Christmas Mafia :) [Concluded]

[Charge]

That's why you were lynched.
Throwing accusations?

Why I doing it? Remember I haven't played many games to know all hidden rules. I'm just trying to point on person which acts suspicious and needs investigation etc. There were many people whom I considered 'guilty' - most of them werent after all, icluding you probably, but always I gave clear proof why I think suspicious of them. And it was only because I'm humble townie without inv. abilities. So far I have no proof about own guilt (except some yours not so convincing arguements, based on 'mafia did that sometime ago').
And I'm sure I still giving proofs with all my statements. But town is blind. I'm sure mafia lynched me, town - half lurks, half just watched and 'yes yes yes'...

Maybe after this game you will believe me more...



Why Andres you so sured about Kommodus? :inquisitive:
maybe it's a way of playing mafia games - not talking much, no explains,etc - but it's a worst way mind you.

[Andres]

I am not sure on CA guilt so I am going to go on the original theory of everyone getting one gift and I will

Give: CA

I feel that CA could be innocent. I would like to see what happens this round with everyone even.

Surely, you must have at least one suspect at this stage of the game...

If not CA then who should we lynch according to you?


Erm, Andres you do realize you are DEAD right?

Ah, I see :embarassed:

[taka]

are observers allowed to comment on anything? i think i might have found something worth noting....

[sapi]

are observers allowed to comment on anything? i think i might have found something worth noting....
No, only players may comment. Sorry ~:)

[FactionHeir]

You can PM me though :grin:

[taka]

bah >.<

ill be keeping a close eye on this one to see if anyone sees the same thing then kekeke...

[Northnovas]

Okay at this stage I will listen to the dead and
Take: CA
if that will protect everyone else for this round.

[sapi]

Voting ended, stand by for tally.

http://users.on.net/~purdsa/temp/mafiad5.png
CA has been lynched ~:)

It is now the night phase.

[Myrddraal]

are observers allowed to comment on anything? i think i might have found something worth noting....

Ditto. It's always the games you didn't sign up for you really wish you had. :sad:

[Andres]

Ditto. It's always the games you didn't sign up for you really wish you had. :sad:

Sign up for CDTC II. You won't regret it. The link is in my sig.

[FactionHeir]

I wish the dead people would comment on the code I posted on page 8...
Am I the only one working on it?

[Northnovas]

I wish the dead people would comment on the code I posted on page 8...
Am I the only one working on it?

Well I am not dead yet but I haven't any luck. Still trying!

[woad&fangs]

I'm trying to figure out the code but I don't have even the slightest clue.:dizzy2:

[shlin28]

Me too :dizzy2:

[Charge]

You wanna mislead us? Code cant mean anything other then its presence I'm sure..

[shlin28]

Sapi said we have all the info we need to catch the mafia, the only info there is is the codes... unless its the way the codes are destroyed that are important... :inquisitive:

[FactionHeir]

The only thing he was willing to divulge:

The only part of that that is code is the two three character blocks, ie XXX XXX. Any more I couldn't say ~:)

[Charge]

I think it tells us what Santa get from his investigation - means santa is ok currently, and from 4 try's, he spotted one mafioso (lump of coal). code just to fill empty place...

but again hmmm...

[FactionHeir]

Can't be.
Why would there have been code with the coal then?

[CountArach]

I'm gonna have another look at the code.

[FactionHeir]

Kommodus seems a lot more active in Omanes' game than here...

[Charge]

You seems a lot more active here than there :)

I think total lurking which currently is showed by Omanes and Tiberius only proves their innocence - mafioso need to actually vote for another mafioso or at least do something about it, dont you think?

Others shows at least for voting..

[FactionHeir]

Yeah, that's because being a townie over there is actually boring. Here we actually have a problem with the system and need to figure out the code. And quickly.

I'm surprised there's no WoG here though. Did Tiberius ever post at all after day1? On the other hand, lurkers might lurk until their mafia mate is being left empty...so far we have been giving the lurkers presents each turn.

[sapi]

I'm surprised there's no WoG here though. I may look into doing one on the basis of posting next round, but with this lynch model (where it can be in the town's best interests not to vote aimlessly) I think it would be a bit unfair to penalise those who haven't given presents :yes:

[sapi]

woad&fangs was sleeping soundly, alone in his bedroom. Well, alone for a while, anyway, at least until the furry green creature and his pet arrived. Tiptoeing to the entrance of the bedroom, the creature released an animal and pointed it in the direction of the bed.

