:15
Take the numbers for each option and move them all up one notch except the zero, which stays in place. All the 1-3's move down to zero.
Now you have somewhat accurate numbers. :yes:
Lemur I think it depends on the company you're in. Most guys don't feel comfortable talking about how many when in the company of other women
Discretion is the better part of valour. Bad taste to discus sexual partners imho. Hate having to sit through a conversation about sex especially if it is between women.
FactionHeir
12-18-2007, 11:49
0 and not sure what to think of it ~:)
There are a few things that provoked this questionnaire.
A. Because since I broke up with my ex like 2 years ago, I have been absolutely APEMAN. I've never had so much fun. Basically because of all the issues in that relationship something snapped in me, and I decided I'm going to be HAPPY, and I'm going to ENJOY women as much as I freakin want to!. Because I LOVE women so why drain my bleedin brain over one bombshell over another.
C. I've met a lot of gamers and I can pretty much say that I didn't meet many who slept with more than 3-5 women tops.
D. Then there's the intellectual types, myself included from past experience, we don't often get out much coz we're busy reading all the time, PLUS we're SO HIGH IN THE SKY that NORMAL babes can't even dream of communicating with us on our level, PLUS we get so darn serious about everything it's hard for us to have a good laugh about anything, so yeah when we get laid, it's LUCKY!
A. same thing happened to me, which is why i hit 18 before meeting my current girlfriend of several years.
C. i game a fair bit; hour and a half a night on average.
D. i spend way way too much time reading.
macsen rufus
12-18-2007, 14:34
Okay, so I'm refreshingly average. Ran out of fingers but didn't need to take both socks off :laugh4:
The usual mixed bag of one night stands, long-term committed relationships, just-friends-but-we're-feeling-lonely, extra-marital affairs etc etc, interspersed with long bouts of celibacy when I get fed up of it all :clown:
One benefit of getting older is your hormones hassle you a lot less :2thumbsup:
I just want to know who the two gentlemen are who cracked over a 100 clams, and how close they are to the 300 scale. Seems like we have two real predators here, common don't be shy, naturally you aren't so WHO are you? :yes:
macsen rufus
12-18-2007, 14:56
Surely, Fragony, I expected you'd be asking who's the other one :laugh4:
How sexually promiscous am I ?
As much as possible every living day. :sunny::canada:
Surely, Fragony, I expected you'd be asking who's the other one :laugh4:
Ohhh, question was in your life, thought he meant since the last time you logged on :clown:
macsen rufus
12-18-2007, 15:11
Ohhh, question was in your life, thought he meant since the last time you logged on
:laugh4: :laugh4: Touche!
Some where whores though which didnt take any effort. Also I am assuming this means oral sexual encounters as well? I voted based on that assumption so my number is elevated to include those as well.
ICantSpellDawg
12-18-2007, 16:50
Zero. Yes, I do have a girlfriend, but we both want to wait. Plenty of reasons, I'm sure you can think of some, at least. We both want it to be with each other, but there's just reasons not to.
EDIT: I have slept with her, just never had sex with her.
"We've done 'it' as in 'gone to see Transformers', i've just never had sex with her."
Also, sex is wildly overrated. It is awesome, but it is way better to date one girl and watch tons of porn when she's not around. It get's you prepared to be a husband and father.
My best man probably breaks your poll. We stopped counting his 'conquests' around the 150 mark and that was several years ago. I would estimate that he's close to breaking the 300 mark now, and he's only 28 years old. How does that happen, I hear you ask? Here's how it happens:
1) Lives in NYC.
2) Goes out to bars, clubs, and restaurants very regularly.
3) Has a British accent.
4) Dresses extremely well.
5) Is handsome.
6) Is a very successful investment banker.
7) Owns 2 apartments in NYC and drives a Porche.
8) Spends money like it's going out of style.
He's a great guy, as good a friend as a man could ask for, just don't let him date your sister.
We got one of those at well, true chick magnet. We love him but when you go out with him you know you are second choice. The funny thing is, all he wants is his rather plainlooking but incredibly nice and funny girlfriend, the only one he has ever been with as far as I know, he wouldn't apreciate it if I asked. We are rather discrete, never talk about sex with my firends. At party's someone gets the bug and everyone pretends they didn't notice.
Also I am assuming this means oral sexual encounters as well?
That's a good question, and would change my category/count as well.
@ Tincow - That's... impressive, and scary. Wonder how many STD's he's racked up??
@ Tincow - That's... impressive, and scary. Wonder how many STD's he's racked up??
AFAIK, none, which is a miracle given his inconsistent use of condoms. I've talked to him multiple times about getting checkups, and he seems to do so every six months or so, but either he's really lucky or he's lying to me. Knowing him as well as I do, I doubt the latter. To be fair, as odd as it may sound, he doesn't tend to pick up 'tramps' or the type of women you would usually expect to transmit STDs. They all tend to be smart or talented in some manner, such as business executives or Russian ballerinas (well, ballerina singular, AFAIK). I am certainly stereotyping here, but it seems to me that they are probably a safer bet on the health issues than more 'trashy' pick-ups. Even so, it's a veritable miracle that he's clean.
AThey all tend to be smart or talented in some manner, such as business executives or Russian ballerinas (well, ballerina singular, AFAIK).
Ah, ballerinas (http://www.break.com/index/ballerinas-equal-perfect-girlfriends.html) ...
Zero, unfortunatly. :shame: Being the *insert age* (26 currently) yearold virgin is really starting to bother me.
0. I never really talk to girls, which cannot be considered as anything else than step 0.5; at least considering that I am hetero. ~;)
Innocentius
12-18-2007, 19:51
Still at zero. I think I must be hideously ugly, since I'm intelligent, funny, not very shy* and party quite a lot (with girls).
...Or maybe it's because I'm never serious, don't care about anything, a total bastard and insult everyone around me?
*There's a difference between being asocial and shy. I can talk to people and even be nice if I force myself to, I just don't want to.
Whoo...
how many at zero here..
...Or maybe it's because I'm never serious, don't care about anything, a total bastard and insult everyone around me?
Well, not.
Zero, unfortunatly. :shame: Being the *insert age* (26 currently) yearold virgin is really starting to bother me.
Just don't take it all that seriously, it's just fun.
@ TinCow... The poll has an option 300 or more, so he can fit in, anyone can. I have seen some guys, specially since I joined a movement for improving your lifestyle and hence success with women, who rank above 150. They pick up women absolutely anywhere. They go out and they get laid (speaking of which I AM LEAVING MY PC FOR THE NIGHT AFTER THIS POST!!!!). Money, looks, success are important but they are NOT essential. There are so many examples of hot, rich women dating absolutely average guys.
You do not have to have material possessions in order to be very successful with women. There is a lot of hope for us normal average guys.
It's motivating for me to post this as it helps me see myself, and encourages me. Hope that some guys can benefit from it, and motivates some of you too. We men we are brothazzz!!!
This morning, after gaming the whole night again, w000tles!!!! GREAT way to start a day, all zombie like. I decided to get some breakfast from the local supermarket, they make great roast chicken nice and fresh, delicious potato an vegetable bake. I walk in out of the -4C cold outside, happy as a parrot in love! whistling & singing the song "Du Hast Den Schönsten Arsch Der Welt" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZszKQOvHwE&feature=related) (<-link) "You have the best ass in the world" in German, that stuff is MONEY!. Anyway I had it in the back of my mnd that I wanna go out tonight with a hot babe! so my eagle eyes radar was on! I was happy, because I spent yet another night gaming ! NOOOO! Dangnabitty!. I was disturbed that I did, but I was happy anyway, had this great vibe going. I walk in almost every single woman is giving me approach invitations, look at me baby ! come here ! I did'nt shower since yesterday, was wearing dirty nike trackpants, red Fruit of the Loom hoodie, no t-shirt undeneath (HOLY shizzle it was COLD!), hair was a mess, hadn't brushed my teeth yet this morning (at that time), my nike sneakers which I use to go running and gym in, didn't shave in 3 days, wearing a cheap black fleece jacket which I got as a 'gift' from a bank I worked for. Think porcupine. I'm smelling like GOLD! I'm feeling like gold ! Almost done with my food, I see this blonde on the phone looking at the shelves, with what looks like some lunch in her basket. She looks cold, her cheeks are red & flushed. Good sign of vitality ! I think wow ! THIS is it! I'm IN! Hang on, she's on the phone... I ignore, go about my business. Finish packing my basket with loads of gaming food (Hey I can game this afternoon... ohhhhh noooezz! where's my medication) and head to the counter. Then I think WAIT !!! get her number ! I look eagle eyes but looking totally careless, there she is walking up to pay. YIPPEEE YAY!!!! fine blonde, fit, wearing all designer clothes, obviously well off, about 30, successful, intelligent looking office girl. I'm looking at her, OH oh ! I look away before she knows I noticed her. What's her name ??? BANG! I call her HotBabe OfficeGirl ! I'm thinking how delicious the icing on our wedding cake will be !!! We're getting married and I get to kiss the bride !!! (lol) I'm PUMPING to GO ! 2 seconds to mission launch. Here we go troops! LOCK & LOAD ! We rolling !!! Whoops did I say 2 seconds ? HELL 2 seconds are gone kinda fast... WE ROLLING NOW !
Me: Du hast der .... singing you have the best ass in the world (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZszKQOvHwE&feature=related)....
Hot Babe OfficeGirl: Looking at me, puts phone in her pocket.
Me: Dei dan da da dei dan da !!!
HBOfficeGirl: Smiling !!!
Me: Dei dan da da dei dan da !!! ... Du Hast Den Schönsten Arsch Der Welt ... this song is AWESOME ! I LOVE it !
HBOfficeGirl: hahahhaha (cracks up)
Me: Hey don't they say GOOD MORNING in your country ???!!!!
(i'm vibing, voice projection all the way, everyone in the supermarket can hear me, I'm smiling playfully)
HBOfficeGirl: hahahahhahahehehhahhaha Totally cracking herself up. HBOfficeGirl: Well GOOOOOD MORNING! (whole supermarket can hear her, she's voice projecting back to me! we got our thing going!!!)
Me: (This is the moment that it hits me hard. My heart steps up a few beats, blood is rushing to my face and throughout my body. I'm primed for action. In that moment I'm becoming intoxicated by her beauty. With her eyes, her hair, her smell she's pulling me to her. I'm getting attracted to her big time. HELP! Does anyone know how to say CRUD! I hear a LOUD voce in my head saying CRUD!!!! WAKE UP !!!. I snap! Pheeew that was close, almost lost it to my emotions there.)
Me: (immediate recovery! HOOAAAH!) blabalalalalablabla UTTER NONSENSE about how I'm an underwear model for Bjorn Borg and I love how this chick in that song is singing about my ass !.... (I move my ass in a slow and controlled circular thrust).... blabllaaablaaahhh
Her: Laughing her Arsche OFF! (looking at my ass!)
Me: thinking (there is probably nothing more beautiful than seeing a woman happy and to hear her laugh. It is the best thing in the world!)
Her: BLOWS OPEN like a stunning white orchid in sunlight... it's ok ! I have a job I like. I work just around the corner for this shipping company... blahblaaaablablaba...
Me: blaaaaablababla... Oh you ship all the stuff for this supermarket ? No wonder they never have food on their shelves (lol!)
