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Bijo
01-16-2008, 16:14
Ya know, there was a time when I watched many movies, and you know what I often noticed back then? Black guys always died first! What the...? Is it some kind of rule to let them die first???

Fragony
01-16-2008, 16:38
Gives that little bit of extra to the victim part, hey it's hollywood. Night of the Living Dead was legendary because the hero was black, in the end he still gets shot. It's symbolism, I can think of a few bit more chiche's.

Crazed Rabbit
01-17-2008, 04:27
To weird you out even more; Which of the (good) transformers was first to be destroyed in the Transformers movie?

CR

Lemur
01-17-2008, 04:58
It's one of many Hollywood cliches. My personal favorite is the smokin' hot scientist, who is invariably in her early twenties, who just happens to have the vaccine/know the code/defuse the nuclear device/have expertise in the monster/etc.

She usually winds up macking on the hero.

Mikeus Caesar
01-17-2008, 05:11
http://www.mediacircus.net/evolution____2.jpg

'Hey now, i seen this film before, the black guy always dies first!'

Great film. It has all the hollywood cliches you could want, including the 'black guy dies first' cliche.

Beefy187
01-17-2008, 05:18
Matrix? Morpheus survived...

pevergreen
01-17-2008, 13:32
Terrible terrible joke. :no:

Crazed Rabbit
01-18-2008, 21:50
It's one of many Hollywood cliches. My personal favorite is the smokin' hot scientist, who is invariably in her early twenties, who just happens to have the vaccine/know the code/defuse the nuclear device/have expertise in the monster/etc.

She usually winds up macking on the hero.

Funny how smart they are, with being a year out of grad school. And looking like models.

CR

Cowhead418
01-23-2008, 05:42
Now now, that isn't always true. Think of Snakes on a Plane. There were many black guys in that movie and not a single one of them died.

Veho Nex
01-23-2008, 05:53
Deep blue( errr one of those shark kill every one movies, you know where they testing sharks to find cure for cancer and the whole facility goes under) the black guy that wears glasses saves to the two white people and lives in the end

lars573
01-23-2008, 06:12
To weird you out even more; Which of the (good) transformers was first to be destroyed in the Transformers movie?

CR
Bad example. Jazz was the only Autobot who died. Bumblebee only got his legs blown off, totally fixable. Plus Jazz wasn't the first Transformer to die overall. That honour goes to Bonecrusher.

CountArach
01-23-2008, 07:48
To weird you out even more; Which of the (good) transformers was first to be destroyed in the Transformers movie?

CR
And why does everyone assume he is black despite him not being a black Transformer? Think about the stereotyping issues there!

Crazed Rabbit
01-23-2008, 08:12
And why does everyone assume he is black despite him not being a black Transformer? Think about the stereotyping issues there!

Ahem. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0566902/)

CR

CountArach
01-23-2008, 08:23
Ahem. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0566902/)

CR
I know, but the Transformer itself is not black...

Beirut
01-23-2008, 12:55
I can't say I'm entirely comfortable with this.

If anyone has a problem with this thread, PM me and it will come down.

caravel
01-23-2008, 13:27
This is a backroom thread IMHO as it discusses the issue of race and racial stereotyping in the media.

:bow:

Beirut
01-23-2008, 14:32
And done. Thank you. :sunny:

To the Backroom and awaaaaayyyyyy!

ICantSpellDawg
01-23-2008, 16:30
Deep blue( errr one of those shark kill every one movies, you know where they testing sharks to find cure for cancer and the whole facility goes under) the black guy that wears glasses saves to the two white people and lives in the end

The black guy doesn't die in a movie about the ocean? That's gotta be double points against the movie stereotype.

caravel
01-23-2008, 17:34
Black people in american movies do seem to have a very limited number of roles available to them. They're usually either comedy actors in movies that are aimed at a black audience, the white cop's partner or they play the typical gangster/prisoner types.

