View Full Version : KotR Out of character thread XIX
Ramses II CP
03-04-2008, 22:23
I kind of think of the O&R thread as more appropriate when I can't be present in the room with a person, as when I'm at sea but need to have a discussion or something. I'd be fine with either way though. :shrug:
:egypt:
As long as it's all going on in one place, it doesn't make that much of a difference right now. I have a few suggestions on thread organization for the next game, but they'll be posted with the rest of my commentary when KOTR is done.
AussieGiant
03-04-2008, 22:56
Arnold's "name calling skill" are just starting to heat up and now I have to go to bed. Damn.
Have a nice night chaps and if it all goes bottoms up in the Orders thread someone wake me. :2thumbsup:
I'm guilty of seeing the Orders thread as the place for discussions between Diets (although Andreas has been trying to stay out of things). I didn't even realize until fairly recently that you could post in the Diet between sessions. :oops:
EF That mod looks awesome. If I can fix the problem I've been having downloading large files in time, I'll join that game.
:balloon2: Happy Birthday GH! :balloon2:
_Tristan_
03-05-2008, 16:47
I've updated my two last battle reports for Paris and Caen 1370
First, Paris to be found here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1843546&postcount=269)
then the Lovecraft inspired Death of King Emery (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1843553&postcount=270)
Ramses II CP
03-05-2008, 17:05
Good stuff Tristan! Man, when those French fall to heresy, they really fall to heresy! :yes:
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-05-2008, 17:07
I really like the Lovercraft references Tristan.
Well done.
I also realised I should have done something like this in developing the Dread aspect of Arnold...oh well.
_Tristan_
03-05-2008, 17:12
Glad you liked the stories... The fights were inspiring... Mainly the way the King's bodyguard were arranged in the courtyard of the citadel as in prayer... That lead me to thinking of some kind of cult... Cult lead to Lovecraft and there you are...
Cthulhu by torchlight...:2thumbsup:
I just realized that in Capo II I have personally killed 3 KOTR players, aided in the lynching of a 4th, and will certainly be the indirect, if not direct, cause of a 5th death eventually. Sorry guys, I swear it's coincidence.
that 5th better not be me...
LOL, no, that would be gibson, though I suspect he may live long enough to take the boat to Havana like the extraneous mafia did in Capo I.
gibsonsg91921
03-06-2008, 02:12
haha Havana sounds pimped out to me
Cecil XIX
03-06-2008, 03:54
I have decided to quit KOTR. I'd been staying on first out of sense of loyalty to Becker, and just recently I convinced myself that I would have fun playing a fairly decent role in the civil war. But I realized that those uber-stacks of Poles are not going to go away when the Reich turns against itself. And since Becker is going to be fighting the AI for the rest of his life, I've decided it's better to just quit now and get it over with.
This shouldn't require any great change to the narrative we've been planning, just have Becker die in the current siege and Fritz can take it from there.
I'll see you guys at the debriefing.
gibsonsg91921
03-06-2008, 03:56
Aww... Cecil. You joined about the same time as me, I remember. I was Ehrhart von Mahren and you were my dear Siggy. We'll all miss you - this is unexpected indeed.
edit: that Emperor Peter the Tyrant had to be RPed somehow, OK, can't Matthias give me a break!?!?
Ramses II CP
03-06-2008, 04:15
Argh, doncha want to lift the siege one last time and let me take you into custody? I'll keep you alive and away from the Poles, promise. :yes:
:egypt:
Ramses II CP
03-06-2008, 04:36
Okay, so, assuming Cecil doesn't have a change of heart (Becker will be missed!) I'd like some kind of semi-definitive answer about the fate of the bohemian mercenary and the trial. We just kind of glossed over the extermination of Prague for story purposes, but if Becker dies there this is going to be a pretty insurmountable problem for him. Without him, there's no trial, which suits Fritz just fine, but is it the direction we want the story to go in?
If I advance the turn we can always get to the siege of Prague and deal with it from there. I'd be happy to have Fritz ride to Prague's rescue using some variation of the teleport clause and then take Becker and the Bohemian prisoner (i.e. defending the siege first) for his own purposes.
Who can make this kind of decision?
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-06-2008, 10:08
Cecil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Please please please please...I'll send you canon, men, butter, small donkey's...anything.
Fight the good fight my friend...the Poles, they need a man like you!! They need to be punished for their sins and, for simply being in the game. Econ's IS a sadistic bastard but he has great intentions.
PLUS, you're blowing Austria wide open man...and I mean wide open.
I saddens me greatly that people are beginning to see KOTR as a chore instead of a game. I've been trying to move the game towards a place where it can be ended in a satisfactory manner, if people so choose. However, that is proving to be more difficult than I originally expected. I would like to make the following proposal:
1) We assume the trial was completed and Lothar was found guilty.
2) I will make a few posts, declaring Lothar unwilling to submit to the verdict. Other people are free to respond to these as appropriate.
3) We ask every KOTR player to pick a side: Imperial, Illuminati, or Neutral. We should even PM the inactive players (such as Stuperman) to make sure no one misses out on something they might want to participate in.
4) econ21 sets up a tabletop battle involving the Imperial and Illuminati sides. The site of the battle, the complete makeup of the armies, and all other battle-type things are left up to econ21 to figure out.
5) The side which wins the battle gets to write the epilogue to KOTR.
_Tristan_
03-06-2008, 14:09
Although a bit of a late comer to the game, I feel sorry to have it end like this...
I hope this will nevertheless be some kind of apotheosis
FactionHeir
03-06-2008, 14:21
I'm not sure if we need to end the game just yet. There is definitely still potential in it.
Ramses II CP
03-06-2008, 14:44
Given the activity level as opposed to the size of our empire I think we're at a good place to wrap things up. Obviousy every front that has active commanders can advance, our finances are such that we can replace armies despite the heavy losses from the improved AI forces, and even the Timurids should really only present difficulties in terms of our number of players.
I think TC's idea is a good one. We're at the point where the part I enjoy the most, the story created between the players, is coming through haphazardly because of slackening interest and activity. Except for Tristan's highly enjoyable handling of the French heresy, a crusade passed through Europe without leaving much of a shudder. The extermination of Prague and Dijon came and went in near silence. The arrival of the Timurids was similarly 'eh.'
Life sneaks up on us all, so it's not like anyone is to blame for losing interest (Especially going straight from the plague to Fritz the pile driver), but while I question if there are enough of us left to get to the victory condition, I'm sure there are plenty to bang out a great finale.
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-06-2008, 14:55
:-(
Now I'm really not "digging" this type of situation.
My mood will swing for sure, but right now I feel like packing up my stuff and leaving the sandpit.
We can debrief unofficially but it's getting a little "canned" or "artificial" right now for an "in game" ending.
_Tristan_
03-06-2008, 14:55
I would agree that if the game has to end, it mus at least end in a big blast of PvP free-for-all...
The better to start the next game...:2thumbsup:
FactionHeir
03-06-2008, 17:49
Life sneaks up on us all, so it's not like anyone is to blame for losing interest (Especially going straight from the plague to Fritz the pile driver)
I dunno, but I think its good to have an aggressive chancellor that knows how to manage an empire well and makes the player faction much more powerful during his term. It would be silly to limit yourself in your management just to draw out the game IMO.
_Tristan_
03-06-2008, 18:16
I would agree with FH : being able to fight the "uber-stacks" in challenging but still winnable fights demands a fine-tuned management and drive that Fritz (or Ramses or both) showed..
But I know what some might think about facing those stacks, I've been there... It is what led me to join...
Interactivity between players and a challenging but not impossible game...
True, the game has slowed down on the "fight between factions" (or duchies) perhaps because some of the newest players (me among them) cannot relate to events that happened long before they joined and are not part of their avatar's history...
Ramses II CP
03-06-2008, 19:17
I'm glad you guys are enjoying it, and it's fun to run an empire where the results of a battle are reported rather than personally achieved, but obviously the aggressive nature of Chancellor Fritz wasn't universally beloved. :laugh4:
:egypt:
This situation reminds me of the Ugandan President's defence of selling off the national airline: when your grandfather is dead, you are sad, but you bury him.
Regretfully, I think it is time to bring this PBM to a close. Participation has been slipping since the cataclysm and, to use TCs expression, even I find myself regarding particpating in KOTR as something of a chore.
I take AussieGiant's point that an IC ending now feels rather abrupt and canned. TC and I had hoped that the story of the Bohemian deserter would allow a climactic civil war to erupt more organically. Ironically the Becker investigation/trial effectively kicked the planned storyline into the long grass. In a way, that made sense in terms of IC politics: handing hot potatoes to a commission or something to report on is a standard political ploy and anyway, with no side having a clear advantage, who would want a civil war so soon after the cataclysm? However, it was exactly the opposite of what we wanted OOC.
Nonetheless, given where we are now, TinCow's proposal seems the best way to end this. The Illuminati machinations have provided the most persistent undercurrent in the game and it would be interesting to see that story line brought into the open and concluded, either in victory or defeat for the secret order. A PvP battle will take a while to resolve, so we will have time to say our farewells to characters. And the event will also give those who want to participate, a chance to experience something they may not have had the opportunity to join up until now.
I would second TinCow's proposals exactly as they stand in their current form. My only rider is that I am going to be on reserve duty starting from Sunday, with no access to M2TW until the following Sunday. Without M2TW, I will not be able to umpire a PvP battle, as I rely heavily on the game to resolve the combats.
So what I suggest is that Ramses carries on until I am back. Autoresolve the Becker battle and we play on until the end of Fritz's term in the normal fashion. For story purposes, the Bohemian mercenary has been sent safely away before the siege. Then a week this Sunday, we do what TC said we should do. We say a trial was held and Lothar found guilty. Fritz and the Kaiser go to arrest him. Lothar defies them. Both sides rally their allies. We will play it out as a tabletop battle like Bern. The forces involved will be abstract (unrelated to what stacks are on the campaign map) and balanced. May be the best man win and all that.
FactionHeir
03-06-2008, 22:03
Meh, why balanced. Me thinks its more fun and realistic to have a certain amount of units contributed per elector, so whicever side has more electors starts with somewhat of an advantage :grin:
I think it would be a shame for it to end after all this time, and how would we incorporate so many players into the replacement?
I think it would be a shame for it to end after all this time, and how would we incorporate so many players into the replacement?
Mod the game to allow recruitable generals from the lowest level of city and castle walls and give them 0 recruitment cost. It'll take a few turns to spawn them all, but it's doable.
but then we'd have a fairly large advantage. Will the new game be played on a mod or anything?
Eh, not the time or place to discuss that IMO. Let's give KOTR a proper send off first.
Ramses II CP
03-06-2008, 23:06
I tend to agree with FH that it shouldn't be balanced (Am I saying that as a member of the larger group? :inquisitive: ) too closely. How often has skill alone decided victory in the field, especially in a civil war? Assign the levies and let the chips fall where they may by elector preference.
I'd personally also favor giving Cecil a chance to participate in the big finale as well, and I'd be happy to fight any sieges of Prague for him to get him to that point. I kind of have a vibe that Fritz and I pushed Becker and Cecil out the door, and that's definitely not the way I wanted things.
Of course if Cecil isn't interested in the PvP extravaganza that's cool too. :shrug: There's still plenty of time in the defensive time limit, and if we get in too big a hurry I won't still be Chancellor, as little as that may end up mattering, at the end. :laugh4:
:egypt:
gibsonsg91921
03-07-2008, 00:11
I'm ready for a PvP extravaganza - in all honesty, I've been trying to get Péter killed for a reboot starting with that battle I closely won as Prinz in Franconia against the Poles.
I was hoping the investigation and trial would be played out a bit, especially considering the effect it could have on players picking sides. :no:
Ah well, to the great PVP battle we go! :charge:
My original recommendation on the armies was that each person gets a force that is suitable to their rank and situation. Counts get more units than Electors. Dukes and Viceroy get more than Counts. Chancellor and Kaiser get more than Dukes. Then toss in a bit of individual flavor as appropriate: A few Crusader type units for the guys from Outremer. Imperial Knights for the Kaiser alone. Flemish Pikemen for von Bohmen. Heavier on the Mercs for Fritz... that kind of thing.
If the sides end up unbalanced as a result of this, so be it. It's a war, it's not meant to be fair.
gibsonsg91921
03-07-2008, 00:34
Okay, I choose the side of the Illuminati.
No, seriously. I'm dead serious. Don't you trust me? Alright, Péter will take the side of Péter. You got me. I had you going there. At least I managed to make you kill 15 seconds.
Cecil XIX
03-07-2008, 06:00
I'd personally also favor giving Cecil a chance to participate in the big finale as well, and I'd be happy to fight any sieges of Prague for him to get him to that point. I kind of have a vibe that Fritz and I pushed Becker and Cecil out the door, and that's definitely not the way I wanted things.
Of course if Cecil isn't interested in the PvP extravaganza that's cool too. :shrug: There's still plenty of time in the defensive time limit, and if we get in too big a hurry I won't still be Chancellor, as little as that may end up mattering, at the end. :laugh4:
:egypt:
If everyone doesn't mind, I would like to participate in the final battle if it's as Tincow described. Internal power struggles are the bread and butter of KOTR, after all.
AussieGiant
03-07-2008, 08:53
If everyone doesn't mind, I would like to participate in the final battle if it's as Tincow described. Internal power struggles are the bread and butter of KOTR, after all.
Nice one Cecil!!! :2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
03-07-2008, 09:27
My original recommendation on the armies was that each person gets a force that is suitable to their rank and situation. Counts get more units than Electors. Dukes and Viceroy get more than Counts. Chancellor and Kaiser get more than Dukes. Then toss in a bit of individual flavor as appropriate: A few Crusader type units for the guys from Outremer. Imperial Knights for the Kaiser alone. Flemish Pikemen for von Bohmen. Heavier on the Mercs for Fritz... that kind of thing.
If the sides end up unbalanced as a result of this, so be it. It's a war, it's not meant to be fair.
Now I wish I had been granted a title...:wall:
Now I wish I had been granted a title...:wall:
The battle hasn't started yet. Go find your Duke.
GeneralHankerchief
03-07-2008, 14:20
Technically, Herrmann doesn't have a County either... :juggle2:
FactionHeir
03-07-2008, 14:40
So right before the battle there's mass promotions and Count's armies rising up from nowhere? :laugh4:
Ramses II CP
03-07-2008, 14:42
Okay, I'll fight the battle at Prague and then it'll be Duke Dieter's turn.
One further problem, mini-Econ is going to be under siege at Hamburg by the Russians, with zero chance of a favorable auto-calc.
I'll have a save up in a few hours.
:egypt:
Technically, Herrmann doesn't have a County either... :juggle2:
How about I make him Count of Fatlington? Surely its imaginary nature won't make a difference to anyone.
FactionHeir
03-07-2008, 14:47
Okay, I'll fight the battle at Prague and then it'll be Duke Dieter's turn.
I don't think you could fight the battle manually according to the rules. econ was quite clear on this.
GeneralHankerchief
03-07-2008, 14:49
How about I make him Count of Fatlington? Surely its imaginary nature won't make a difference to anyone.
Oh, I can see this inter-subforum warfare isn't going to end well at all... :laugh4:
I do have something of an advantage in this subforum, since here I really am your daddy. Don't make me spank you.
_Tristan_
03-07-2008, 15:07
The battle hasn't started yet. Go find your Duke.
Duke ? Which Duke ?
I have asked about receiving some reward for my service some time ago but the Duke seems to have gone deaf as well as loony...
Ramses II CP
03-07-2008, 16:26
Understood re:Prague, I'll talk to Cecil about it.
I'd really hate to lose Hamburg and the Prinz as well. Since two turns are likely to pass I will try a sally or something, see if I can delay the AI's assault. Depends on the odds though, I think that Russian army is pretty good.
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-07-2008, 18:15
You're going to have to lose them Ramses...that's what I had to do.
If Cecil wants to take part in the PvP battle, I'd be inclined to bend the rules to allow Becker to survive (i.e. let Ramses fight it for him). The alternative is to let Becker die and have Cecil participate in the PvP battle wearing a different hat, which does not seem so satisfying. At this point in the proceedings, I don't see that much virtue in sticking too rigidly by the rules.
On another matter, clearly Cecil's withdrawal highlights the issue Overknight raised about how we strike a balance between spawning armies that provide a challenge for some players but are not beyond the comfort zone of others. I am not sure there is an easy answer to that, although some OOC private communication might be part of the answer (e.g. Cecil to econ: "give me a break!")
On Prinz Dieter, if the battle comes up before Sunday morning, it can be handled manually. Even if it comes after, something should be possible as it is me who is going away not mini-econ (the only thing is that the downloading and uploading of games is something I have done for him, but he could be taught how).
EDIT: On balance, I agree a perfect balance might be dull and negate interesting in character political recruitment. I guess the main point is that I won't take army strengths directly from the campaign map, so people should not worry about trying to snag a big stack. The principles that the side with more players should have more men and that higher rank generals get more men are fine. But it will be no fun having a very lop-sided battle.
Ramses II CP
03-07-2008, 20:03
Do we want to wait for Cecil to sign off on it explicitly, or does his post above constitute agreement? I fought the battle to test it after I advanced the turn, and I can upload a save anytime. I should mention that I wasn't making any special effort to win, so the AI broke through the gates and Fritz Becker died in the fight there, but it was still a victory in the end.
:egypt:
Cecil XIX
03-07-2008, 22:07
I do wish to fight the battle. I won't be able to do it for another twenty-four hours or so, so I suggest we use that time to decide how the KOTR Finale will work.
Ramses II CP
03-07-2008, 22:36
Works for me, though that's about at the 48 hour defensive battle limit. EF will be up after that at Madgeburg, and then the offensive season will start.
I'd expect, since quite a few of the top people in the Reich are suspected of Illuminati membership but most of the younger, lower positioned people aren't, that the battle won't be too lopsided. I guess we'll see how the neutrals fall out first though.
:egypt:
OverKnight
03-08-2008, 11:16
The History should now be up to date. Feel free to double-check.
Sorry for the delay, but between travel and a nasty bug I picked up, I've been wiped out. I've only managed one snarky post in the Diet, I should be doing better. :laugh4:
AussieGiant
03-08-2008, 11:43
Hi OK,
Good to hear you are well again.
The history looks great.
OverKnight
03-10-2008, 01:43
Stupid Timurids, God forbid they fight anyone besides us. :furious3:
Man, I wish we had time to fight them, it would mean I've fought against all the hordes.
