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edyzmedieval
01-24-2008, 22:50
What is arrogance? The troubled teenager inside me suddenly found himself told many times that he is arrogant, and that recently, I was told that I had no remorse for my actions.
The common thing that I personally noticed was that arrogance was sent to me only by acquaintances, and just slightly by close friends.
I despise people who are fake, think they are cool when in fact they are actually destroying themselves... The typical cool guy tells me that i'm very arrogant with him.
Hmmm, thoughts?
I feel :alien:
Arrogance is believing you are always right and everyone else is always wrong. If a person does not listen to other peoples' opinions and dismisses them out-of-hand, then they are arrogant. If a person is not willing to at least try new and different things because they believe their old ways are better, then they are arrogant.
For a teenager, the typical manifestation of arrogance is belittling the advice of adults.
Arrogance is also believing that you are superior or better than others, for whatever reason.
Vladimir
01-24-2008, 23:54
What is arrogance? The troubled teenager inside me suddenly found himself told many times that he is arrogant, and that recently, I was told that I had no remorse for my actions.
The common thing that I personally noticed was that arrogance was sent to me only by acquaintances, and just slightly by close friends.
I despise people who are fake, think they are cool when in fact they are actually destroying themselves... The typical cool guy tells me that i'm very arrogant with him.
Hmmm, thoughts?
I feel :alien:
Why should I help some mere child from a backwater country? Where I live even a 5 year old knows what arrogance is. If this is a concept you can't understand maybe you should just drop out of school and save your parents the money.
Peasant! :toff:
ehem, for example :sweatdrop: sorry, feel dirty now.
Strike For The South
01-25-2008, 05:43
Im not arrogant. Im just right
Mouzafphaerre
01-25-2008, 06:05
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We may not be always right but we're on the right so it's all right. Vote VNF!
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Mikeus Caesar
01-25-2008, 06:47
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We may not be always right but we're on the right so it's all right. Vote VNF!
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Get out get out get out!
Don't make me get my broom!
edyzmedieval
01-25-2008, 08:13
For a teenager, the typical manifestation of arrogance is belittling the advice of adults.
Ohhhh....
What's arrogance in talking then? :help:
For a teenager, the typical manifestation of arrogance is belittling the advice of adults.Or friends. Especially friends ~:)
What's arrogance in talking then?In general, just a presumption that you're always right, be it through dismissing the opinions of others out of hand, even (especially?) if they appear flat-out wrong to you. It's the normal teenage opinion of thinking that just because you believe something, you're right :yes:
Duke John
01-25-2008, 08:45
Strange that all the explanations are about (thinking) being right. According to a few online dictionaries (and my understanding), it has more to with "proceeding from undue claims or self-importance". Most of the time you can pick out the arrogant people without listening to one word they are saying. It is not about being right, that is in their eyes only a logical consequence of being so important :wink:
It's good to actually be right and important like me, because it means I can't be arrogant. ~:)
arrogance = a superiority complex. Somebody who is arrogant is somebody who thinks he is better and more important then others and who shows this in his attitude. Most arrogant people don't realise that they are being arrogant.
Beefy187
01-25-2008, 10:43
Too much pride to acknowledge the fact that your wrong. Pretty much the best way to loose your friends real quick.:sweatdrop:
doc_bean
01-25-2008, 11:50
You're a teenager, which means you're probably arrogant. Don't worry to much about it.
You're young, so you probably believe you can take on the world (especially since you're also rich), a lot of people, certainly adults might think you are arrogant since you want to achieve things they never have (or have already achieved, jealousy is a *****). This is not your fault, don't give up your dreams too soon.
You're young, you probably have moral principles you still believe in strongly. Other people might feel that you think you're better than them because you stick to your principles. It actually happens that other people do something they know is wrong, and you don't participate (even without actually judging them),a dn they'll think you're arrogant.
