View Full Version : Map is wrong. Devs look here!!!
MajorPain
10-06-2002, 18:59
Why cant I attack Finland from Norway. I should be able to do that. The boarders of Sweden, Norway and Finland conects in the north. So I should be able to attack Finland atleast from Sweden without the boats.
You should try to get the map correct in a patch too.
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MajorPain
10-06-2002, 19:29
Yes I am and the Novgorods ships are moving back and forward between Kattegat and Östersjön and I cant catch them no matter what I do.
And I dont want to go thru both HRE and Poland just to get to Novgorod
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Well that answeres why you cant get to finland then. Use longboats to chatch his faster ships. They are outrunning whatever you are trying to use agaist them.
Quote Originally posted by MajorPain:
Why cant I attack Finland from Norway. I should be able to do that. The boarders of Sweden, Norway and Finland conects in the north. So I should be able to attack Finland atleast from Sweden without the boats.
You should try to get the map correct in a patch too.
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Geez, you know, you're right. And they didn't include Siberia or North America either! As the Russians I should be able to March across Siberia and North America and invade England from that direction, instead of having to attack Poland, the HRE, and France first!
The map isn't wrong - it just doesn't go far enough north for you. It is correct insofar as the areas it shows.
Grifman
stranger_2
10-06-2002, 20:15
well, but he still should be able to get to finland without ships - so the map IS wrong. maybe the idea is, that the northern parts of scandinavia are too cold 4 an army to go through?
Quote Originally posted by looser:
well, but he still should be able to get to finland without ships - so the map IS wrong. maybe the idea is, that the northern parts of scandinavia are too cold 4 an army to go through?[/QUOTE]
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif On a more reasonable note, given that that area was largely unpopulated, heavily forested, no roads or rivers to use in transporting an army, I suspect that it would be impossible to support an invading army across that territory. Hence, if you couldn't get from Sweden to Finland via ships, it wasn't worth going at all. After all, what Viking would walk if he could sail?
Grifman
ravenking
10-06-2002, 22:28
I follow grifman. they had to stop the map somewhere. If they put northern provinces in, then people would want more to the east. If those were put in, they would want, like, brazil or something. People always want more, and there has to be a boundry somewhere.
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MajorPain
10-06-2002, 22:34
I am using longboats.
There are mountains in this map that you can go over so the woods in norhtern sweden shouldnt be problem to go thru. And there are rivers that could be used.
Its not much colder in norhtern sweden then it is in southern sweden.
It is a damn lot farther to over america to get to england and if u wanted to go over there u would have to go thru alot of more factions. Didnt u think of that Grifman. And the theme of this game is Medieval Europe not Medieval World. So they could atleast have whole europe map
And there have always lived people in northern sweden so roads shouldnt be the problem. I dont think they had roads to go over the Alps in that time
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Quote Originally posted by ravenking:
I follow grifman. they had to stop the map somewhere. If they put northern provinces in, then people would want more to the east. If those were put in, they would want, like, brazil or something. People always want more, and there has to be a boundry somewhere.
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unless of course they made the whole earth which would be kinda cool but would be too massive for most comps
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Quote Originally posted by MajorPain:
And there have always lived people in northern sweden so roads shouldnt be the problem. I dont think they had roads to go over the Alps in that time
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I wonder whether Hannibal would agree......
Quote Originally posted by MajorPain:
There are mountains in this map that you can go over so the woods in norhtern sweden shouldnt be problem to go thru. And there are rivers that could be used.[/QUOTE]
Mountains have passes, which have been used historically for hundreds of years - or else no one could have gotten to France from Italy http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Forests without roads or rivers are virtually impassable without them. So first off show me a map of the area in the 11th century with all the roads. Secondly, I looked at physical map of Scandinavia and I saw no rivers going from northern Sweden to southern Finland - so please name the "rivers" you are speaking of.
Quote Its not much colder in norhtern sweden then it is in southern sweden.[/QUOTE]
Didn't mention the temperature.
Quote It is a damn lot farther to over america to get to england and if u wanted to go over there u would have to go thru alot of more factions. Didnt u think of that Grifman. And the theme of this game is Medieval Europe not Medieval World. So they could atleast have whole europe map [/QUOTE]
You need to turn on your humor/sarcasm detectors http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Quote And there have always lived people in northern sweden so roads shouldnt be the problem. I dont think they had roads to go over the Alps in that time[/QUOTE]
Roads big enough to support an army? Or just trails for the people that lived there. And you don't "think" they had roads over the Alps? Tell you what, rather than "thinking" how about facts? Tell us what roads existed in northern Sweden that linked to southern Finland in the 11/12th centuries. If you can't then you don't have an argument.
Grifman
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ravenking
10-06-2002, 23:01
You're right, it is "Medieval" Europe. So, was there anyone in northern sweden that any fuedal kings cared one bit about in those times? I think not. It was just not important enough and no one really payed attention to it.
MajorPain
10-07-2002, 00:03
hrvojej:
exactly my point
Grifman:
my last post (dont count this one) i answerd several posts not only yours.
And I never said that it was only one river there are several rivers. And if you think whole northern sweden is coverd with woods then your wrong there are open space too and the norhtern people of sweden have lived on their reindeer so they needed bigger "roads" then trails
One more thing of attacking Finland from Sweden. If you attack Finland you dont just attack southern finland. ie. If u attack Khazar from georgia you get the northern part of that province too. My point is if I attack finland I get the northern part of that land too so a river from northern sweden to southern finland wouldnt be needed.
All I want is that they have the whole Europe map and not only left out a part of it. How hard could it be to add the northern part of Scandinavia and Finland????
Anyway the map is wrong as so many things about this game. So they could fix that in a patch too.
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