Edit: Wait, there is a fifth Tim stack torn all to hell, maybe something has been chewing on them.
"Great Khan, the Mongol Chronicles mentioned nothing of these uber-stacks!"
OK, I counted up all the superstacks within visible range of our settlements and spies in Outremer. Something like 20 in sight, with only about 1/3 of them being Timurids. :sweatdrop: One of the Timurid stacks even looks like it lost a fight, unless they spawn with a quarter stack or split up or something.
At least the end of the game means not having to deal with all those stacks. :laugh4:
I guess this relieves me of the pain of choosing a side in the war.
https://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4521/image001jn7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
Still managed a heroic victory, despite half my army fleeing and being slaughtered, while the enemy units, badly outnumbered, having lost 50% of their men in the early parts of the battle, facing withering fire in the flanks and rear from mounted crossbowmen and morale reducing reiters, fought to the very last man.
No, I'm not bitter at all. :clown:
Edit: Hooking up the computer that gets wireless right now. Updated save should be up momentarily.
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 03:31
ARGH! I was just telling OK that I expected people to play it safe now that the end is in sight.
Well, there's plenty of Steffens and a Becker unclaimed. I also suspect that Igno would be happy for you to take von Hapsburg, and I know Duke Arnold would kiss you for it. :yes:
Andreas will be missed. :thumbsdown:
:egypt:
I thought I did play it safe. Only committed my bodyguard when a mass charge by the triple gold chevron Varangians and Cataphracts threatened my line. A well placed charge by the bodyguard and my two units of knights destroyed two units of Cataphracts, then I pulled Andreas out with well over half of his guard intact. He died during the pullout. :clown:
At that point I had 10% losses to their 50%, and their leader had already died. However, when my general died it initiated a mass rout (it was particularly depressing funny to see a 30+ man unit of mounted armor piercing crossbowmen rout at the sight of a 5-6 man Cataphract unit). By the time the battle ended I had some 50% casualties, mostly killed while routing, although they did pull together to finally drive off the tiny enemy army remnants chasing them.
Anyway, can't pull out 2 turns before the end of the game so I might as well take over for some avatar.
Where did this Becker come from? Is he related to Cecil's Becker? I'll like to pick an Austrian noble so I can do some good before the game ends, but I wouldn't take von Hapsburg without Ignoramus' permission.
OverKnight
03-10-2008, 03:49
Those triple golds fight like lions.
Sucks, sucks, sucks.
Looks like the chip on Matt's shoulder just got a bit bigger.
Up to now he was quite compassionate towards the Greeks, this will change.
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 03:52
I'd advise you to PM Igno about von Hapsburg. Igno no longer has a computer that can play MTWII if I'm correctly recalling what he said, and it's been a long time since he posted in a KOTR thread. Roadkill's Jan Zirn also looks abandoned, but Jan is in the stack with Max and so won't see any action, probably.
Fritz Becker, Edmund's son, won't likely see any action before the end, while von Hapsburg has a potential crackin' good battle against the Venetians coming up, well, next season.
:egypt:
I'll pm Ignoramus right now, just in case, and have a decision within the day.
I'm guessing the PVP battle will go better with maximum participation, so I'll definately pick someone. Then I might take a break for the beginning of the next KOTR type game. If most of the current players start in that one as well, it may be a bit crowded for the beginning situation of a faction. :sweatdrop:
P.S. If that Venetian army is a tiple gold chevron army, I might play a different avatar instead.
OverKnight
03-10-2008, 05:54
Whatever we play next, no more TRIPLE GOLD STACKS!!!!
Ignoramus
03-10-2008, 07:34
What's going on about the civil war? I'd like to play as Hapsburg, although I'm not really up-to-date on recent events.
There was going to be a trial to find out if Lothar conspired to kill Kaiser Siegfried. It never went through, but there's still going to be a battle between supporters of the current Kaiser and supporters of Lothar and his organization to end the game. Some giant pvp thing. I don't really know if it will be everyone at once, or a bunch of set battles or what, but I think it's going to be run by Econ like the other pvp battles, so no need to be able to actually play them out on you computer. :yes:
What's going on about the civil war? I'd like to play as Hapsburg, although I'm not really up-to-date on recent events.
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 09:38
Zim, Igno!!
Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take Hapsburg!!
Then you can go south and relieve or defend Ragusa....please, please.
Unfortunately Ignoramus doesn't have a computer that can play MTW2 right now, although assuming the PVP battles in a couple turns are run like the other ones we've had he'll be able to play in the final battle. :2thumbsup:
Maybe I or someone else could sub the Ragusa battle for him?
Zim, Igno!!
Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take Hapsburg!!
Then you can go south and relieve or defend Ragusa....please, please.
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 10:02
So Ragusa willl fall because Igno can't play THE actual game, while in the PvP he can give order and can participate.
If a sub is allowed then I'LL fight the battle. When it's put like that of course, then it will be a 'no'.
Austria needs Hapsburg active now.
It seems I have a moderately hard place to my left and an even firmer spot to my right. This entirely affects the IC orders I give...so knowing by tonight my time will allow orders and determine my offensive actions.
If you don't take Hapsburg who would you take Zim? Roadkills character would also be a good call. You can then knight Max and then someone can head south with a cavalry only force and hopefully save Ragusa.
Given the situation in Austria I'd try to pick a free noble from that House. I know there's the junior Becker, and RK's old avatar?
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 10:29
Becker's son is with him in the north, but Cecil is back and fighting so Jan Zirn (the middle brother of Karl's brood) is with Max. You can knight the brother and then head south with Cav only, pick up that sack of potato's Hapsburg and "high tail" it south. There are more than enough troops down there to compliment the cav only force you bring south.
in fact don't spend any time knighting Max just head south...put Max in my stack and then I'll punch him through these three bloody Hungarian stacks (and yes it is starting to get a little ridiculous with all these spawned stack, something to keep in mind for the next time) around Vienna.
Ok, but a quick look at the save shows Zirn won't arrive at Ragusa for 3 turns, after the game ends. Arnold can make it in two if he abandonds his army.
Maybe Arrnold should move south on his own/with cavalry and take Hapsburg's army, while I go after the Hungarian armies using Arnold's old army as reinforcements. Alternatively, I think Becker is close enough to reinforce Zirn.
Crap. Another look at the save shows that as Zirn I can hit two of those Hungarian armies at best, 2:5 odds and the only possible reinforcements being depleted cavalry from Prague. At best I might luck out and have my computer be too crappy to take a battle that large, delaying their reinforcements.
deguerra
03-10-2008, 10:49
Is it worth me still fighting Ludwigs siege of Bruges. Quite frankly, it seems like KotR is dying, and if I don't really have to face that triple gold stack, then I'll be a sissy. So: How long until we finish this game in one epic battle?
Ignoramus
03-10-2008, 11:05
Yes, I think that KotR is sadly going the way of WotS - there is just no challenges left. The Cataclysm was great, but as none of the rebels survived, it was only a matter of time before this happened.
Nevertheless, I'd say that KotR was a big improvement over WotS, as I'm sure our next game will be over KotR. Who knows what our next setting will be?
I found the superstacks challenge enough, although not particularly interesting.
I wonder what would have happened had Hummel or Dietrich (or both) survived.
One rebel did make it, Becker, he just stopped being a rebel.
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 11:11
Yes we are in the final throws of the game.
I'm assuming that final "in game" army forces will not determine what you get in the PvP the war, but rather a preset set of factors as outlined by Econ and TC.
Thanks for the overview Zim. I'll take a look tonight and make my recommendations for Austria...if the game ends in two turns we might as well just clear out Vienna and leave Ragusa with an auto calc and Hapsburg in attendence. That would probably leave Austria with a mortality rate of nearly double all other Duchies and Outremer...something I'm a little proud of actually. :yes:
Ok, I assume I'm still taking Jan Zirn? If not a count we make as well have Austria get in on the flood of promotions that "coincidently" started after we found out units given in the war will be given based on rank.
Just in case people are wondering, the final plotline will start moving relatively soon. You'll know it when it's time to start picking sides.
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 14:55
I want to be clear as Chancellor that I will not make IC decisions based on our OOC knowledge of the situation. von Bohmen should attempt to retake Bruges because that's what his character would do, and if you're defeated then that's what happens, just keep your avatar alive.
The same situation exists at Ragusa, I'm moving Hapsburg to try to hold the castle because he's the only avatar that can get there. If you don't want to fight a battle that's fine, but you're still going to be put in the position I, as Chancellor, would want you in to secure victory.
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 16:42
I'm more than happy to do that Ramses.
I'm just grateful that I can fight for Hapsburg as a sub.
Otherwise I will change my stance to pretend as if we are not finishing in a couple of turns.
I'll look at the save tonight, give orders and move Arnold and Hapsburg (if that is ok) as necessary.
Cheers
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 17:07
I personally don't care who fights for Hapsburg, he was just the only option. I think I already moved him his maximum south, unless you want to leave the infantry behind. He won't be inside Ragusa when they lay siege, but I'll train whatever you want there and there's a fair number of men who'll be in range of the walls next season.
If other people want to let their situation on the ground go south and just not care that's fine, but the purpose of my declaration about OOC knowledge is just to let you know I won't be moving nobles out of the way of danger or auto-calcs on the basis of OOC knowledge. If the consensus opinion is that no one wants to fight anymore, let's suspend the game here and wait for Econ to get back.
