Choosing New Gaming PC- Guidance Please [Archive]

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 21:27

Hey guys-

To cut to the chase- It's my 26th birthday this weekend and I just found out today that some members of my family want to chip in to help me get started with a gaming pc...something I've put off buying myself for years while I instead invested in education, clothes, food etc. (how crazy of me).

My "starting" budget is around $1,000- $1,300 ...and obviously I'm looking for a computer that is fully upgradeable and I can add to over time.

As some of you know from my threads in the MTW forums- I'm a total war junkie when I "let myself go". With a new PC, I would fully plan on buying Empires: Total War and continue playing the entire total war series.

I came to this site today to ask for some advice/suggestions. This is my favorite community on the web and I trust it's members more than any others. We tend to be an intelligent breed here at total war. That's why I'm asking you guys...

Time is of the essence here...as I've been wanting a nice gaming pc for years, but now that it looks like I'm getting it, I only have a few days to finalize my search.

I am by no means an expert- And that's also why I want some advice from someone who is...or is at least closer to expert than myself heh. Before making this investment, I want to know that I have a gaming PC that:

1) Is worth a $1,000+ investment. I want something that I don't have to worry about system requirements or recommendations for a few years. Any game, I want to know I can run it and run it well.

2) Is fully upgradeable. I plan on adding to it over time and I want to make sure that my PC is fully capable of this.

3) Ideal for Total War games and MMO's. Other than Total War, I see World of Warcraft and whatever comes around as the "next mainstream MMO" as my two main games. Again...I'm looking for something that allows me to max up the graphics settings and run these games without worrying about any system lag etc.

I think you guys get the idea. We can certainly continue the discussion as it gets going.

I appreciate any support someone can give me on this...

P.S.- I need some advice on Vista vs. XP. I see all the new systems coming with Vista installed. What are my pro's/cons to this and is Vista the ideal system I want for gaming in these genres mentioned above?

Thanks

added w/ edit: Let me just throw this in- After only a few minutes, I found this on newegg.com. This looks like a decent starting point for my search here I think.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229026

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-26-2008, 21:53

1) Is worth a $1,000+ investment. I want something that I don't have to worry about system requirements or recommendations for a few years. Any game, I want to know I can run it and run it well.

2) Is fully upgradeable. I plan on adding to it over time and I want to make sure that my PC is fully capable of this.

3) Ideal for Total War games and MMO's. Other than Total War, I see World of Warcraft and whatever comes around as the "next mainstream MMO" as my two main games. Again...I'm looking for something that allows me to max up the graphics settings and run these games without worrying about any system lag etc.

1) Make it yourself. Buying all the parts seperately and putting them together can save you anywhere from $100 to $700 dollars. Building mine myself probably saved me about $500 off the pre-built equivalent.

2) Make it yourself. These Dell computers and other brands can be surprisingly resistant to upgrades. If you built it yourself, or get all the parts and have someone do it, you can upgrade whenever. Hard drive space making you angry? Rip it out and put in a new one. Just like that.

3) For maxiumum graphics settings, you'll want an 8800 series card (the GT is a good one), and at least 2GB of RAM to cut lag. 3GB is good for XP (32-bit) or Vista (32-bit), and 4GB is good for Vista (64-bit).

Vista vs. XP) I had the choice, and I chose XP Pro, SP2. This was after a long deliberation and debate. Overall, however, XP uses less RAM, is more reliable, and more compatible, especially if you want to play MTW. On the other hand, if you want 4GB of RAM, you need Vista 64-bit.

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 21:59

1) Make it yourself. Buying all the parts seperately and putting them together can save you anywhere from $100 to $700 dollars. Building mine myself probably saved me about $500 off the pre-built equivalent.

2) Make it yourself. These Dell computers and other brands can be surprisingly resistant to upgrades. If you built it yourself, or get all the parts and have someone do it, you can upgrade whenever. Hard drive space making you angry? Rip it out and put in a new one. Just like that.

3) For maxiumum graphics settings, you'll want an 8800 series card (the GT is a good one), and at least 2GB of RAM to cut lag. 3GB is good for XP (32-bit) or Vista (32-bit), and 4GB is good for Vista (64-bit).

Vista vs. XP) I had the choice, and I chose XP Pro, SP2. This was after a long deliberation and debate. Overall, however, XP uses less RAM, is more reliable, and more compatible, especially if you want to play MTW. On the other hand, if you want 4GB of RAM, you need Vista 64-bit.

Thank you for your response...

My one issue with building it myself is that, again- I'm not an expert. I do not have faith in my ability to accurately pick parts and then put the computer together in it's case. This is just beyond my knowledge in computers.

What I was looking for was something along the lines of what I've linked, or this:

http://www.projectwarmachine.com/GSTGamerMachineSiteSetup/ConfigureMachine.aspx?id=18

and picking the individual components that I want out.

Do you have any suggestions for a site/company to visit to go about doing this?

Further, I was looking for any advice on "definitely avoid this" or "this new rig just came out and it's a great deal". I'm just not as in the loop as many of you are regarding hardware right now.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-26-2008, 22:09

My one issue with building it myself is that, again- I'm not an expert. I do not have faith in my ability to accurately pick parts and then put the computer together in it's case. This is just beyond my knowledge in computers.

Neither was I. Trust me, it's quite easy. It might take two days or so, but it's worth it. Otherwise, take it to someone who knows what they're doing, and shop around to find a couple per hour rates to get it built. Trust me, even then it's usually cheaper.

About picking the parts, you're right in coming here. I shopped around based on a lot of advice .ORGahs gave me. I'll post a brief list of some things you should look at:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo, E6600 or better.

Graphics: nVidia 8800GTS

RAM: 2GB+, anything Corsair is usually good. Someone else may be able to give more recommendations based on voltages and clocking.

Case: Anything at a good price with good cooling. Apevia cases are nice.

PSU: Mine's around 700W, but that's probably overkill. 600W should do.

HDD: This comes down to a balance of storage space, reliability, and speed. For speed, get a Raptor. They're not solid state (IE: less reliable), they're not very big (150GB or so), but they're fast. 10000RPM fast. If you want a bigger drive, however, go for about 7200.10 RPM, which is a good balance of speed and space. Seagate makes nice ones, and so does Western Digital.

Motherboard: I use an EVGA 680i, but you'll want other recommendations here than from me.

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 22:19

Neither was I. Trust me, it's quite easy. It might take two days or so, but it's worth it. Otherwise, take it to someone who knows what they're doing, and shop around to find a couple per hour rates to get it built. Trust me, even then it's usually cheaper.

About picking the parts, you're right in coming here. I shopped around based on a lot of advice .ORGahs gave me. I'll post a brief list of some things you should look at:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo, E6600 or better.

Graphics: nVidia 8800GTS

RAM: 2GB+, anything Corsair is usually good. Someone else may be able to give more recommendations based on voltages and clocking.

