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Jo_Beare
09-20-2002, 05:44
I am playing as the English when the Egyptian king dies with no heir. I then notice that Antioch is now under my control. WTF?
I am not anywhere near Antioch and the only time I was there was about fifty years ago I held it for a total of one turn. My king has high influence, but to have an Islamic province side with a Christian ruler because they held the province for one year out of the last 120 is a little absurd.
I figured it wouldn't take the Turks very long to figure out that Antioch was easy pickens, so I didn't build anything but trained a few peasants to keep my loyalty high.
Then the Egyptians respawn at the same time the Turks attack. I have a little over 300 troops while both of my adversaries have around 1000. Fortunately, the two decided to fight each other before attacking me which only left the Turks about 3 units with no general. I managed to beat the Turks and I ended up getting all the prisoners from both sides. My general got the Skilled defender and Skilled last stand virtues when the battle ended for beating over 2000 soldiers with 200 peasants about 50 camels, 60 UM, and a dozen nappy throwers.
I wasn't that lucky the next turn as my general "Sir Nur al-Din" was captured, but I paid the ransom for his return. I figured 1000 florin to be reasonable for a 7 command general with some nice defensive virtues. The only problem now is that he is the last man left in his unit and there is no way to get a camel warrior unit besides maybe bribery.
JoBeare
MajorPain
09-20-2002, 05:49
You must have during that time married an Egyptian princess. If you have a marriage with a faction that dies with no heirs you can claim some of that factions province and you got Antioch.
Gregoshi
09-20-2002, 06:12
According to eat cold steel's post in another thread, when rebels decide who they are going to be loyal to, they pick from all factions that held the province - even if only for one turn.
That must have been some one-night-stand in Antioch Jo_Beare. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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MajorPain:
Egypt does never ever get a princess, so he must have mistaken an emmi for a princess, and married her (ehhh ... him).
Eeewwwwhhh
You had Nur al-Din?!?!?!? COOL!!!
He was a great general fighting the Crusaders, and as far as I have understood he never lost a battle... And you got him. Does he have any other V&V's?
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Jo_Beare
09-20-2002, 17:35
I managed to get him killed by the Elmo-heads in Castile. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif I don't remember the other V&V except for being a drunk. I gave him the countship of one of my French provinces and he married one of the princesses, so it was like he was one of the family. He will be missed.
I am getting really good at getting high ranking generals killed in battle. I lost 8 command general about two years prior in Valencia. I must be learning my tricks from the computer.
JoBeare
Rosacrux
09-20-2002, 17:57
I think I'll agree with Dragon http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Jo_Baere, I feel your pain... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
I lost my undoubtedly best general in Aquitaine.
He had withstood four massive Almohad attacks getting the Virtue of Expert Defender +2 Command when defending giving him a massive Rank 10 on defence, on top of that he had Scant Mercy and several other good Virtues such as Legendary Warrior and Great Leader.
Then came the last and heaviest attack (I had just depleted his army by putting forces into a Crusade), it was 3500 against his 570. His men held until they were down to 83 men, he lost no whole unit. The enemies had used up all reinforcements.
So he was holed up in the Castle with his 83 men and the Almohad assaulted, but they lacked proper siege equipment (had killed it in the battle hehehe) so they attacked the gate with 1700 men. But a Castle is tough with catapults ballistas and arrowtowers en masse. So his 7 Feudal Sergeants (Valour 8) routed about 300 enemies alone he himself killed the enemy general in single combat (saw it as I had closed in on the fighting, it was so cool!) and in the end the Almohad lost about 1000 troops while they had not breached the first gate at all. I lost 16 men.
So obviously I thought my general would gain another great Virtue, perhaps he did, but he was a casualty in the siege, one of 6 who died of sickness and starvation.
DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!!! I loved the man! He did all what could be expected and then some, only to die in a siege!!! I was out of my mind! I had, like you, married a princess to him...
Naturally, I chrushed the Almohads within 10 years. The siege of Aquitaine proved to their highwater mark, now they are gone.
And naturally I executed every single man I could catch who had been part of the siegearmy, this have my secondbest general the Vice Merciless, but I wanted my revenge!
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BTW, Danish Crusades are true to history.
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Speedy Gonzales III
09-21-2002, 00:57
wasnt Nour-ed-Din the famous guy who basically destroyed the 2nd crusade? or am i wrong and is this a totally differt guy(that maybe never existed:O)
Wasn't it Salah al-din ibn Ayyubi (Saladin)who crushed the second crusade?
Speedy Gonzales III
09-21-2002, 03:16
hmmm, memory issues (me)
i really dont know:O
Jo_Beare
09-21-2002, 05:58
I think Nur al-Din was taken from "1001 Arabian Nights".
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/burt1k1/tale10.htm
JoBeare
Jo_Beare
09-21-2002, 06:20
Or it could be the legendairy leader that stopped the second crusade as evidenced here.
http://www.umich.edu/~eng415/timeline/summaries/second_crusade.htm
It must be a common name like John Smith.
JoBeare
Speedy Gonzales III
09-21-2002, 13:11
"Upon the arrival of Nur al-Din (Nureddin) and his forces, the crusaders gave up their siege, ending the Second Crusade"
its the same mofo
Quote Originally posted by Dawood:
Wasn't it Salah al-din ibn Ayyubi (Saladin)who crushed the second crusade?[/QUOTE]
Saladin reconquered the holy lands from the christians
Nur ad-Din was the ruler of the Syrians-- who competed with the Egypto-Arabians for control of the Holy Land during the time of the First Crusade. The Syrian/Arabian conflict is not in MTW (maybe something for modders to work on). The Egypto-Arabians actually hired the Franks under King Amalric to help them fight the Syrians (middle east politics never change).
The Moslems in the Holy Land were united under Saladin-- the nephew of one of Nur ad-Din's generals. After his uncle staged a coup and became the Vizier of Egypt, Saladin inherited the title.
(double post)
[This message has been edited by dancho (edited 09-21-2002).]
The Illustrated Man
09-21-2002, 23:32
Nur ad-Din... didn't he marry Elsie Tanner?
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Rocket_Boy
09-22-2002, 02:15
Read the game manual where it says about getting high rank kings who correspond to historical master generals.
"... or al-Nasir I of Egypt (better known as Saladin"
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