:egypt:
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 17:17
You know, when I re-read that it sounds like it was directed at AG, which was the furthest thing from my intent.
What I don't like hearing when we've just seen Zim's avatar die from a battle that was clearly OOC unecessary is people pulling into their shells and declining battles. If we were going to declare the game stopped at a certain point, it should've been before that, so I'm going to go on putting people in the position I feel the strategic situation in game warrants.
With that note posted, I expect this offensive season to last about 48 more hours, and then we'll move forward. If you haven't taken an offensive action in that 48 hours, and you haven't posted other instructions, you might face an auto-calc.
Please post to the O&R thread if you have specific requests.
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 17:20
I'm more than happy to fight Ramses.
You're perfectly fine with what you have done with Hapsburg. There is quite a few troops down there so please continue to recruit what is historically accurate in Ragusa.
I will wade through the Hungarian's this evening.
Arnold's outburst reminds me of when FH goaded him many decades ago.
I'll see how this goes against three stacks. :egypt:
_Tristan_
03-10-2008, 17:21
OOC considerations have already made their apparition in game apart from refusing to put avatars in jeopardy as is evidenced by some recent granting of titles...
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 17:28
Absolutely true Tristan, but that's really a matter of playing catch up, as those nobles who have so far been declared counts have more than earned it and should've become counts long ago. We just got to a point in the game where the politics of who was and wasn't a count was less important.
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 17:32
Who are we talking about with all the Count appointments?
If it's Max Zirn then his brother died...so he needed to be replaced. Picking an avatar that was not controlled by a real person seemed a little unfair. Hence Max got the nod.
I assume then that we are not talking about that one.
If we want to freeze the game in its current state, I think we can do that. I expect the plotline to be ready to advance via a story and a few other IC posts within a day or two at the most. Once that begins, it wouldn't make much sense to keep the game moving anyway.
_Tristan_
03-10-2008, 17:35
Hey, nothing personal, AG...
Just the way you posted about awarding the title implied that it was based on OOC considerations (or so I gathered, pardon me if I'm wrong...)
All this is in fact a call to Warluster towards two of his generals (Econ and I)
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 17:45
Now I understand Tristan...
Max's appointment was always going that way due the points I raised...I even sat on it for awhile to wait on what NN was going to do. He even reminded me because I had forgotten...I've had to reapppoint counts quite a lot in Austria.
And again sorry for the handle foul up in the Arnold tirade in the "Orders" thread.
_Tristan_
03-10-2008, 17:46
I made as if I read the right name... Happens to the best...
Or perhaps was it truly directed at me ?
:clown:
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 18:14
I made as if I read the right name... Happens to the best...
Or perhaps was it truly directed at me ?
:clown:
phlblblbl!!
No it wasn't and I feel guilt already. :shame:
Heh, just realized now people are free to mess up my name and call me "Zirn" again, and this time it will be accurate. :clown:
AussieGiant
03-10-2008, 21:57
Unfortunately Zim, it seems as is the French antagonist has motivated my alter ego to new heights.
There is not much left to do except take up a position on the bridge, grab the canon from Vienna and hope the idiots try to cross so you can practise with the canon.
Drat, not even one teensy army to crush? Maybe some remnants to go against with Max and get him knighted? :charge:
Unfortunately Zim, it seems as is the French antagonist has motivated my alter ego to new heights.
There is not much left to do except take up a position on the bridge, grab the canon from Vienna and hope the idiots try to cross so you can practise with the canon.
_Tristan_
03-10-2008, 22:06
Unfortunately Zim, it seems as is the French antagonist has motivated my alter ego to new heights.
What a few well placed curses can do...:laugh4:
I think Hugo will go down the path of profanity from now on... :whip:
@ Zim : :oops:
gibsonsg91921
03-10-2008, 23:58
I think von Hapsburg would be a conservative and thus pro-Peter.
deguerra
03-11-2008, 00:00
fine, fine, fine. :D I'm sorry I really didn't want anyone to get worked up about my lack of wanting to play this battle. It is just that I am a bit over massive M2TW battles anyway, and the gold stacks aren't helping :D
Taking the save, have it your way Ramses :P
:2thumbsup:
I'm guessing a lot of the new palyers and younger characters would be neutral. Which side they go for may depend on how the leadup to the battle goes. If lots of evidence came up that Lothar was really part of some evil organization pulling the strings people might rally against it, but more likely things will be much more ambiguous.
Ramses II CP
03-11-2008, 01:43
The problem Fritz and Peter face is the fact that it's difficult for them to claim to be good guys, especially since they probably would've been first in line for the Kaiser's throat if he hadn't been their brother...
Which makes it pretty complicated if you're neutral and you've followed the storyline from that time period. Do we actually have evidence of Lothar doing anything else? Right now I'm trying to keep what we know IC very seperate from what I know OOC. Fritz is convinced Lothar was involved in the death of Siegfried, and that's enough for him, but does it sway someone who starts off neutral?
Really, too, it's a problem of confidence, as Peter and Fritz aren't exactly out scouting for allies either. When this first broke I was fully intent on forcing people to pick a side, assuming more would fall on my side than the other, but since then matters haven't shaken out like I was expecting. There are some nobles whose loyalty I feel sure of, but there are just as many who I'm not, and Fritz suspects every Austrian and Bavarian of disloyalty to his brother.
In OOC terms I know that Max and Jan both have brand new players so how deep in some conspiracy could they be, but IC? They're Austrian, and absent any other information that might be enough for Fritz right there.
:egypt:
Yeah, the tough thing is keeping OOC and IC knowledge separate.
Deciding who Andreas would pick would have been extremely difficult. On one side you have a guy who may have conspired to kill a Kaiser and on the other a Kaiser who's behaved rather erratically and tried to pass some rather disturbing legislation. If the trial had uncovered a lot about Lothar's organization things would be easier but at this point Peter seems more of a bad guy than Lothar.
And now I have to figure out what my new character will do. :dizzy2:
gibsonsg91921
03-11-2008, 03:33
Yeah, Peter is kind of an a-hole, but he's a tyrant, maxed out dread, huge authority, huge command, and no piety. He's super brave and is a good jouster. See how it pans out? Haha.
OverKnight
03-11-2008, 05:32
There's always Ralph Nader. :clown:
AussieGiant
03-11-2008, 13:54
So....this "should" get interesting. :balloon2:
Ah, Peter is now "the Tyrant" and Lothar is now "the Honorable." I love the irony.
_Tristan_
03-11-2008, 18:37
And I had to choose this time to antagonize none else but the Grand Master of the Illuminati...:wall: :wall: :wall:
AussieGiant
03-11-2008, 20:18
And I had to choose this time to antagonize none else but the Grand Master of the Illuminati...:wall: :wall: :wall:
Indeed my young Knight...your timing has been unfortunate to say the least.
However there is always time to reconsider...:idea2:
AussieGiant
03-11-2008, 20:20
Ah, Peter is now "the Tyrant" and Lothar is now "the Honorable." I love the irony.
And honestly, the game does seem to have a weird sense of intelligence sometimes. It's as if this little peace of code "knows" it's being used for something a little more than the normal run of the mill game. :inquisitive:
_Tristan_
03-11-2008, 20:59
And honestly, the game does seem to have a weird sense of intelligence sometimes. It's as if this little peace of code "knows" it's being used for something a little more than the normal run of the mill game. :inquisitive:
Then I'll be your "Hugo" Skywalker, Emperor "Arnold" Palpatine :duel:
Actually, Peter is (literally) the Emperor. Which makes Fritz Vader. I guess you can be HugoFett.
Ramses II CP
03-11-2008, 21:12
I guess I'll be Grand Moff Tarkin. Wrinkly, scarred, evil, arrogant, and, err, doomed?
Speaking of pop culture references, that story from earlier desperately needed Black Sabbath's 'War Pigs' playing in the background, although the version I hear in my head is the Faith No More cover. :laugh4:
edit: Simul-post! 'You don't know the power of the Dark Side!'
:egypt:
GeneralHankerchief
03-11-2008, 21:15
I would actually set the entire first half of KotR to "War Pigs," and I think I said as much somewhere. This grand finale would be good too.
I know I've written some stories in KotR, particularly during the Cataclysm period, to specific music. Whenever I reread the Stories thread I always put that particular song in the background. :laugh4:
AussieGiant
03-11-2008, 21:59
I can't say I've had music in mind when I've been doing any of this. But now you lot have mentioned it I'll start to see if things work.
As for the Star Wars references, then I guess I'm Mace Windu or something, I just can't see me being Yoda.
OverKnight
03-12-2008, 00:11
The Planets, Op. 32: I. Mars, the Bringer of War - Gustav Holt
I'm personally more of a Jupiter fan. Makes me want to conquer the world and toast the Queen.
Ignoramus
03-12-2008, 02:29
It's criminal to have to chose between Kaiser Peter and a republic.
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 02:30
How so?
It's criminal to have to chose between Kaiser Peter and a republic.
All credit for the Republic idea should go to OverKnight. He proposed it first and it was just too good to ignore. There's something kind of nice about wrapping the end-story of KOTR to the beginning of WOTS.
Are we really faced with such a decision? I haven't noticed much in the way of democratic tendencies among our secret organization until now, but then I did come in during the Cataclysm, and only read all the links in the history thread for only 50 years back. :book:
It's criminal to have to chose between Kaiser Peter and a republic.