Her: giggles, we ship everything pretty much, including some *her phone rings, methinks (PLEASE Lord don't, don't do this to me !) I look at her as if I'm leaving if she answers it, I start turning away, she hits the ignore button & it goes to voicemail!!!* *she touches me on the arm! I turn slightly lookin over my shoulder, touch her back hold for a second and then push her hand off my arm*... we ship some... *pause* ...food items as well. (giving me hot eyes, oh oh the blood is flowing DOWNARDS! ouch ! this could get embarassing, I'm wearing track pants!)
Me: (Damm don'think about sex you F00L! WOW! she's telling ME about HER job like she's qualifying herself... daaaaaammmm babe you're so done! oopsy... I'm thinking about sex... !)
Me: Hey you're fun AND you seem serious ALSO. I like that. (clear statement of interest time to pay her back for being a good girl)
(FECK! Something bad happens.... I almost say she's beautiful AAARRRGGG Don't do it ! Thankfully I shut my mouth before saying that utter n00b line, imagine how many times a day she gets told she's beautiful.)
Her: *blushes* Really ? nobody says that, people find me very quiet.
Me: (now I KNOW I'm IN !!! I'm like freaking out inside)
Me: Yeah really ! I had fun talking to you... you're confident & talkative... but I'm still hoping to see some food here next time otherwise I know who to blame!. (smiling playfully)
Her: laughs !
Me: *paid, packing my stuff almost leaving*
Her: Smiling, moving a little left & right. She's a little nervous. She's looking at my fleece 'jacket' (if it's a jacket it's supposed to keep you warm right ?) it's got the name of the bank I used to work for.
Me: Yeah got it at a bank party... was a great place to work... So how's your day looking ?
Her: Pretty good, not expecting too much work in the late afternoon. Should be off at a reasonable time. Will still have to east at my desk for lunch though. Got a few ... blaaaaaaahhblah blahhhh (babe who cares about all that ?)
Me: I know this winebar I think you'd like called ------, I'm going there for a little winetasting & snacks tonight around 21:00.
Her: Hey I know that place, never been there but heard it's great.
Me: *hand her my phone* HTC TYTN (the real deal bros!!!)
She: *looks at it like huh ?*
She: Wow what's that ? is that a phone ?!?
Me: UTTER STUPIDITY... about how it's actually from the Matrix and Neo gave it to me as a present... blabablablaaahh... *Cashier is looking at her and smiling*
Her: HAHAHAHHAHAHA !
Me: *show her how to input her name, I move close, body contact, she stays and doesn't move away, she leans into me* (HOLY SMOKING SALMON!!!) I delete her name to make her do it again & to give her that feeling like she might still lose me.
Me: Give me your number, I'll call you around 20:30.
Her: *types in her name again & number*
Me: Great ! Talk to you later... was nice meeting ya (OMG really did say that, wha a KKKnob!) *winks*
5 minutes later I SMS her (making sure she gave me her real number & to demonstrate that I'm no slacker): "So this is one of those phonesex lines eh ???" (one's where you pay like 2 Euro a minute to hear some chick moan, UTTER RIPOFF!). She immediately answers back before I can put the phone in my pocket. BASHI BAZOOOKS ! My hands are freezin! I fumble with the phone... This is weather for PINGUINS!!! ... she answers "HAHA! no way ! it's me ! HBOfficeGirl. Is it 20:30 yet ?" I answer back "Wow! SO straightforward ! ;)" she: "Yeah, like you! ;)"
wwwwwwhhhaaaattt ???!!! silly girl! :smash:
I think of my Dad, he'd be so proud of me. I LOVE you Dad, for many things, but for teaching me that as a man it's my responsibility to take initiative, I really love you.
Anyway I'm outta here, no gaming for me tonight! OHHHHH NOOOOO !!!! I wanna play but I AM forcing myself to SHUT DOWN my machine..... NOW!
Evil_Maniac From Mars
12-18-2007, 20:29
I think he means it literally, as in they have slept in the same bed. People do that sometimes.
Yes, I do mean it that way.
"We've done 'it' as in 'gone to see a Transformers', i've just never had sex with her."
My turn to ask what you mean by that. :inquisitive:
Also, sex is wildly overrated. It is awesome, but it is way better to date one girl and watch tons of porn when she's not around. It get's you prepared to be a husband and father.
Lets just say I agree with that, and not go into any details, shall we?
I'm not sure if she knows I visit this site or not. :laugh4:
Innocentius
12-18-2007, 20:51
It's motivating for me to post this as it helps me see myself, and encourages me. Hope that some guys can benefit from it, and motivates some of you too. We men we are brothazzz!!!
This morning, after gaming the whole night again, w000tles!!!! GREAT way to start a day, all zombie like. I decided to get some breakfast from the local supermarket, they make great roast chicken nice and fresh, delicious potato an vegetable bake. I walk in out of the -4C cold outside, happy as a parrot in love! whistling & singing the song "Du Hast Den Schönsten Arsch Der Welt" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZszKQOvHwE&feature=related) (<-link) "You have the best ass in the world" in German, that stuff is MONEY!. Anyway I had it in the back of my mnd that I wanna go out tonight with a hot babe! so my eagle eyes radar was on! I was happy, because I spent yet another night gaming ! NOOOO! Dangnabitty!. I was disturbed that I did, but I was happy anyway, had this great vibe going. I walk in almost every single woman is giving me approach invitations, look at me baby ! come here ! I did'nt shower since yesterday, was wearing dirty nike trackpants, red Fruit of the Loom hoodie, no t-shirt undeneath (HOLY shizzle it was COLD!), hair was a mess, hadn't brushed my teeth yet this morning (at that time), my nike sneakers which I use to go running and gym in, didn't shave in 3 days, wearing a cheap black fleece jacket which I got as a 'gift' from a bank I worked for. Think porcupine. I'm smelling like GOLD! I'm feeling like gold ! Almost done with my food, I see this blonde on the phone looking at the shelves, with what looks like some lunch in her basket. She looks cold, her cheeks are red & flushed. Good sign of vitality ! I think wow ! THIS is it! I'm IN! Hang on, she's on the phone... I ignore, go about my business. Finish packing my basket with loads of gaming food (Hey I can game this afternoon... ohhhhh noooezz! where's my medication) and head to the counter. Then I think WAIT !!! get her number ! I look eagle eyes but looking totally careless, there she is walking up to pay. YIPPEEE YAY!!!! fine blonde, fit, wearing all designer clothes, obviously well off, about 30, successful, intelligent looking office girl. I'm looking at her, OH oh ! I look away before she knows I noticed her. What's her name ??? BANG! I call her HotBabe OfficeGirl ! I'm thinking how delicious the icing on our wedding cake will be !!! We're getting married and I get to kiss the bride !!! (lol) I'm PUMPING to GO ! 2 seconds to mission launch. Here we go troops! LOCK & LOAD ! We rolling !!! Whoops did I say 2 seconds ? HELL 2 seconds are gone kinda fast... WE ROLLING NOW !
Me: Du hast der .... singing you have the best ass in the world (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZszKQOvHwE&feature=related)....
Hot Babe OfficeGirl: Looking at me, puts phone in her pocket.
Me: Dei dan da da dei dan da !!!
HBOfficeGirl: Smiling !!!
Me: Dei dan da da dei dan da !!! ... Du Hast Den Schönsten Arsch Der Welt ... this song is AWESOME ! I LOVE it !
HBOfficeGirl: hahahhaha (cracks up)
Me: Hey don't they say GOOD MORNING in your country ???!!!!
(i'm vibing, voice projection all the way, everyone in the supermarket can hear me, I'm smiling playfully)
HBOfficeGirl: hahahahhahahehehhahhaha Totally cracking herself up. HBOfficeGirl: Well GOOOOOD MORNING! (whole supermarket can hear her, she's voice projecting back to me! we got our thing going!!!)
Me: (This is the moment that it hits me hard. My heart steps up a few beats, blood is rushing to my face and throughout my body. I'm primed for action. In that moment I'm becoming intoxicated by her beauty. With her eyes, her hair, her smell she's pulling me to her. I'm getting attracted to her big time. HELP! Does anyone know how to say CRUD! I hear a LOUD voce in my head saying CRUD!!!! WAKE UP !!!. I snap! Pheeew that was close, almost lost it to my emotions there.)
Me: (immediate recovery! HOOAAAH!) blabalalalalablabla UTTER NONSENSE about how I'm an underwear model for Bjorn Borg and I love how this chick in that song is singing about my ass !.... (I move my ass in a slow and controlled circular thrust).... blabllaaablaaahhh
Her: Laughing her Arsche OFF! (looking at my ass!)
Me: thinking (there is probably nothing more beautiful than seeing a woman happy and to hear her laugh. It is the best thing in the world!)
Her: BLOWS OPEN like a stunning white orchid in sunlight... it's ok ! I have a job I like. I work just around the corner for this shipping company... blahblaaaablablaba...
Me: blaaaaablababla... Oh you ship all the stuff for this supermarket ? No wonder they never have food on their shelves (lol!)
Her: giggles, we ship everything pretty much, including some *her phone rings, methinks (PLEASE Lord don't, don't do this to me !) I look at her as if I'm leaving if she answers it, I start turning away, she hits the ignore button & it goes to voicemail!!!* *she touches me on the arm! I turn slightly lookin over my shoulder, touch her back hold for a second and then push her hand off my arm*... we ship some... *pause* ...food items as well. (giving me hot eyes, oh oh the blood is flowing DOWNARDS! ouch ! this could get embarassing, I'm wearing track pants!)
Me: (Damm don'think about sex you F00L! WOW! she's telling ME about HER job like she's qualifying herself... daaaaaammmm babe you're so done! oopsy... I'm thinking about sex... !)
Me: Hey you're fun AND you seem serious ALSO. I like that. (clear statement of interest time to pay her back for being a good girl)
(FECK! Something bad happens.... I almost say she's beautiful AAARRRGGG Don't do it ! Thankfully I shut my mouth before saying that utter n00b line, imagine how many times a day she gets told she's beautiful.)
Her: *blushes* Really ? nobody says that, people find me very quiet.
Me: (now I KNOW I'm IN !!! I'm like freaking out inside)
Me: Yeah really ! I had fun talking to you... you're confident & talkative... but I'm still hoping to see some food here next time otherwise I know who to blame!. (smiling playfully)
Her: laughs !
Me: *paid, packing my stuff almost leaving*
Her: Smiling, moving a little left & right. She's a little nervous. She's looking at my fleece 'jacket' (if it's a jacket it's supposed to keep you warm right ?) it's got the name of the bank I used to work for.
Me: Yeah got it at a bank party... was a great place to work... So how's your day looking ?
Her: Pretty good, not expecting too much work in the late afternoon. Should be off at a reasonable time. Will still have to east at my desk for lunch though. Got a few ... blaaaaaaahhblah blahhhh (babe who cares about all that ?)
Me: I know this winebar I think you'd like called ------, I'm going there for a little winetasting & snacks tonight around 21:00.
Her: Hey I know that place, never been there but heard it's great.
Me: *hand her my phone* HTC TYTN (the real deal bros!!!)
She: *looks at it like huh ?*
She: Wow what's that ? is that a phone ?!?
Me: UTTER STUPIDITY... about how it's actually from the Matrix and Neo gave it to me as a present... blabablablaaahh... *Cashier is looking at her and smiling*
Her: HAHAHAHHAHAHA !
Me: *show her how to input her name, I move close, body contact, she stays and doesn't move away, she leans into me* (HOLY SMOKING SALMON!!!) I delete her name to make her do it again & to give her that feeling like she might still lose me.
Me: Give me your number, I'll call you around 20:30.