Case: Anything at a good price with good cooling. Apevia cases are nice.

PSU: Mine's around 700W, but that's probably overkill. 600W should do.

HDD: This comes down to a balance of storage space, reliability, and speed. For speed, get a Raptor. They're not solid state (IE: less reliable), they're not very big (150GB or so), but they're fast. 10000RPM fast. If you want a bigger drive, however, go for about 7200.10 RPM, which is a good balance of speed and space. Seagate makes nice ones, and so does Western Digital.

Motherboard: I use an EVGA 680i, but you'll want other recommendations here than from me.

You're definitely the man...thank you very much.

Obviously continued advice/suggestions/support from anyone is welcomed and appreciated but what information you've given me here is a nice starting guideline for me. Thanks again.

Just out of curiosity- What do you think of this one from New Egg. Seems close to what we've stated in requirements.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-26-2008, 22:33

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 22:34

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_III/

Here's another one that starts at around $600 and then I can build options from there.

Any suggestions on what the best combination of options would be with that rig to keep my overall price within the $1,000-$1,300 range? (Including the monitor).

THIS would help me out tremendously...as I believe something along these lines might give me the best bang for my buck...

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 22:39

Whoops, made a mistake. If you're going for cost effectiveness, you'll want the 8800GT instead of the GTS. The GTS is better, but not by much, whereas the GT is also much cheaper.

Remember, everything's just a suggestion, a starting point. Keep at it. :2thumbsup:

I take it you live in America by the fact you're using Newegg? Anyways, that's quite a good PC - it only skimps in three locations, namely sound card, graphics card (though I suppose that's debateable), and, (only IMHO), the mtoherboard. It's looking like quite a decent PC though. ~:)

Glad I could help. :2thumbsup:

Indeed USA here.

When I upgraded the current PC that I'm on to be able to play World of Warcraft a few years ago, I used NewEgg and that's how I'm familiar with them.

I got an extra gig of ram and an NVIDIA GeForce 5700 LE for basically 1/5th the price I would have paid via traditional retailer. That's why I figured to start my search there...

I just want to keep narrowing my options/price down to try to come in with the best possible rig for the price I mentioned...

You are helping too...and making a friend in the process :2thumbsup:

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-26-2008, 22:43

I went with this:

$1473.00
(before all applicable rebates)

CASE: Hot !!! Apevia X-Telstar Junior 420W Case w/ Temp Display and Fan Control (G Type Black Color with Side-Window)

CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6750 CPU @ 2.66GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit

MOTHERBOARD: Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard

MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)3GB (3x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Memory (Corsair XMS2 Xtreme Memory w/ Heat Spreader)

VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

VIDEO CARD 2: NONE

VIDEO CARD 3: NONE

LCD Monitor: 20& quot; TFT Active Matrix LCD Display (ViewSonic VA2026W Widescreen WSXGA 1680x1050)

HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)

Data Hard Drive: NONE

Optical Drive: (Special Price) 20X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)

Optical Drive 2: NONE

SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

I left out speakers and sound because I'm not sure what you want with that. I chose widescreen because that's what I prefer - again, whatever you like is best there. If you really want to shave off costs, use your old speakers (and maybe monitor), and cut off 1GB of RAM. I'm not sure about the motherboard - I think it's fine, but you might want to wait for someone like Lemur or Whacker.

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 22:45

I went with this:

I left out speakers and sound because I'm not sure what you want with that. I chose widescreen because that's what I prefer - again, whatever you like is best there.

I have to make a phone call quick and then I'll review this...

You just made my day exponentially easier...thank you so much.

Let me just ask you something else quick- NVIDIA graphics cards: You mentioned the 8800 GTS and the 8800 GT. I'm seeing GTX's listed as options also though. What is the GTX?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-26-2008, 22:47

What is the GTX?
It's like a superhuman GT. That card is one of the best that money can buy, more or less, but it is expensive. Having two GTX (or GTX Ultra's) in SLI would be heaven on earth.

BTW, I went back and edited my post a little in the explanation part at the bottom. Also, it's probably a good idea to wait for a second opinion. You never know, I might have slipped up. ~:)

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 22:49

It's like a superhuman GT. That card is one of the best that money can buy, more or less, but it is expensive. Having two GTX (or GTX Ultra's) in SLI would be heaven on earth.

BTW, I went back and edited my post a little in the explanation part at the bottom.

Yeah I saw what you added with edit...

With what we're talking about for me here though, we're not discussing dual graphics cards are we?

Just one 8800 GT correct?

How worth it would it be for me to go dual? It would obviously, to keep in my budget, force me to shave off something else.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-26-2008, 22:51

Just one 8800 GT correct?

How worth it would it be for me to go dual? It would obviously, to keep in my budget, force me to shave off something else.

Just one is plenty worth it for what you want. ~:)

To go dual would be about double the cost, of course, and probably not worth it to you, at least not with this build. I think the way it is seems to be fairly well balanced.

ArtistofWarfare

02-26-2008, 22:56

Cool...thank you.

I assume that I could simply add a second card at any time down the line couldn't I?

This is what I mean by upgradeable. Ram, motherboard, cpu, video cards. I want any and all of them to be able to be expanded upon/replaced when I see fit in the future. I don't want to spend money to be locked into a system that will require me to simply buy a whole new system to "upgrade" in just a few years.

Oh- and I'm assuming that the specs you chose were from this rig correct? (The Mega Special III):

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_III/#configurator_top

Not the first one I listed that starts at around $1200?

added w/ edit: 2 more quickies:

Data Hard Drive and Optical Drive- What are these? I'm not familiar with these components.

And lastly- This is a real lame question too: The computer does not come with a modem, simply a network card. I've been on cable broadband for like 4 years. Obviously, I'm not going back to dialup heh. I don't need a modem for anything do I...simply a network card correct?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-27-2008, 00:06

I assume that I could simply add a second card at any time down the line couldn't I?
I've never done it myself, but as long as your motherboard supports SLI, yes, you can AFAIK.

Note:
SLI is dual or triple cards made by nVidia.
Crossfire is the same (no triple support though) made by ATI.
SLI by nVidia is better, IMO.

This is what I mean by upgradeable. Ram, motherboard, cpu, video cards. I want any and all of them to be able to be expanded upon/replaced when I see fit in the future. I don't want to spend money to be locked into a system that will require me to simply buy a whole new system to "upgrade" in just a few years.

Yes, they're all replaceable. Motherboard requires a bit more skill to be replaced than other components, as everything hooks back to it, but other than that, you're fine. That being said, it doesn't look like the company you're using uses components that are unreplaceable (a thousand curses on Dell!), but to be 100% sure, it's best to order and build yourself. Either that or e-mail the company.