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 02:37
Are we really faced with such a decision? I haven't noticed much in the way of democratic tendencies among our secret organization until now, but then I did come in during the Cataclysm, and only read all the links in the history thread for only 50 years back. :book:
Well, I'm glad you didn't notice them, because that would mean the secret organization wasn't so secret. :laugh4:
I did notice the organization, it just seemed more evil than republican. :beam:
Well, I'm glad you didn't notice them, because that would mean the secret organization wasn't so secret. :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 02:51
No, it's all very democratic and egalatarian. I'm not going to go into detail about how we decide things but there is always a lot of discussion involved. I don't think there's ever been a situation where's there's been a big disagreement, which is pretty amazing considering it's KotR.
I did notice the organization, it just seemed more evil than republican. :beam:
The Illuminati 'Charter' was one of the first things that we established. It's been equality from the start for us. Perhaps not for our opponents, but at least within the group. You'll see it all in a couple weeks, when we're either victorious or dead.
Ignoramus
03-12-2008, 04:51
And here was I thinking that TinCow had invented the Illuminati to roleplay Lothar's discussions with Ulrich.
OverKnight
03-12-2008, 05:19
I can just imagine Lothar in a room surrounded by a bunch of manniquins in robes making grand announcements to his "Brothers".
OverKnight
03-12-2008, 10:04
For some reason I suddenly feel like singing the "La Marseillaise".
Liberté, égalité, fraternité!
:clown:
First round of Diet speechifying goes to the Order, although we haven't begun to hear from most of the players.
I have sent out a PM to 8 former KOTR players who were previously very active, but left the game long ago or who have essentially become inactive. I've invited them to join in the end-game battle on whichever side they want. We can provide them with simple "Elector" avatars and a small army to command on the battlefield. The more the merrier, IMO, and it would be great to have a reunion of some of the great players of the past since we're at the end of the game. I hope you guys don't mind.
Northnovas
03-12-2008, 14:40
:2thumbsup: Great Idea! It can only make the final battle more dramatic with more people/armies involved.
Ramses II CP
03-12-2008, 15:38
You know I have a sneaking suspicion that Peter's 'humanist' trait is working against us too. I really thought I had Hugo sewn up for the loyalists! :embarassed:
:egypt:
Well, you're almost certain to have all of Franconia, plus Duke von Salza and Count Ruppel. I wouldn't be surprised at some Bavarian or Austrian defections to the Imperials as well, assuming some of the AWOL players come back for the finale. So far it seems to be shaping up towards a pretty even battle.
_Tristan_
03-12-2008, 15:42
It was really a difficult choice... something along the fifty-fifty line...
But Hugo is a real do-gooder and the Illuminati's plan for the Reich appeals to him much more than Peter's Tyranny...
Ramses II CP
03-12-2008, 16:12
Who from Bavaria is left to defect? Erlach?
And now Jan, who I rather hoped would at least be too afraid to side against Peter, is on the wrong side too. :laugh4:
I guess maybe Max can be guilted into coming to the light side.
With Econ being judge I don't know if Prinz Dieter will be taking part either, though he's logically a loyalist.
I guess it will be somewhat even... but that's kind of a bad sign if you're on the Imperial team. :no:
:egypt:
AussieGiant
03-12-2008, 19:12
Yes somehow the Order got labelled as evil. I've addressed that IC.
It doesn't help the the Grand Master seems a little demonic on occasion.
Still...the Republican ideal does fit the original concept TC and I had in mind.
Warmaster Horus
03-12-2008, 19:34
I'm back! I just caught up with the KotR story since I left, and... basically congrats everyone!
Anyway, here I am: I'm choosing the side of the Illuminati.
Think about it. Who's scarier, Peter or Arnold? Never made an easier choice in my life. :clown:
Actually quite a bit of thought went into picking a side, including talking to some of the older players. One in particular, who shall remain nameless until after the game ends, helped me out a lot. It was rather difficult, especially when Andreas likely would have stayed with the loyalists, but I hope I did my new character justice.
And now Jan, who I rather hoped would at least be too afraid to side against Peter, is on the wrong side too. :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 20:01
Booyah!
If the Illuminati end up too strong in numbers, I'm sure econ21 will balance it out by giving the Imperials more men per capita. The Imperials do have the two most powerful men in the Reich in their camp: the Kaiser and the Chancellor. It would make sense for those two to command armies that were larger than the Dukes or the Viceroy.
Warluster
03-12-2008, 21:38
Right; ready to suit up for this battle!
I think I will help the Kaiser in this one... still have not forgiven the Illumanti for the Civil War!:laugh4:
Let's keep a running tally of who's on which side for convenience. Please update this as people declare their sides.
Imperial:
Peter von Kastilien
Fritz von Kastilien
Maximilian von Hapsburg
Athalwolf von Salza
Ehrhart Ruppel
Illuminati:
Arnold
Lothar Steffen
Matthias Steffen
Herrman Steffen
Hugo de Cervole
Jan Zirn
Warmaster Horus (No current avatar)
Neutral:
Edmund Becker
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 22:13
Aww, that was what the list was for. :cry:
Anyway, it's Athalwolf von Salza, not Jobst.
The IC list is great, but it doesn't include the Imperials or the Neutrals. It'll be easier for econ21 to sort through this mess when he gets back if we can just point him to a post with all the people in the right places. This battle is going to be big enough as it is, we should do whatever we can to make it easier on him.
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 22:19
Good point.
So how is this working? I assume Econ won't set it up exactly like a single battle, or each stack would be half generals (I suppose he could have more than full stack on each side assuming his comp is better than mine. :clown: ). Will it be broken up somehow?
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 22:32
The only comparison I can think of is the Battle for Rome, which ended the Will of the Senate PBM. It was a field battle, with a grand total of about five and a half armies. Econ pretty much split it into two battles (I believe the precedent he used was Waterloo and Wavre), later merging it into one after certain events.
My guess here is that it will either be the same or two massive battle lines, with each player commanding a "section."
Ramses II CP
03-12-2008, 22:46
Personally I'd like to see one big battle line, with the sides facing off and the lines pushing this way and that. I think when I kill Lothar ( :clown: ) and smash through the Illuminati lines it should give me the chance to flank his allies and provide advantages to nearby friendly armies.
Econ isn't limited by stack sizes really because he's just using the game to resolve individual unit combat. So we could have 200 companies of DFK fighting 200 of Spearmen in a great big line, in theory, and he could resolve it with an average result and apply it to his time scale to produce a result.
:egypt:
I'd kind of like to see it split into a couple battles, but have them interconnected into a much larger battle.
Just read a long book on the Napoleanic wars and it seemed that each "battle" consisted of a lot of smaller battles by different sections of each army, the results of which affected the main battle.
Can't really say whether medieval battles are the same though.
Another option would be to allow each side to 'pool' the resources of all their commanders. For instance, if each person came with a variety of infantry, missiles, and cavalry (more for people of higher rank) the army as a whole could combine all their units and hand out command of individual sections to particular people. One person could command the center line, one person the left flank, one person the right flank, one person the cavalry, one person the reinforcements, etc. That might make for a more interesting tactical situation than several mini-armies all competing on different sections of a battlefield.
GeneralHankerchief
03-12-2008, 23:29
It would nullify the :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: dice effect too.
Tincow's idea sounds interesting. :yes:
AussieGiant
03-12-2008, 23:57
Indeed TC's idea sounds very good.
I like the idea of one massive battle (as large as it can be made, the more epic the better) in which everyone is present. That way it has the feel of everyone involved.
There will be sections engaging as the tactics play out but I envisage something like the battle in Lord of the Rings: The Three Kings in which all major characters have finally gathered in the climatic battle to determine everything.
There could be very significant actions taking place with certain nobles commanding while central command waits before making the next move and then the next.
AussieGiant
03-12-2008, 23:58
Think about it. Who's scarier, Peter or Arnold? Never made an easier choice in my life. :clown:
So who is scarier then?
This is not obvious to me.
I guess it would depend.
If one means "I wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley" Duke Arnold obviously is.
If one means "Tyrannical ruler who would take away our freedoms and ruin the country if left unchecked" then Kaiser Peter is obviously scarier. ~;)
* Fritz is also scary in his own way but for some reason I see him more as a frightening foe to face at the head of an army but not as much one on one.
*Sorry Ramses I have no idea where this impression came from. :sweatdrop:
So who is scarier then?
This is not obvious to me.
Regarding the battle, the final decision will be up to econ21, since he's got to design it and run the thing. IIRC, he'll be back on Sunday.
FactionHeir
03-13-2008, 00:08
Considering most of the Illuminati are not even Counts while the Imperials all have titles, it would make sense.
Oh and Ruppel will join the Imperials of course.
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2008, 00:10
Considering most of the Illuminati are not even Counts
Bruh? :dizzy2:
We have two Dukes, a Viceroy, and a Count. Our supporters are two Counts (Cervole and Bohmen), and I don't know about the Zirns but I imagine Arnold will Count them very quickly if they're not already.
Which ones aren't Counts? Aside from Swabia I think most of the active players have a county already.
GH I'm not sure von Salza ever gave Cervole a county (or Welf for that matter).
Considering most of the Illuminati are not even Counts while the Imperials all have titles, it would make sense.
Oh and Ruppel will join the Imperials of course.