Her: *types in her name again & number*
Me: Great ! Talk to you later... was nice meeting ya (OMG really did say that, wha a KKKnob!) *winks*
5 minutes later I SMS her (making sure she gave me her real number & to demonstrate that I'm no slacker): "So this is one of those phonesex lines eh ???" (one's where you pay like 2 Euro a minute to hear some chick moan, UTTER RIPOFF!). She immediately answers back before I can put the phone in my pocket. BASHI BAZOOOKS ! My hands are freezin! I fumble with the phone... This is weather for PINGUINS!!! ... she answers "HAHA! no way ! it's me ! HBOfficeGirl. Is it 20:30 yet ?" I answer back "Wow! SO straightforward ! ;)" she: "Yeah, like you! ;)"
wwwwwwhhhaaaattt ???!!! silly girl! :smash:
I think of my Dad, he'd be so proud of me. I LOVE you Dad, for many things, but for teaching me that as a man it's my responsibility to take initiative, I really love you.
Anyway I'm outta here, no gaming for me tonight! OHHHHH NOOOOO !!!! I wanna play but I AM forcing myself to SHUT DOWN my machine..... NOW!
Now, if anyone was that straightforward with me, I'd think he/she was a serial killer.
You do not have to have material possessions in order to be very successful with women. There is a lot of hope for us normal average guys.
Pheromone...(points at custom user title)
I must be hideously ugly, since I'm intelligent, funny, [...]
You're obviously way too arrogant. :laugh4: ~;)
Vladimir
12-18-2007, 21:17
What if it's only been a few but mmmmmmmmmmmmultiple times?
Innocentius
12-18-2007, 21:24
You're obviously way too arrogant. :laugh4: ~;)
I prefer to believe that I'm well aware of myself; my good sides as well as my bad ones:2thumbsup:
1 for 3 years
"We've done 'it' as in 'gone to see a Transformers', i've just never had sex with her."
:laugh4:
master of the puppets
12-19-2007, 00:04
2, as in sex where the thingy goes in the other thingy (you know what thingy:rolleyes: )
but i'm only 17 so i'm off to a good start.
I prefer to believe that I'm well aware of myself; my good sides as well as my bad ones:2thumbsup:
Husar is not self-aware, he thinks you're above average then. :2thumbsup:
Just don't take it all that seriously, it's just fun.
Being as I have a genetic predisosition to being nurotic. That is very chalenging.
HoreTore
12-19-2007, 08:03
What if it's only been a few but mmmmmmmmmmmmultiple times?
Well in this thread it's number of girls, not number of times, obviously... I doubt any of us who've been with the same chick for years still counts the number of times :laugh4:
Adrian II
12-19-2007, 11:32
Funny thing is, "promiscuous" means "casual" or "indiscriminate". I wouldn't say that any of my "conquests" were casual or that I've ever been indiscriminate.
Well alright, there was C. whose dress and table manners weren't exactly in the best possible taste, but once she was out of that dress her bedside manner left nothing to be desired either. It's been a frequent dilemma to me. I mean the dilemma of how to reconcile such, um, juxtapositions would be the word.
Lust is a democratic tyrant. :yes:
ICantSpellDawg
12-19-2007, 16:28
It's really nothing to boast about. I think it's incredible that everybody is feeling so pressured. Sex with varies partners spreads disease no matter how you cut it.
Most people will not use protection all the time. Even with protection you can still get herpes, crabs, HPV, Genital warts, varied genital conditions.
People hate condoms in general. Nobody wants to wear them IN REALITY. In a fantasy world, maybe - but truth be told most people slip up on many occasions.
On your death bed do you really feel like you may wish for more varied partners? Will it really matter? I doubt it. I do suspect that you won't want your daughters out there playing pregnancy Russian roulette. You won't want your sons to have relationships based primarily on the physical. Your wife to get herpes because of your past actions. Also, I think most of us know that sexual relationships cloud character judgement and increase the likelihood of a false match in personalities.
"Sexual Freedom" just enslaves us to a life obsessed with the physical, infidelities, weaker philosophical relationships and flaming nether regions.
We are now free to do what we want. Just because you have the ability doesn't mean you have to act on it. I've slept with 3 different girls and I wish it was only 1 or 2 in my entire life.
On your death bed do you really feel like you may wish for more varied partners? Will it really matter? I doubt it. I do suspect that you won't want your daughters out there playing pregnancy Russian roulette. You won't want your sons to have relationships based primarily on the physical. Your wife to get herpes because of your past actions. Also, I think most of us know that sexual relationships cloud character judgement and increase the likelihood of a false match in personalities.
Speak for yourself, maybe. My wife has only ever been with one person, me, due to an aversion towards sex that was instilled in her by her mother. She now greatly regrets not having more partners before she met me, simply because she considers her former reasons (mother's morality) to be absurd. While she does not have any problems with our relationship, that doesn't change the fact that she wishes she had lived her life differently before she met me. It applies to me, as well, as I was personally turned off when I learned she was a virgin. Sexually inexperienced people are, simply put, not as good at it. I would have preferred a woman who knew a bit more about what she was doing when we first met.
It's really nothing to boast about. I think it's incredible that everybody is feeling so pressured.
I don't but some do. I think it is just a good time, feeling the need to commit yourselve to a single partner is self-inflicted pressure as well. Sex is a strange subject because people always make more of it then it is.
ICantSpellDawg
12-19-2007, 17:12
Speak for yourself, maybe. My wife has only ever been with one person, me, due to an aversion towards sex that was instilled in her by her mother. She now greatly regrets not having more partners before she met me, simply because she considers her former reasons (mother's morality) to be absurd. While she does not have any problems with our relationship, that doesn't change the fact that she wishes she had lived her life differently before she met me. It applies to me, as well, as I was personally turned off when I learned she was a virgin. Sexually inexperienced people are, simply put, not as good at it. I would have preferred a woman who knew a bit more about what she was doing when we first met.
I'm sorry for you and your wife. Regret nothing unless it hurts those that you love.
I'm sorry for you and your wife. Regret nothing unless it hurts those that you love.
It's comments like these that remind me why I stay out of the Backroom. I apologize for straying.
ICantSpellDawg
12-19-2007, 17:53
It's comments like these that remind me why I stay out of the Backroom. I apologize for straying.
A wife who realizes the absurdity of the moral constraints that she used to hold can remedy the situation. Since it is only "bodies" anyway and as long as two people in a couple consent, there should be no moral problem with a constructive stray or two. Right? I mean what is the problem? Let's all get over our archaic view of ownership of the spouse.
It could only be good for the relationship and bang! everyone is happy, experienced and a more complete person for having explored their sexuality with other people. What makes marriage different from being single? Is it any less your own body? Plus now that it's safe, there really is no issue.
The problem with the type of sexuality that we have been encouraging is it weakens monogamy. The decision to enter into a life-long marriage is arbitrary and no longer based on sexual realities. Such a decision may hold up, but only through extreme luck rather than social or governmental support.
By the By, I'm not trying to mandate a more traditional moral code, but I do believe in it and want to get others to as well. You guys have had free game on sexual ethics for years and every time the opposite side tries to encourage what we believe, we are considered fascists and old fogeys.
Don't go. I get blasted by jerks all the time. Blast back.
sex is fun and women are hot, so have lots of it with lots of them.
i've always liked exotic women, i.e. those who look nothing like the ethnic monotony that surrounds one in ones own country. and i have been fortunate to 'meet' lots of exotic women so i'm a happy man.
i am also a happily attached man for some years, and while i have fond memories of my wayward days i am very content with my exotic lady.
I finally settled an voted in 50-100, because after some thought I'd say around 60-65, maybe 70. The other night was great btw, will post a report eventually ! It's not about boasting btw, I just wanted to see how TW gamers on this forum fare with the fairer sex.
Attracting women is a skill, much the same as combat. These are evolutionary skills embedded in our hardwiring. It's either you develop it or you don't but every man has the basics in him. I choose to develop it.
I don't like being dependent on one woman for anything, I don't like being dependent for anything on anyone actually.
Samurai Waki
12-19-2007, 21:37
Well... I'm not a man whore. Every time I've had sex with someone it has been in a meaningful relationship, not some random female with excessive baggage that you can pick up in any Bar, Club, or what have you. The people that feed on these types are about as easy to get as "can I buy you a drink?" No skill whatsoever. So theres nothing to brag about. I've been in five uniquely different relationships, with very talented, beautiful, and intelligent women. The last of which is mother to my two children, and my wife. I don't think I need any more than that.
KukriKhan
12-20-2007, 03:18
Having read through the thread, the actual question is (I think):
"How many different female sex partners have you had since you started playing PC games?"
One.
2nd question (I think):
"Have your PC gaming habits (intensity, frequency, and/or length of playing sessions) reduced or interfered with the frequency of sex, or the number of different female sex partners?"
No.
Have I missed any questions?
edit: this raises the 0-3 partners numbers up to @50% of those polled, which I mentally predicted, given the previously-reported population of married and under-18 members. In other words, half of backroomers are either inexperienced or monogamous, and the other half are "on the prowl", with varying success.
That is accurate Kukri, but you can include overall, since before starting to game as well. However indeed the purpose is to determine if gaming has a negative (or positive as some may see it) impact on your sex life (for those who are not in monogomous relationships). My guess is yes, my guess is also that gamers have less sex than average outgoing people (people who spend gaming time socially in non gaming venues). Subject for another poll !
There is another reason I posted this poll, to see how many people here are in THE Game. That is, picking up HOT, INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED, SEXUAL, HONEST, LOYAL, FRIENDLY, FUN, LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP MATERIAL WOMEN, at the drop of a dime, anywhere anytime. For (sex) one night stands (ONS), long term relationships (LTRs), short term relationships (STRs), or let's just be friends (LJBFs). I figured that if there's interest and if I see men who want this kind of advice or help, I can try help out. I have seen some posts here that totally broke my heart, some guys have no idea whatsoever what a woman is thinking, what she wants or how to deal with her. I'm no pro but I can safely say my skill in attracting, picking up, maintaining relationships & understanding women is ok. I haven't found my "one & only", thought I did a few times but I was wrong. I figure a good way is to build my skill in attracting women, that way at least I can finally find one to settle with. She's surely not going to drop from the sky while I'm playing video games. Besides there is definetly a thrill of the hunt, even if she does drop from the sky I'd reject her. I need to feel that I got her, not that she just arrived and said hey wow you're so cool.. UTTER BS. I need to feel some chemistry and I need to feel that I did my caveman thing. Most (not all ofc) women feel the same, if you come too easy and they made no effort, they will not respect your union. While I'm looking for her, I'm having a lot of fun, learning a lot and enjoying myself. I do need to improve my game and I am, I always will. Just wanted to see if anyone else, like me, wants and/or does go for the women we want. I'm obviously not talking prostitutes or bargirls/partygirls here, though one should remember they are human beings and deserve the respect accorded to any other human being. They are women too!!! and should be treated like any other woman, WITH RESPECT.
I found a video of the Russtid, originally posted about by HoreTore, it's not that great, it's from Stavanger a smallish town IIRC. I saw a similar thing in Copenagen, man that was totally wild!. Some of our younger auidence may enjoy it. Too young for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPrkx-qBuqI&feature=related
GREAT song in that video. Got the SONG! Thanks! to HoreTore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ
OMG! THIS had made ROFLMFAO!, these guys are HIlarious !
LooooooL! Chk the girl, she LOVES to be on camera! what can I say ? typical female.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_qTeSLBvPU&feature=related
Thanks again for the name of the song HoreTore, grooved to it before but never got the name.
