TruePraetorian
02-23-2008, 06:04
The main purpose of this thread will be to re-create the ancient Senate of Rome.
Every few game years, we will elect new Senate officials. Voting and the number of votes each family holds is based upon:
A. The current offices held. Each office will hold a certain value.
B. The number of family members one's faction has in the Senate.
C. The Senate (TruePraetorian) and their favorability to the faction.
-You would get more votes if The Senate looks upon you favorably.
---Senate Positions---
There are 600 Senators of Rome. Out of these Senators, only a selected few abtain offices. The Julii, Brutii, and Scipii families are Senators based upon birth. Anyone born into their name is automatically qulaified to become a magistrate. Every other member of the Senate is controled by the Senate (TruePraetorian).
The current senate positions are listed but are liable to change:
Listed in decending order:
2 Consuls—Chief magistrates who convened and presided over the Senate and assemblies, initiated and administered legislation, served as generals in military campaigns, and represented Rome in foreign affairs. Consuls could appoint and/or serve as dictator for up to 6 months in times of emergency when the constitution was suspended. When their term of office was completed, consuls usually governed a province as proconsul.
8 Praetors—Served primarily as judges in law courts, but could convene the Senate and assemblies; they assumed administrative duties of consuls when these were absent from Rome. When their term of office was completed, praetors might govern a province as Propraetor.
2 Censors—Elected every 5 years for terms of 1½ years; revised lists of senators and equestrians; conducted census of citizens and property assessments for tax purposes; granted state contracts.
2 Aediles—Supervised public places, public games, and the grain supply in the city of Rome; 2 were required to be plebeians, and the other two (who had more status) could come from either order; the latter 2 were called curule aediles. We will only use the two that are non-plebian. There is originally 4.
20 Quaestors—Administered finances of state treasury and served in various capacities in the provinces; when elected quaestor, a man automatically became eligible for membership in the Senate, though censors had to appoint him to fill a vacancy.
---Term Specifics---
Consul - 1 year - minimum age 41 - Imperium
Praetor - 1 year - minimum age 40 - Imperium
Censor - 1 1/2 years - No Imperium (A list of Censors is chosen every 5 years)
Aedile - 1 year - No Imperium
Quaestor - 1 year - minimum age 30- No Imperium
Imperium - The right to veto a vote from a magistrate who ranks lower then yourself.
--Votes per Office--
Consul - 10
Praetor - 8
Censor - 6
Aedile - 4
Quaestor - 2
-34 Senators hold a total of 144 votes, 566 regular senators hold 566 votes: A total of 710-
-A Magistrate may not vote for himself-
--Votes Needed per Office--
Consul - 70
Praetor - 35
Censor - 25
Aedile - 20
Quaestor - 10
-Voting: Family members are elected to high positions through the number if votes. You can only progress one rank at a time (Quaestor to Aedile, Aedile to Censor, etc.). The Senate (TruePraetorian) will vote in accordance to these factors.
---Office Benifits---
Each office has its own benifits; Notably making the faction in question stronger, richer, and more influential.
Consul - Has Imperium over every other magistrate, even other Consuls. This power allows him to veto any decision made by a lesser magistrate, e.g. Votes to attack a faction or send a legion into enemy territory. The Consul has the ability to command the Legions under Senate request. The Consul is the last choice in the chain of voting, for the sole reason that he (they) have the ability to veto any bill trying to be passed over any other Senator. After serving his 1 year turn, he may either be re-elected or seek governership over a province. If he fails to become re-elected the year after his term is up, he has one of two choices:
1. Run for election the next year. This excludes him from becoming a proconsul if he fails to be re-elected. or,
2. Accept his proconsulship. If he does, he ends his political career and may govern his province. If no provinces are left, The Senate will choose a province owned by a lesser proconsul.
Proconsuls still have the ability to lead The Legions if requested by the Senate.
Praetor - Has Imperium, with the same rules as the Consul. He is the second-to-last member of magistrates that can vote on a bill or law. His imperium applys to everyone under him, and the other Praetor. Praetors have the right to command The Legions by request of Senate, just as a consul does. The only exception is he may not choose his territory if he becomes a propraetor; his territory will be assigned to him. A propraetor may serve in the same territory as a proconsul, but the proconsul has authority over the propraetor. The propraetor still has command over The Legions if requested by the Senate. After serving his 1 year term, the Praetor may follow the political path as noted below:
1. He may run for election as Consul. If he fails his election:
2. He may run again for the office of Praetor. If he fails this election:
3. He may either run once more for Praetor only the following year, or may become a propraetor, governing a province or commanding The Legions at the Senates discretion.