*points to sig*
Count of Zagreb. :beam:
Bruh? :dizzy2:
We have two Dukes, a Viceroy, and a Count. Our supporters are two Counts (Cervole and Bohmen), and I don't know about the Zirns but I imagine Arnold will Count them very quickly if they're not already.
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2008, 00:13
Okay, well, the point I was trying to make was that the actual Brotherhood had a decent collection of titles.
FactionHeir
03-13-2008, 00:16
Cervole is a knight, not a count. Böhmen lsot his title by going against the Duke.
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2008, 00:19
:laugh4:
Yeah, but the point was that he was a Count before he sided with us.
Naturally you'll lose your title going against a Duke, as I learned firsthand with you.
Part of Böhmen's deal with von Salza way back was that he would retain his County. :yes: Anyway, I don't think Böhmen has picked a side. He has a history of antagonism with Hapsburg over Bruges but as far as I can tell hasn't picked a side yet.
Cervole is a knight, not a count. Böhmen lsot his title by going against the Duke.
I have a feeling the Imperials will end up with at least a slight advantage in numbers, but that's somewhat appropriate IMO. It's not supposed to be easy to overthrow an Emperor.
FactionHeir
03-13-2008, 00:24
:laugh4:
Yeah, but the point was that he was a Count before he sided with us.
Naturally you'll lose your title going against a Duke, as I learned firsthand with you.
Well, to be fair, Dassel was never a Count anyway. Hans just skipped him during promotion time :grin:
Oh, and remember how you said we wouldn't be against each other again with our new characters? Well, looks like we will have Hans vs Dassel MKII :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2008, 00:28
True, but this time at least it's not as personal.
Ramses II CP
03-13-2008, 01:14
Actually von Salza officially gave his nobles Counties, Econ just hasn't returned to make official notice of it yet. Warluster PM'd me about it a few days ago, you know, back when I thought de Cervole was on my side. :laugh4:
:egypt:
Ignoramus
03-13-2008, 02:10
Hapsburg chose the Imperialist, because, well, he's a Hapsburg. Any other choice wouldn't be right. Besides, I've had enough of rebellion at the moment.
We should start a thread up posting our thoughts or any secret knowledge we have of the game. For example, Chancellors could post whether they were biased against certain houses etc.
GeneralHankerchief
03-13-2008, 03:09
Anybody else wanna take over Illuminati Diet Duty? I'm kind of tired of all this pontificating for the moment.
Ramses II CP
03-13-2008, 03:14
I'm on it!
Wait, it's okay if the Illuminati announce they intend to sacrifice all their allies to Nyarlathotep, right? :beam:
:egypt:
I would but I'm a bit out of the loop secret organizationwise.
*Rolls up magazine and hits Ramses on the nose*
No, bad Ramses, no.
Anybody else wanna take over Illuminati Diet Duty? I'm kind of tired of all this pontificating for the moment.
Warluster
03-13-2008, 08:30
Wait, wait, wait... Did someone says Hughes is a Illumanti?
And is Fritz Illumanti?
I'm a bit confused with whose is on whose sides.
Though if you can't tell mine then...
Part of Böhmen's deal with von Salza way back was that he would retain his County.
That's of he stayed loyal to Swabia and his Duke.
Fritz is on Peter's side, Hugo de Cervole joined the Illuminati.
I don't think you can take Bohmen's title away for picking the other side, at least not so far as the final battle and the amount of troops he gets for it is concerned. Otherwise you could end up with some silly things.
Just imagine if you were allowed to strip the titles of any Swabian Republicans. Then the Illuminati responds by electing their own Swabian Duke, who attempts to strip all Imperialist Swabians of their titles. Meanwhile, Duke Arnold and the traitor Hapsburg try to strip eachother and the Austrians on each side of all of their titles.
This might all be proper (and amusing :clown: ) were it to occur IC only, but if also applied to the final battle it would be a giant headache for Econ21 when allocating troops, especially since each side will claim to have more legitamacy than the other.
Wait, wait, wait... Did someone says Hughes is a Illumanti?
And is Fritz Illumanti?
I'm a bit confused with whose is on whose sides.
Though if you can't tell mine then...
That's of he stayed loyal to Swabia and his Duke.
AussieGiant
03-13-2008, 10:16
As far as I know all Austrian nobles are "titled up" and have been for some time...except for Hapsburg who Igno OOC dropped out just before I was going to give him Venice.
The last change was Johann dying and Max getting Vienna.
That of course still leaves Venice and Ragusa under Arnold's direct control.
And Zim,
I'm a little perturb that after so many write up's and working on Arnold's dread for so long I can be less threatening that Peter :shame: :clown:
As for titles and the ability to strip and counter strip each other, then it makes no difference at this time in my opinion. It's all just points of view. I only say this due to the relative equality of the situation.
Actually, Arnold is more frightening than Peter, hence Mr. "faltering courage" Jan Zirn prefers to fight with him against Peter. :clown:
AussieGiant
03-13-2008, 10:50
Actually, Arnold is more frightening than Peter, hence Mr. "faltering courage" Jan Zirn prefers to fight with him against Peter. :clown:
Well, at some point I did reach a cross road with him Zim. If anyone does go back and reads all his stuff then you will see a point where the stories got more and more gruesome, but then I realised he could not be construed as "evil" by definition and still function inside the game and as a noble of the Reich.
What I settled on was just as you described. He is frightening but only to those that oppose him. That is what I was aiming for. Of course this can only be effectively written for non player characters. Player characters have to decide themselves how to react to him.
I think you've managed perfectly to create a memorable persona for Arnold. :2thumbsup:
I have to admit, having only seen the Duke from outside the Austrian Duchy, I was quite surprised at first when I began to notice that he treats those he worked with very differently than others.
AussieGiant
03-13-2008, 11:07
I think you've managed perfectly to create a memorable persona for Arnold. :2thumbsup:
I have to admit, having only seen the Duke from outside the Austrian Duchy, I was quite surprised at first when I began to notice that he treats those he worked with very differently than others.
Indeed. Only those inside the Duchy really saw that. On the outside and even with the rest of the Reich he was substantially different.
Our Austrian PM's at election times was always an example of the contrast. Of course you never saw those and not many Player Characters did.
Of course I'm not talking about any Illuminati work being done behind, behindm, behind the scenes. :beam:
Ignoramus
03-13-2008, 11:09
I've only just realised how much I'd missed the intrigue of KotR. We must start up a successor game when it's finally over. It's amazing what this does to a standard single-player campaign of TW.
I have a feeling that the next game we do will fit your play style perfectly, Ignoramus.
Ignoramus
03-13-2008, 12:30
:laugh4: There isn't a mod called Hummel: Total War is there? :laugh4:
_Tristan_
03-13-2008, 12:33
I can't wait to get a fresh start on any new game... I waited too long to join this one...
It was pretty intimidating seen from the outside
Updated Tally:
Imperial:
Peter von Kastilien
Fritz von Kastilien
Maximilian von Hapsburg
Athalwolf von Salza
Ehrhart Ruppel
Maximillian Zirn
Tancred von Tyrolia
Illuminati:
Arnold
Lothar Steffen
Matthias Steffen
Herrman Steffen
Hugo de Cervole
Jan Zirn
Warmaster Horus (No current avatar)
Neutral:
Edmund Becker
Dieter Bresch
Undecided:
Ludwig von Bohmen
AussieGiant
03-13-2008, 13:18
Updated Tally:
Imperial:
Peter von Kastilien
Fritz von Kastilien
Maximilian von Hapsburg
Athalwolf von Salza
Ehrhart Ruppel
Maximillian Zirn
Illuminati:
Arnold
Lothar Steffen
Matthias Steffen
Herrman Steffen
Hugo de Cervole
Jan Zirn
Warmaster Horus (No current avatar)
Neutral:
Edmund Becker
Undecided:
Ludwig von Bohmen
Looks nice and even. I thought Ludwig decided already?
I can't tell from the way he's writing IC. deguerra can clarify.
I would expect that Dieter Bresch and Tancred von Tyrolia will also go Imperial, so it should be a pretty even battle. The only other people remaining are those without avatars that I sent PMs to.
FactionHeir
03-13-2008, 17:22
Hmmm so the Zirns split?
I'll take Dieter's spit as a vote for the Imperials.
Dieter is siding with Becker, neutral but friendly to the Imperials and wanting Arnold dead, no other illuminati just Arnold. Dieter has a score to settle.
time for one last OOC thread? We are past 20 pages.
Dutch_guy
03-13-2008, 18:56
OK, well no surprises here, Tancred 'll join the Imperials.
Just wouldn't feel good fighting against two Kastilliens, and Franconia in general.
:balloon2:
gibsonsg91921
03-13-2008, 23:06
Tancred, old sport! Good to have ya back! You wouldn't ditch your old war pal hero, would ya, old sport?
he's got a new war pal now :P we've spent many a decade in Magdeburg together.
gibsonsg91921
03-14-2008, 02:18
I was hoping somebody would pick up on the Gatsby reference.
GeneralHankerchief
03-14-2008, 03:20
I try to block out memories of ever having to read that book, thanks. :wall:
AussieGiant
03-14-2008, 08:35
Dieter is siding with Becker, neutral but friendly to the Imperials and wanting Arnold dead, no other illuminati just Arnold. Dieter has a score to settle.
time for one last OOC thread? We are past 20 pages.
What did Arnold do EF? Apart from harrass Dieter a lot.