Love it! And yes, I do know what he's saying. Can't get over how cool that video is, wish those 3 would do more.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/customavatars/avatar29706_3.gif
I should mention, please don't bring any prejudices into this thread, about gay or religion or whatever. Everyone has their own culture, and in Scandinavia what's shown in that video is perfectly acceptable, for 'kids' of that age. Hell I've seen people topless in one of the main parks in Copenhagen, and I'm sure everyone's heard or experienced Scandinavian open mindedness on sex and nudity (among other things).
SCANDINAVIA FTW ! (followed closely by HOLLAND !)
HoreTore
12-20-2007, 11:08
it's not that great, it's from Stavanger a smallish town IIRC.
Stavanger is actually Norway's 4th largest city... As well as our oil capital... And one of the two places hosting the largest "russ-events"...
Too young for me!
We're russ the year we turn 19(or older), so they shouldn't be too young, Sinan ~;)
Thanks again for the name of the song HoreTore,
I deny any and all affiliation with that plague.
I'll slap you silly if you find the "russesong" from my time, btw.
SCANDINAVIA FTW ! (followed closely by HOLLAND !)
Dutchettes are a tough crowd, Viking chicks are much more openminded sexually. Average viking chick has had (many) more partners then the dutchie. We get bonus points for queensday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_VZIGn6jc&feature=related
Stavanger is actually Norway's 4th largest city... As well as our oil capital... And one of the two places hosting the largest "russ-events"...
We're russ the year we turn 19(or older), so they shouldn't be too young, Sinan ~;)
I deny any and all affiliation with that plague.
I'll slap you silly if you find the "russesong" from my time, btw.
Oh, thanks for enlightening me on that one!. The only thing I knew about Stavanger was some info from the Cold War. I meant the video is not that great, doesn't show the scale of the event. 19 eh? Well you're right, not that young ~;) No matter what you do you cannot deny your culpability and your history !!! :clown: I will try find your song, that was this year right ?
Dutchettes are a tough crowd, Viking chicks are much more openminded sexually. Average viking chick has had (many) more partners then the dutchie. We get bonus points for queensday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_VZIGn6jc&feature=related
You have to know that locals are often considered tough by other locals, not always the same to outsiders, Greeks say Greek women are tough, Belgians say Belgian women are tough and so on. Dutch girls rock. IMHO Dutchettes are right up there at the top of the stage in sexual liberation, confidence, open mindedness, they are so free minded. they're smart as hell and emotionally alive (generally), they're great. Picked up 2 dutchies who were from smallish towns in Holland, reasonably conservative, in Dubai. Trainees at the Shangri-La (5 star hotel). Gave some initial resistance but persistence paid in the form of beautiful... let's call her HotBabe SmartBomb (to preserve her privacy). What a sweetheart, she was pretty much wanting to since the first time I approached her but she knew that the other Dutchie would know and she may get labelled a slag, or worse maybe the other Dutchie would be jealous. There was also another Dutch girl 'in the picture', this on top of the fact that they're probably not 'supposed' to be sleeping with clients. After some teasing SMSs (got her number the 1st time I met her) and open flirting in the bar while she was working, I figured I need some strategy for this chick, because she was always like YES!!! and the she'd get worried and back off slightly. She was much more open every time, anyway she was a bombshell and she definetly was worth the wait.
Turning point came when I decided to get another soldier in the game. Ex US Army contractor from Iraq, I went into her bar and gave her no atention at all (I was playing her game too! pull.... push... pull), I did this off and on to make sure she gets the point, that I don't care and I will eventually leave the hotel and her, no matter what happens. It's up to her to take what she wants, or lose it forever. I realy did'nt care, I was gaming plenty of other chicks at the same time. I was there to expand my professional and social circle, and that's what I was doing. Anyhow I walked in ordered my "usual" Talisker (Scotch), and chilled. She was looking at me constantly trying to get my attention but I just pretended I didn't notice. I wanted her to know I'm going endgame this time so... Instead I walked up to these 2 older women who were having a talk about a Chinese restaurant I knew. I started talking to them, and immediately had them cracking up at my impersonation of the restaurant manager. They were HIT! had them open like crazy. HBSmartBomb walked almost right up to us, walked by and stood where I could not avoid her, giving me the hand on hips pose sticking her ass out to one side (clear approach invitation, women do this to accentuate their hips and look more attractive).
Random image I found to illustrate:
http://www.kevinhogan.com/images/whitec.jpg
I noticed but I wasn't in this just for the sex, so I needed her to know that she won't keep me just by her natural physical assets. My bro walked in about 5 minutes later, and as soon as he walked in I walked right past her to him, high fived, hugged, salutations, HOOOOAAAH ! everyone was like Wooo! look at those guys (in a good way) and went back to the other 2 ladies. Now HBSmartBomb saw me with my bro and saw how close I can be with a man as friends (hot women dig that stuff, takes them back to caveman times emotionally), she just couldn't stop staring. Her boss called her over (LOL!!!) and got to clean some glasses on the bar. She kept observing and thinking, this is the point where I knew I was in, it wil happen tonight. She saw me having a good time and pwning the bar, everyone wanted to be in our group. Other chicks and guys were joining us, we were the center of the party. We chatted the other two chicks I opened initially, for a few more minutes. When I saw HB SmartBomb head for the exit to receive some guests, I gestured to my bro with my eyes that it's time to go. We said our goodbyes, he got the 2 intial babes to agree meet us in a few minutes at another joint, and headed out. My bro winked at her as we passed and I slapped him in the back of the head, as a possessive but playful gesture. As I walked by our eyes met for the first time that night, she gave me those doggy bowl eyes, like please, I want you. Gave em back, pulled her close and told her where we will be at 01:00 (when she gets off work), she whispered back "I wish could come with you right now." Me: "Don't take too long love!" Her: "I won't schatje!" HOLY SMOKIN FREKIN MACAREL! She's speakin Dutch to me like she would to her man. WAAHOOO !!! At 01:20 she walked into the lobby of the place we were at, (Kempinsky Hotel, Mall of the Emirates) and SMSed me. As soon as she walked up, all smiles and happy as a free bird (Did I say the most beuatiful thing in the world is to see a woman happy ?) I touched her hair, caressed her left cheek and pulled her in for the kiss. KAPOW !!!! My mate exited as she arrived, with the 2 babes we'd picked up earlier. We did'nt even hear the others saying goodbye. I'm still in touch with her and surely will meet her again either in Dubai or when she's back in Holland. I owe this one to the fire support from my man in Dubai, Charlie! HOOO!!!AAAAAAHH!!! THANKS bro! I kind of just relived the whole experience just writing about it. She is awesome. Feels great, this is going to be a GREAT night !
Great vid btw, I always try to be in Amsterdam for Queen's Day. Missed the last one sadly! It's a GREAT party ! Totally amazing. I'll be off for the weekend will check back early next week. GREAT week-end to you all !!!
:2thumbsup:
Hehe who would have thought our horse-archer whisperer has skills with any beauty no matter how many legs. If you go to queensday gimme a sign, I'll save you a spot on the boat if you want.
You have to know that locals are often considered tough by other locals, not always the same to outsiders
You got a point there, Paris is a much better playground for me then Amsterdam. and the french won't shut up about how much finesse it takes, I haven't done more then being aproached.
HoreTore
12-20-2007, 20:24
that was this year right ?
Fortunately not...
AggonyDuck
12-20-2007, 22:13
Thanks for sharing your stories Sinan. They're definately an interesting read and do offer some nice insights.
Thanks Frag, I'll try to look you up. Thanks Ducky! I'll try to be more specific in techniques so as to make it as clear as I can.
Today sucked though BIG time, got 2 parking tickets while I was away for the weekend. YESSSS ! AWESOME! got a bit of the blues, missing HBKorean, didn't go running or to the gym as I had wanted to coz I didn't do any outdoor sports for a couple of days. I went to the video store, there was this HOT babe, blonde (RAWR!!!), stylish nice light blue coat, dark blue jeans, cool jewelry, classy, smelling sweet as spring itself, digging deep into her bag for some money. The guy at the counter was being a jerk and asking her to pay for cigarettes, when she was apparently a regular customer. I just behaved like myself, listening to the music and stepping with it, looking for a movie, came up to the counter with my choice. As she walked by, on the way to get some money from the ATM, I smiled without looking at her, I saw her smile back through the corner of my eye. I called out "HEY!" she turns: "Tell you what, I'll lend you a fiver and when you come here next time you give it to the counter to pay me back." Hand her a fiver, she says thanks! smiles!!! and that was that. I didn't pursue any further and just left with my movie (The Shape of Things). Damm, I hate my frekkin Dalai Lama syndrome. She was all eyes and completely OPEN!. Anyway, it's crash and LEARN!!! I guess I was extremely satisfied with my week-end, and didn't feel the need to do anything tonight BUT I could have gotten her number for another time... I do feel GOOD that I did the gentlemanly thing though. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGG!!!! I'm hating myself! Think positive !!! I will make it up with TWO pickups tomorrow ! Big frekkin deal !
It was a great weekend though. HBKorean who works as an air hostess for Emirates airlines was in Frankfurt and I hadn't seen her for a while. Suffice to say all the Korean movies I watched since I last met her sure as hell paid off. She gets so heated up when I show interest in her culture, it's amazing. No actually it's HOT! She's a great girl, adventurous like I like em. How I got her number is a story because I wasn't even trying to get hers, I was trying to get her collegue's, a young half Indian half Euro air hostess and I saw ... HBKorean hanging around. Topic for another post !
I'm hating myself! Think positive !!! I will make it up with TWO pickups tomorrow ! Big frekkin deal !
Man, doy you have some issues? Please don't take me too serious or insulting but there's no need to make up for anything, you sound like you have problems with your self-esteem. Don't define yourself by how many women you can get...
There are more important things about you than how many bunnies you nail per day on average, no need to replace the cigarettes with women. ~;)
Give the man a break hes in the zone. Besides, it's not about how many you get but about how many you dont ~;p
Adrian II
12-24-2007, 15:55
Give the man a break hes in the zone. Besides, it's not about how many you get but about how many you dont ~;pHow many time do I have to repeat this: it's about what you get (multiplied by number of times, of course :laugh4: ).
woad&fangs
12-24-2007, 16:04
Nice guys finish last. It's a fact. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you would rather have the sportsman of the year award or whether you should play by Italian rules and get a shot at the world cup.
I don't have much of a choice. I'm a nice guy and no matter how hard I try I can't change that about myself.
PS: Adrian is correct.
Papewaio
12-28-2007, 01:01
Combined Arms. We all have different tactics, weapons at our disposal and height advantages. :laugh4:
As long as we all have different strategies at least some of us will get to add the next generation of TW players.
If dating was an FPS. Sinan would be the gatling weilding heavy weapons dude laying down lots of cover fire, penetrating lots of enemies and blooding quite a few... and magically avoiding the altar er shotgun wedding er return fire.
The nice guy is the sniper who goes for one or two... he just has to remember to stay up with the pack...
Hahahahah!!! That's funny ! Next time we're out to pick up some babes, you're on my fireteam Pape ! Lots to say about nice guys, because I AM A NICE GUY ! hope I get time tomorrow... if I finish my other 2 projects.
Papewaio
12-28-2007, 01:54
Good point about being the nice guy. By showing that you had a male friend and that you could take your eyes off her you come across as more socially nice guy and not purely after her body. You also proved to her that you had what it takes to go elsewhere and that the firesale was on and the goods were leaving unless she made a positive move. A bit of competition motivates women just as it does men.
woad&fangs
12-28-2007, 01:58
If dating was an FPS. Sinan would be the gatling weilding heavy weapons dude laying down lots of cover fire, penetrating lots of enemies and blooding quite a few... and magically avoiding the altar er shotgun wedding er return fire.