Note that RAM needs to be compatible with other RAM on the system - don't take a Corsair RAM stick and jam in a Mushkin to "upgrade" - it won't work. All your RAM needs to be the same make and model from the same company for it to be guaranteed to work.

Oh- and I'm assuming that the specs you chose were from this rig correct? (The Mega Special III):
Yes.

Data Hard Drive and Optical Drive- What are these? I'm not familiar with these components.
I'm not sure what they mean by Data Hard Drive - perhaps a backup drive? For buying a backup drive, it's best to buy an external anyways.

Optical Drive is like a CD Drive, but a generalization that can refer to CD, DVD, or Blu-Ray drives.

And lastly- This is a real lame question too: The computer does not come with a modem, simply a network card. I've been on cable broadband for like 4 years. Obviously, I'm not going back to dialup heh. I don't need a modem for anything do I...simply a network card correct?

My internet is an ethernet cable from the motherboard connected to a router.

ArtistofWarfare

02-27-2008, 00:23

I've never done it myself, but as long as your motherboard supports SLI, yes, you can AFAIK.

Note:
SLI is dual or triple cards made by nVidia.
Crossfire is the same (no triple support though) made by ATI.
SLI by nVidia is better, IMO.

Yes, they're all replaceable. Motherboard requires a bit more skill to be replaced than other components, as everything hooks back to it, but other than that, you're fine. That being said, it doesn't look like the company you're using uses components that are unreplaceable (a thousand curses on Dell!), but to be 100% sure, it's best to order and build yourself. Either that or e-mail the company.

Note that RAM needs to be compatible with other RAM on the system - don't take a Corsair RAM stick and jam in a Mushkin to "upgrade" - it won't work. All your RAM needs to be the same make and model from the same company for it to be guaranteed to work.

Yes.

I'm not sure what they mean by Data Hard Drive - perhaps a backup drive? For buying a backup drive, it's best to buy an external anyways.

Optical Drive is like a CD Drive, but a generalization that can refer to CD, DVD, or Blu-Ray drives.

My internet is an ethernet cable from the motherboard connected to a router.

Thanks a million...

But regarding internet connection: Again, I'm pretty clueless with this. As it is now, I do not use a router. I have the USB cable connecting my cable modem with my PC...that's it. Would this system with a "modem" give me what I need?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-27-2008, 00:54

Thanks a million...

But regarding internet connection: Again, I'm pretty clueless with this. As it is now, I do not use a router. I have the USB cable connecting my cable modem with my PC...that's it. Would this system with a "modem" give me what I need?

If you're using a USB, I think you'll be OK. I have a pretty similar setup, just with an ethernet cable instead.

ArtistofWarfare

02-27-2008, 01:21

ah never mind me...

I don't know why my knowledge became retroactive for a bit there...

Obviously I don't need the modem, I need the network card. Just as I have now.

I already have the modem...as I just stated: The cable modem.

And I direct connect modem to pc via usb (or I could use an ethernet like you) and just run the cable from the wall into my modem.

So obviously, I don't need a modem..

Although if someone could please tell me the advantages of having an internal (can I even do this)? cable modem, I'm all ears.

I'm around- Just checking websites. I appreciate the continued support here...

Other questions that have cropped up:

1) Quad SLI support or simply SLI support for a PSU? What exactly is this?

2) Can a Dual Core processor be upgraded to a quad core?

3) How do I ensure that I can add as much RAM as possible over time? x2 in "memory" is space for 2 sticks of RAM and x4 is space for 4 sticks correct? I'm looking to buy off of Ibuypower.com right now and they only offer me 4 gigs, 2 gigs and the x2 and the x4. I was looking for 3 gigs heh. The thing is I have an extra gig of RAM in this PC here right now...I'm wondering if I could add it.

4) Would there be a major difference between an NVIDIA 8600 GTS 512mb and an NVIDIA 8800 GT 512mb? I'm wondering if 1 model different but the lesser model being a GTS would close the gap.

5) Could someone please clarify what I need in a Motherboard to make things "fully upgradeable" to state of the art in a few years?

6) What would be the difference in noticeable speed between a 2.66 and a 3.00 processor? (at least duo)

7) I'm still confused about Vista vs. XP. Also, 32 bit vs. 64 bit confuses me...

This should help, it's the link to the new customization options I have in front of me:

http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/store/configurator.aspx?mid=119#header

Thanks guys

Here's another model I'm looking at:

http://www.projectwarmachine.com/GSTGamerMachineSiteSetup/ConfigureMachine.aspx?id=18#main

Any suggestions on components with this would be nice as well...

Looks like I can get something really nice with this setup for $1300 or so.

And the Gateway FX540 looks amazing...is it just me?

http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529667892.php

added w/ edit hours later: what about this alienware (I've always wanted one).

http://alienware.com/Configurator_Pages/aurora_7500_r4.aspx?SysCode=PC-AURORA-7500-R4&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

What is the AMD Athlon equivalent for the 2.66 dual core pentiums we're looking at?

LeftEyeNine

02-27-2008, 12:27

1- Multiple video card arrangements on a PC obviously needs more power and more power cords. Such support ensures that you won't be like "oh dammit" after seeing that your PSU is not capable of handling multiple video cards by the time you already had spent for two video cards, for example.

2-The upgradability of CPUs are not related to the gadgets themselves. Actually as most of the upgradability of a machine depends on, your motherboard is the mother of all progress. The CPU slot (generally categorized according to the number of pins in it), the FSB speed are the basic features of a motherboard to provide various CPU compatibility. Motherboard is a VERY important component of your PC, so you'll be closely examining the features of the one you're intending to buy, such as the supported CPU list.

3- You're right about "x2", "x4" there. It tells you about the RAM slots provided on the motherboard. When it comes to whether you can add your current 1GB stick to your newly purchased 3GBs to make it 4: This depends on what kind of RAM you currently have. Is it DDR, DDR2, DDR3 ? What's the memory clock frequency? 266 MHz ? 400 MHz? or higher?

Simply you can't expect a 266 MHz 1GB DDR stick to dance with supermega MHz 3 GB DDR2 sticks. RAM modules are the most sensitive parts when it comes to working together. There is no rule that the RAMs of same standards can not work together but there always is the possibility that even different brand RAMs having the same features fail at working together.

4- I've been a bit far from the progress of the video card market but after taking a slight lookup, I got the impression that 8800 GT will be more satisfying than a 8600 GTS. I'd suggest for confirmation of this though.

5- This is the new question of the postmodern age mankind along with "What's the meaning of life?". Sorry to disappoint you there, AoW, but for a few years you may get glimpses from experts bringing us news here, such as Lemur, but no one in this end-user community can predict what's coming along. Those techie vampires (not Lemur) love enlarging, widening, erecting slots on motherboards and claiming that this latest tech will get you even a girlfriend.