Warluster
03-14-2008, 09:05
You made a damn fine point GH, regarding the whole von Salza thing. If von Salza wasn't so damn stubborn I'd probably swap there and then.
Though if thing's continue; I think von Salza will go for Lothar... still hasn't forgiven him for the Civil War. :grin3: Good poem Tristan!
_Tristan_
03-14-2008, 09:09
Good poem Tristan!
Thanks but tell that to Rouget de Lisle... The man who wrote "La Marseillaise", the French National anthem...
I just adapted it a bit here and there...
AussieGiant
03-14-2008, 09:50
GH did come out of nowwhere with that Warluster. I'm glad you mentioned his little find. It is pretty impressive actually.
Tristan, also well done on the modified national anthem. I'm ashamed to admit that while it seemed familiar I did not realise it was the French National Anthem.
Dutch_guy
03-14-2008, 15:22
he's got a new war pal now :P we've spent many a decade in Magdeburg together.
Tancred, old sport! Good to have ya back! You wouldn't ditch your old war pal hero, would ya, old sport?
The bidding may start now, and starting bids should at the very least include an entire country and a cozy castle.
On a more serious note, recent events have made a definite choice a bit harder than it seemed at first. Going to think this over a bit more :2thumbsup:
:balloon2:
AussieGiant
03-14-2008, 16:16
On a more serious note, recent events have made a definite choice a bit harder than it seemed at first. Going to think this over a bit more :2thumbsup:
:balloon2:
Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall for that thought process. :beam:
Elite Ferret,
OOC for a second, and also seriously. Can you give me some idea as to what the issues is between Arnold and Dieter. I really can't recall. :inquisitive:
Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall for that thought process. :beam:
Elite Ferret,
OOC for a second, and also seriously. Can you give me some idea as to what the issues is between Arnold and Dieter. I really can't recall. :inquisitive:
uuuuh yeah, about that...I dunno really Dieter needs an enemy and your the best candidate :clown: I can't remember the real reason either but if Dieter wants to kill you but remain neutral it should make the war more balanced than if I joined the Imperials.
The bidding may start now, and starting bids should at the very least include an entire country and a cozy castle.
On a more serious note, recent events have made a definite choice a bit harder than it seemed at first. Going to think this over a bit more :2thumbsup:
:balloon2:
I've already given you your choice of counties and you've been sitting in Magdeburg (yours if you want? ;) for years! What more do you want! :clown:
how about the fight with Jan, Dieter loved him and didn't forgive you even if he is 'the mercifull'.
Anyway what is the matter? Is the 'scary dread Duke' afraid of a fight?
AussieGiant
03-14-2008, 17:50
Hi EF,
yes that does start to make sense now. The whole Jan von Hamburg thing is starting to come back to me and how you were involved.
Thanks for the details EF.
well looks like I have a mad Chancellor and a Dread Duke against me, should be fun :clown:
Ramses II CP
03-14-2008, 18:51
Heh! Fritz is letting his hair down. No reason to be all restrained and polite now, it's all on the table. Plus, he's getting old, better to settle up before old age gets him. :laugh4:
:egypt:
yeah him and Dieter only have a few years left to end the fued, let it end with a bang!
OverKnight
03-16-2008, 05:22
Hmmm, like most revolutions this seems to have devolved from high minded rhetoric to the settling of long suppressed blood fueds. Yay!
Do we have three factions now? I'm confused.
Ramses II CP
03-16-2008, 05:41
Peter and Fritz are rather stuck, they are who they are. And let's face it, refusing to support the Kaiser in the face of insurrection would've been the same as high treason. I could see if someone in Outremer wanted to be neutral they'd probably get away with it for the most part due to sheer distance, but Peter gave Dieter his Duchy (Peter's last words as Duke, to Dieter, were 'Bring Franconia back to its former glory and beyond.'), and Becker's history doesn't leave much doubt about his loyalty.
:shrug: If there's a third faction I doubt either of the other two is going to be too tolerant of them if the victory is conclusive. I know what Peter and Fritz will do if they win. :skull: :laugh4:
:egypt:
econ21 should be back today or tomorrow. I think the next step is to simply let him comment on the situation we have developed and move on from there.
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2008, 16:55
Any idea on where the final battle will take place?
Just geographically, it looks like it'll be around Florence, but if we put it there it starts a trend of "major PBM being finished off by an epic PvP battle in Italy", something I don't necessarily feel is good. Perhaps Nuremburg would be the better spot?
I would like it to be in Rome, so we can battle it out to see who will be King of the Romans but that isn't really practical at the moment...
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2008, 17:05
I would like it to be in Rome, so we can battle it out to see who will be King of the Romans but that isn't really practical at the moment...
Already had one. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=75664)
Although I wouldn't mind going 2-0 in civil war battles located in Rome... :devilish:
Northnovas
03-17-2008, 20:06
:bump:
Is this the eery calm before the great storm?
That was the impression I've been getting. Everyon'e had chance to speak out for one side or another, now we're all waiting to see what will actually happen. :yes:
:bump:
Is this the eery calm before the great storm?
GeneralHankerchief
03-17-2008, 20:24
And thus we wait for our green, hooded cavalry to arrive.
AussieGiant
03-17-2008, 21:05
It's nearly time gentlemen,
A few more pieces in place and will shall be right to go...
mwhhaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
:dizzy2:
Sorry for the slight delay in my return - I've been looking after my father who is unwell. There's quite a bit to digest here, but it seems as if the battlelines have been drawn. I will read through what has transpired and we will start to get things going tomorrow.
Ramses II CP
03-18-2008, 01:36
Real life > KotR. Take as much time as you need. :yes:
:egypt:
gibsonsg91921
03-18-2008, 22:10
Take all the time in the world. I'm in no hurry to put KOTR to bed anyways.
I say the final battle should be somewhere like Prague, or somewhere in Austria because that's where Fritz was headed and that's where the Grand Master resides. Plus, Italy or Nuremburg is the obvious answer, we oughta spice 'er up a bit.
I am afraid I have some bad news. My home computer - the only means I have of playing M2TW - has just gone pop. I doubt I will have it fixed for several weeks or longer. Coupled with various domestic pressures, this is the straw that has broken the camel's back and I won't be able to umpire the final PvP battle that had been planned.
I think I will also be scaling back my involvement at the Org - resigning as a mod and taking a backseat in any KotR successor. (TinCow has some great ideas for that and, given his exemplary role overseeing the cataclysm, I think it would be best if he presides over the successor PBM).
In terms of KotR, one possibility is just leave things as they are - Fritz and Peter, Lothar and Arnold about to leap at each other's throats as the frame freezes and credits role. A sort of fratricidal Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid ending. I get the feeling energies are largely spent and what are left should be devoted to helping TinCow get the successor game started.
Alternatively, if anyone wants to pick up the umpire role and meets general approval, they are welcome to. The PvP battle mechanic is fairly straightforward (split the battles into mini-contests in custom battles, playing from both sides to get a feel for the "average" likely result). The umpire could be someone who plays a protagonist, provided he steps down from that role (as I did with Numerius in the WotS). Or a genuine multiplayer custom battle between one or more representative of the Order or Illuminati would be another way to go.
I will leave it to you guys to work out how you want to proceed, perhaps with TinCow "chairing" the discussion to bring it to a generally agreed conclusion.
I am really sorry about this.
econ
As I mentioned by PM, there is no need to apologize. Life, and especially family, always takes precedent over leisure.
As for the final battle, I personally would still like to have it occur, but I have no confidence in my own ability to run it. Do we have anyone who is willing to volunteer for this?
Ramses II CP
03-19-2008, 00:30
Well, I suppose as Chancellor I'm the logical person to try to be umpire. I don't have a whole lot of confidence in my ability to run things either, and as I play a rather pivotal character it would make things extremely akward. Even if I give Fritz to someone else, who is going to trust my objectivity?
Also, as Gibson noted somewhere else, he's having a bit of trouble with limited computer time as well, and the Kaiser is pretty key.
Overall I'd say it's a wash. I'm actually okay with resolving it without a battle, but I have a feeling we'd be missing out on some really good stuff.
:egypt:
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2008, 00:55
I would love to volunteer to umpire the custom battle.
I don't have nearly as much experience as econ does, naturally, but considering that I have not just witnessed firsthand but actually fought the two major Throne Room PvP battles (Rome and Bern) I think I have an idea of how to handle things.
As far as objectivity, I admit that I'm not ideal. However, I haven't really been able to invest much time in Herrmann Steffen, and he does not have as much at stake as the senior Illuminati members.
I think that KotR definitely deserves a satisfactory ending, especially after our year-plus of hard work put into making this great. I'm willing to take the final effort if need be. econ, good luck with your computer issues. :yes:
If you're willing, I think that's a perfect solution. Without Herrmann, the sides look about even, so it actually balances things out. We can simply say that Herrmann will share the fate of the Illuminati. If they win, he can triumph in whatever way you think right. If they lose, he gets the chop along with dear old Dad.
I'd like to give it a day or so to make sure everyone is ok with that, but since I predict they will be, it might be a good idea to start thinking about where the battle will take place and how to allocate the forces to the various sides. I was hoping that econ21 would take care of these things as the impartial umpire, so if you're taking over, those decisions should be yours. It might also be good to figure out whether the 'neutrals' are going to actually be neutral or whether it's going to be a three way battle.