In anything not in this category they tend to be the black guy that dies first or the black guy that dies second (after the hacker/geek/bespectacled secondary scientist/techy guy has died). There are few black actors that have broken out of this and those that have done for the most part still had to do all of this kind of thing in the early part of their career.

Adrian II
01-23-2008, 17:58
Black people in american movies do seem to have a very limited number of roles available to them. They're usually either comedy actors in movies that are aimed at a black audience, the white cop's partner or they play the typical gangster/prisoner types.

In anything not in this category they tend to be the black guy that dies first or the black guy that dies second (after the hacker/geek/bespectacled secondary scientist/techy guy has died). There are few black actors that have broken out of this and those that have done for the most part still had to do all of this kind of thing in the early part of their career.Eddy Murphy? Wesley Snipes? Danny Glover? Will Smith? Do they fit your description?

El Diablo
01-23-2008, 20:53
Black guy in movies - yeah they got it tough I will agree.

But not as bad as the security guys on Satr Trek.

Man there is no way I would head down on some god-forsaken planet with Will Shatner if I was wearing a red tunic. It may as well have been a bulls eye!

If you happened to be black and waring a red shirt - my condolances to your family. :skull:

Goofball
01-23-2008, 21:13
Eddy Murphy? Wesley Snipes? Danny Glover? Will Smith? Do they fit your description?

Welll.....

Arguably the most well known roles Murphy, Glover, and Smith have played have been of the "white cop's partner" variety...

caravel
01-23-2008, 21:24
@Goofball: Exactly.


Eddy Murphy? Wesley Snipes? Danny Glover? Will Smith? Do they fit your description?
Well done for naming the few rare exceptions though Eddy Murphy, originally a talented stand up artist, has starred in pretty much nothing but banal "comedies" in the twilight years of his career. They deserve some credit of course because they all broke the mould at some point.

But not as bad as the security guys on Satr Trek.
Don't even go there... The motto is if you're on an away team with William Shatner, check the colour of your shirt.

:laugh4:

Louis VI the Fat
01-23-2008, 23:52
There are few black actors that have broken out of this B..but there are also black actors who write, produce and star in their own movie! :sweatdrop:
https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/412/aligwn8.jpg

Ronin
01-24-2008, 01:01
The black guy doesn't die in a movie about the ocean? That's gotta be double points against the movie stereotype.

there are 2 black guys on that movie....

one dies half-way through (he is the top star of the movie...which I thought took some balls to kill that character off)...but the other one does survive and in fact kinda saves the day at the end.

Papewaio
01-24-2008, 01:36
If you happened to be black and waring a red shirt - my condolances to your family. :skull:

Benjamin Sisko (Avery Brooks).

Mikeus Caesar
01-24-2008, 02:51
Benjamin Sisko (Avery Brooks).

Greatest black guy of all time.

And definitely one of the best Star Trek captains of all time. In my view, definitely up there with Kirk and Picard.

Proletariat
01-24-2008, 05:46
@Goofball: Exactly.


Well done for naming the few rare exceptions though Eddy Murphy, originally a talented stand up artist, has starred in pretty much nothing but banal "comedies" in the twilight years of his career. They deserve some credit of course because they all broke the mould at some point.



Your 'few rare exceptions' are only the tip of the iceberg.

Denzel Washington, Forest Whitaker, Samuel Jackson, Laurence Fishburne, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Cuba Gooding Jr, James Earl Jones, Spike Lee, Sydney Poitier. Take a look on google, the list goes on and on.

Husar
01-24-2008, 06:30
Denzel Washington, Forest Whitaker, Samuel Jackson, Laurence Fishburne, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Cuba Gooding Jr, James Earl Jones, Spike Lee, Sydney Poitier. Take a look on google, the list goes on and on.
So where are the black women then? :inquisitive:
Apart from two or three they're all supressed, held like slaves in Hollywood for minor roles etc. I see America still hasn't overcome slavery, racism and chauvinism... :drama2:

caravel
01-24-2008, 10:17
Your 'few rare exceptions' are only the tip of the iceberg.