The nice guy is the sniper who goes for one or two... he just has to remember to stay up with the pack...
So Sinan is Duke Nukem now?
PS: this analogy does not bode well for me seeing as I'm a horrible sniper.
Dead on Pape. The essential was to display my qualities so she sees them, otherwise she'd never know. I was not after her body alone, is it really like that... No, not for me. I'm always after something more. I always treat the woman with respect, unless she explicitly shows that she wants me to treat her otherwise. Some people would be surprised what a turn on it is for some women to be treated like a slag, in the bedroom. Naturally this applies only to the bedroom. The physical aspect is important for me though, as are all things about a woman. It's all important, everything. She's a great girl, am still in touch with her, and we'll surely be friends for a long time.
I should add that there's nothing I want more than to love a woman genuinely, and to have her love me genuinely, to have a happy family. I almost got married twice, but I chose out of love. It's important for me to spread and discover otherwise I shall never know what is really out there, I'll never be able to make an informed and intelligent choice. I'll just chose out of love, but this hasn't worked for me. My choices in love have been blind and I've chosen women who I would not have chosen was I not intoxicated with their love.
My grandfather never saw the face of the woman he married until wedding night, in privacy. When he was asked by my grandmother's father if he wishes to see the girl, my grandfather said no. Everyone was stunned, and asked why?. He declined to answer. A while ago, I asked him after lunch, why he did not want to see her (the story is all around the family and everyone guesses to the correct answer). He finally told me. He answered that he did not want to see her because he would then judge her on her body and her looks, and this would be unfair to her. To make it clear, he said he won't see the girl but he will marry her, because he wants it to be fair on her. She would be hurt if he said no after seeing her, because he didn't consider her pleasurable enough physically. Hence he married her without even seeing her face. This is an act of empathy which I've never seen equalled, in my lifetime, yet. There is more to tell on this story though.
I respect that, and I never disrespect a woman. I love women, and while I'm not committed to one, I consider it a pleasure, a privilige and pure joy to be in the company of many women. I always treat her as a person, and she always feels better after the encounter, I always give of myself. There is no question about the fact that I lead. I have yet to meet a real alpha female, a female that can lead me as I lead her, in the relationship. I long to meet her, but I've not really met one who fits the bill, in my eyes. Most women cannot lead me, I overpower them and the sexuality of the relationship is clearly established. Most men make the mistake of being too easy for their women, this is fine for some, but not for me anymore. I've made that mistake as a VERY nice guy. I now establish my natural skill at leadership right from the start, mostly she is impressed with this. Most women love it when a man takes charge, this is completely subjective and is completely hardwired. They like men who are firm (but not suffocating or domineering). If they run you over they have no respect for you. If we both want to see each other again and again, that's fine. If we don't that's fine. Since I am leading I do have final say, and this I reserve as the male who won her !. She can contest and she'll have to win me over, I am a listener and I listen intently. I want to understand and if she can make me believe something, I'm delighted. As the male I take the responsibility of observing the relationship, and if it has to end I always take the responsibility of ending it, on the best possible terms. I've not had any trouble with this. In fact most women will greatly respect that you will make the move to set them free, just as they greatly respect the initiative you undertook to win them. Note also that I'm mostly European and since an early age I realised the ease of sex, it's no big deal, unlike in other cultures where it's sin, and a big deal etc. So in my culture sex between consenting adults is no big deal at all. I do not think it is disrespectful to have many women. As men are naturally programmed to spread, so are women naturally programmed to seek the best mate, and usually they are. They'd rather be in bed with a guy who's hot for them than be sitting in front of the television watching reruns of friends, and eating a tub of ice cream. They want it as much as we do, and much more.
Still haven't said all I want to about nice guys (it's all positive don't worry), feel like I could write a book but I have to sleep now!
Curfew.... DISCIPLINE !!!
Marshal Murat
12-28-2007, 03:31
0, which isn't bad considering I'm barely within high school.
The only thing that gets my goat is that all the girls that I like are 'friends' and I feel the entirely opposite about the situation.
Damn hormones.
How many time do I have to repeat this: it's about what you get (multiplied by number of times, of course :laugh4: ).
Talk to the hand predators, turns out I am rather avarage which is quite discomforting.
doc_bean
12-28-2007, 10:17
I'm not. I always saw little appeal in picking up random chicks in a bar, and sex really isn't *that* important to me, so I kept a low profile throughout most of my younger years, and I'm getting married ...
I might have a couple of regrets, girls I wish I had pursued, but even including those, the girls I was actually interested in (more than physically) is lower than 10.
As for the implied question whether gamers got game: I know a couple of non-gamers who I'm pretty sure have had 0 partners (in their mid-20s), I also know some gamers who are very successful with the opposite sex.
The most active guy I know/knew averaged at least one girl a week in his prime, I'm pretty sure he'd break the 300 if he participated, he's 22 now.
For the younger members (or those easily influenced) I'd just like to say that it's not a competition, you don't HAVE to sleep with hundreds of women to prove your manhood. Like Fragony said : Just have fun. Live your own life.
Few things I'd like to add...
There's no real competition for who "scored" most.
There is competition in a wider sense. The world is all about competition. As such the more you compete for women (in a good way), the more experience you gain in how to court women, the more likely you are to meet one that you want to stay with, the more likely you are to be able to satisfy the demands of your relationship. Simple stats, plus increased relationship experience work in your favor, not against.
A lot of guys out there are very much competing, but this is something only a person who's been in the field would know. A lot of guys are most definetly competing to get girls, but also competing for money, fame, wealth, better jobs, power etc. Women are doing exactly the same, they compete for men as well, perhaps much more fiercely than men compete for women. Competition is everywhere, in everything. I'm not saying I support this state of affairs, but being realistic it's there.
I would add also to the earlier line; Just have fun, live your own life, and let others live theirs.
CONGRATS Doc ! Wish you a successful and happy marriage !
:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
0, which isn't bad considering I'm barely within high school.
The only thing that gets my goat is that all the girls that I like are 'friends' and I feel the entirely opposite about the situation.
Damn hormones.
So what you want to do is have all or most of those girls who are "friends" as "girlfriends" ? or just one ?
Barely within high school, man I don't even remember when that was... or how old I was.
I do remember my first girl actually had to strip, and basically she lead me on all the way to get me to actually do the deed. FUN timezzzzz !!! I still make em beg though. ;P (HAHAHHAHA !!!)
You should see the dog food in the local store. I'm not desperate, yet. :laugh4:
Sinan is starting to scare me, from calmness itselve to the deus sex machina, we got a manic depression going on?? :idea2:
Manic depression?. HAHAHA! I wish... No rest for the wicked !
Marshal Murat
12-28-2007, 16:58
So what you want to do is have all or most of those girls who are "friends" as "girlfriends" ? or just one ?
Well, yes? Who can so no to too much companionship?
Indeed. Well the short answer as to how to make them all girlfriends is to treat them like they are, and they will be.
This is a funny video. I totally respect those guys for being so bold, and they dared, but this is really no game at all. Very amateur but hey they got the chicks! Check the first guy out, LOL! she's like take me home. He's like... oh oh ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpSgKQh-vlw&NR=1
My critique:
1st guy:
Good energy, good vibe, poor voice though and bad acting skills.
BAD you guys are hot opener, TYPICAL!, Good "beach walks" stack, bad bad horrendous terrible stalker 3rd line. LUCKY she found it funny.
GREAT neg.
Good HONEST emotion when obstacle arrives, bit sour when he asks for drinks, bad vibe.
Loses frame right here, girl takes control and pushes the drink.
Rated R stuff is hot! Insta F-Close ! (sex on sight) He dunit !
She is SO HOT for him, she's buying!
From here on it's crap, total chump emerges. She's TOTALLY like OMG pleeeezzzz take me home !! what the hell baby??? TERRIBLE!
2nd guy:
High energy, in control.
BRILLIANT starting kino (physical escalation, touching). VERY Mediterranean, natural.
Very strong neg (reduce female's social value) which is kind of insulting, mediocre delivery. BUT it works.
Good alpha behaviour, doesn't care and doesn't let her get frame.
Pushes into totally typical Italian, Demonstration of High Value (DHV)/Flirt line. Works.
Excellent eye contact, excellent emotion control, phases into sex mode. Very well done.
LMFAO! at the theatrics LMFAO !!! Lame in my book, but I like the frustration and emotional projection, stays funny... but it works.
Handles obstacle VERY well, and gets social proof off her. LOL!
Overall better than the 1st guy but this ain't solid game, VERY corny lines, very standard, nothing big in my very n00b opinion.
They both did well enough though, they got the girls ! They were good enough, they were fun. That's the spirit.
Game over !.
Marshal Murat
12-28-2007, 18:26
I don't get how women find degradation funny, or attractive. Explain?
I'm not sure what you mean by degradation. Are you referring to the negs in the video ?
1st guy: "you're the dangerous one ?" 2nd guy: "you're like one of the ugliest girls in the club"
Marshal Murat
12-28-2007, 18:47
The 2nd guys negative comments "ugliest girl in the club". I'd compliment her, not say something like that.
So Sinan is Duke Nukem now?
https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2838/dukenukemresizeix8.jpg
"I'm looking for some alien toilet to park my bricks, who's first?"
I don't get how women find degradation funny, or attractive. Explain?
If that's your game they will know, called teasing. If they know you are interested anything will do, that is all really, being interested without being pushy. You will always get away with being interested without any lose of face(which is ultimatily the biggest hindrance, we all know it), they love being pushed around a bit.
The 2nd guys negative comments "ugliest girl in the club". I'd compliment her, not say something like that.
That comment could have easily blown up in his face. It was a very arrogant comment, but it worked. You should not follow his example, that could have been very bad, she cold have slapped him, she could have got guys to beat him up. But it worked because the guy just carried on and was confident. This is something he did very well, you must never hang on the neg, just say it and carry on talking as if it's nothing. Let her feel the hit and then take the pressure off. The neg by the 1st guy "you're the dangerous one" is much more apt, and absolutely perfect. Dead on target, good shot!
Why did it work ?
Negging as a bait tactic
Beautiful women are used to guys hitting on them. The more beautiful a woman is the more compliments she receives. The older she grows the more used to guys hitting on her she is. The power of compliments decreases each time you give one. The beautiful woman stops feeling anything because she is complemented every single day, all the time. She no longer blushes, smiles or cares (genuinely). She has an abundance of admirers and potential sex partners to choose from. Her brain no longer produces dopamine (a chemical which is part of the attraction process, among other things) when someone compliments her. Her emotions no longer respond to compliments as easily, she becomes desensitised.
Neg theory is a social dynamics theory which works to reduce the social value of the woman. A beautiful woman automatically has high social value. She can talk to anyone, every man wants to bed her, everyone wants her in their social circle, simply because of her looks. Beautiful women are proven to have easier social lives than ugly women. Everyone gives them attention whenever they want it.
A neg is an underhand remark, a playful and teasing non insulting comment, which is used to reduce the social value of the beautiful or exceptionally beautiful female. The neg must not be delivered as an insult, the objective is not to insult her, or degrade her. The objective is to make her feel like she is nothing special. To make known that you are a strong male and are not intoxicated or cowered by her sexual power. This triggers the attraction process, if the neg is delivered correctly. A perfect neg will release andrenaline into her blood as well. She will start getting physically primed, for action. Dopamine flows into the bloodstream and she is aroused, because she now needs to prop her self up. She's aroused because you poke her. When you deny her sexual power, she gets worked up. She needs to get her sexual power back. Now you continue the attraction process, because she is now emotionally and physically involved with you.