4. If he chooses to run for Praetor again instead of taking Propraetorship, his political career will come to an end, and he may only vote as other Senators.
Censor - Does not have Imperium over smaller magistrates. The Censor is responsible in maintaining the Morals of the State. A Censor has command of The Legions at the request of The Senate. To maintain the Morals of the State, the Censor will be responsible for noting the current status among other factions. He will make posts every 6 months about the state of the Republic, her allies, and her enemies. Since there is two Censors, each will be given their own sphere of influence on which to report, dictated by The Senate. After serving thier term, the Censor may run for Praetor. If one Censor dies while holding office, the other must resign on religous meanings. The consequences for failing to resign is punishment by death.
Aedile - Does not have Imperium. The Aedile is responsible for the building and development of citys. Each Aedile will be assigned a sphere of influence designated by The Senate. Aediles do not have command of The Legions, but may serve as secondary commanders if requested by the Senate, as can every Senator. Each turn, the Aedile will advise the bulding of specific structures based upon various factors, such as public order and monetary income. A faction may request funding for specific building projects from the Aedile, who will publicly announce it. After an Aedile's term is up, he may run for re-election or may seek the office of Censor.
Quaestor - Does not have Imperium. The Questor's will be each assigned a province at the beginning of their term. They will notify the Senate about any monetary problems, profits, etc. as to maintain the Republic's economy. After a Quastor's term is up, he may seek re-election, or run for Aedile.
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--The Legions--
The Legions are the sole protection of Rome and her borders. They will be maintained by The Senate. If directed to do so, the Legions may be recruited to assault an enemy of Rome or her allies. After the need for the Legion is done, the Legion may be disbanded by The Senate. Many magistrates may take command of The Legions at the Senates request. The Legions will be commanded by said magistrates, or by a General of Rome. Note, General's of Rome will never qualify as Senators, as they hold no senate standing and do not count as family members. Unless instructed to disband, The Legion will remain alive as long as the Senate needs it. Funding for The Legions will be provided by The Senate, as to maintain complete control.
--Voting--
Voting will be conducted in 5 phases:
1. A member of The Senate will suggest such a bill.
2. The Senate will vote upon the bill.
3. If the vote succeeds, the bill passes to the Praetor.
4. If the bill is accepted by both Praetors, the bill passes to the Consuls
5. If the bill is accepted by both Consuls, the bill is immediatley set into place.
Bills can take the form of anything, from declaring Rome's enemys to restraints on Legion funding. These bills will be announced in a seperate thread of laws and orders, only to be written in by The Senate (TruePraetorian)
--Rome's economy--
All matters that need funding, such as Legions, will be done so at the Senate's expense. Therefore, each faction is expected to pay 3/4ths of their semi-annual income to The Senate of Rome. Any cities that do not make a profit (negative money) will be fully paid for by The Senate. This method is to ensure that The Senate has complete control over the ruling familys and military, while still leaving enough money to be spent on things such as bribing votes.
Any profits made from the spoils of war may be kept by the faction in question.
Failure to comply with these rules will result in an investigation by numerous Quaestors. If results show that the faction in question has not been paying its taxes, the faction will be stripped of all Senate rank. If further disobeyement occurs, The Senate will not hesitate to outlaw said faction.
--Bribing Votes--
At the expense of 1000 denarii, the faction of choice will recieve one extra vote on the family member of thier choosing. This may be used multiple times to gain political offices.
--Missions of Rome--
The Senators and magistrates of Rome will all vote on all matters, as stated above. When a bill is passed needing a faction to complete a task, and the task is completed, The Senate will reward the faction with monetary value for its tasks.
i.e. War has been declared on Gaul. The Senators have agreed that taking the city of Patavium would greatly boost economy and trade throughout northern Rome. The task was voted upon, and it was agreed that Consul Flavius Julius and Praetor Marcus Julius, who were both of northern Rome, to take command of Legio Gallia XI and assault the city within. After completing said task within the year, Consul Flavius Julius and Praetor Marcus Julius are awarded the sum of 10,000 denarii for their efforts, as long as they agree to retrain Legio Gallia XI. They agree, and are awarded 10,000.