Shortly afterward, the sea-sick crocodile had found its way to its target, and helpfully provided woad&fangs with some extra ventilation holes, to supplement his existing mouth, nose, and rectum.

The furry creature walked over to the body, extracted its heart, and turned to leave, making sure that its reliable pet was following all the while.

---

Walking over to the fireplace again, as he now made a point of doing every morning, sapi stuck his hand into the stocking that had appeared there overnight, removed (and began sucking on) the enclosed candy cane, and studied the note, which read, "W3F Q4G".

[Charge]

:wall:

oh well...

At least most of you were wrong as well (I'm not guilty).

EDIT: no worries town, I got an idea too ... :P

[FactionHeir]

W3F looks like w&f which is woad&fangs.
Hmmmmm do the mafia have to provide a kill list in advance?
In that case what's Q4G

9T8 YD8 843 G85 [Lump of Coal] Q5H 79D W3H QJ9 W3F Q4G

[Ayachuco]

It seems you're really desperate if you think that W3F would represent W&F.
If that's the case what about the other codes, I mean I don't see anyone with a Q5H in their name. And what about the one that is just numbers, 843.
Who would that be???
I've been pouring all my energy into these codes since I was killed and I've hadn't figured it out yet. I've tried codes and ciphers but there is just too many combinations and only one brain. If I continue to work on this, I might do a number 23 and found out that I've killed somebody. And why are there so many candy canes...you would think by now there would be another lump of coal. Unless what you're thinking is the codes represent the ppl who were killed and that lump of coal meant a mafioso was lynched/killed.

[Northnovas]

I like the candy cane - coal theory. Did one mafia get knocked off? The coal came on Draco's death. The others were candy canes. I can't see the codes being characters names. There seems to be a pattern most common characters 9 8 Q and W.
As for the codes I have tried different approaches that last being the phone pad but I have had no luck and I am sure it some easy system he is using.

[FactionHeir]

Hmmm what might or might not be interesting is that there are no 8s after the coal. They used to be in every set.
Qs in at least each double since the coal but never before.
Last two day phases started W3

[Andres]

There's also the possibility that these codes don't mean much.

What I do know is that Kommodus always appreciates it when the mafia puts some story or element into the write-up of the killings. I still remember how he really loved it when D_G and me were working towards a certain plot in our write-ups in Mafia VI.

:inquisitive:

[Charge]

well well,

just a FYI..

I'm a confirmed townie now :2thumbsup:
as everybody admitted there only 2 of them (creature and witch), so after my lynch (D4) on N4 acted witch which killed Andres; previous night killer was a creature. So that confirms my innocence and everybody's else who was lynched/killed before me.

[FactionHeir]

Btw, dayphase ends in 2 hours. No one has any gifts.

Gift: BSR, Tiberius, Northnovas

I think Andres might be right and since he was killed rather than lynched, I think we should lynch Kommodus.

Can someone gift stuff to:
Omanes, Lord Winter and myself?

[Andres]

EDIT: Can't give gifts; I'm dead...

[FactionHeir]

Andres.....I know you have good intentions, but....you know...

[Northnovas]

I am still not sure who is who but will go with the suggestion in the tight timelines.

Give: FactionHeir, Omanes, Lord Winter

[FactionHeir]

To be honest, I am quite worried that it could be one of the lurkers, but we got 4 of them and all have been active today and the past days but not here.

Lord Winter would be the most suspicious Lurker to me, but then again I don't have much in terms of evidence.

[sapi]

Stand by for lynch.

http://users.on.net/~purdsa/temp/mafiad6.png
Kommodus has been lynched.

It is now the night phase.

[Kommodus]

What the... :dizzy2:

I've been away from the .Org for a day or so, and now I've been lynched in abstentia. Well, that kinda sucks. :shrug:

I guess I'd better give my fellow townies the last piece of information I'm able to. The codes represent a keyboard cipher. To decipher each character, take the letter immediately beneath it on the keyboard. Then combine the two pieces together and reverse it.

For example:

W3F Q4G -> SEV ARB -> BRAVES
W3H QJ9 -> SEN AMO -> OMANES

The candy cane/coal thing, I assume, relates to an investigation result.