Claims of arrogance often go hand in hand with jealousy. Just remember that you are not actually better than most people. That you certainly don't deserve better than anyone else (for whatever reason). And that pretty much everyone just tries to make the best out of life, so don't be to quick to judge. :bow:
You're a teenager
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You're young
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You're young
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Excuses, you should tell a teenager to behave like me for example, not that he can go on with his arrogance. Yes, he is young and that's the best time to learn about humility and that listening to old Husar is important.
Young people who think they can do what they want are in no way okay or right or anything like that, they can make others feel pretty bad or, like has been said by others who are almost as good as I am, they can lose their friends, so saying that they're young and it's okay is wrong and just shows you haven't reached an acceptable level of wisdom, doc_bean. :sweatdrop:
Very good points mentioned already...I would like to add: Arrogance is often used by people as a mask to hide their real feel/personlity. Dunno, just the impression I have. Sometimes shy persons use it, me thinks, kinda like as a buffer against the world....:inquisitive: .
doc_bean
01-25-2008, 13:04
Excuses, you should tell a teenager to behave like me for example, not that he can go on with his arrogance. Yes, he is young and that's the best time to learn about humility and that listening to old Husar is important.
Young people who think they can do what they want are in no way okay or right or anything like that, they can make others feel pretty bad or, like has been said by others who are almost as good as I am, they can lose their friends, so saying that they're young and it's okay is wrong and just shows you haven't reached an acceptable level of wisdom, doc_bean. :sweatdrop:
Well, usually, I feel teenagers should just shut the **** up. They are indeed arrogant and inexperienced, but as long as they don't bother me personally, I support them :laugh4:
it ain´t arrogance if it´s true ~D
edyzmedieval
01-25-2008, 13:59
You're a teenager, which means you're probably arrogant. Don't worry to much about it.
You're young, so you probably believe you can take on the world (especially since you're also rich), a lot of people, certainly adults might think you are arrogant since you want to achieve things they never have (or have already achieved, jealousy is a *****). This is not your fault, don't give up your dreams too soon.
You're young, you probably have moral principles you still believe in strongly. Other people might feel that you think you're better than them because you stick to your principles. It actually happens that other people do something they know is wrong, and you don't participate (even without actually judging them),a dn they'll think you're arrogant.
Claims of arrogance often go hand in hand with jealousy. Just remember that you are not actually better than most people. That you certainly don't deserve better than anyone else (for whatever reason). And that pretty much everyone just tries to make the best out of life, so don't be to quick to judge. :bow:
I find that the claims of arrogance come from stupidity and immaturity, like what happened to me last night. In the school, we have a committee, which is a group of 10 guys who are doing different activities for the rest of the school. Lots of people want to get into it, so last night, I just went into a room near me, and started talking to the guys about the election and stuff. And I just said it point blank that I didn't vote for the guy (he was in the room, it was his room shared with other 2 guys). The rest were like what the heck man, I think it's time you leave this room. I left, and later on the guy who candidated told me - man, dont be so arrogant, especially with those guys... :inquisitive:
I've had problems with 2 of my teachers, one of them being the class teacher. He called me arrogant because I didn't want to listen; the problem was with the Romanian professor. At that time we didn't have, so I continued insisting that we didn't have and he kept telling me to go to the Languages director, to sort it out.
The claims relating to my arrogance are mostly based on my cynic and sarcastic character over other people.
And this doesn't relate to social class; tbh it has nothing to do with it, especially away from home.
The Stranger
01-25-2008, 14:00
I'm not arrogant... I'm God...
no seriously... I don't get the typical teenager obsession with arrogance, I see it esspecially with girls, always when they have a problem with each other, at least one motive is arrogance...
the definition has already been given... I think the best you can do is, keep acting arrogant and ignore them :P
I find that the claims of arrogance come from stupidity and immaturity,[...]