Denzel Washington, Forest Whitaker, Samuel Jackson, Laurence Fishburne, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Cuba Gooding Jr, James Earl Jones, Spike Lee, Sydney Poitier. Take a look on google, the list goes on and on.
All of which still fit the main categories as having been cast in the typical aforementioned roles at some point or other in their career. Basically almost all of these, including Freeman and Jackson, have become famous playing the stereotypical black gangster types. The only real notable exceptions there are Poitier and James Earl Jones. The rest of the black actors probably numbering in their thousands are still filling in playing gangsters, prisoners and criminals when the need arises for them. There isn't so great a need for black women actors as there aren't many white cop's black female partner type roles nor many, if any, female gangsta roles.

HoreTore
01-24-2008, 11:19
Watched "Death proof" last night, the blonde died first...


Now, what does this tell us about our society?

Husar
01-24-2008, 11:30
Now, what does this tell us about our society?
That we hate blondes because they are stupid? ~D

Adrian II
01-25-2008, 04:11
Well done for naming the few rare exceptions [..]They happen to be the most famous black movie actors of the past decade. And none of them fits your bill. I think that what we have here is a white stereotype about black stereotypes in American movies...
[..] though Eddy Murphy, originally a talented stand up artist, has starred in pretty much nothing but banal "comedies" in the twilight years of his career.Who said they all had to be Othello's? He doesn't fit your stereotype black movie career, that's what matters in this context.

Seems to me dat wut we gots here be white self-hatred, bro'. ~D

Caius
01-25-2008, 04:15
Well, Denzel Washington in "Man on Fire" did not die.

Ice
01-25-2008, 04:35
Well, Denzel Washington in "Man on Fire" did not die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbpUgNcjA3k

It's even in Spanish, Caius

:2thumbsup:

(fast forward to the end and you'll get my point)

caravel
01-25-2008, 10:08
They happen to be the most famous black movie actors of the past decade. And none of them fits your bill. I think that what we have here is a white stereotype about black stereotypes in American movies...
Twist it around all you like but the fact remains that you are naming a choice few whereas I am referrring to the largely unknown majority that only check in for bit parts as prison inmates and gangsters.


Who said they all had to be Othello's? He doesn't fit your stereotype black movie career, that's what matters in this context.
I don't have any fixed idea of the stereotypical "black movie" career. Your argument is based solely on the few that made it and nothing more so it's your good self that falls firmly into this category.

Seems to me dat wut we gots here be white self-hatred, bro'. ~D
Congratulations on getting the wrong end of the stick and at the same time proving yourself to be so entirely out of touch.

The fact remains that most black actors are still slotting in to the same kinds of roles (you will rarely see a black actor in a movie where he is not holding a firearm of some sort), of course there are exceptions (which you are siezing upon) though on the whole most of those are far too political. Some of these cliched movies literally seem to scream at you: "looks he's black and he's the head of the CIA!!" or "look he's black and he's the president!" or "look he's black and he's a brilliant scientist!!". TV shows are markedly different, hollywood is where this situation persists.

:thumbsup:

Adrian II
01-25-2008, 10:17
Welll.....

Arguably the most well known roles Murphy, Glover, and Smith have played have been of the "white cop's partner" variety...I don't think you and Glover actually watch movies, or else you would know what nonsense this is. In the Beverly Hills Cop movies for instance every white cop is "Murphy's partner", not the other way round. As for Caravel's admission that blacks do play all sorts of roles, including scientists etcetera, that hole in his foot must be the major obstacle that stops him going to the movies.

Xiahou
01-25-2008, 10:26
Caravel, you're applying shifting standards that are tailored to meet your definition.

With just a few minor tweaks, one could make the case that the vast majority of white actors are never given serious roles, are usually holding guns, or have parts that are degrading, ect. Remember, it's not fair to mention any big name stars, since they're just the exceptions to the rule. Try to name some white actors who aren't A-list that have never held a gun, played a silly role and so on. I think you'll find the overwhelming majority of all actors have had silly, degrading, or just plain lousy roles at some point in their careers.