A neg simultaneously makes the male seem more attractive to the female, because the male shows he does not care how sexy she is. She feels the need to make him feel attracted to her. This is because the beautiful or exceptionally beautiful female is expecting male attention and when she does not get it, she craves it, and wants it more. The male shows her that he is used to women of beauty. In showing her this he triggers attraction for him because a fundamental attraction trigger for females is Preselection (look at my post on page 2 IIRC). The female understands that this male is higher value than other males (a better mate) because he does not, like others, care for her sexual power. She begins to want him and starts to feel attraction for him.
The following are good examples of negs:
YOU: "I don't think we should get to know each other."
HER: "Why not?"
YOU: "I think you are just too much of a nice girl for me."
If she says something even slightly rude you say, "You don't get out much do you?"
If she interrupts you, say, "Hello, I'm talking, geez" or, "Excuse me... may I finish my sentence first?" You then say to others in the group, "Is she always like that?"
If you are asking a question to two women and she answers you say, "I didn't ask you, silly."
If you pull out your photos to show around, first show them to the obstacle. When the target tries to see them, say, "Excuse me! I'm showing her the pictures not you. Wait your turn geez."
If a girl kisses you on the cheek and goes to kiss your other cheek, tell her, "Only one ... don't be greedy."
"That's a nice hairstyle ... it that your real hair?" Smile and look at her to show her you are sincerely being funny and not insulting.
HER: "Oh, I'm a model."
YOU: "What, like a hand model or something?"
"Ewww, your palms are sweaty ... ewwww!!!!! Where have your hands been? No, don't tell me, I do not want to know!"
"You've got something in your ear."
"I think your hair would look better [up/down]."
"Where's your off-button?"
"Those are nice boots, I know a girl who has the same ones."
"I love your jacket. Did you just get back from Alaska ?"
Effective negs are absolutely DEVASTATING on beautiful and exceptionally beautiful females. It is very important to deliver well otherwise it can come off as a flirt line, or an insult, depending on how you deliver. Once you have had sex and she has been a good lover, or once she has shown a very high level of interest in you, you can compliment her. Only compliment her when she really works to earn the compliment. Only compliment her when your status in her eyes in highly elevated, only when a compliment coming from you will mean something very special to her. Otherwise she will lose attraction for you. Females crave those males that are rare. Males who compliment her are common. It also depends on her self esteem and self image, if she's exceptionally beautiful but does not feel that about herself, you should not neg her. You must judge from female to female, on the spot, all are individuals and each is different from the other.
A good strategy has many aspects. Negging to bait arousal and spark attraction is only one aspect of a complete strategy.
Hope that helps !
Vladimir
12-28-2007, 20:29
Damn Sinian! I guess us snipers spend too much time in the shadows. Mind you it's not easy being Solid Snake.
The theory is solid and fairly well known; the practice takes, practice.
LOL Dude !. I'm a frekin sniper too ! I'm the VERY nice guy snipaaaahhhh !!!!
Calibration is important, to be able to deliver so that it has the desired impact without side effects. During conversation (initial stages) deliver the neg, don't wait for any response, carry on talking as if it's nothing. This is very important, because another attraction trigger is NON NEEDINESS. This is a biggie. You need to always appear nonchalant (while she is not yet attracted to you, and sometimes beyond), appear non needy. Ideally BE NON NEEDY. You must never wait for a response, just imagine you're saying "Good Evening" "May I have a beer please." No interuption between neg and stacking (continuing the conversation). If you stop and wait for a response, it shows you are actually looking for a response, in female emotion this means => NEEDINESS! big red flag!
The impact of the neg is usually instantly apparent in her body language, so the male can determine what impact it has had. A female has a natural defence mechanism more powerful, in some ways, than the males. She is not strong enough physically to combat a a hunting male, as a male is perfectly capable of doing. She has a greater instinct to protect herself as she will bear offspring, which she must nurture from her breast. She most often has wider peripheral vision than the male, to make it easier for her to spot predators. Why say all this ? Because when a male appoaches her, her natural instinct kicks in, to judge if the incoming male is a threat to her. Remember only a few thousand years ago she would have to make this decision in a split second. When you deliver the neg correctly, it lowers her shield (somewhat). You can see changes in the female's body language. A good shot will mean she will display the new openess in her body language. She will look at herself (to make sure she looks good), she will touch or groom her hair (to look better), better still she will start touching herself, her neck, or even better still she will touch or brush her breasts.
Neg theory works independently but it should be used as part of an array of seductive techniques.
I'm not saying anything new here. if you watch Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca, it's an old black and white film from forever ago. I don't even remember the year. All this is in there. If you watch any movie with males that females like, all this is in there. They always hold their ground, unless blatantly wrong. The "Neg Theory" itself in that form was, I believe, pioneered by a guy called Eric Marko something, popularly known as Mystery. He was a petty stage magician, who is a great success with women.
Snipers are infiltrators (I mean this in a good way), and proper seduction is in a way akin to infiltration. Into her mind, understanding her. Into her emotions, feeling what she feels. Knowing what she is thinking and feeling, providing what she wants, at the right time. As males it is up to us to initiate, to take the shot. The better prepared and trained we are the more successful we will be.
I only make this sniper reference because you guys were saying it, so I try to explain it in those terms. No aggressive intent.
Ice, that's a cool pic !
Vladimir
12-29-2007, 01:38
This is me:
:gorgeous: :rifle: :
This is you (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_(Agent)&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dromeo%2Bagent%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefo6x-a%2rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DbcP).
Learn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Wolf).
Excellent. Very good read !
Damm I wonder if that is how they got the term number "close" or F- Close, Kiss-Close. Wow, this is great dude. Thanks for that.
I'm no Romeo though, I don't sell my girls ;P
Mystery Method on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Method
Remember that what he says in that seduction model is nothing new, as proved by Vlad's links, and my earlier observations. It's been known to males who took the trouble to figure women out, for centuries.
Vladimir
12-29-2007, 02:01
(I think I'm posting too much. oh well, on to 3,000)
That doesn't take into account cultural factors.
Link to Neg Theory .pdf (just googled it):
http://www.themysterymethod.com/downloads/neg_theory.pdf
No it does not. As I mentioned above it works on a more fundamental level than culture. All successful seduction does. You can seduce a Russian just as well as a Japanese, or Arab with the correct mix of technique.
I have tried the M3 Model in Arabia, and it worked there, it worked in Pakistan, it worked in Thailand, it works in all of Western Europe, including Germany. It is hard to believe, I did'nt belive it till I did it, till I analysed past "love stories" and then I was like DAMM! THAT IS WHAT I WAS DOING !!! I just never studied women, the one thing I really love. I never studied them, I took them for granted but when I started to study I understood the reasons behind my reasonable and comparative success. It was suddenly evident that I was going on "autopilot" and I just had it in me to pull the right moves, push the buttons. I wasn't thinking at all, everything was instinct. Now that I have studied female psychology better, I'm far better equipped than before. It helps a great deal because I am so much a better person, I am so much more satisfied with my sex life, and thus my whole life. I can really positively impact women's lives, and finally understand them (daaaammmmiiiittt!).
Thing is before I started my study about 2 years ago, when I approached a woman she was already into C1-C3 or S1-S3, there was NO ATTRACTION phase, most of the time. She saw me, looked at me and BANG! I was so used to it I didn't even think about understanding it. It's only later I understood why I was ahead. Convinction, confidence, lifestyle, success, and assorted minor factors, including ofc non neediness. Gamers have that key they appear non needy, hence... the can be very successful in attraction phase. BUT once it gets to comfort and seduction, and later into a relationship, things can get more complicated.
You simply have to adjust your seductive process to calibrate to the culture. If you make it match the culture it will fail, because, as I said earlier, females desire males who are rare. There are many different seductive techniques M3 is ONLY ONE OF THEM. You can use others if you feel it works better for you.
You build as you train.
Marshal Murat
12-29-2007, 04:04
I feel like this is the part where you tell me we can have it for only 5 easy payments to a 1-800 number.:laugh4:
I feel like this is the part where you tell me we can have it for only 5 easy payments to a 1-800 number.:laugh4:
Nah it's payment upfront dude !!! 50,000 US Dollars !!!!
:laugh4:
! JUST JOKING !
Marshal Murat
12-29-2007, 21:07
That pdf. explained the thought process, and it makes sense. Thanks.
My pleasure. :bow:
Just remember that it has to be used in conjuntion with other things. I'm only saying this again and again because a lot of guys I've seen overneg and the girl feels insulted.
Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.
I'm starting a project where I live to get some new guys together who want to learn "the game" with me. Won't have huge mansion with swimming pools, jacuzzis and ferraris for base camp but we shoud be rockin anyway. It will be called Project ... hmm not sure what to call it, yet. Free of course.
I'm surprised nobody said this only works with bar/party girls... ohh wait we already covered that !
Got another veeedeo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyKGLIdH1I&NR=1
1st guy: Overneg, bad bad bad terrible.. bye bye... BUT even THAT worked. And he was lying.. geez.
2nd guy: Very GOOD, the second neg was risky, she could have turned at that point. Being a nice girl, she didn't. This was great. Notice how he was HONEST and just carried on the conversation. He had other stuff to say. This was perfect. The girl is an atomic bomb. She's lovin it!.
FactionHeir
12-29-2007, 21:40
So where do you sign up? :laugh4:
No seriously, I think part of it can be learned, but a lot is down to your personality, looks and in some ways language, culture and ethnicity. And your capital obviously.
So where do you sign up? :laugh4:
No seriously, I think part of it can be learned, but a lot is down to your personality, looks and in some ways language, culture and ethnicity. And your capital obviously.
HAHA ! You'll have to start your training on the Eurostar on the way over !
And your first mission will be to bring me a nice Bollywood babe from Leicester Square !
:laugh4:
They're out there on heat, some Saturday nights. There are certain events on that club at the South West end (I think)of Leicester Square, which are Indian/Bollywood oriented. My God, I almost fell over when I saw the que, like 100 women to one man. Perfect breeding ground !
:laugh4:
Just kidding ! ... about perfect breeding ground...
... or was I ?
Yes I agree, a great part can be learned.
Personally I say all of it can be learnt. You can become a man that women admire. I think any man of the average intelligence found on this forum has what it takes to be that man. You see women do notice looks, language, culture and ethnicity (not sure I understand this one, you mean they choose based on ethnicity?), but fundamentally any woman of any social class, exceptional beauty can be successfully courted.
Keypoint: Women think differently than men.
Ever heard of Jemima and Imran ? Sure you have. Now why did she go through all that ? She was richer, had more going for her etc. Now watch an interview with Imran Khan. The guy is a stud in every way, period. Looks matter, no question about that, but they are not everything. No single factor is overiding in a courtship unless the female is prejudiced. Even so I can tell you from my own experience that prejudice can be overcome in seduction, usually quite easily. This is because seduction relies on emotion. You can convince a woman logically "Look I'm ugly and 75 years old but I have 20 Million pounds to leave behind to somebody." That is not seduction. This is a contract, of course she will agree, because it's totally to her benefit. Courtship and seduction rely on emotion. The female feels first, then thinks. if she gets those feelings going, you're in. To get those feelings going any man can learn the ways in which to get her on. This is the whole purpose of courtship and seduction science, to understand te principles governing female mating choice. This is why Africans, Italians and other "southerners" are usually ahead of Caucasians, because they know how to make the female feel this way.
Keypoint: The female most often feels first, then thinks.