Here is more on the story
With the new amount of 10,000 denarii, the money is spent bribing 10 votes from the Senate. These 10 votes give Consul Flavius Julius 72, just enough votes to be re-elected as Consul. Before his re-election, he used his 10 votes on Praetor Marcus Julius, who reaches 70 votes. Both Julii are now Consuls of Rome, giving the Julii great authority for the next few years. Both can vote during elections with 10 votes, to make sure the Julii are kept in office.
These are the benifits of progressing through the Senate ranks.
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Aediles, ???-???
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Proconsuls and Propraetors
(proconsul/propraetor) ??? - (province or legion)
Check this post often as rules may be added/removed.
Example:
Aedile report, Marcus Brutus:
The following citys request funding for the following projects:
Arretium: Highways, 1200d
Salona: Port, 800d
Patavium: Port, 800d
This was an Aedile reporting. His sphere of influence is obviously "North-East"
Censor report, Amulius Maxentius:
The state of Rome and the following factions:
Parthia: War, moving west towards Greece
Pontus: War, moving mainly north towards Parthia
Seleucia: Allied, moving mainly north towards Armenia
Greece: Protectorate, idle but building in military strength
Macedon: Allied, moving south towards Greece, potential conflict
Egypt: Neutral, moving west towards Carthage
Armenia: Neutral, not advancing but defending agaisnt Seleucia
Carthage: War, moving east towards Egypt, but mainly north towards Scipii, conflict inevitable
This was a Censor reporting. His sphere of influence encompasses the factions he listed.
Quaestor report, Flavius Scipio:
Reporting on the city of Lilybaeum:
Income: 480d
Order: 90%
Population: 12,423
Growth: +3%
This was the Quaestor assigned to Lilybaeum. Nothing appears to be wrong in the city. After his year, he would have stated his prediction of the city's outlook (good/neutral/bad) and urgency (none/some/immediate) to fix things.
Every few game years, we will elect new Senate officials. Voting and the number of votes each family holds is based upon:
A. The current offices held. Each office will hold a certain value.
B. The number of family members one's faction has in the Senate.
C. The Senate (TruePraetorian) and their favorability to the faction.
-You would get more votes if The Senate looks upon you favorably.
---Senate Positions---
There are 600 Senators of Rome. Out of these Senators, only a selected few abtain offices. The Julii, Brutii, and Scipii families are Senators based upon birth. Anyone born into their name is automatically qulaified to become a magistrate. Every other member of the Senate is controled by the Senate (TruePraetorian).
The current senate positions are listed but are liable to change:
Listed in decending order:
2 Consuls—Chief magistrates who convened and presided over the Senate and assemblies, initiated and administered legislation, served as generals in military campaigns, and represented Rome in foreign affairs. Consuls could appoint and/or serve as dictator for up to 6 months in times of emergency when the constitution was suspended. When their term of office was completed, consuls usually governed a province as proconsul.
8 Praetors—Served primarily as judges in law courts, but could convene the Senate and assemblies; they assumed administrative duties of consuls when these were absent from Rome. When their term of office was completed, praetors might govern a province as Propraetor.
2 Censors—Elected every 5 years for terms of 1½ years; revised lists of senators and equestrians; conducted census of citizens and property assessments for tax purposes; granted state contracts.
2 Aediles—Supervised public places, public games, and the grain supply in the city of Rome; 2 were required to be plebeians, and the other two (who had more status) could come from either order; the latter 2 were called curule aediles. We will only use the two that are non-plebian. There is originally 4.
20 Quaestors—Administered finances of state treasury and served in various capacities in the provinces; when elected quaestor, a man automatically became eligible for membership in the Senate, though censors had to appoint him to fill a vacancy.
---Term Specifics---
Consul - 1 year - minimum age 41 - Imperium
Praetor - 1 year - minimum age 40 - Imperium
Censor - 1 1/2 years - No Imperium (A list of Censors is chosen every 5 years)
Aedile - 1 year - No Imperium
Quaestor - 1 year - minimum age 30- No Imperium
Imperium - The right to veto a vote from a magistrate who ranks lower then yourself.