Black people make up only about 12% of the US population, yet anyone can name a list of serious, respected black actors off the tops of their heads. Statistically speaking, I'd say they're well represented as a race.

doc_bean
01-25-2008, 12:15
Black people make up only about 12% of the US population, yet anyone can name a list of serious, respected black actors off the tops of their heads. Statistically speaking, I'd say they're well represented as a race.

It's the hispanics who should be up in arms about this !

Husar
01-25-2008, 12:33
Some of these cliched movies literally seem to scream at you: "looks he's black and he's the head of the CIA!!" or "look he's black and he's the president!" or "look he's black and he's a brilliant scientist!!".
One might say the fact that they scream that to someone just proves this someone is a minor racist as someone who isn't wouldn't even think like that.
That doesn't mean I never had that thought. :drama2:

Fragony
01-25-2008, 14:16
Latin America has a very active movie scene of their own, could have something to do with the low amount of latin actors in Hollywood.

caravel
01-25-2008, 18:24
I don't think you and Glover actually watch movies, or else you would know what nonsense this is. In the Beverly Hills Cop movies for instance every white cop is "Murphy's partner", not the other way round. As for Caravel's admission that blacks do play all sorts of roles, including scientists etcetera, that hole in his foot must be the major obstacle that stops him going to the movies.
Wrong. I made no such admission. Yet again you're basing your entire argument on a handful of examples based on a minority of actors instead of the majority. Think about the roles where black people are excluded from instead of just reeling out one example after another. Well done with the veiled personal attacks and now addressing me in the third person btw.

Caravel, you're applying shifting standards that are tailored to meet your definition.

With just a few minor tweaks, one could make the case that the vast majority of white actors are never given serious roles, are usually holding guns, or have parts that are degrading, ect. Remember, it's not fair to mention any big name stars, since they're just the exceptions to the rule. Try to name some white actors who aren't A-list that have never held a gun, played a silly role and so on. I think you'll find the overwhelming majority of all actors have had silly, degrading, or just plain lousy roles at some point in their careers.

Black people make up only about 12% of the US population, yet anyone can name a list of serious, respected black actors off the tops of their heads. Statistically speaking, I'd say they're well represented as a race.
I don't see where I have applied shifting standards. I've stuck to my original opinion that a few make it where most continue in the typecasted roles. Every counter argument has involved examples of the few that make it as evidence that all must have varied roles and the typcasting is a figment of everyones imagionation.

While white actors often play gun toting criminals, gangsters and cops partners' at some point in their careers they don't rely on these as their staple. Black actors always do in order to get off the ground, it's only when they've become more recognised that they tend to get more varied roles. Examples being Will Smith, started out in comedy, mainly aimed at a black audience, moved on to cops partner roles (men in black being one that springs to mind) playing the typical part, then moved on to more varied roles such as The Pursuit of Happiness and I Am Legend. A few make it most don't but most seem to follow a similar route. Yes Xiahou you can argue the same for some white actors as well as those from other ethnic backgrouns, hispanics were traditionally cast as bandana wearing terrorists for example, italian amerian actors as mafiosos etc. With black actors though the typecasting is much more obvious, with roles limited according to a white person's perspective of black culture.

One might say the fact that they scream that to someone just proves this someone is a minor racist as someone who isn't wouldn't even think like that.
That doesn't mean I never had that thought. :drama2:
Please define both major and minor variant racists. By your logic because I've noticed this kind of typcasting in movies I'm a "minor racist"? That's news to me.