Watch any good "sexytime" (BORAT!) movie, the female is trying to resist the male's approach, "No baby I can't do this" but she often succumbs because the male closes the gap between feeling and thinking, sending her into a sexual state where she no longer thinks. She's lost in feeling. KHAO PHAD KAAIII !!! (Thai chicken fried rice!!!)
The greatest survival strength of the female is her power of intuition, her power to feel.
This power can become her greatest weakness, lost, in the hands of a skilled male.
A male has to have the desire to have a strong identity, a successful life, and a good lifestyle. As with any goal, we sometimes do not have the means, then we have to go get the means. For most of us this means work, a lot of work. That's life, we often have to work to get what is really worthy of us.
If you're saying the women are not really conscious, couldn't we then say that there is no consent and thus it's rape? ~;p :sweatdrop:
I mean doesn't consent require thought? :inquisitive:
Fore example: If a fat ugly woman put something into your coffee that would make you absolutely hawt and also render you unable to think and then she'd have sex with you, wouldn't you call it rape? You might say that women just have that poison in them already and you just activate it on purpose... :tomato2:
The Witch-King
12-30-2007, 07:09
Well, another one of the 26-year old virgins club here. ;) I'll admit I had a crisis of faith last year, wondering if I'd end up as a 40-year old virgin, but then I simply decided that panicking over this matter is simply not worth the time and hassle and I simply decided to enjoy life and see what would happen.
The primary rule to remember is indeed to NEVER appear needy. I remember this bloke on another forum I frequent who would post every three months or so complaining why girls didn't like him. Naturally, the first few times the women on the forum comforted him, saying that he was a nice guy and how he'd find a girl eventually but after the 4th or 5th time or so his act started to get old. Eventually he left after some creepy stalkery stuff with a girl who frequented the forum who also happened to live in his city. However, the most important thing that I remember was how utterly pathetic he came over after the 3rd or 4th time he started whining on the forum. So, the primary rule is indeed to never appear needy.
The second rule is of course the 'cocky and funny' approach. Now, I'll admit I suck badly at this, not so much on the internet, where I can be fairly witty, if I may so so myself, but in RL. I tend to be fairly introverted, particularly in large crowds and around new people. Don't expect me to say much (or even anything at all) when I first meet you, particularly when there are many people around. Needless to say, this doesn't really help in picking up girls. Combined with the fact that I basically detest bars, clubs or discos means I prefer to sit at home reading books, watching the Dsicovery Channel or indeed, playing games.
Still, I've decided to make a change so I've started to work-out (mens sana in corpore sano, as we latinists say ;) ), check out organizations (hobbies and the like, I'm thinking of taking up swordfighting, since it always seemed to be a fascinating sport to me and possibly dancing, which has the added benefit that women tend to love a man who can dance adequately ;) ) and take speech therapy lessons, since I tend to speak very fast and tend to swallow consonants, so by taking therapy I hope to increase my confidence in public speaking.
Anyway, we will just have to see how things will go. :)
Louis VI the Fat
12-30-2007, 21:10
I don't think these studied methods work for the game-virgins here. I am sure the methods are all fine and succesful, but I think this is the wrong crowd. They are not going to pick up Kiera Knightley next Saturday.
Here are my two simple tips:
I see some guys here who are quite capable of holding a conversation. Some are funny and witty too. So! What else do you really need? Just erm...talk to that girl you like, eh? Works wonders.
A nice guy asking a girl for a cup of coffee, a dinner, a date - nothing wrong about it. Girls expect guys to ask them. What's the worst that can happen? If you have the hots for a girl, at school, university, at work - then don't drag it on for months. You'll let the moment pass.
Second tip, following up on the first - let her know! Tell her that your interest is physical!!
Really, girls are fascinated by guys who like them. Now you are not as badass as I am and so you won't get away with telling a girl that her décolleté is making you explode in your pants, but at some point - and the sooner, the better - you have got to let her know what you want. Girls don't want guys who pretend that they want everything except sex, they want to hear that you want hot passionate sex NOW! That you are having nervous nights thinking about her, that there is nothing else except your desire for her. Don't be a wimp, be passionate. Girls want to be swept of their feet.
But pray, do get your timing right. Oh, and if she isn't interested, she isn't, and make a graceful exit.
To summarize - go up to that girl you fancy, have a chat, make it clear what your intentions are, and she'll let you know. It is not that difficult, and most girls are actually pretty nice to decent guys, so there is nothing to be afraid of.
Strike For The South
12-31-2007, 01:33
Step 3: Don't listen to a slightly effeminate overweight Frenchman who spent his early 20s dabbling in gay fetish pornography
Edit: He's right
Sasaki Kojiro
12-31-2007, 01:51
I think this is the saddest thread I've ever read...from the people too scared of women to talk to them all the way to those who are so scared of them they have to reduce them to acronyms, make up a bunch of rules and theories, and "hunt" them. It's all just insecurity.
The sad thing is dissing what you don't even understand. ;)
Louis VI the Fat
12-31-2007, 02:20
Step 3: Don't listen to a slightly effeminate overweight Frenchman who spent his early 20s dabbling in gay fetish pornographyThat's me alright! :beam:
But hey, I get away with it. For reasons utterly beyond my comprehension people consistently mistake me for sophisticated. Especially girls. Even more especially, American girls. All I need is the accent thingy. And some over the top effeminate manners, which they invariably mistake for classic refinement and finesse. Fantastic. Man, I can talk about her melons all night long and she'll still mistake me for a great catch.
It worked wonders on your sister too. ~;p
Somebody Else
12-31-2007, 02:55
If dating was an FPS. Sinan would be the gatling weilding heavy weapons dude laying down lots of cover fire, penetrating lots of enemies and blooding quite a few... and magically avoiding the altar er shotgun wedding er return fire.
The nice guy is the sniper who goes for one or two... he just has to remember to stay up with the pack...
So... uh... who's the guy who runs in slashing with a knife/crowbar/axe/spoon?
Strike For The South
12-31-2007, 03:02
That's me alright! :beam:
But hey, I get away with it. For reasons utterly beyond my comprehension people consistently mistake me for sophisticated. Especially girls. Even more especially, American girls. All I need is the accent thingy. And some over the top effeminate manners, which they invariably mistake for classic refinement and finesse. Fantastic. Man, I can talk about her melons all night long and she'll still mistake me for a great catch.
It worked wonders on your sister too. ~;p
So you're into 300lb buck toothed chicks eh?
Still, I've decided to make a change so I've started to work-out (mens sana in corpore sano, as we latinists say ;) ), check out organizations (hobbies and the like, I'm thinking of taking up swordfighting, since it always seemed to be a fascinating sport to me and possibly dancing, which has the added benefit that women tend to love a man who can dance adequately ;) ) and take speech therapy lessons, since I tend to speak very fast and tend to swallow consonants, so by taking therapy I hope to increase my confidence in public speaking.
Anyway, we will just have to see how things will go. :)
CONGRATULATIONS to you mate ! You're one of the brave who's realised something ain't happening and you've decided to do something about it. My respect to you. If you don't like the gym just stick with outdoor activities as you are. BTW loads of hot babes at the gym though. You could kill two birds with one stone. Dancing is good in that regard, as you rightly pointed out as well.
If you need anything from me, gimme a shout. Have a reading list that's pretty damm long, about 2 years worth. David D is sound, I like Juggler too, they're the most "natural".
I don't think these studied methods work for the game-virgins here.
A nice guy asking a girl for a cup of coffee, a dinner, a date - nothing wrong about it. Girls expect guys to ask them. What's the worst that can happen? If you have the hots for a girl, at school, university, at work - then don't drag it on for months. You'll let the moment pass.
Second tip, following up on the first - let her know! Tell her that your interest is physical!!
Don't be a wimp, be passionate. Girls want to be swept of their feet.
But pray, do get your timing right. Oh, and if she isn't interested, she isn't, and make a graceful exit.
To summarize - go up to that girl you fancy, have a chat, make it clear what your intentions are, and she'll let you know. It is not that difficult, and most girls are actually pretty nice to decent guys, so there is nothing to be afraid of.
These are good tips. Simplest way I guess, and the most common way.
The methods I described are proven to work on most women, and they will work for virgins. What I have seen is not the only proof of that, there are large movements of men on self improvement programmes worldwide who can attest to that.
Just yesterday, I met a 24 year old virgin, through a project I've started to help guys get more successful with women. We spent about 2 hours together, I told him what he needs to do, basics => false disqualifier, show no initial interest unless she does first, be interesting, when she shows interest get her to invest, qualify her, escalate physically, remove her from the group, then go more intimate... basically, without too much details. I wanted him to do the work himself. He only wanted me to give him a strategy, encourage him on and rescue the situation if needed. I walked up to 3 women in the cafe, of which was one he'd expressed desire in (the hottest one of course), and started a conversation. He joined us when I waved him in, after another hour he left with his choice to "take a walk outside". He made out with her, got her number and invited her out on New Year's, she accepted. The problem with this guy was he was too afraid to make a move by himself. With me around he felt more comfortable, since he knew I could rescue the situation if need be. He didn't feel comfotable to say this to his friends because all of them were like him, and all of them had no idea where to start. All who are with someone are also in monogamous relationships. I'm eager to hear what happened, he's a hospital worker, she's a teacher. Match made IMO, I think they're going to be together for while. Let's see... maybe not.
You can use any method you wish, whatever works for you. There is no rule which says you have to do it like this. There are many methods to pursue. One thing is clear if you declare interest before the female does, before she is interested in you. You are chasing her. It is a way, but this is not my way, because if you start by chasing her, she is the prize, just like every other guy thinks. You want to chase her... BUT... AFTER she shows her interest in you very clearly. If you chase her first.. well... welcome to the club. Everyone else is chasing her. You absolutely should state your interest but only as a reward for her interest in you. You should tell her stuff to heat her up, but later, not immediately. As you said timing is essential. This way she feels like she earned your interest and she's worth your sexual desire. She feels much better about herself. Women do not value guys who come too easy. In relationship terms, respect and trust are fundamental.
Slug For A Butt
12-31-2007, 03:22
I voted 0 because my wife would kill me if I didn't. She's not sharp enough to realise that she's included. So yes.. the answer has to be 0. :sweatdrop:
Sinan :inquisitive: You met up with a 24 year old MALE virgin? :inquisitive: ?
Something you want to let us know? (I didn't even know that species existed, let alone have a repressed chat with it)
HAHA !
Yours is the 100th vote and that brings us to 64% having 0-3 partners till now.
Slug For A Butt
12-31-2007, 03:31
If I change my user name I could give you an answer that is realistic rather than what my wife wants to see.
But seeing as she may inadvertantly visit here, I'm a 36 year old married virgin with 2 children(you don't see many of them do you?)
So Sinan "Jackson", tell us more about the milkshake you shared with a 24yr old "male" virgin? :inquisitive:
Holey Moley!!!!! I just checked and realised that most people here are virgins!!! Maybe we should start a poll about who has discovered masturbation yet? I discovored it before I had sex too so let's all vote freely.
LOL !
Yeah I met up with a 24 year old MALE virgin. Met him on another forum asking for help. Since I'm in the same city, I offered. I don't mind inexperienced wingmen, as long as they're good natured, driven and honest. Did you read the rest of this thread ? he's not the only one. I'm not dissing it btw, nor am I putting it down. IMO it takes courage to go for what you want, and if a guy is 24 and he says he needs help to get laid well at least he's making an effort.
Boyar Son
12-31-2007, 04:04
LOL !