How arrogant... ~;)
It's hard for me to judge from what you described, but the sentence above and the one I will quote now:
The claims relating to my arrogance are mostly based on my cynic and sarcastic character over other people.
lead me to believe that you may indeed come across as arrogant, whether you are or not. First off you say you're cynic and sarcastic over other people. :inquisitive: Either that implies you think you're above them or we have a misunderstanding, it would fit with the quote above though which implies that you think those who say you're arrogant are stupid and immature, I can't judge them as I don't know them but maybe they aren't and you're just being arrogant. ~;)
And even if all that doesn't apply when you're cynic and sarcastic towards other people you might make the impression that you don't take them seriously, know everything better and deem yourself superior, whether you actually think that or not, they may think you're arrogant.
Think about it, reflect on yourself and don't always look for faults on others first. :bow:
Very good points mentioned already...I would like to add: Arrogance is often used by people as a mask to hide their real feel/personlity. Dunno, just the impression I have. Sometimes shy persons use it, me thinks, kinda like as a buffer against the world....:inquisitive: .
Yes, that's very true :yes:
doc_bean
01-25-2008, 14:38
The claims relating to my arrogance are mostly based on my cynic and sarcastic character over other people.
Errr..well cynism and sarcasm are actually arrogant forms of humor, since they're about making fun of other people and putting you above them.
Sarcasm seems so awesome when you're a teenager, but after a while you realize how dumb and overused it tends to be. Cynism is also hardly anything to be proud of when you're young (or old for that matter). It implies a rather closed outlook on live.
Maybe you should look at yourself for the answer as to why you are perceived as arrogant. But like I said, the love of sarcasm is nothing strange for a teenager. And most of you are arrogant anyway.
Errr..well cynism and sarcasm are actually arrogant forms of humor, since they're about making fun of other people and putting you above them.
Sarcasm seems so awesome when you're a teenager, but after a while you realize how dumb and overused it tends to be. Cynism is also hardly anything to be proud of when you're young (or old for that matter). It implies a rather closed outlook on live.
Maybe you should look at yourself for the answer as to why you are perceived as arrogant. But like I said, the love of sarcasm is nothing strange for a teenager. And most of you are arrogant anyway.
Yep, we are ~:)
edyz, if people are calling you arrogant, it's probably not because they're bored and need something to do :beam:
Just have a look at yourself, see what you're doing to irritate people, and consider changing it if necessary. It never hurts to be aware of what you're doing in that regard :grin2:
To make a long story short = it's called growing up.
Off course you don't listen when a teacher tells you to do something. Off course you get into trouble with people of your age, especially those of the same sex. Off course you are thinking now: "who does that Andres think he is, lecturing me and belittling this serious and important problem!".
You're a teenager! :grin:
Don't worry too much about it. A little identity crisis at your age is perfectly normal. We all know that you have a more then decent set of brains and that you are a nice and friendly guy. You'll be just fine ~;) ~:pat:
KukriKhan
01-25-2008, 15:10
And I just said it point blank that I didn't vote for the guy
That's it, mate.
You told the truth, but were blunt, and proud of the bluntness. And it cut off any other conversation.
If it doesn't really bother you, change nothing.
The down-side of being arrogant, is that folks ignore you (unless you're in a position of power over them - then they just hate you).
If you want to see what life is like on the other side of the arrogant fence, try these 2 things:
-ask questions instead of making statements. Pretend to listen for the answer - and ask a follow-up question.
-every time you feel the word "I" coming out of your mouth, choke it back, and find someother way to say what you were going to say. Example: "I hate oranges!" becomes: "Oranges are kind of messy aren't they; how do you keep the juice from running down your arm?".
Try it for a week, and see if things are different.
LittleGrizzly
01-25-2008, 15:20
I'd say a little bit of arrogance is good, Arrogance isn't far from confidence, from being a confident person whose pleased with life is a short step away from arrogance.
It is only when you allow this arrogance to stop you asking for help or taking it when offered. For example someone who thinks they don't need to listen to instructions from someone experienced assuming they are good enough to do it without help.
Myrddraal
01-25-2008, 15:42
Arrogance often manifests itself by being disparaging of those you disagree with.
Go with Kukri's way, not only will you annoy people less, but if it turns our your source of info isn't infallible, then you'll make less of a fool of yourself. It's a good feeling to bring an arrogant person down a notch or two.
