Homage and Princess rating

[Crimson Castle]

You should be able to curry favor with the various rulers if you
1. send them a good ambassador (high level emissary or Bishop) to their capital.
2. send money or offer (good rated) princess for marriage.

Your Princess should get a rating - based on their beauty and social skills - ie her ability to charm men. OT, Helen of Troy caused a major war due to her beauty.

[Pragmatic]

Slightly off-topic, but how does a priest gain a rating? I've never seen mine do so....

Is it the number of provinces that they spend preaching in?

[Crimson Castle]

Its only a suggestion for MTW1.1 at this stage.

Priest should get a rating similar to the Generals. When you create a unit, the computer sometimes automatically gives a level 3 or 1 rating to the commander.

The Priest can perhaps be able to increase their rating by their role in getting peace pacts, or by converting people (which is totally computer generated anyhow), etc..

[Yoko Kono]

priest can start with higher ratings and their ratings can increase
try sending 10 priests into muslim land to start a religious revolt, then check out the priest ratings

[Crimson Castle]

Priests going into Muslim territory to start a riot or vice versa?

Those sort of things should be banned in MTW1.1

Priests, Imans, and emissaries and princess etc... who walk into (enemy) territory deserve to get hanged or kidnapped on the whim of the ruler.

[Bob the Insane]

I ended up with a three star princess. She was sent to wed various Kings, but all the Royals were married, so she just got treaties and a rating for each one she succeeded at..

I think the thing with where agents can go should be a little more complicated...

Spies and Assassins are fine as the are now.

Emmisaries are the same too as one of their jobs is to be sent into dangerous places with messages, but they should be in more danger when in enemy territory.

Princesses should still be able to travel as the laws of Chivilary, the Church and Islam should protect them, but will be more vonerable abroad..).

Regious figures, well within the areas of their own faith they should freely no matter what there nationality. Moving into areas of other faiths should place them in danger..

The easiest way to do this, I think, whould be to increase the probability of a kill by an assassin when the agaent is outside his/her own territory. For political units this is their own kingdom/empire, for regious units this would be where the own religion is the strongest.

Maybe allowing spies to attempt to kidnap other agents and ransom them, and allow emmisaries to target regious agents to attempt to kick them out of your territory, and allow inquisitors to target any other agant they can see to attempt to try them as heretics (100% chance of success against Imans.. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif).. All of these actions should have a change a success and failure based on the rating of the units...

Also the success chance of actions should also depend on where the units are (which nation is in control, their attitude to your nation and the dominant religion of the province in question)..

[Crimson Castle]

That sounds good. But I didn't realize that Princess can acquire a rating for getting treaties.

[dclare4]

Yeah princesses can get ratings but they're pretty useless because they have to either get married or retire to a convent. Altogether I believe the role of princesses and priests is way too limited. Priests were the original historical emissaries of the period but here they seem to be limited to preaching and converting. Princesses likewise could be great influences on their husbands and royal marriages should be worth at least a victory point in the great achievements table. There's no mention of dowry or anything like that when historically a princess like Eleanor of Aquitaine netted King Henry Plantagenet of England the entire realm of Aquitaine. Likewise Margaret d'Anjou's marriage to Henry VI lost the English Anjou and Maine as part of her dowry. This so incensed the English people whose manfolk had fought and died for these places and was one of the causes of the wars of the Roses.

Gilbert de Clare

[TheLastEuropean]

Quote Originally posted by dclare4:
Altogether I believe the role of princesses and priests is way too limited. Priests were the original historical emissaries of the period but here they seem to be limited to preaching and converting.[/QUOTE]

Priests can make alliances too.

[Crimson Castle]

Quote Originally posted by dclare4:
... Margaret d'Anjou's marriage to Henry VI lost the English Anjou and Maine as part of her dowry. This so incensed the English people whose manfolk had fought and died for these places and was one of the causes of the wars of the Roses.

Gilbert de Clare[/QUOTE]

There's a good documentary on "Castles at War" on the History Channel (Fox tel Cable).
They cover the Anglo-French 100 years war.

Its pretty bloody. The English really went on a bloody rampage slaughtering (millions) of French villagers who were often denied protection by the French military. "Bah, they're serfs".

[shokaku76]

Quote Originally posted by Alita:
There's a good documentary on "Castles at War" on the History Channel (Fox tel Cable).
They cover the Anglo-French 100 years war.

Its pretty bloody. The English really went on a bloody rampage slaughtering (millions) of French villagers who were often denied protection by the French military. "Bah, they're serfs".

[/QUOTE]


Hmmm... Alita... is that from the Manga Battle Angel Alita? She rocks! Kicks ass with Panzerkunst....