:bow:

Vladimir
01-25-2008, 18:27
While white actors often play gun toting criminals, gangsters and cops partners' at some point in their careers they don't rely on these as their staple. Black actors always do in order to get off the ground, it's only when they've become more recognised that they tend to get more varied roles. Examples being Will Smith, started out in comedy, mainly aimed at a black audience, moved on to cops partner roles (men in black being one that springs to mind) playing the typical part, then moved on to more varied roles such as The Pursuit of Happiness and I Am Legend. A few make it most don't but most seem to follow a similar route. Yes Xiahou you can argue the same for some white actors as well as those from other ethnic backgrouns, hispanics were traditionally cast as bandana wearing terrorists for example, italian amerian actors as mafiosos etc. With black actors though the typecasting is much more obvious, with roles limited according to a white person's perspective of black culture.

Bad Boys is what truly launched Will Smith's cinematic career. Martin Lawrence was his partner, both cops. Watch it and the sequel, they're very good. :2thumbsup:

Fragony
01-25-2008, 18:35
:inquisitive:

They are horrib;e

Vladimir
01-25-2008, 18:38
:inquisitive:

They are horrib;e


~:eek:


BURN!!! :devil:

Racist! (might as well throw that one in there :laugh4: )

Crazed Rabbit
01-25-2008, 20:20
Man, Caravel, I'm sorry, but I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

What was the biggest show on TV in the late 80s/early 90s? The Cosby show.

Your allegations of what roles black actors start out with are based on your own assumptions, not any hard data. And you know what they say about assuming things.

CR

caravel
01-25-2008, 21:34
What was the biggest show on TV in the late 80s/early 90s? The Cosby show.
Was it? Maybe in your country it was, though it was still an all black comedy show aimed chiefly at a black audience. It was a typical example of keeping all blacks together in the same show/movie. Funny that you never see any all chinese or all hispanic shows of this sort. And if you want to use comedy series as an example you may notice that in Friends, there were never any black "friends" were there?

Vladimir
01-25-2008, 21:43
Was it? Maybe in your country it was, though it was still an all black comedy show aimed chiefly at a black audience. It was a typical example of keeping all blacks together in the same show/movie. Funny that you never see any all chinese or all hispanic shows of this sort. And if you want to use comedy series as an example you may notice that in Friends, there were never any black "friends" were there?

You better laugh when you say that...because I am. :laugh4:

Lemur
01-25-2008, 21:46
And if you want to use comedy series as an example you may notice that in Friends, there were never any black "friends" were there?
This proves, decisively, that American entertainment is mired in racism. What's more, that opening song in "Friends" was clearly performed by some sort of all-white soft-rock band. No brother would ever sing that insipid dreck.

Furthermore, children are forced to read William "Whitey" Shakespeare all the time in school. We shall overcome!

Crazed Rabbit
01-25-2008, 21:53
Was it? Maybe in your country it was, though it was still an all black comedy show aimed chiefly at a black audience. It was a typical example of keeping all blacks together in the same show/movie. Funny that you never see any all chinese or all hispanic shows of this sort. And if you want to use comedy series as an example you may notice that in Friends, there were never any black "friends" were there?

The biggest show on TV. In a nation of less than 15% Black people.

Think about that. Or don't, since that seems to be reason behind your posts.

CR

HoreTore
01-25-2008, 21:56
Furthermore, children are forced to read William "Whitey" Shakespeare all the time in school. We shall overcome!

Bah. Shakespeare. British crap at its worst.

Should've read Dumas instead. And he's black too!

caravel
01-25-2008, 22:08
That's it keep piling it on to poor old caravel I can take it. :laugh4:

Vladimir
01-25-2008, 22:17
That's it keep piling it on to poor old caravel I can take it. :laugh4:


Aye, she's a sturdy ship! :pirate2: :captain:

Evil_Maniac From Mars
01-25-2008, 22:38
https://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4986/warnabrother768jc7jh9.jpg

Adrian II
01-26-2008, 20:24
That's it keep piling it on to poor old caravel I can take it. :laugh4:Awwww. Come on, Caravel, you know I will gladly recognize your superior knowledge in other parts of this forum. :beatnik2:
But this is the Backroom, buddy, where a person's mistakes have a tendency to go :tnt: in their face.

Strike For The South
01-26-2008, 21:50
That's it keep piling it on to poor old caravel I can take it. :laugh4:

where do you live?

Shaka_Khan
01-28-2008, 03:24
In many movies, the blonde beauty, wealthy people, and people having sex suffer too.

Vladimir
01-28-2008, 14:08
In many movies, the blonde beauty, wealthy people, and people having sex suffer too.

Pre-marital sex (little sluts! ~;p )

Rameusb5
01-28-2008, 21:46
Maybe it's just me projecting my own feelings but perhaps Hollywood (and hopefully the world in general) is less and less about racial stereotypes every year.

Yes, they still exist, but there's still movement towards giving roles to people that aren't based solely on their race. Deathproof was a great example of this. Race didn't come into it at all.


Sometimes people WANT there to be racial tension, and I have seen that on both sides of the fence. To be perfectly frank, in my experience the people who play the "race card" the most are the people who racism targets.

I do not intend to offend anyone by the above statement. I am simply stating my own experiences.

Vladimir
01-28-2008, 22:25
Maybe it's just me projecting my own feelings but perhaps Hollywood (and hopefully the world in general) is less and less about racial stereotypes every year.

Yes, they still exist, but there's still movement towards giving roles to people that aren't based solely on their race. Deathproof was a great example of this. Race didn't come into it at all.


Sometimes people WANT there to be racial tension, and I have seen that on both sides of the fence. To be perfectly frank, in my experience the people who play the "race card" the most are the people who racism targets.

I do not intend to offend anyone by the above statement. I am simply stating my own experiences.

Race wasn't a factor in Deathproof? What movie were you watching? Not that I mind but the black girl did play a pretty stereotypical role. You even had commentary about the (alleged) feud between Aussies and Kiwis (yea, whatever, they all look alike to me)

Goofball
01-28-2008, 22:36
I don't think you and Glover actually watch movies, or else you would know what nonsense this is. In the Beverly Hills Cop movies for instance every white cop is "Murphy's partner", not the other way round. As for Caravel's admission that blacks do play all sorts of roles, including scientists etcetera, that hole in his foot must be the major obstacle that stops him going to the movies.

I was referring not to the Beverly Hills Cop series, but to the movie 48 Hours, which was Murphy's big screen debut, and is the quintessential "white cop with funny black partner" movie. It was the movie that really kicked off Murphy's career.

Anyway, I was not necessarily agreeing with the OP's premise for the thread. I was just pointing out that those specific actors were not very good examples for arguing against the stereotype role idea.

Rameusb5
01-29-2008, 18:25
Race wasn't a factor in Deathproof? What movie were you watching? Not that I mind but the black girl did play a pretty stereotypical role. You even had commentary about the (alleged) feud between Aussies and Kiwis (yea, whatever, they all look alike to me)

Well, you're probably right. Problem is, I just don't pick up on that stuff anymore. Many of the people I work with are black and I just stopped caring about it after a while.

I come from a place where there was only one black kid in my school, so I didn't know what to think about the whole thing. But the truth of the matter is that in my (albeit short) experiences working in a mixed race environment, it's all "much ado about nothing."

In short, the whole problem of race is entirely in everyone's head. It's a social problem and quite frankly, if everyone would just shut up about it, it would be gone in a generation.

I never will understand why we judge people based on the color of their skin. Even dogs don't do that (to each other). It's learned behavior and it's bad behavior. The fact is you can TEACH a dog to be racist. That's pretty scary.

Spino
01-30-2008, 19:16
Well, you're probably right. Problem is, I just don't pick up on that stuff anymore. Many of the people I work with are black and I just stopped caring about it after a while.

I come from a place where there was only one black kid in my school, so I didn't know what to think about the whole thing. But the truth of the matter is that in my (albeit short) experiences working in a mixed race environment, it's all "much ado about nothing."