So it's better to be satisfied with the right purchase when you do it and forget about what comes in a few years. 'Cause be assured that they will put something different on it soon.

6- I don't think it's much. What's more being an overclocking fan, with the right equipment to cool down your system, you can always run your CPU at higher speeds without spending too much for the better CPU. However, being a tech newbie there, I'd recommend you to stay away from it, at least until you really want to try it. (Living in a country with comparably low income per capita, the excitement and satisfaction of overclocking feels like a heaven of Monica Belluccis)

I'd be more interested in the cache levels (such as 2x 2MB, 2x 4MB etc.) of the two, rather than their frequencies.

7- Vista is a HEAVY load on your computer. Stay away as long as you plan to have less than 2 GB of RAMs and a Core 2 Duo CPU. The use of having Vista on your machine is the availability of DirectX 10 of course. And I guess they -geeks that is, not Microsoft- still couldn't port DirectX 10 to XP. If you want to enjoy Dx10 graphics provided you have a rock solid rig, go with Vista. But if you're like "I can wait for now. Total War series and WoW will keep me happy" then why bother with putting a great load on your PC? Get XP then.

However assuming that I were you, I'd get Vista if I had a monstrous machine (Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 8xxx series gfx card). XP has 1-2 years of lifetime the most when it comes to gaming.

32bit is the standard of nearly all the programs on the market. 64bit is newer and faster if run on a 64bit OS and 64bit supporting hardware. However, and I don't know why, 64bit couldn't take the step to be the new standard of programs. I guess it's due to the overcrowding in the computing tech sector. No one looks to care about what 64bit would bring while a 8800 GTX can make your jaw drop or Quad Core CPU can rocket you up. IT experts among us are sure to have a more reliable reasoning about this.

Get 32bit OS, to be precise.

Hope this helps. :bow:

ArtistofWarfare

02-27-2008, 23:11

LeftEyeNine- That does pretty much tie up any loose ends remaining after my research thus far...indeed. Good stuff, thank you. I especially like how you categorized certain things as "unpredictable"...as this goes along with some of my suspicions, and makes my search easier as a result.

My only remaining question is about the motherboard...

Could you please look at this: http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/store/configurator.aspx?mid=119#header

I'm almost sure this is the set I'll be building off of and I just would like you to take a look at the motherboard options there and tell me what's viable for price/longterm compatibility etc...

This last bit of help would pretty much give me what I need to wrap this thing up tomorrow or the next day.

Over time, I'll spend some more time reading the forums here and learning more about hardware and programming in general. I knew the day would come when I would eventually get as learned in PC knowledge as I am in some other things. That day has clearly come.

Just to mention as well- I got a little lucky. As I'm sure you guys know, you're looking for any tug in any direction as far as what company to order from. I was at the mall today and I stopped in the local game store and was talking to some guys a few years older than me...intelligent. They had both gone with this IbuyPower company in the past and said that things should work out just fine. So at least I can start pegging down the hardware (which other than the motherboard is just about done as well).

Thank you again LEN and EMFM. Upon finding out that I would be able to go after a PC in the first place, and then immediately deciding to come here for help, this is exactly the kind of detailed information I was looking/hoping for.

You both clearly spent time on this...I'll definitely send you some screenshots etc when I finally get the PC on my desk running some TW.

Oh- Also, just in case it comes up...(it might...I'm looking at a couple of other models quick just to make sure) Could you please clarify that AMD Athlon to Pentium Dual Core?

As in...AMD 5200...what would be it's pentium equivalent? Thanks.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-27-2008, 23:15

Motherboard

The 680i is a good motherboard for that computer, IMHO. It's the one in mine, and I've never really had problems with it (well, once, but I fixed it about five minutes after a call to tech support, which is VERY helpful).

Then again, the 750i looks good. I'm not sure how it preforms, however.

EDIT: I just saw the 780i by EVGA. EVGA makes excellent motherboards, and I'm fairly sure that's one of the better ones.

ArtistofWarfare

02-27-2008, 23:28

awesome...ty...

I'm now seeing Nvidia GeForce 9600 GT graphics cards...but they're less than the GeForce 8800 GT graphics cards...

The 9600 also has faster specs...

What's the deal with these two ?

Also- 8600 GT with 1GB instead of 256 or 512MB. Is this 8600 GT 1GB a steal over the 8800 GT with 512MB? THIS is probably the last major question I have right here...I have almost everything else picked out.

Caius

02-28-2008, 00:34

Could you please clarify that AMD Athlon to Pentium Dual Core?
Amd Athlon Was(or is?) a microprocessor which repleaces old Pentium 4 micros.

A dual Core system is that there are 2 microprocessors in one motherboard.

Charge

02-28-2008, 00:44

Is this 8600 GT 1GB a steal over the 8800 GT with 512MB? THIS is probably the last major question I have right here...I have almost everything else picked out.Yes it is, more memory could be even slower, but depends on your resolution.

EDIT: I mean 1gb exactly is stealing your money, not 8800GT.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 00:50

Yes it is, more memory could be even slower, but depends on your resolution.

That being said, with Windows XP 32-bit, he won't be able to make full use of that 1GB probably.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 01:01

I'm bumping and adjusting prices now...just tweaking a few things...

The 8800 512 might just be my best bet...keeping it relatively simple yet giving me pretty much the best thing that I can get for that money...

I would just change it to the 9600 with 1gig if anyone thought there was any "omg you have to!!" reason why I should...

appreciate the continued support guys...

Husar

02-28-2008, 01:03

Yes it is, more memory could be even slower, but depends on your resolution.
No it isn't, the 8800GT almost reaches the 8800GTX in speed while the 8600GT is significantly slower. More memory doesn't make a slow card any faster. Doesn't mean the 8600GT is a slow card, but definitely not as fast as the 8800GT.

Here's a chart for you (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html), not ideal as the 8800GT is overclocked etc but it may give you a rough idea about how powerful the cards are.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 02:35

More memory doesn't make a slow card any faster.

This is precisely what I was asking...and should have. Thank you.

What would be the main purpose of getting more memory on the graphics card then?

- also, could someone clarify SLI capable PSU's vs. Quad SLI capable PSU's? What do I want?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 02:44

What would be the main purpose of getting more memory on the graphics card then?

- also, could someone clarify SLI capable PSU's vs. Quad SLI capable PSU's? What do I want?

More memory on a graphics card, AFAIK, increases the dedicated graphical processing power (memory used ONLY for graphics), but not the speed with which it is transmitted.

An SLI capable PSU means it can support two graphics cards running in SLI. Quad means it can support four graphics cards running in SLI. You'll probably want an SLI capable of some kind, and most power supplies aren't terribly expensive (except the 1600W ones!), so by the time this one is done, which will be a relatively long time, you won't have much money trouble replacing it.