For example, what if you had said to this guy "I can't agree with your policy on x and y" rather than "I didn't vote for you", maybe he'll defend his ideas, and who knows, he might actually have something to tell you you didn't know.
Just assuming that you were right to not vote for him, end of discussion, is what is arrogant in your behavior I think.
EDIT: but LittleGrizzly is also right imo, it's a balancing act :smile:
It is possible confidence is sometimes confused with arrogance.
It seems often it's about attitude and social activities, and sometimes when people are told something they don't like (but it is undeniably true), they quickly resort to calling the person or persons arrogant as it gives them a feeling of safety or comfort (or even superiority(!!!)).
Some people also use it for power and control over others: to accuse one of arrogance is an easy dirty way to attempt to control a person or an activity between the accuser and the person or another and the person, as it as -- after all -- an attack on the man.
There are also people who are consciously/unconsciously "not being arrogant" because they fear to be perceived as arrogant or possibly it is a lack of self-confidence or required ability that makes people take things easy to protect themselves from certain shame or something -- to secure their feeling of comfort.
You could very well turn things around and state that being humble -- the opposite of arrogant -- COULD be a way of masking weakness, inability, one's own nature, etc., and to very well have your selfish agenda or character.
There are people who question the ones they perceive as "arrogant", but there are also people who question the ones who are "humble": both sides have probability for the same purposes in the end; they just seem to be different tools.
I question any man and any woman. I question any human regardless of what they might appear like.
Arrogance = ignorance, EOD. ~D
The Stranger
01-25-2008, 19:43
Errr..well cynism and sarcasm are actually arrogant forms of humor, since they're about making fun of other people and putting you above them.
Sarcasm seems so awesome when you're a teenager, but after a while you realize how dumb and overused it tends to be. Cynism is also hardly anything to be proud of when you're young (or old for that matter). It implies a rather closed outlook on live.
Maybe you should look at yourself for the answer as to why you are perceived as arrogant. But like I said, the love of sarcasm is nothing strange for a teenager. And most of you are arrogant anyway.
:inquisitive: I'm not arrogant... I know I'm not... and who are you btw to say I am... some doc?... :sweatdrop: ...:2thumbsup:
arrogance is made up by society to have something to whine about... end of discussion...
Seriously... it is...
to be honest, I say, just be who you are, that doesn't mean you can't look at yourself and change parts of yourself you don't like, or want to change because people you hold dear are annoyed by. It does mean however, that you shouldn't change yourself just for wanting to be liked, by what you said earlier in this thread I doubt you will.
Also you can be confident without being arrogant, though most definitly there will always be people who will mistake it with arrogance, which usually not a problem at all. Although alot of those people, are acting arrogant as well, by assuming without really knowing you, that you are arrogant and so decide to ignore you or act the same way, making it just worse...
Arrogance, tricky one. A person (goes without saying, teenager) in my 6th form could be classed as arrogant. generally it is some sort of a swagger and a tendency to a) always be right b) voice oppinions regardless of context/company and c) tilt head back, 45 degree angle and omitt loud choruses of "Ye Ye Ye" whilst vigourously nodding.
I wage war on you Doc_Bean, first you beat me at snake then you hurl a barrage of abuse at teens. I'm sure we outnumber you 'oldies'!! :laugh4:
Rodion Romanovich
01-25-2008, 21:13
What is arrogance? The troubled teenager inside me suddenly found himself told many times that he is arrogant, and that recently, I was told that I had no remorse for my actions.
The common thing that I personally noticed was that arrogance was sent to me only by acquaintances, and just slightly by close friends.
I despise people who are fake, think they are cool when in fact they are actually destroying themselves... The typical cool guy tells me that i'm very arrogant with him.
Hmmm, thoughts?