Ramses II CP
03-19-2008, 01:48
I think having GH umpire is an excellent solution. As far as unit selections, I was just going to recommend that people's soldiers be, mostly anyway, drawn from the cities over which they rule and/or the mercenaries available in that same region. Of course there are exceptions (Peter will field Imperial Knights, naturally), but for Counts whatever is available in their County, for Dukes whatever is available in their Duchy (For the Viceroy Outremer, etc.).
Given the already immense complexity of the forces involved, and the liklihood that our general's cavalry will dominate anyway, I wouldn't go overboard assigning troops either. Maybe just a couple of companies per Count, twice that for Dukes, half again for Kaiser, and Chancellor/Viceroy fall somewhere in between.
You can tell I'd already been thinking about it in the meantime, eh? Feel free to ignore my advice and follow your own experience. :beam:
:egypt:
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2008, 02:08
Ramses, I had a lot of your suggestions in mind.
Basically, every avatar involved would personally contribute several units, ranging from a full stack to a couple of regiments. The size would be based on that avatar's power and influence. The units comprising each avatar's forces would be both representative of that avatar's position (Kaiser gets Imperial Knights, Dukes get Feudal Knights) and probably that avatar's "flavor" (Fritz gets mercs, Matthias gets Crusaders, Arnold gets... well, I don't even want to think about that :laugh4:) as well.
Assuming it's okay with you guys if I do umpire the battle, I'll post some detailed ideas I had in mind tomorrow.
gibsonsg91921
03-19-2008, 02:09
Well, I'm back from being grounded from the computer, for the most part. So I can take an active role again.
EDIT: GO GH! Way to kick a. Now it's my turn to kick a. I always took Capo de Tutti Capi II as an omen for whether or not I could beat TinCow on the main front - we'll see.
I always took Capo de Tutti Capi II as an omen for whether or not I could beat TinCow on the main front - we'll see.
Don't get too cocky. I've still got some tricks up my sleeves. :2thumbsup:
OverKnight
03-19-2008, 04:33
I am sorry to hear about your difficulties econ21, and I wish you the best in resolving them. You've done a masterful job of "chairing" KotR and still been able to contribute wonderfully as a player, a delicate balancing act. The amount of time and effort you've put into the game has been astounding. If anyone deserves a break, it's you. Many thanks for all you've done. I hope you'll still be around for TC's highly secret "Delta" project.
As for GH running the civil war, that's cool with me.
Are we looking at one climatic battle? Or will it be split into a few, like WotS? If it would be any help, I could map where the active avatars are and which side they're on, so we can gain an understanding of where the battles might be.
For example, the Swabian avatars are split down the middle and scattered in the western part of the Empire. Would they face off with each other before both factions gather under one banner or not? How about Hapsburg and Max Zirn versus the other Austrians? Other than that, the south seems solidly Republican, with Matthias landing there as well, while the north is Royalist.
Thoughts?
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2008, 14:05
I was planning on making it a one-shot, epic battle. Let's assume that everyone and their armies avoided/missed each other on the way to the conglomeration point.
Warmaster Horus
03-19-2008, 15:48
GH umpiring is fine with me. I hope Econ's computer troubles sort themselves out.
Oh, by the way, I'll be one of the Steffen kids. Whichever doesn't bother me.
Let's give this a full 48 hours for discussion. That will be 6pm EST tomorrow (2 days after econ21's post). If no one objects to GH's plan by then, he will become the battle umpire and we will abide by whatever rules and scenarios he wants to use for the final battle(s). Suggestions and criticisms are welcome, but the final decision on all things should be the umpire's. So, GH, assuming no one protests, as of tomorrow evening, you can begin this whenever and however you want.
I am happy with GH being umpire :yes:
AussieGiant
03-19-2008, 17:39
Hi All,
Econ, sorry to hear about how things have panned out. You are certainly one of the rocks that have had this game built upon and I'm a little sad in some way’s that this has happened.
I wish you all the best in your real life Sir, and hopefully with time passing things brighten back up.
I'm also clearly supporting TC's comment that there is absolutely no need to apologies for anything. I'm happy you gave us some feedback so we know what is happening in your personal life.
I hope things work out and you can participate in the next "Delta" project by TC. Even at a vastly reduced role hopefully you can provide a great character to the next PBM "story".
To everyone,
Honestly I'm fine with it ending like this without a final battle, but I know that if we continue with it my participation motivation will pick back up.
If there is to be a battle then I'm fine with GH taking over...but it's more the Royalists that should voice their support of the idea.
I also feel this should be one epic battle in which all are present. Everyone brings their respective forces to the Overall Table Top Battle.
If everyone sees that as a resolution mechanism, GH will be breaking down the various parts of the overall battle into smaller custom battles and then reporting those results to the Overall Table top view, then we can see how the battle will develop over the course of a complete one day (Game time) resolution of the encounter. This will in affect allow smaller conflicts to play out at the day progresses.
I don't advocate a piecemeal approach.
Lets settle it once and for all.
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2008, 20:21
Two things:
- Firstly, will the Easter holidays (this Sunday) affect anyone's schedules?
- Secondly, all neutrals and undecideds have until TinCow's deadline (tomorrow at 18:00 GMT -5) to declare loyalties. Otherwise you will be left out of the battle. There will be no third faction.
Ramses II CP
03-19-2008, 21:54
I won't be leaving town this weekend, so it won't make any difference to me.
:egypt:
gibsonsg91921
03-19-2008, 22:03
ill only be gone for sunday. and as stated before, GH is fine with me, he isn't a noob that's gonna be cheating for the Illuminati.
Or else :flashlight in face in the dark:
AussieGiant
03-19-2008, 22:05
Ahhh, yes GH,
I've been reliably told by the Illuminati Grand Master's secretary, that he will be in Spain on a 'Grand Master Business Conference' from Friday to Tuesday over the Easter weekend.
Therefore any battles involving said 'Grand Master' will need to be scheduled at another time.
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2008, 22:21
All right, so nothing serious then. I'm working on a feature that will still allow us to fight the battle while you guys are gone to decent effect.
AussieGiant
03-19-2008, 22:50
All right, so nothing serious then. I'm working on a feature that will still allow us to fight the battle while you guys are gone to decent effect.
:inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2008, 22:57
:inquisitive:
Basically, each side appoints an "Overall commander," who, in addition to sending detailed orders for the forces directly under his control, also gives general orders for his entire side. It comes in handy should one general not send in his orders on time or, in your case, be out a few days. Considering the magnitude of the battle, I doubt you'll miss more than two turns.
There's also another related feature I had in mind, but I'm not going to reveal it until the battle is posted (assuming I am confirmed).
Northnovas
03-19-2008, 22:58
Ahhh, yes GH,
I've been reliably told by the Illuminati Grand Master's secretary, that he will be in Spain on a 'Grand Master Business Conference' from Friday to Tuesday over the Easter weekend.
Therefore any battles involving said 'Grand Master' will need to be scheduled at another time.
Well no matter how inticing that sounds a weekend in Spain I will stick with Royalist. I am sure they will offer vacation package when the battle is over and won. :2thumbsup:
gibsonsg91921
03-19-2008, 23:07
Royalists get a free vacation to every country, just follow on the rainbow!
of doom
deguerra
03-20-2008, 00:49
I am informed I have not made my intentions clear enough. Our tyrant of a Kaiser, my use- and faithless Duke, his self-important lackeys, and the lesser Austrian upstart can go get stuffed. I declare for the Illuminati.
I do this for three reasons:
1. Principles: Men like Hapsburg are tolerated among the loyalists.
2. Loyalty: I was loyal to the empire when it was deserving. I was loyal to Swabia when it was deserving. I remain loyal to those who have shown most loyalty to me, and those are the people of Flanders. They do not wish to live under Imperial tyranny.
3. God: Most importantly, God has clearly abandoned this empire. Were it not for Imperial lackeys sitting on the papal throne in Rome, the world would have no illusion about the crimes against the one true church that this Empire has commited. As it is, we fool the world. But we do not fool our creator.
The only man I go against here with a heavy heart is Chancellor von Kastilien, who was both a good chancellor and a good man. Sadly, he is related to the tyrant, and honour bound to die by his side. May his death be quick, and God welcome him to his Kingdom.
Ludwig von Böhmen
(OOC: should anyone feel offended, rest assured this is very much IC)
gibsonsg91921
03-20-2008, 01:16
why is this in the OOC thread then, lol? looks like a typo. i saw it in the diet tho
deguerra
03-20-2008, 01:48
:D because I am a bit silly at times :D I've reposted it in the diet where it makes more sense :thumbsup:
gibsonsg91921
03-20-2008, 01:58
it's ok, just pass that doobage over here. :lol:
(for the record, I am not or ever will be a pot smoker)
AussieGiant
03-20-2008, 09:03
(for the record, I am not or ever will be a pot smoker)
Well for god sake Gibbo hand that stuff over here then!!! :clown:
AussieGiant
03-20-2008, 16:50
Basically, each side appoints an "Overall commander," who, in addition to sending detailed orders for the forces directly under his control, also gives general orders for his entire side. It comes in handy should one general not send in his orders on time or, in your case, be out a few days. Considering the magnitude of the battle, I doubt you'll miss more than two turns.
There's also another related feature I had in mind, but I'm not going to reveal it until the battle is posted (assuming I am confirmed).
You're going to start without me GH?
Hell's bell's mate that's not very sporting of you!!
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