This is what I have (found it on newegg for you):

OCZ GameXStream 700W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002)

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 02:59

http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/store/configurator.aspx?mid=119#header

This is the build I'm on...it's almost done...

I need: Motherboard still- What about the 3rd one down...the Asus 750i? Why is it less than some of the 680's and 650's?

And- Graphics cards...is a dual 8600 GT 1GB better than a single 8800 GT 512MB?

It turns out that price wise, I could get a better deal with the dual graphics cards...How would this effect overall performance?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 03:02

I need: Motherboard still- What about the 3rd one down...the Asus 750i? Why is it less than some of the 680's and 650's?

I'm not sure exactly, but I'd rather go with the nVidia nForce 680i or eVGA 780i.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 03:07

they're not options...

Same happened with RAM- I wanted 3 gigs...Turns out I get a good deal on 4gigs (1024x4 Corsair DDR2-800) but the only options were the same in the 2 gig or up to the 4 gig....or I could go with the Raptor but it pushes me over budget. My current build is at $1,678 with shipping and handling...this is about as high as I can go. Period heh.

That's why I'm throwing up the link...it's easier if you know what I have to choose from.

Just like that PSU- It's not an option in the package...but a comparable 650w is...

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 03:10

they're not options...

I saw them both on the last configuration PC you showed.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 03:12

I saw them both on the last configuration PC you showed.

Sorry...lack of sleep.

Yeah, I see them, and they're better...but it pushes me over budget. It's at least $94 more.

Just saying...due to LEN mentioning how important a motherboard is...what would you go to after those? Again, 3rd one down is ideal pricing...

I'm still dazzled by how a dual 8600 GT costs less than a single 8800 GT...

How much better could an 88 be than an 86? heh...

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 03:13

Just saying...due to LEN mentioning how important a motherboard is...what would you go to after those? Again, 3rd one down is ideal pricing...

Didn't really give the next one much thought. I suppose the ASUS one would be it, but again, a second opinion is good to have, especially in the area of motherboards.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 03:21

Didn't really give the next one much thought. I suppose the ASUS one would be it, but again, a second opinion is good to have, especially in the area of motherboards.

Yeah, I'm pretty much just waiting for that second opinion on the motherboard and the dual graphics cards vs. single 8800 GT...then I'm about done.

In the meantime, I think you already answered this but I'd just like to clarify: If I do wind up getting dual graphics cards (2x8600GT for example), I would HAVE to get an SLI capable PSU correct? And this would leave me with no room to ever add a 3rd or 4th down the line correct?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 03:50

In the meantime, I think you already answered this but I'd just like to clarify: If I do wind up getting dual graphics cards (2x8600GT for example), I would HAVE to get an SLI capable PSU correct? And this would leave me with no room to ever add a 3rd or 4th down the line correct?

It depends on the power output of the PSU as compared to the power needed to run a graphics card. An SLI capable PSU is guaranteed to be able to run two cards, a Quad SLI guaranteed to run four. The main thing is the guarantee, IMO.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 03:52

It depends on the power output of the PSU as compared to the power needed to run a graphics card. An SLI capable PSU is guaranteed to be able to run two cards, a Quad SLI guaranteed to run four. The main thing is the guarantee, IMO.

Agreed...That's what I want. If I buy an SLI, I want to know for sure that I can always pop in a second (or do it now) graphics card.

4 Cards is nothing I'll be dealing with any time soon and even when I do, I can just swap the PSU to a Quad...that's no problem.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 03:53

4 Cards is nothing I'll be dealing with any time soon and even when I do, I can just swap the PSU to a Quad...that's no problem.

AFAIK, there isn't even four card technology available yet, just three card.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 03:56

AFAIK, there isn't even four card technology available yet, just three card.

Even better :beam:

For anyone: Onboard LAN Network- I need nothing more than this for cable broadband correct? I don't NEED to upgrade to say an Intel Pro or Killer K1 in order to use broadband do I?

for access, the options:

http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/store/configurator.aspx?mid=119#header

This, the graphic card question and the motherboard...and we can close this thread finally heh.

Gregoshi

02-28-2008, 04:32

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 04:36

Artist, you might want to check on the reliability & reputation of ibuypower and cyberpower PCs before you buy. I can't remember where I saw it (here or elsewhere), but I do recall see many negative comments regarding cyberpower PC quality. ibuypower, might warrant a look too. I see their ads all the time in Games for Windows magazine and the low prices, which always makes me wonder. Maybe they make a good product, but I'd check it out first.

Thank you for the heads up...

It's Cyberpower that is notoriously bad...

Of course IbuyPower doesn't have a perfect track record itself, but it seems to fall well within the "reputable" category. Cyberpower did not seem to and therefore, despite their ridiculously low prices, I personally felt pretty darn sure that something would go wrong. At least one thing.

As said, I had 2 people in person today tell me they used IbuyPower and it worked out fine. Further, there overall scores are ...I don't know...on average just about a 7.8/10 which is not bad at all on an open response like that.

Cyberpower fell into the 4.5/10 on average...

I'll mention, IbuyPower is only slightly more expensive across the board (than Cyberpower)...and offers a broader spectrum of options in the high grade categories of hardware.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 04:42

Even better :beam:

For anyone: Onboard LAN Network- I need nothing more than this for cable broadband correct? I don't NEED to upgrade to say an Intel Pro or Killer K1 in order to use broadband do I?

for access, the options:

http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/store/configurator.aspx?mid=119#header

This, the graphic card question and the motherboard...and we can close this thread finally heh.

Just to keep this organized-

1) Basically pick an ideal motherboard from those options that does not radically differ in price from the 3rd or 6th one down (on the list of motherboard options).

2) Dual 8600 GT nvidia's cost less than a single 8800 GT? Why? What would be a better performance?

3) Do I need anything more than an onboard LAN network to hook up my cable broadband modem to this?

Thanks again guys...This is obviously a fun process but I kind of want it in my hands at this point ya know? :yes:

The guys over at the MTW forums would kill me, but obviously I'll need to fire up M2TW: Kingdoms and jack things up as soon as the power cord hits the wall...

That brings us to the final (I mean it) question:

- I'm going with the 32-bit Vista Home Premium (could I slide with the basic?). What do I buy- M2TW kingdoms and WOW in the XP edition? There is no Vista edition is there...?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-28-2008, 04:52

- I'm going with the 32-bit Vista Home Premium (could I slide with the basic?). What do I buy- M2TW kingdoms and WOW in the XP edition? There is no Vista edition is there...?

I would strongly recommend going with 64-bit if you're getting Vista, so you can upgrade RAM later. It seems to me like 32-bit Vista has the worst of both worlds - RAM limitation of XP with terrible compatibility and system hogging of Vista.

That being said, M2TW Kingdoms and WOW both should work quite well with Vista.

