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Kalt
10-05-2002, 18:14
I always play on expert. I have serious trouble ever convincing factions I beat down into accepting a cease-fire. Simply offering them a cease-fire every turn never works, beating them into submission and leaving them with 1 empty province, less than 10 troops and no buildings THEN offering a cease-fire doesnt work.......

Offering to marry princesses doesn't work, asking their princesses to marry you doesnt work. Using rank 4 emissaries doesnt work, using Priests/Alims doesn't work.

Nothing I have tried has ever worked. It seems like, once I go to war with a faction, my only recourse is to eliminate their faction entirely. This is very annoying.

In my turk early campaign, I eliminated Egypt, but the Almos are confined to portugal, the Poles are confined to silecia, and the Hungarians are locked up tight in croatia. These 3 enemies of mine are allied to virtually everyone, leaving me zero diplomatic options.

I am asking you all if there is ANY WAY to somehow make peace with these poor, wretched, gimp factions.

(I know I can use spies to kill the faction with revolts, wait till another faction occupies their lands, then use spies to provoke a re-emergence against the new occupier. That is a whole lot of trouble to go through though.)

p.s. why to nations that sneak attack, STILL sneak attack even though I load the previous turn and dump undefeatable super-army stacks in the targetting province which can wipe out the attackers while taking less than 10 losses on autocalc? I killed a byzantine king and like 3 princes that way: they attacked with 200 crap troops against my 2000+ elite troops with a rank 9 general......

Paladin
10-05-2002, 18:25
Not accepting a ceaasefire is the games' way of telling you to go **bleep** yourself. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Seriously, at this point, the AI has nothing to win by accepting a ceasefire or any other offers of positive diplomatic effort. So you have to wipe them out. Anyway, why wouldn't you just wipe them out at this point anyway?

And, as for the spies, I used them so successfully in my last campaign that they clearly were too powerful a tool to use against the AI. The AI does not know how to defend against them. I would send in 10 spies into just about any province, some with border forts, and create rebellions that would either immediately takeover the province or would wear down the enemy so much that I would easily walk into the province in a few years without risk of much loss.

I'm working on eliminating the spy feature for both the AI and myself for my next modification to the 1092 campaign just so I can't easily win in less than 100 years.

ravenking
10-05-2002, 21:03
I can see why he wouldn't want to eliminate the faction. Re-appearing factions are really suck. If your plan is to leave them with one province to prevent them from re-appearing, the best plan would be this. leave them in a province with a castle of some sort. Every few years raid the province and force them back to the castle. Then destroy all the buildings to prevent them from making armies and then pull out.

ToranagaSama
10-05-2002, 22:49
I want to make them Vassals!!

insolent1
10-05-2002, 23:26
The AI won't make peace/alliance with you becuase more than likely you are the most powerful faction and when you are the most powerful the AI will do all it can to stop you. I have found by staying small and never breaking alliances that I have allies to the very end "1453" & whenever war breaks out I can get a ceasefire very easily but I play GA mode so this dosen't really apply to the conquest game. Beating them down to one province & waiting for maybe 50 turns then you will get a ceasefire. One other thing I noticed I had the HRE stuck in Denmark so I made saxony revolt and let the HRE get it, I got a ceasefire 2 years later

Dwimmerlaik
10-06-2002, 04:01
Well, after hammering the crap out of the Byzantines in my Expert Turkish game (1192)they offered mea ceasefire quick smart after I had thrown them out of Eastern Europe and modern-day Turkey..I almost didnt notice them do it, coz suddenly my fleet ceased attacking theirs and my sea lanes cleared up like the sniffles on Benadryl.

[This message has been edited by Dwimmerlaik (edited 10-05-2002).]

Frantz
10-06-2002, 04:35
For my experience the only way is stopping to make war to them , leave them alone and in peace for 10/15 years and THEY will ask for peace ( somethimes not always ).
Ive found that being the nation tha control europe ( the puppet's master ) is much more rewarding than conquer every province and much funnier to play .

el_slapper
10-06-2002, 14:29
Well, once at war against the poles, after 25/30 yrs of no-fight, I offered them peace. 2 yrs later, we exchanged princesses!

But it remains somewhat rare.....

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stranger_2
10-06-2002, 21:23
well... let me do some advertising here... it seems U could contribute a bit to the on how to make diplomacy work (http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/002519.html)... pliz? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif