View Full Version : Hmm... odd about Heirs...
Deamoclese
10-03-2002, 03:34
Ok this has been bugging me for a long time... why is it that some factions have vastly superior heirs than others? Anytime I play the brits I get amazing princes with great stats and usually good virtues/vices.
However, everytime I play Danes my first few princes always have like 2 or 3 loyalty, vices that give -9 morale, secret incest and endless more... once king olaf dies, you never ever get a half decent heir!
Is it totally random or pre-determined? Cus I can't get a damn decent king and I've gone through 9 of 'em... whereas brits almost always have an excellent one..
Yoko Kono
10-03-2002, 04:39
good kings produce better offspring generally
ive found that the english (there are no brits in MTW) produce crappy heirs while, for me, byzanyium gets great heirs
England for me has always seemed to have a high number of heirs who love young boys or are unhinged loons. The danes were so so but the Egyptians seemed to have a high number of god like heirs.
Try the Byzantines if you want a good family.....
The Turks somehow are always drunk (-2 command; both heirs and star generals). Very annoying.
Cardinal
10-03-2002, 06:30
Quote why is it that some factions have vastly superior heirs than others?
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It's all down to breeding http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
LittleGrizzly
10-03-2002, 06:39
my brit kings suck!! a once had 8 hiers 7 had a eager to retreat giving -9 morale - 3 command!!!!
Cardinal
10-03-2002, 09:20
I really think this part of the game should have been better thought through. Although I undersatnd that Royal marriages had little to do with love, or if they even liked eachother one would think that if you married Superman King to a princess with 5 Ph.D.'s you would at least get an heir who could tie his own shoelaces. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
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Quote Originally posted by Cardinal:
Although I undersatnd that Royal marriages had little to do with love, or if they even liked eachother one would think that if you married Superman King to a princess with 5 Ph.D.'s you would at least get an heir who could tie his own shoelaces. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
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Maybe, but if you do it over and over again, over the course of hundreds of years......... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
[This message has been edited by hrvojej (edited 10-03-2002).]
Ok, this is really getting annoying!!!
As the Turks, all my star generals get the drunk vice one by one. I remember as the Italian they were all getting "odd number of toes". It is freaking ridicilous.
So is this like a special modifier for expert level?
Yes, in my experience, on expert you can expect to see a bit more bad vices, and a bit less high stars crated off the bat.
And when you think that drinking is even against their religion.. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Durendal
10-03-2002, 10:09
"And when you think that drinking is even against their religion.."
With four wives I can see as how they could be sorley tempted http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Cardinal
10-03-2002, 10:28
Quote Originally posted by hrvojej:
And when you think that drinking is even against their religion.. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif[/QUOTE]
Well, there is religion, and there is religion. As far as I can remember the Turks were quite new to Islam at this time, and very much at the fringe of Islam, so frankly, I am not surprised the have a weakness for the bottle.
Eternity in hell might be preferrable to life in sorbiety with 4 wifes!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif
If only heirs would have that problem.
My Italian King has about no Influence (3).
I figured how to get some nice virtues ... how do I get Influence ??
PS: Having your heir sit in the middle of your kindom doing nothing, they seem to attract some bad vices (like drinking etc.) ... seems without the action of battle they become lazy http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif.
A good way to boost your heirs as the HRE is to sacrifice a province. Preferaly Bavaria by destroying all the the buildings and leaving no army. Then each time there's a revolt supprese it with your heir's army. Your heir gets better command, and usually gets some virtues like good defender and attacker if you do this a lot.
And I think marrying foriegn princesses instead of just a gentle lady of the court makes better heirs.
Oh, and remeber to purge yourself of the crappy next in line heirs through glorious battles (straight into pike formations or spears).
This usually helps a bit. Or at least I convince myself to think it does.
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And I think marrying foriegn princesses instead of just a gentle lady of the court makes better heirs.
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longjohn actually answered this some time ago, that is not the case, but if we hoped enough it might just happen... I vetoed. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
The king who is in power will (mostly) have heirs of equal quality... so a lousy king produces worthless heirs. That is why the Danes seem to have such a bad family, they never get anywhere so the king gets bad Vices which in turn means his sons are going to be crappy...
So always go for the best heir to become king (by killing off the others hehehe).
That way you are pretty certain you will get a good line of heirs.
I have great heirs in my current English campaign, I got them by weeding out the weak and putting the strongest on the throne...
I feel a bit like a puppeteer hehehe...
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BTW, Danish Crusades are true to history.
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GAH!
Vanya wonders... does building a tavern in a province tend to sway its governors and resident royalty to the bottle more so than if it were not present?
Does a brother sway a governor and resident royalty to incest or pedophilia?
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GAH!
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Pachinko
10-03-2002, 22:02
Quote Vanya wonders... does building a tavern in a province tend to sway its governors and resident royalty to the bottle more so than if it were not present?
Does a brother sway a governor and resident royalty to incest or pedophilia?[/QUOTE]
I think...Yes. If I remember there is topic for that. Long time ago. But I dont remember.
P.
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Cool, I play as the Danes too and my Heirs are crap also. If I get someone with a command of 3, no terrible valour minus and no more then 2 vices by the time they are 30 I'm really happy. I had some good ones but wasn't able to kill the bad succession line fast enough... I have a few excellent generals who used to be Heirs now.
The newest patch was a gluttonous, scarred lunatic and a drunken adulter. Happy to say I was able to kill them in the deserts of Northern Africa before succession. Then my oldest "semi-ok" Heir became the king and was instantly awarded with "avarice"!!! Believe you me, that is a vice you DON'T WANT TO HAVE. Damn.
In conclusion: Yes, the Dane royalty is not impressive in Medieval: Total War. Infact they appear to suck, since you are the umpteenth player to say that.
ravenking
10-03-2002, 23:28
In order to increase influence: try some sucessful crusades. These really help, but be careful, if you lose the crusade, you lose influence.
Quote Originally posted by Ligur:
Cool, I play as the Danes too and my Heirs are crap also. If I get someone with a command of 3, no terrible valour minus and no more then 2 vices by the time they are 30 I'm really happy. I had some good ones but wasn't able to kill the bad succession line fast enough... I have a few excellent generals who used to be Heirs now.
The newest patch was a gluttonous, scarred lunatic and a drunken adulter. Happy to say I was able to kill them in the deserts of Northern Africa before succession. Then my oldest "semi-ok" Heir became the king and was instantly awarded with "avarice"!!! Believe you me, that is a vice you DON'T WANT TO HAVE. Damn.
In conclusion: Yes, the Dane royalty is not impressive in Medieval: Total War. Infact they appear to suck, since you are the umpteenth player to say that. [/QUOTE]
Hehehe... Sounds horrible http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I must admit my Spartan ways of making sure the best survive don't save me from the nutcases.
My latest heir was a Tortured, Horribly Scarred (hmmm tortured and scarred, they do go in hand don't they?), Dead Drunken (duh wonder why) Rank 5 general with good Loyalty and Piety...
When I saw him on the stratmap I thought he looked great, but then I saw the combined -30 Health.... He would die if the enemy even looked at him.
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BTW, Danish Crusades are true to history.
You may not care about war, but war cares about you!
Themicles
10-07-2002, 14:11
I am currently playing as the Danes, and my heirs are halfway decent. Not a whole lot of high star generals, but they still get the job done. It does seem possible to improve your heirs by using your king to fight. If I am not mistaken, the king of the Danes started off with 4 stars. Not a terribly impressive general, but I put him at risk anyway.
I had played the Danes once before, and was sick of the German's ownership of Saxony getting in my way, as I like to keep the German's as an ally. First thing I did was to make a matching force to that of the defenders of Saxony and attacked. My king instantly gained Virtues for being a good commander.
(note: I have noticed that my royalty tend to get more vices than virtues if I Auto Resolve... hence, I never do. I have gained my king quite a few virtues for good tactics on the battlefield by commanding it myself, and, surprise, using good tactics)
Sadly, my king died in his 60s... he had rapidly conquered about 1 province per year.
And, as a result, the prince that was born AFTER many of the provinces had been conquered, was a 5 star general, and generally good all around.
Ni!
Themicles
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