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 05:08

1-

7- Vista is a HEAVY load on your computer. Stay away as long as you plan to have less than 2 GB of RAMs and a Core 2 Duo CPU. The use of having Vista on your machine is the availability of DirectX 10 of course. And I guess they -geeks that is, not Microsoft- still couldn't port DirectX 10 to XP. If you want to enjoy Dx10 graphics provided you have a rock solid rig, go with Vista. But if you're like "I can wait for now. Total War series and WoW will keep me happy" then why bother with putting a great load on your PC? Get XP then.

However assuming that I were you, I'd get Vista if I had a monstrous machine (Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 8xxx series gfx card). XP has 1-2 years of lifetime the most when it comes to gaming.

32bit is the standard of nearly all the programs on the market. 64bit is newer and faster if run on a 64bit OS and 64bit supporting hardware. However, and I don't know why, 64bit couldn't take the step to be the new standard of programs. I guess it's due to the overcrowding in the computing tech sector. No one looks to care about what 64bit would bring while a 8800 GTX can make your jaw drop or Quad Core CPU can rocket you up. IT experts among us are sure to have a more reliable reasoning about this.

Get 32bit OS, to be precise.

Hope this helps. :bow:

This is why I was thinking a 32...

Now I'm confused :wall:

I'm already getting 4 gigs of RAM, if this effects things at all...

added w/edit: I'm actually starting to switch to this: http://www.vigorgaming.com/product/config_deltaforcene.html

Either that or the Hornet...

Much more reputable company (9.8 or so on average) and it's not just parts thrown together. It's their base models with some customization. But specifically for gaming. This obviously makes things a bit easier for now.

What do you guys think of these? (They list their PSU's as "SLI Ready". I'm assuming this is the same as SLI certified and just "SLI" PSU's? It's got space for 2 graphics cards?

You know what- I think I asked this but this would kind of solve the graphics card issue for now with this new model: Nvidia 9600 GT 700mhz...this is cheaper than a 8800GT 660mhz...both 512mb . Which is better?

Relating to the beginning of this post: I see that Vista apparently won't use all 4 Gigs of Ram? Why and is it still worth it to get 4 gigs over 2?

This really is about it, as I'm pretty set on this Hornet model at this point...

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 07:38

This should make things MUCH easier. This site actually lets me copy/paste a printable version of my overview.

I believe I can get these specs on the Hornet, or something just under it...depending upon the "free shipping" offer and how it effects the overall price. I'd like it here this weekend or Monday at the latest. Ordering tomorrow.

SPECIAL PROMOTION Free Shipping

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6750 at 2.67GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 4M Cache

RIG Vigor Cooler Master CM 690 Screwless Chassis

RIG COLOR Black

RIG STYLE None.

RIG COOLING Vigor Cool BlastTM Cooling System with Triple 120MM Case Fan

RIG POWER Cooler Master Real Power Pro nVidia-SLI Ready 550Watt Power Supply

RIG DIMENSIONS 8.39" Width X 20.65" Depth X 18.98" Height.

MB CORE LOGIC MSI P6N SLI-FI NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI Intel Quad Core Ready

MEMORY 4GB Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C4 X 2 DDR2 800MHz Memory (4 X 1024MB)

HARD DRIVE 1 WD Raptor 150GB WD RAPTOR S-ATA 10000RPM 16MB Cache Hard Drive

HARD DRIVE 2 None.

RAID SETTING None.

VIDEO CARD SLI SLOT 1 nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 512MB Xtreme Edition @700MHz, DVI and TV Out

VIDEO CARD SLI SLOT 2 None.

OPTICAL DRIVE 1 SONY/NEC Internal AD7190A 20X Dual Layer DVD+/- RW + CDRW Rewritable Drive

OPTICAL DRIVE 2 None.

RECORDING SOFTWARE Bundled DVD/CDRW Software

SOUND Digital High Definition 3D 7.1 8-Channel Sound

NETWORK PORT Onboard Gigabit (10/100/1000Mbps) PCI Network Card

WIRELESS NETWORK PORT None.

I/O PORTS 1 Parallel, 1 Game/Midi, 1 IEEE 1394 Firewire and 6 to 10 USB ports (Varies by Motherboards)

MONITOR Viewsonic Q19W 19" 1440X900 700:1 Widescreen LCD Monitor (Special Priced Limited Quantity)

SPEAKERS Logitech X230 2.1 3-Channel Speakers w/Subwoofer

KEYBOARD Standard Black Internet Multimedia Keyboard

MOUSE Standard Black Optical Wheel Mouse

FLOPPY DRIVE 1.44MB 3.5" Floppy Drive

OPERATING SYSTEM Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit w/Original DVD

SERVICE Standard 3 Year Limited Parts and Life-Time Labor Warranty

STORAGE MEDIA None.

SOFTWARE BUNDLE None.

ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE None.

Price: $1651.00

Is what you were trying to tell me before was that there is no 3gb limit on the 64-bit version of Vista?

LeftEyeNine

02-28-2008, 10:51

There has been quite some discussion here since the last time I checked.

What are your motherboard options AoW ? Brands and models please.

Husar

02-28-2008, 11:15

Okay, my opinion in short:

Get the 8800GT, it will beat the 8600GT SLI combo, especially in games that don't support SLI and probably in all others as well because 2 cards does not equal two times the performance, just around 1.66times or so usually, maybe even less. Keep in mind the 8600GT is quite a bit slower than the 8800GT which is a really good card from what I have read.
Not entirely sure but from past examples I would think the 7600GT is slower than the 8800GT, no matter the obvious numbers like core speed or memory, I bet the 8800GT has more shader units etc and thus a lot more processing power, the numbering in the names of the cards s very often very misleading.

The 650i mainboards are the same or even a bit faster in gaming performance than the 680i boards, the 680i boards have more additional stuff like more USB ports etc and provide more bandwidth for such things, shuffling data around etc. If your main concern is gaming, I'd go with the 650i, no need to spend 100$ more on additional USB bandwidth if you use USB only for printing and don't need your mainboard as your virtual penis enlargement(I have to say that, my Core2Duo runs stable on a 55EUR AsRock board for over a year now :2thumbsup: ). Wait, of course if you want to overclock you may also need a better board but then you don't seem to have the knowledge for that anyway, no insult, I never dared trying that either.

Get Vista Home Premium or Ultimate(like the 680i boards only if you want really advanced stuff or a virtual enlargment) 64bit with 4 GB of RAM(yes, 64bit supports more than 3GB and should run faster on a 64bit CPU as well).
I have 64bit Business and despite some older games everything runs fine for me. Some are not that "lucky" apparently and others like to keep their very old games around so if you want that, maybe keep your old computer for these or go with XP but keep in mind Vista is the future. ~;p

edit: stupid me, I said short, sorry. ~D

LeftEyeNine

02-28-2008, 11:31

Is 64bit OS backwards compatible ?

Xiahou

02-28-2008, 15:38

I haven't looked lately, but back when I built my PC the 8800 with half the RAM was a good deal, imo. It was significantly cheaper and the performance difference was almost negligible under most applications. If it's still substantially cheaper, I'd go for it if you're up against your budget limit. If it becomes a bottleneck later, a video card is a simple upgrade. :yes:

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 19:00

thanks guys...

Goin with the 64 bit home Premium Vista w/ 4 gigs of RAM...

As said, it's the future...

The last thing I need to pick quick is the graphics card and then I'm calling them up and beginning the ordering process.

Nvidia 9600 GT 700mhz...will this outperform or come really close to an 8800 GT 6xx mhz?

As said, I owe everyone a round when this is all over...which it will be later today.

Husar

02-28-2008, 19:59

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 21:12

http://en.expreview.com/2008/01/14/9600gt-early-bench-and-reviews/

That page has some graphics further down where you can see the performance difference for yourself, the 8800GT is faster but whether you consider it worth it depends on you and the price difference I guess.

Thank you- I used this and another chart similar to it...

Well guys, I have to make a couple phone calls quick but I'll be hanging around here the next week or so...

I ordered it. It's done.

Vigor Gaming Hornet NE Custom Built w/ monitor, speakers, subwoofer, etc.

Will be here March 12th or sooner...guaranteed.

Specs:

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6750 at 2.67GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 4M Cache

RIG Vigor Cooler Master CM 690 Screwless Chassis

RIG COLOR Black

RIG STYLE None.

RIG COOLING Vigor Cool BlastTM Cooling System with Triple 120MM Case Fan

RIG POWER Corsair CMPSU-620HX X Series nVidia-SLI Certified 620Watt Power Supply

RIG DIMENSIONS 8.39" Width X 20.65" Depth X 18.98" Height.

MB CORE LOGIC MSI P6N SLI-FI NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI Intel Quad Core Ready

MEMORY 4GB Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C4 X 2 DDR2 800MHz Memory (4 X 1024MB)

HARD DRIVE 1 WD Raptor 150GB WD RAPTOR S-ATA 10000RPM 16MB Cache Hard Drive

HARD DRIVE 2 None.

RAID SETTING None.

VIDEO CARD SLI SLOT 1 nVidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB Xtreme Edition @660MHz, DVI and TV Out

VIDEO CARD SLI SLOT 2 None.

OPTICAL DRIVE 1 SONY/NEC Internal AD7190A 20X Dual Layer DVD+/- RW + CDRW Rewritable Drive

OPTICAL DRIVE 2 None.

RECORDING SOFTWARE Bundled DVD/CDRW Software

SOUND Digital High Definition 3D 7.1 8-Channel Sound

NETWORK PORT Onboard Gigabit (10/100/1000Mbps) PCI Network Card

WIRELESS NETWORK PORT None.

I/O PORTS 1 Parallel, 1 Game/Midi, 1 IEEE 1394 Firewire and 6 to 10 USB ports (Varies by Motherboards)

MONITOR Viewsonic Q19W 19" 1440X900 700:1 Widescreen LCD Monitor (Special Priced Limited Quantity)

SPEAKERS Logitech X230 2.1 3-Channel Speakers w/Subwoofer

KEYBOARD Standard Black Internet Multimedia Keyboard

MOUSE Standard Black Optical Wheel Mouse

FLOPPY DRIVE 1.44MB 3.5" Floppy Drive

OPERATING SYSTEM Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit w/Original DVD

With Rush, Tax, etc etc etc....$2,105. I went balls to the wall, spending hundreds of my own money that I just flat out cannot afford right now.

Only live once right? :beam:

I went with the 8800 GT extreme, as it flat out does outperform the 9600 and is clearly, the graphics card that is future proof...not the 9600.

I went with 32 bit vista because I can upgrade to 64 bit any time I want. Being that there really aren't any 64-bit OS games out there for the next year or so, I'll be just fine with this. Again, future proof.

From everything I checked, this system should either flat out, or come close, to maxing Crysis. Who would agree with that assessment?

ArtistofWarfare

02-28-2008, 22:24

What are your motherboard options AoW ? Brands and models please.

http://vigorgaming.com/product/config_hornetne.html

That was the entire setup...all options...

Went with the MSI 650i over the Asus 650i. It (MSI) was the default MB with that build, and slightly cheaper...yet from what I've read, is just as good if not slightly better than the Asus. Specifically in Strategy/War games. When it comes to FPS, Asus might have a slight edge at times.

I got the impression that they're both 10/10 MB's, and it's really just a flip of the coin between the two of them.

Still, as I also gathered was probably the most important- It's SLI Intel Quad Core Ready. Already running dual core with this rig obviously...

added w/edit: Oh and Vigor has been exactly what I was looking for so far. Perfect core sets, and the customer service was phenomenal. I was on the phone with them for over 1.5 hours (my diligence as well as theirs) and I've never had a more pleasant conversation when ordering a product in my life. Now of course I jinxed it and the $600 Dell will show up by mistake...but still. Has to be said.

Husar

02-29-2008, 00:52

I went with 32 bit vista because I can upgrade to 64 bit any time I want. Being that there really aren't any 64-bit OS games out there for the next year or so, I'll be just fine with this. Again, future proof.
I play all my games in my 64bit Vista, just like almost all other 32 bit applications run under 64bit Vista. :shrug:

ArtistofWarfare

02-29-2008, 01:05

I play all my games in my 64bit Vista, just like almost all other 32 bit applications run under 64bit Vista. :shrug:

/shrug

I spent a good 5 minutes on the phone with them on just that...All the engineers were pretty emphatic that the 32 bit would be the optimal performance with this computer.

Further, and this is the really important issue...Considering the price is not too much to buy a 64 bit version of Vista, I could just plop it in there at any time I wanted.

Again...most likely when I add the 2nd 8800 GT Extreme, I'll add the 64-Bit Vista. It just doesn't sound like it would be advantageous for me to do that now, other than if I didn't want to worry about a 64-bit OS upgrade in the future. I really don't mind. As LEN was saying, we're talking very high end, "outpace" the tech features here and I'm already getting something 100x better than what I imagined.

When the 64-bit products start rolling out, I'll jack it up to 64-bit. Assumably beforehand. I'll probably upgrade again around Christmas...I doubt we'll be seeing 64-bit products by then from what I've gathered here.

The real decision I had to make was whether or not to get Vista. I'll take the Dx10 and run with it ya know?

Charge

02-29-2008, 01:07

but from what I understand you cant use 4gigs of RAM with 32bit...

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-29-2008, 01:17

but from what I understand you cant use 4gigs of RAM with 32bit...

You can't. Even less if you have a larger video card. Realistically, I think he might be getting 3GB effective RAM or so.