That's all I can say. Make of it what you will. :book:

[FactionHeir]

:oops:

Sorry for lynching you. I wasn't sure which of the lurkers would be guilty and its was down to NN, you and myself who were acually active... thanks for the code though, I'll start analysis and we'll avenge you :yes:

9T8 YD8 843 G85 [Lump of Coal] Q5H 79D W3H QJ9 W3F Q4G

D2: Ichigo
D3: Tiberius
D4: (coal) Count Arach (lynched)
D5: Omanes
D6: BSR

So those who have yet to be investigated:
Northnovas
Myself
Kommodus (dead ~:()
Lord Winter

Well and a bunch of others who were killed/lynched

And one is mafia....
Actually, since Northnovas tried to prevent CA's lynch, maybe its him?

[Charge]

CA was lynched after me, hmm...

[FactionHeir]

The stuff I posted above in regards to Dx refers to the investigation results we got after each night, not who was lynched on which day.

The good news is we got 3 confirmed townies alive still: Tiberius, Omanes and BSR. Well and myself but I haven't been investigated.
I'd recommend Santa if he is still alive to investigate either NN or Lord Winter to find out who the last mafia is. He could investigate me too instead so we can talk via PM...

[Charge]

I mean he isnt confirmed as innocent, yet, maybe after this night, but see this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1798290&postcount=258) ~:) smile then CA was lynched :D

Lord Winter or Northnovas....

[FactionHeir]

I mean he isnt confirmed as innocent yet, after this night can only, if he's innocent...

Would you mind putting this into legible English? :dizzy:

[Charge]

Yep, I'd say Nothnovas is another mafioso.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1792235&postcount=69
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1797910&postcount=245

This night will confirm CA's guilt (in any case if killer will be not witch),
so next round town should pay a visit to Northnovas...

if this all true, then Kommodus truly owned mafiosos this time :beam:
(I was first to name CA as mafioso though :grin2: )

[FactionHeir]

It seems that sapi didn't change the type of death when CA was lynched really, so that isn't very informative.

[Myrddraal]

Now that you've cracked the code (great job Kommodus), I'll say my bit. With ciphers and codes, they're often more easily solved if you have one known coded phrase. What I was itching to say was that if a townie asked Santa openly in the thread to investigate a named player, then the town would recieve the encoded name, and the code might have been more easily broken.

In hindsight however, that might not have been such a good suggestion, since sapi had added the complications of reversing the letter order and using a keyboard cipher.

So there you go, got that off my chest :wink:

[Charge]

Well, I was lynched on D4, Andres was killed by witch on N4;
CA was lynched on D5, on N5 acted creature and killed w&f;
D6 - Kommodus lynched, N6 - waiting for witch; if not, then --> I named first mafioso :D

Myrddraal: why not join Capo?
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[CountArach]

Wow - a guilty result on me hey? I'm shocked. Seriously. Shocked.

[FactionHeir]

Of course you are :grin:

[Lord Winter]

Factionheir Northovas and me. One dies tonight leaving the survivor and the mafia along which equals a mafia win.


I hope Kommodus was guillty or else we just lost.

[FactionHeir]

Why did we just lose?

We got 6 people alive, 1 dies tonight leaves 5 alive and 1 of them mafia. We just have to lynch the right guy next day phase.

[Northnovas]

Yep, I'd say Nothnovas is another mafioso.

I would say that I am has innocent has you. I am always a townie. I try to be active so I am not a lurker. I am innocent and be more then willing to be investigated.

Great job on the code ciphering Kommodus. I always thought you were innocent and was reluctant to not give you a gift. However, in the time constraints when I logged on FH pm me to see his post so I went along with his suggestions.
Now he accuses me of being mafia or at least be investiagted.


The good news is we got 3 confirmed townies alive still: Tiberius, Omanes and BSR. Well and myself but I haven't been investigated.

I am always a townie and the 4th one alive but FH always has some role in the mafia games I have been involved in.

PM someone to vote a certain way and then accuse them is .... how to you put it.... scummy.:shame:

[Lord Winter]

My bad miscounted

[sapi]

sapi woke - earlier than usual - and walked downstairs. Checking the fireplace, he was surprised to see that there was no stocking waiting for him. Ah well.

---

Town Victory!

Kommodus was the sole mafia. He was also santa, and if it's any consolation, I didn't manage to crack the codes either :laugh4:

Everyone else was a townie; thanks to all for playing ~:)

[Charge]

What?

but still I named mafioso :laugh4:

btw, how scummy am I now?

thanks for hosting sapi

[FactionHeir]

Heh so I guess I wasn't wrong in having him lynched?

Btw, how was he both Santa and Mafia and what were the stockings and code for then?

Great game sapi!

[Charge]

He tryed to confuse us with this, I think he succeed :wall:

btw, victory counts only if you alive, or not?

[Northnovas]

Yahoo another for the Townies!! I guess it shows how much I had figured out!:embarassed: Thanks for hosting sapi.

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[FactionHeir]

Can we lynch NN next?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Great game sapi, so thanks for hosting :bow:

I apologize for not being especially active throughout this game's duration. The different voting system overwhelmed me a little, so I felt that watching would be slightly easier than participating.

[sapi]

Heh so I guess I wasn't wrong in having him lynched?

Btw, how was he both Santa and Mafia and what were the stockings and code for then?

Great game sapi!
I made him both to counterbalance the fact that there was only one mafia (having two, as was rightly pointed out several times, would allow an automatic victory if they both gave 3 presents to each other).

The messages were meant to distract you; Kommo was allowed to provide the code. I couldn't manage to crack it myself - I didn't think of a keyboard cypher at all, let alone the reversal :laugh4:

The only parameters I gave him in that regard was that he was supposed to present 'investigation results' in a Christmas-y method that didn't make them immediately clear to the town. He may have overachieved with the second part :beam: (candy cane = innocent, coal = guilty if you were wondering)


btw, victory counts only if you alive, or not?Nah, it's still a minor victory for dead townies ~:)


Can we lynch NN next?If you wish :grin2:

[Northnovas]

That would be considered a political assasination now the game is over.:laugh4:

[woad&fangs]

Good game,
Well played Mr. Kommodus
Sorry Charge

[Kommodus]

Good game, town! Ya guys got me good. :bow:

Poor strategy and a lack of good suspects doomed me in the end. I was planning to put off revealing the code as long as possible, and I didn't think I would be lynched that last round, so I ended up putting it off for too long. :shame:

I felt that if I revealed myself to be Santa but wasn't killed, everyone would know I was guilty and lynch me. So I didn't want to do it until very near the end. I also thought that giving away the code would make my identity obvious - another mistaken assumption of mine!

I also didn't know the code would be so hard to crack. Originally I thought of using a simplistic keyboard cipher (simply replacing each letter in the name with the character above it on the keyboard) - but then I thought "Nah, they'll get that in minutes." So I added the following complications:

1. Only use first six letters of name.
2. Split results into two 3-character sections.
3. Reverse the whole thing.

Apparently that made it way too uncrackable; I'd say the simplistic keyboard cipher probably would've been more than difficult enough.

Leaving the last round's lynching to chance doomed this mediocre mafioso. Great game - especially you, Factionheir! You made the right choice and closed the book on this :evil: :santa:!

[shlin28]

Nice twist.

GG.

[Myrddraal]

1. Only use first six letters of name.

I think you were right to include this one. If you hadn't the code would have been cracked very quickly indeed. After a couple of codes, it would become clear that code length corresponds to name length, and then decoding would become easier.

Say you used only the keyboard cipher:

Given one code of length (for example) 6: Ichigo -> 8dy8r9

We know that the first and fourth letters must be the same, and it's a 6 letter name. It can only be ichigo, so we know the letters i,c,h,g and o.

Next code: rqd589hy384 = _ _ c _ i o _ h _ i _
This is can only be Factionheir, so we now know all the letters in his name, etc.

On the other hand, a limit of 6 letters does make it much more difficult, perhaps too difficult. I can't imagine I would have got it, even without the letters in reverse and it being split into two groups of three (though this was very confusing btw, it really made me think that the letters were grouped. I was trying to see if each 3 letter group represented one letter, and the pair would give initials corresponding to usernames :dizzy:).

Besides, you wanted people to crack the code, so on relection maybe the 6 letter limit was a bad idea.

[CountArach]

Now everyone knows why I was shocked about that guilty result on me :wink:

Well played Kommo and thanks sapi, it was a very enjoyable game.