Yeah I met up with a 24 year old MALE virgin. Met him on another forum asking for help. Since I'm in the same city, I offered. I don't mind inexperienced wingmen, as long as they're good natured, driven and honest. Did you read the rest of this thread ? he's not the only one. I'm not dissing it btw, nor am I putting it down. IMO it takes courage to go for what you want, and if a guy is 24 and he says he needs help to get laid well at least he's making an effort.
24 eh?
virgin eh?
:yes:
Slug For A Butt
12-31-2007, 04:09
LOL !
Yeah I met up with a 24 year old MALE virgin. Met him on another forum asking for help. Since I'm in the same city, I offered. I don't mind inexperienced wingmen, as long as they're good natured, driven and honest. Did you read the rest of this thread ? he's not the only one. I'm not dissing it btw, nor am I putting it down. IMO it takes courage to go for what you want, and if a guy is 24 and he says he needs help to get laid well at least he's making an effort.
T'was a joke Sinan. No offence intended.
Mind you, sounds like Boyars Son has a problem with it. Big up to the ladies man. :laugh4:
Boyar Son
12-31-2007, 04:27
Sry to double post
but I have no edit and I didnt mean whack of as in go away:no: . hes 24 after all~D
Boyar Son
12-31-2007, 04:30
T'was a joke Sinan. No offence intended.
Mind you, sounds like Boyars Son has a problem with it. Big up to the ladies man. :laugh4:
This coming from someone who's scared of his own wife:laugh4:
HAHA ! :laugh4:
No problem guys, no offence taken. ~D
Evil_Maniac From Mars
12-31-2007, 05:00
This coming from someone who's scared of his own wife:laugh4:
:dizzy2:
You'll learn someday...
:laugh4:
Boyar Son
12-31-2007, 05:03
:dizzy2:
You'll learn someday...
:laugh4:
to be scared of saying how many partners you had on the net because you wife might catch you? ~:rolleyes:
Greetings men !
I think the purpose of this thread has basically been fulfilled. 100 votes are decent, and the figures speak for themselves.
I hope the information & advice I have posted here will help those men who wish to advance in their relationships with women.
If anyone needs any pointers or help with seduction, courtship or (multiple) relationships let me know.
Always practice safe sex and always leave the woman better than when you met her.
Be kind to God's greatest gift to man.
Those who are in Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg contact me if you wish to be part of Project Brabo.
If you are in other parts of the world but will be in Europe, contact me and we may be able to hook up anyway.
For those of you in the Middle East, Project Dubai is the premiere lair in the Middle East.
Shiekh is the group leader. This lair has great knowledgeable and focused men including ACE, ST and Talal (a Saudi!).
You are absolutely assured to learn a lot about women from them. This group has their own mansion, with swimming pool, jacuzzi and all, 5-10 minutes drive from venues that are hot with the classiest women in Dubai, and from around the world. Celebrity supermodels included.
If you feel there are things in your life you would rather change, don't hesitate. Go for it !
There are movements for improving your skills with women in all major cities in the world.
Good luck men & my best wishes for a better you !
SALUTE !
FactionHeir
12-31-2007, 11:07
I told him what he needs to do, basics => false disqualifier, show no initial interest unless she does first, be interesting, when she shows interest get her to invest, qualify her, escalate physically, remove her from the group, then go more intimate... basically, without too much details. I wanted him to do the work himself. He only wanted me to give him a strategy, encourage him on and rescue the situation if needed. I walked up to 3 women in the cafe, of which was one he'd expressed desire in (the hottest one of course), and started a conversation. He joined us when I waved him in, after another hour he left with his choice to "take a walk outside". .
I think the question for many of us really is, how do you tell that she is interested (and not just staring back because you are) and not actually looking at someone behind you or next to you (especially if you aren't currently speaking to her)
If people are watching you they start sitting in the same way you do.
Hi FH!
I was going to stop posting in this thread but as you've asked I'm very happy to oblige.
Interest levels vary, but even the slightest thing can be an indicator of interest. Most men miss these signs, as our father's never taught us this and we're not used to making the deduction when we have to. If you pay attention to her body language she will give clues, she will communicate with you subconciously. BEWARE: she can also play you, by giving you fake indicators of interest, to keep your interest aroused.
Non verbal ques assuming she's looking at you, some of these are indicators of interest, some are postures the female assumes to make herself more attractive. These postures can also be indicators of interest since she's making herself more attractive to someone, hopefully you. Some of these are body language ques, which she's emitting subconciously. She doesn;t know that she's doing it.
Dilated pupils
Facial expression (whole page can be written about this), she's looking at you with a positive vibe => approach invitation, go talk to her
Eye contact (whole page topic)
Eye expression - the look in the eye (hungry, sexy, liking, wanting, happy, encouraging, bedroom...)
Holds eye contact just a second longer than you or more than she needs to.
Dazed deer in headlights look
Mirrors posture
Puppy dog look (when a puppy wants food)
Locks eye contact does not look away, if she does she looks away because she has to.
Locks eye contact if looks away, looks away downwards and to the left (typical Asian thing)
Reveals parts of her body, raises skirt, unbuttons blouse, parts thighs
Touches, flicks or "fixes" her hair
Sticks her buttocks out, or to the side
Pushes her breasts up by "inflating" them (hope that makes sense)
Straightens posture leaning towards you slowly and delberately
Takes longer breaths
Touches her neck
Touches or brushes her breasts
When you look at her body or at her, she starts looking at herself quickly (she's making sure she looks good for you)
If she touches parts of her body slowly, deliberately, subconcious move relfecting what she wants you to do
Smiling at you (most common approach invitation. Smile at her, if she smiles back... IMMEDIATELY walk up to her and start talking, say anything "How would I look if I color my hair pink?", but start talking)
Laughing or giggling a lot
Looks at you sideways while facing away from you (this is a very HIGH priority signal, she's trying to sneak peek you)
One of her feet/legs are pointed towards you, while the body is faced away
Looks over the shoulder (see babe thread Shakespeare "gilded cage tatoo girl"), with a slightly raised shoulder
Lips are pouty, mouth is slightly open as if you were about to kiss
Leans towards you
Licks her lips
Bites bottom lip, pulling it slightly into her mouth
Stands or appears in proximity to you after eye contact (she wants you to start talking to her)
Open body language, no crossed arms, body away from you etc..
Locked eyes, she can't look at anything else but you
Every time you look in her direction she turns to look at you, meets your gaze
It's not necessary to have any approach invitation or indicator of interest from her, you can walk in and cold approach. Then you work her to like you. However if you have one indicator or one approach invitation, your job is already easier. The easiest way is to let her look your way, look back at her and give her the most sincere and genuine warm friendly smile you can, if she smiles back, immediately walk up to her without hesitation and say something.
I think that's all I can think of right now. I've certainly missed many. Book => "Definitive book of body language" by Allan & Barbara Pease.
Rodion Romanovich
12-31-2007, 11:58
Baroque perspective of this thread:
https://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4682/boschsevendeadlysinscx4.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
Rodion Romanovich
12-31-2007, 12:06
Antiquity's perspective:
CHAPTER I. OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF MEN AND WOMEN.
THE REASONS WHY WOMEN REJECT THE ADDRESSES OF MEN.
ABOUT MEN WHO HAVE SUCCESS WITH WOMEN, AND ABOUT
WOMEN WHO ARE EASILY GAINED OVER
THE wives of other people may be resorted to on the occasions already described in Part I, Chapter V, of this work, but the possibility of their acquisition, their fitness for cohabitation, the danger to oneself in uniting with them, and the future effect of these unions, should first of all be examined. A man may resort to the wife of another, for the purpose of saving his own life, when he perceives that his love for her proceeds from one degree of intensity to another. These degrees are ten in number, and are distinguished by the following marks:
· Love of the eye
· Attachment of the mind
· Constant reflection
· Destruction of sleep
· Emaciation of the body
· Turning away from objects of enjoyment
· Removal of shame
· Madness
· Fainting
· Death
Ancient authors say that a man should know the disposition, truthfulness, purity, and will of a young woman, as also the intensity, or weakness of her passions, from the form of her body, and from her characteristic marks and signs. But Vatsyayana is of opinion that the forms of bodies, and the characteristic marks or signs are but erring tests of character, and that women should be judged by their conduct, by the outward expression of their thoughts, and by the movements of their bodies.
Now as a general rule Gonikaputra says that a woman falls in love with every handsome man she sees, and so does every man at the sight of a beautiful woman, but frequently they do not take any further steps, owing to various considerations. In love the following circumstances are peculiar to the woman. She loves without regard to right or wrong, 1 and does not try to gain over a man simply for the attainment of some particular purpose. Moreover, when a man first makes up to her she naturally shrinks from him, even though she may be willing to unite herself with him. But when the attempts to gain her are repeated and renewed, she at last consents. But with a man, even though he may have begun to love, he conquers his feelings from a regard for morality and wisdom, and although his thoughts
are often on the woman, he does not yield, even though an attempt be made to gain him over. He sometimes makes an attempt or effort to win the object of his affections, and having failed, he leaves her alone for the future. In the same way, when a woman is once gained, he often becomes indifferent about her. As for the saying that a man does not care for what is easily gained, and only desires a thing which cannot be obtained without difficulty, it is only a matter of talk.
The causes of a woman rejecting the addresses of a man are as follows:
· Affection for her husband
· Desire of lawful progeny
· Want of opportunity
· Anger at being addressed by the man too familiarly
· Difference in rank of life
· Want of certainty on account of the man being devoted travelling
· Thinking that the man may be attached to some other person
· Fear of the man's not keeping his intentions secret
· Thinking that the man is too devoted to his friends, and has too great a regard for them
· The apprehension that he is not in earnest
· Bashfulness on account of his being an illustrious man
· Fear on account of his being powerful, or possessed of too impetuous passion, in the case of the deer woman
· Bashfulness on account of his being too clever
· The thought of having once lived with him on friendly terms only
· Contempt of his want of knowledge of the world
· Distrust of his low character
· Disgust at his want of perception of her love for him
· In the case of an elephant woman, the thought that he is a hare man, or a man of weak passion
· Compassion lest anything should befall him on account of his passion
· Despair at her own imperfections
· Fear of discovery
· Disillusion at seeing his grey hair or shabby appearance
· Fear that he may be employed by her husband to test her chastity
· The thought that he has too much regard for morality
Good post Roman.
The KamaSutra is something which does have sense in it. You can learn a lot from it, even today. Not only about sexual positions either. LOL it is funny though. What is the 1st image, it looks religious, and frightening.
For example, from the Kama Sutra, this is something which is largely true, even today (emphasis mine):
Men who will be fortunate with women
Men well versed in the science of love
Men skilled in telling stories
Men acquainted with women from their childhood
Men who have secured their confidence
Men who send presents to them
Men who talk well
Men who do things that they like
Men who have not loved other women previously
Men who act as messengers
Men who know their weak points
Men who are desired by good women
Men who are united with their female friends
Men who are good looking
Men who have been brought up with them (women)
Men who are their neighbours (women)
Men who are devoted to sexual pleasures, even though these be with their own servants
The lovers of the daughters of their nurse
Men who have been married late
Men who like picnics and pleasure parties
Men who are liberal
Men who are celebrated for being very strong (Bull men)
Enterprising and brave men
Men who surpass their peers in learning and good looks, in good qualities, and in liberality
Men whose dress and manner of living are magnificent
GOOD KARMA !
KukriKhan
12-31-2007, 13:10
That will wrap up this thread nicely then. Thanks for all contributions. :bow: I'm sure Sinan is available for private consultation via PM.
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