ArtistofWarfare

02-29-2008, 01:18

Correct...

That's what I was saying..

When I add a second Nvidia 8800GT, I'll upgrade to 64-bit Vista. Unlocking my 4th Gig which I won't need to upgrade at that point. Just the OS and probably the card.

Not that any of this is necessary...3 Gigs and 32-bit should be ok in the meantime, correct?

Evil_Maniac From Mars

02-29-2008, 01:33

Not that any of this is necessary...3 Gigs and 32-bit should be ok in the meantime, correct?

That's plenty for a well functioning gaming PC. ~:)

ArtistofWarfare

02-29-2008, 05:08

Vigor got back to me again now to confirm that my order has been passed through to production.

So far so good...

ArtistofWarfare

03-05-2008, 02:43

Just an update to those of you who were helping me/following this:

As of today- Just a couple of hours ago my computer went into assembly and may be shipping as early as Thursday.

Still- So far so good :2thumbsup:

ArtistofWarfare

03-06-2008, 03:09

Update:

As of 45 minutes ago, the assembly of the PC was listed as complete and the Q/C is in progress.

Parts Prep was like 5 days and Assembly was 1 day. I couldn't imagine Q/C could take any longer than 1 day...2 at most.

I'd like it to ship tomorrow because it can't on Sunday. 2 Day Air. If it ships tomorrow, it's here Saturday. So...

But it continues to go along smoothly...

Gregoshi

03-06-2008, 03:16

ArtistofWarfare

03-06-2008, 03:23

It is the waiting that is murder. At least with the tracking software delivery companies have today, you can track its progress to your door. Back in the day, you had to stand at the window with your nose pressed up against it looking down the street for the delivery truck for days on end. And then when you saw it, you'd pray it would stop at your house. :laugh4:

At the very least the tracking software provides an activity to pass the time while you wait...and have a ballpark idea, of course.

Although, I find myself trapped in a time warp just the same. Only now instead of simply staying at the window with my nose pressed up against it (which is exactly the picture we all imagine) I do that and intermittently run back to the PC to check the status of my...PC :dizzy2:

Hopefully they ship soon so all of this madness will end. :yes:

Evil_Maniac From Mars

03-06-2008, 03:27

That's like when Seagate shipped my replacement hard drive. It was made even worse by the fact I had a perfectly good gaming computer - with only one component missing!

ArtistofWarfare

03-06-2008, 03:41

that really sucks lol...

I have a bag with a new cable modem, ethernet cable, 2 games, etc...all just sitting there and I won't even look at it and tease myself. Waiting at least until this thing ships :juggle2:

Charge

03-06-2008, 16:43

few days? Lucky..

Some people waits new comp for years due to financial problems *sigh*....

ArtistofWarfare

03-06-2008, 18:32

few days? Lucky..

Some people waits new comp for years due to financial problems *sigh*....

I kind of know how they feel though...I've attempted to buy this type of setup for about 10 years now.

"Luckily" I did what I had to do during that time frame to be able to afford the computer...

I didn't win money or anything though, I worked. So, I'm only so "lucky". I doubt many would want to walk in the shoes I've walked in the majority of my life.

ArtistofWarfare

03-10-2008, 20:31

Update:

Computer is shipping today. Q/C is apparently, the longest step. I looked into Vigor Gaming and it is the norm for Q/C to take anywhere from 4-9 days standard. "Quality Control" apparently includes the installation of the operating system, installation of all additional software, testing, packaging, and finally shipping. Q/C will not be listed as complete until the product has shipped and you've received your tracking number for the shipment.

All in all, I further researched other high rated companies in this industry and it seems that I actually am getting this done pretty quickly. In the end, it will be 13 days total wait- from time I placed the order, to time it reaches my front door. Apparently, waiting 3-6 weeks is quite common with some other companies. So this isn't that bad...

Really the only aspect of this purchase that I underestimated. I didn't realize that it took so long to have a PC built. Now I know.

Either way, I should be posting from my new PC by Wednesday afternoon :2thumbsup:

Once it ships, the real waiting is over (basically now). Wednesday will get here ASAP.

ArtistofWarfare

03-11-2008, 17:27

Update:

Wednesday will indeed be the day. Packages were shipped on time yesterday and they are currently in Philadelphia (they wanted to see the Liberty Bell). No question, they'll be here tomorrow :balloon2:

Gregoshi

03-11-2008, 17:49

...they are currently in Philadelphia (they wanted to see the Liberty Bell).
Waves to AoW's new pc as it passes... ~:wave:

ArtistofWarfare

03-11-2008, 17:54

Waves to AoW's new pc as it passes... ~:wave:

It says "hey"...

:turtle:

ArtistofWarfare

03-12-2008, 23:36

Well, here it is- Posting from my new PC :balloon2: :balloon2:

Everything arrived on time and as far as I can tell in 5 or 6 hours so far- Flawlessly.

I've already called Vigor several times today with hardware related questions (basically- triple checking that they didn't shortchange me on hardware specs or put the wrong hardware in the system). Not only have they spent unlimited time with me during each call, they were extremely pleasant and forthcoming about everything. Still to this moment, they've been outstanding.

As far as the PC goes- It's amazing. Love it already. Vista is gorgeous, everything just FLIES, the sound is fantastic, I mean...I'm slightly overwhelmed. Have never had a PC like this even near my house, let alone hooked up and ready to go.

I'm going to start installing some programs...and I'm sure I'll wind up going right into playing some games. I'll definitely be back around later tonight or tomorrow though.

Once again (we'll talk later heh)- Thanks to everyone who helped me in this thread. I'm on the end result right now and ...it's perfect.

p.s.- The tower is also gorgeous...with scaled windows and a neon blue case light beaming out the windows. Black case otherwise. Speakers and monitor match the black/blue theme of the chassis.

p.s.s. For those of you wondering, since it's discussed in this thread- Vista 32-bit is running my 4 gigs of RAM at 3.50 gigs. Not bad at all. As was also covered in this thread- Installing 64-bit Vista would give me a full 4 gigs + ready to go. No worries here with anything. Once again, Vista is gorgeous.

Last thought for now, before I forget: I also received in the final package here, several upgrades. The monitor was upgraded. The mouse was upgraded to an optical. The keyboard was upgraded to the next model up from what I ordered. The motherboard was upgraded 1 model (MSI has phased out that model you see listed in this thread. They didn't give me the next ASUS up at 650I, they upgraded to the NEXT Asus after that. MSI themselves confirm this). The speakers and subwoofer- Amazing. So tiny, yet it's making a very large room in my house sound no different than a nightclub. The bottom line though is that not only did I get everything I ordered, I got a few hundred $$$ in upgrades as well. All "upgrades" were verified as such. Amazing straightforwardness and honesty out of Vigor with this. Looks like their 9.8 reseller rating is well deserved.