In short, the whole problem of race is entirely in everyone's head. It's a social problem and quite frankly, if everyone would just shut up about it, it would be gone in a generation.

I never will understand why we judge people based on the color of their skin. Even dogs don't do that (to each other). It's learned behavior and it's bad behavior. The fact is you can TEACH a dog to be racist. That's pretty scary.

I've known a few dogs in my lifetime who were clearly alarmed and/or agitated by the presence of black people despite never having been conditioned to do so... much to the surprise of their owners. This might have something to do with their being surrounded by European and East Asian ethnic groups throughout most of their lives. However one of those dogs didn't bat an eye when in the presence of similarly dark ethnic groups such as Indians, Phillipinos & Egyptians. Obvious physical differences aside these canines might also be picking up on subtle differences humans cannot detect; smell, pheromones, body language, etc. When you're dealing with a species whose sense of smell and hearing is far superior to that of primates there are other criteria to consider.

Vladimir
01-30-2008, 19:42
It's the smell. Dogs don't "see" a black or white person, they know the different smells.

KukriKhan
01-30-2008, 19:56
It's the smell. Dogs don't "see" a black or white person, they know the different smells.

Source, please.

Vladimir
01-30-2008, 20:05
Source, please.

A source for the fact that dogs judge the world through their nose. Are you serious? :inquisitive:

KukriKhan
01-30-2008, 20:11
A source citing that dogs distinguish and differentuate between the smells of africans and europeans - or that africans and europeans smell differently to dogs.

Vladimir
01-30-2008, 20:21
A source citing that dogs distinguish and differentuate between the smells of africans and europeans - or that africans and europeans smell differently to dogs.

As with the other post, details are important:

We're all from Africa. I would imagine that an African would smell MUCH different than a European, even a Frenchman (sorry :hide:).

Things to consider: Culture (as stated in another thread = diet), genetics (body chemistry, do you think hair color is the only difference?), body language, speech and a whole slew of other factors to include their owner's subtle reactions.

You want more info, watch the Dog Whisperer. Spino has it nailed down pretty well. If dogs differentiate individuals by smell, they surely do it to racial and cultural groups.

Then there's the anecdotal reference about some black people who have some gland or tissue in their abdomen which emits a smell. Confirmed with the strange habit of some people placing deodorant on their bellies.

Oh well, I imagine the original topic is pretty much played out anyway.

Lemur
01-30-2008, 23:29
For what it's worth, I once owned a female Rottweiler who freaked out around Italian-American men. Not women. Not hispanics. Nobody else. She could identify Italian men, and she just didn't like 'em. I imagine smell had something to do with it, and beyond that I was never able to explain much of anything.

I guess that differences in diet are enough to allow a dog to tell ethnic groups apart, as well as any minor differences in hormonal balance and/or sweat glands. Some days I'm very, very glad that I can't smell that well.

Louis VI the Fat
01-31-2008, 00:31
She could identify Italian menDid they eat a lot of garlic perhaps? Authentic Italian food? Even I can smell when somebody ate (a lot) of garlic the day before. Without them breathing. Other very spicy dishes make you smell differently too, noticable for human noses. Lord knows what it must be like for a dog...


I guess that differences in diet are enough to allow a dog to tell ethnic groups apart, as well as any minor differences in hormonal balance and/or sweat glands. Some days I'm very, very glad that I can't smell that well.Actually, if I have to believe some studies that I've seen floating around over the years, humans go a long way. Newer studies suggest that humans can, for example, smell women ovulating, though you won't be aware that you do.

Olfaction has a profound subconscious effect. Take the following important work of science (http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s888984.htm) for example. ~;)

Being exposed to the smell of a sweaty male armpit can make a woman feel calmer, according to a new study by a U.S. research team.

Papewaio
01-31-2008, 03:13
Being exposed to the smell of a sweaty male armpit can make a woman feel calmer, according to a new study by a U.S. research team.

:coffeenews: Most people are calmer after sweaty sex.