--Votes per Office--
Consul - 10
Praetor - 8
Censor - 6
Aedile - 4
Quaestor - 2
-34 Senators hold a total of 144 votes, 566 regular senators hold 566 votes: A total of 710-
-A Magistrate may not vote for himself-
--Votes Needed per Office--
Consul - 70
Praetor - 35
Censor - 25
Aedile - 20
Quaestor - 10
-Voting: Family members are elected to high positions through the number if votes. You can only progress one rank at a time (Quaestor to Aedile, Aedile to Censor, etc.). The Senate (TruePraetorian) will vote in accordance to these factors.
---Office Benifits---
Each office has its own benifits; Notably making the faction in question stronger, richer, and more influential.
Consul - Has Imperium over every other magistrate, even other Consuls. This power allows him to veto any decision made by a lesser magistrate, e.g. Votes to attack a faction or send a legion into enemy territory. The Consul has the ability to command the Legions under Senate request. The Consul is the last choice in the chain of voting, for the sole reason that he (they) have the ability to veto any bill trying to be passed over any other Senator. After serving his 1 year turn, he may either be re-elected or seek governership over a province. If he fails to become re-elected the year after his term is up, he has one of two choices:
1. Run for election the next year. This excludes him from becoming a proconsul if he fails to be re-elected. or,
2. Accept his proconsulship. If he does, he ends his political career and may govern his province. If no provinces are left, The Senate will choose a province owned by a lesser proconsul.
Proconsuls still have the ability to lead The Legions if requested by the Senate.
Praetor - Has Imperium, with the same rules as the Consul. He is the second-to-last member of magistrates that can vote on a bill or law. His imperium applys to everyone under him, and the other Praetor. Praetors have the right to command The Legions by request of Senate, just as a consul does. The only exception is he may not choose his territory if he becomes a propraetor; his territory will be assigned to him. A propraetor may serve in the same territory as a proconsul, but the proconsul has authority over the propraetor. The propraetor still has command over The Legions if requested by the Senate. After serving his 1 year term, the Praetor may follow the political path as noted below:
1. He may run for election as Consul. If he fails his election:
2. He may run again for the office of Praetor. If he fails this election:
3. He may either run once more for Praetor only the following year, or may become a propraetor, governing a province or commanding The Legions at the Senates discretion.
4. If he chooses to run for Praetor again instead of taking Propraetorship, his political career will come to an end, and he may only vote as other Senators.
Censor - Does not have Imperium over smaller magistrates. The Censor is responsible in maintaining the Morals of the State. A Censor has command of The Legions at the request of The Senate. To maintain the Morals of the State, the Censor will be responsible for noting the current status among other factions. He will make posts every 6 months about the state of the Republic, her allies, and her enemies. Since there is two Censors, each will be given their own sphere of influence on which to report, dictated by The Senate. After serving thier term, the Censor may run for Praetor. If one Censor dies while holding office, the other must resign on religous meanings. The consequences for failing to resign is punishment by death.
Aedile - Does not have Imperium. The Aedile is responsible for the building and development of citys. Each Aedile will be assigned a sphere of influence designated by The Senate. Aediles do not have command of The Legions, but may serve as secondary commanders if requested by the Senate, as can every Senator. Each turn, the Aedile will advise the bulding of specific structures based upon various factors, such as public order and monetary income. A faction may request funding for specific building projects from the Aedile, who will publicly announce it. After an Aedile's term is up, he may run for re-election or may seek the office of Censor.
Quaestor - Does not have Imperium. The Questor's will be each assigned a province at the beginning of their term. They will notify the Senate about any monetary problems, profits, etc. as to maintain the Republic's economy. After a Quastor's term is up, he may seek re-election, or run for Aedile.
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--The Legions--
The Legions are the sole protection of Rome and her borders. They will be maintained by The Senate. If directed to do so, the Legions may be recruited to assault an enemy of Rome or her allies. After the need for the Legion is done, the Legion may be disbanded by The Senate. Many magistrates may take command of The Legions at the Senates request. The Legions will be commanded by said magistrates, or by a General of Rome. Note, General's of Rome will never qualify as Senators, as they hold no senate standing and do not count as family members. Unless instructed to disband, The Legion will remain alive as long as the Senate needs it. Funding for The Legions will be provided by The Senate, as to maintain complete control.
