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These units look good in the stats and cheap?
But r they anygood? Anybody tested them?
insolent1
09-18-2002, 02:57
the no dachi of medieval europe. they are very good at flankin/rear attacks but they don't last long like the no dachi becuase they have a very weak defence. i had one gallowglass when the turks invaded. I put them pretty much 1on1 with a 43 man unit of janissary heavy infantry. They kicked ass for the first few seconds on the melee killing roughly have the other unit then they got slaughtered. They are one of my favorite units now but they always take a lot of losses just like the no dachi http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I feel they tend to take more losses than the No-Dachi.
But they are great for fights where the enemy is bogged down fighting another unit. Any enemy will feel the power of their charge... It is a deadly 8!!! The same as most heavy cavalry. Add those 8 to their attack of 6 and you get 14, not many can withstand this.
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So you guys are looking for a fast attacker with good attack but likely not much defense?
Ghazi Infantry.
Yes, with Ghazis it is even more important to not engage head on... those -4 to def hurts badly. Wedge them to get the most out of them...
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Stephen Hummell
09-18-2002, 05:46
Gallow glass have poor morale too, so in my books they a useless.
And that all of the shock troops (Highlander, Gallowglasses, Ghazi, etc) use armor piercing does help a little, too http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif.
I just charge with them. They are really cheap, especially when using the English. Even with Ghazi, I just engage the enemy middle and just charge the flanks. Even if some of those guys charge back at me, I'll just build new ones.
Gallowglasses also have the smallest support cost per unit, equivalent to peasants, so garrisoning with them is a good idea.
Couscous
09-18-2002, 13:49
Gallowglasses may have low morale, but their impetuous attitude seems to make up for this. I tend to find that they'll fight pretty much to the last man.
Gotta love them Irish.
So which are better the Ghazi, Highlanders, or Gallowglass. Or is it just a play style thing.
Are the Kerns any good?
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Attacking units with good morale and speed? Try the Vikings. You'll never go back! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Att - 3
Def - 0
Morale - 4
Charge - 3
Price - 175!!!
- armour piercing, try them on MAA http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
- overall combat value: 3 + 0 = 3
At v3/4 they're literally killing machines with very high morale and attack values.
Ghazi infantry look nice (5 att) and morale (8!!!), price 175 (same as viks) but that -4 defense is really bad - they will die tremendously fast and if you get flanked you're dead, altough they morale is excellent. 5 - 4 = 1
I still would prefer Vikings...but the Ghazi morale is definetely an asset too.
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[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 09-18-2002).]
Well, I like the Gallowglasses in large encounters because they are "samurai", meaning they ignore friendly routers.
The Highlander have only the fort as requirement though, you have them almost right from the start as England ...
The GallowGlass are almost the same as the Vikings but the former got 5 att (viks got 3) and the latter got 4 morale (gallows got a poor 0)
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NinjaKilla
09-18-2002, 16:34
Gallowglass are the reason to be English. Just make sure that the unit they charge is already engaged and keep em back off your main line becuase they auto-charge. As for the honour, well they only cost 175 so I m sure you can afford to slap a few florins on them.
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Those Gallowglasses have that badass 8 in charge as well. I think that is the highest charge of any infantry (not counting Hashishin). So if you can get a Gallowglass charge into the flank of an enemy you can sure they will break soon. Even Royals fare badly when flanked by them.
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TheLastEuropean
10-06-2002, 02:21
I really like GallowGlass and have taken the trouble to give them some Gold Shield armour. I use them as throw-away units and so usually end up just charging them head on into anything and everything. With the armour upgrades they are magnificent. I haven't done actual tests but I use them carelessly and I always have a healthy number in each unit left after even the hardest battles. Stick 'em in a wood and they fight like demons!
Ghazi will absolutely DESTROY anything if it flanks it, especially from the rear.
Quote Originally posted by Arcsim:
Ghazi will absolutely DESTROY anything if it flanks it, especially from the rear.[/QUOTE]
..And gets self-destructed in the process http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif I just love them, but they are a one-time use mostly.
Lord Romulous
10-06-2002, 10:17
quote:
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Originally posted by Arcsim:
Ghazi will absolutely DESTROY anything if it flanks it, especially from the rear.
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..And gets self-destructed in the process I just love them, but they are a one-time use mostly.
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lol just like heavy cav. but much cheaper. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
well i find that you charge them ahead of your melee troops to cause heavy damages, but you have to follow up quickly, else they get routed
Michael the Great
10-06-2002, 17:50
Why do Gothic Foot Knights get 9 charge??????????????????????????????????????????????????
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