I feel :alien:
Remember, if the ladies say you're arrogant, it means they like you, so keep doing whatever you're doing. If the guys say you're arrogant, it means they're jealous over your success with the ladies, so keep doing whatever you're doing, unless the guy goes to gym every day and lifts 200 kg in bench press. :yes:
edyzmedieval
01-25-2008, 21:41
My arrogance comes from my nature of poking at people and especially when people are really dumb. My poking is in the form of sarcasm, which I find it as a perfect way of saying you're stupid without them noticing it. There are some people who you really can't poke at, because they're smart enough to get it, but most of them don't. People say that it's not a wall, it's my mindset that thinks like that, but I do not have the desire to change, because if you are like with the cool guys and stuff, there's no more fun. Cool nowadays means smoking, drinking, massacre the clubs (like one of the guys said in his speech)... I'm not that group.
Sarcasm is an intelligent way of humour, in my opinion. Few people can use sarcasm really well, and around here, we do have some great examples, some using derived forms of sarcasm.
The Stranger
01-25-2008, 22:17
wow... you just... like... made... the typical arrogant remark... really... what makes you think you are smarter than them, even when people sometimes act dumb, or when they make a naive remark, which is easily translated to dumb, or an ignorant remark (read ignorant as in not knowing, and not as in retarded/extremely dumb) doesn't mean they are dumb. And also even if you are smarter than them its not reason to be mean or pretend to better... simply... because you are not...
just being smarter makes no better human being, we might not be equal but we are equally.
You don't have to be intelligent to be arrogant though
If you were inteligent, you would not be arrogant.
woad&fangs
01-26-2008, 01:23
The lines between confidence/arrogance/cockiness are blurry at best and often change based on the situation. Don't you go to some rich person boarding school, Edyz? You probably are a bit arrogant but than again so are most of the people who are calling you arrogant. Plus, it comes with being a teenager. You're usually either arrogant or have lousy self-esteem. Very few manage to take the middle path between those two.
Mouzafphaerre
01-26-2008, 01:54
You don't have to be intelligent to be arrogant though
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True. :yes: Ignorance fuels arrogance. :wizard:
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Mouzafphaerre
01-26-2008, 01:55
If you were inteligent, you would not be arrogant.
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False. :rtwno: Intelligence combined with pride also fuels arrogance. :girlslap:
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False. :rtwno: Intelligence combined with pride also fuels arrogance. :girlslap:
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The fuel price is too high, so I doubt that will happen.
Mouzafphaerre
01-26-2008, 03:03
The fuel price is too high, so I doubt that will happen.
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Global warming notwithstanding. :yes:
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My arrogance comes from my nature of poking at people and especially when people are really dumb. My poking is in the form of sarcasm, which I find it as a perfect way of saying you're stupid without them noticing it. There are some people who you really can't poke at, because they're smart enough to get it, but most of them don't.
Honestly, I wouldn't poke fun at anyone in that way who wouldn't get it, it's not a good look ~:)
People say that it's not a wall, it's my mindset that thinks like that, but I do not have the desire to change, because if you are like with the cool guys and stuff, there's no more fun. Cool nowadays means smoking, drinking, massacre the clubs (like one of the guys said in his speech)... I'm not that group.Which is fine, of course. But just because you think they're a bunch of irritating stuck up self centered immature short sighted idiots, doesn't mean it will do you a lot of good to tell them that :book:
Sarcasm is an intelligent way of humour, in my opinion. Few people can use sarcasm really well, and around here, we do have some great examples, some using derived forms of sarcasm.
It can be intelligent, sometimes. But the most important thing you need to learn when using sarcasm (and forgive the patronizing tone of this post, by the way :laugh4:) is exactly how far you can push it with any given person. There's always a line, and you never want to cross it, unless you're looking for a reaction.
edyzmedieval
01-26-2008, 08:19
The fuel price is too high, so I doubt that will happen.
You've just seen it happen. :skull:
Nihilist turned arrogant.
Identity crysis. Damn, I hate these things. Please read my user title and react accordingly. :beam:
*slap*
I'm not in favor of picking on stupid people usually because I don't think anyone chose to be stupid. That's different from people choosing to do something stupid, but then everybody does that once in a while and is happy when others don't pick on her/him for that so where we end up is don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you.
Yes, there are people more stupid than others but then there are people who try to treat them in a somewhat nice or neutral way and those who want to send them rotten burgers in a box via mail and that's where we arrive at a moral judgement and also the point where some don't want to be with the mean guys because you get the impression they like to poke fun behind anyone's back as long as the respective person won't notice it was them or what they did.
The Stranger
01-26-2008, 13:26
well... I know a guy who got the choice at birth, brains or a hamburger... He chose the latter... It shows... believe me...
It can be intelligent, sometimes. But the most important thing you need to learn when using sarcasm (and forgive the patronizing tone of this post, by the way :laugh4:) is exactly how far you can push it with any given person. There's always a line, and you never want to cross it, unless you're looking for a reaction.
Being able to be sarcastic about one self is also an easy way to appear less arrogant (not if the sarcasm is used to illustrate ones superiority :laugh4: ).
Rodion Romanovich
01-29-2008, 21:15
Being able to be sarcastic about one self is also an easy way to appear less arrogant (not if the sarcasm is used to illustrate ones superiority :laugh4: ).
I think you misunderstand the point here. The very purpose is to illustrate ones superiority, without appearing arrogant :2thumbsup:
My definition: People who brag in public about how good they are and how pathetic others are, for whatever nonsense reason.
There's loads of them here at uni... I either ignore them, or tell them they're childish jerks.
As far as I know, you're not like that, in fact, you have nothing to be ashamed about in your charactere. Stay yourself, and especially, don't feel bad about yourself because people criticize you. There will always be such people.
edyzmedieval
01-31-2008, 16:26
I guess I should turn back into myself. I realised that by being so nice to people you get pushed aside, and people tend to think that oh you're nice, but that's it. I tried being very nice to people but unfortunately we kind of live in a world where the strongest survives.
I'll just simply ignore them. Best to do like that, and concentrate on the things that I really like. Screw the rest.
Vladimir
01-31-2008, 17:38
I guess I should turn back into myself. I realised that by being so nice to people you get pushed aside, and people tend to think that oh you're nice, but that's it. I tried being very nice to people but unfortunately we kind of live in a world where the strongest survives.
Blame Darwin. It helps me sleep at night.
Rodion Romanovich
01-31-2008, 17:53
Don't kill the messenger :tongue:
I think you misunderstand the point here. The very purpose is to illustrate ones superiority, without appearing arrogant :2thumbsup:
Superiority has many faces... :2thumbsup:
I guess I should turn back into myself. I realised that by being so nice to people you get pushed aside, and people tend to think that oh you're nice, but that's it. I tried being very nice to people but unfortunately we kind of live in a world where the strongest survives.
I'll just simply ignore them. Best to do like that, and concentrate on the things that I really like. Screw the rest.
Just be yourself. Don't sell someone who isn't you. I am Caius, and I act like the real Caius do. You don't have to be false to show yourself, because one day or other, people will discover who is edyzmedieval.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
02-01-2008, 05:29
Im not arrogant. Im just right
Because you the King of Texas. But so am I, because I am the King of Swissland and the Wolly BHC Emperor! :yes: :laugh4:
But yea Arrogance is a bad trait to have. It may make your friends with cool kids, if you act tough and stand up to adults, but won't do you any good in reality.
Rodion Romanovich
02-01-2008, 14:45
SFTS for President! :2thumbsup: :charge:
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False. :rtwno: Intelligence combined with pride also fuels arrogance. :girlslap:
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No, actually all you need is to have the perception of having intelligence, or any other outstanding skill or characteristic.
Mouzafphaerre
02-02-2008, 00:52
No, actually all you need is to have the perception of having intelligence, or any other outstanding skill or characteristic.
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That's true but not exclusive of my point.
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RoadKill
02-02-2008, 00:59
Isn't it arrogant to tell someone else they are arrogant?
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Well anyways. Don't worry about it. I'm arrogant myself. Except that when I think that I am better at something then someone else.. I usually am... So people don't complain about it.
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That's true but not exclusive of my point.
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Ooooh yes I see.
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