--Voting--
Voting will be conducted in 5 phases:
1. A member of The Senate will suggest such a bill.
2. The Senate will vote upon the bill.
3. If the vote succeeds, the bill passes to the Praetor.
4. If the bill is accepted by both Praetors, the bill passes to the Consuls
5. If the bill is accepted by both Consuls, the bill is immediatley set into place.
Bills can take the form of anything, from declaring Rome's enemys to restraints on Legion funding. These bills will be announced in a seperate thread of laws and orders, only to be written in by The Senate (TruePraetorian)
--Rome's economy--
All matters that need funding, such as Legions, will be done so at the Senate's expense. Therefore, each faction is expected to pay 3/4ths of their semi-annual income to The Senate of Rome. Any cities that do not make a profit (negative money) will be fully paid for by The Senate. This method is to ensure that The Senate has complete control over the ruling familys and military, while still leaving enough money to be spent on things such as bribing votes.
Any profits made from the spoils of war may be kept by the faction in question.
Failure to comply with these rules will result in an investigation by numerous Quaestors. If results show that the faction in question has not been paying its taxes, the faction will be stripped of all Senate rank. If further disobeyement occurs, The Senate will not hesitate to outlaw said faction.
--Bribing Votes--
At the expense of 1000 denarii, the faction of choice will recieve one extra vote on the family member of thier choosing. This may be used multiple times to gain political offices.
--Missions of Rome--
The Senators and magistrates of Rome will all vote on all matters, as stated above. When a bill is passed needing a faction to complete a task, and the task is completed, The Senate will reward the faction with monetary value for its tasks.
i.e. War has been declared on Gaul. The Senators have agreed that taking the city of Patavium would greatly boost economy and trade throughout northern Rome. The task was voted upon, and it was agreed that Consul Flavius Julius and Praetor Marcus Julius, who were both of northern Rome, to take command of Legio Gallia XI and assault the city within. After completing said task within the year, Consul Flavius Julius and Praetor Marcus Julius are awarded the sum of 10,000 denarii for their efforts, as long as they agree to retrain Legio Gallia XI. They agree, and are awarded 10,000.
Here is more on the story
With the new amount of 10,000 denarii, the money is spent bribing 10 votes from the Senate. These 10 votes give Consul Flavius Julius 72, just enough votes to be re-elected as Consul. Before his re-election, he used his 10 votes on Praetor Marcus Julius, who reaches 70 votes. Both Julii are now Consuls of Rome, giving the Julii great authority for the next few years. Both can vote during elections with 10 votes, to make sure the Julii are kept in office.
These are the benifits of progressing through the Senate ranks.
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Censors, ???-???
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Aediles, ???-???
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Proconsuls and Propraetors
(proconsul/propraetor) ??? - (province or legion)
Check this post often as rules may be added/removed.
Example:
Aedile report, Marcus Brutus:
The following citys request funding for the following projects:
Arretium: Highways, 1200d
Salona: Port, 800d
Patavium: Port, 800d
This was an Aedile reporting. His sphere of influence is obviously "North-East"
Censor report, Amulius Maxentius:
The state of Rome and the following factions:
Parthia: War, moving west towards Greece
Pontus: War, moving mainly north towards Parthia
Seleucia: Allied, moving mainly north towards Armenia
Greece: Protectorate, idle but building in military strength
Macedon: Allied, moving south towards Greece, potential conflict
Egypt: Neutral, moving west towards Carthage
Armenia: Neutral, not advancing but defending agaisnt Seleucia
Carthage: War, moving east towards Egypt, but mainly north towards Scipii, conflict inevitable
This was a Censor reporting. His sphere of influence encompasses the factions he listed.
Quaestor report, Flavius Scipio:
Reporting on the city of Lilybaeum:
Income: 480d
Order: 90%
Population: 12,423
Growth: +3%
This was the Quaestor assigned to Lilybaeum. Nothing appears to be wrong in the city. After his year, he would have stated his prediction of the city's outlook (good/neutral/bad) and urgency (none/some/immediate) to fix things.