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phonicsmonkey
02-27-2008, 04:53
The Abbasid Caliph's Palace, Baghdad
In times past when the Abbasid Caliphs ruled over the lands of the faithful, provincial governors and satraps would journey to the Court of the Caliph for the shura, or consultation, between the Defender of the Faith and the ummah.
Although those days are but a memory, and the Caliphate a shadow of its former self, the tradition of the Court at Baghdad acting as a focal point for negotiations and announcements between nations of the region has persisted, and emissaries of the disparate peoples of the ummah continue to gather there to do business, gossip and make threats and declarations.
The current Caliph, weary of strife and keen to restore the Caliphate's leading role among the nations of the Dar al-Islam through religious instruction, diplomacy and trade, has encouraged this practice - and to that end has even invited the Kings of the Christian nations of the West to send their representatives to Baghdad.
An uneasy truce is maintained at the Court between the rival factions and freedom of speech and open negotiation is encouraged.
The Lemongate
02-27-2008, 05:52
The Caliph's Court, Baghdad
The Roman ambassador angrily storms in followed by a cohort of advisors, servants and bodyguards. Brazenly addressing the Caliph he exclaims:
"How dares the Arab Basileos send threats to the Roman People! Conflict with the Turkish invaders of Anatolikon is inevitable and entirely to blame on their illegitimate occupation of our ancestral land and holy cities! The Arabs should do well to remember that in the New Rome they deal with a people and a religion much older then their own and show us the respect that we are due."
Having shocked the court, the ambassador marches out amid the protests of various cheikhs and emirs.
phonicsmonkey
02-27-2008, 06:34
The Caliph's Vizier rises to address the Court
The Caliph assumes the Roman is referring to a recent communication sent to all of the Kings of the West, in which it was stated:
"The Caliph warns the Christian Kings that no unprovoked attacks on Islamic nations or further incursions on Islamic territories will be tolerated."
The Caliph would remind the Roman King that in the same communication he clearly stated that the Caliphate does not intend to wage a war against the Christian kingdoms, and that he also offered to act as an objective mediator in any disputes between the peoples of the book.
There is no implied threat in the Caliph's words, only the assertion, which should be already evident to all, that the Defender of the Faith cannot in good conscience let nations of the ummah suffer unprovoked attack and invasion by aggressors of any faith without trying his utmost to prevent it.
The Caliph considers all nations of the faithful, even those unrepresented at this Court like the Turkish and Ayyubid Sultanates, to be under his spiritual protection.
The Caliph seeks to forestall the need for violence by offering the possibility of peaceful negotiation between the ummah and the Christian nations, and welcomes constructive proposals from their Kings.
Let the King of the Romans put forth a proposition for the Caliph and the other leaders of the Dar al-Islam to consider.
The Ghaznavid ambassador stands. Although he has a *Turkish accent, his clothing seems more Persian.
Isn't this "Turkish Sultanate" some sort of splinter from the nation of the Great Seljuks? While I am all too happy to see the Seljuk oppressors lose territory to rebellion, I can't help but think this Sultanate is as voracious as the nation they split from, and not worth the Caliph's protection.
* The Ghaznavid ruling class was Turkish butheavily influenced by Persian culture. As for the accent, since this is Baghdad I figure Arabic is the lingua franca.
phonicsmonkey
02-27-2008, 06:50
The thoughts of the Ghaznavids are noted. The Caliph would welcome input from the other leaders of the ummah, either in this forum or privately.
The ambassador from the Kingdom of Jerusalem rises from his position.
Jerusalem would like to announce to this court that we shall seize the rebellious settlements Baalbeck, Hama, Antioch, Aleppo and Edessa. We pray that no other ruler will contest these claims, but should that occur, we will negotiate with all to find a peaceful resolution.
However, we too note that the Abbasids have seemingly added to the tensions between the Christens and the Muslims, all-the-while under the guile of brokering peace between the two. Jerusalem will not tolerate Abbasid interference in matters not of their own. We suggest you look to your own borders and your own neighbors before you look outwards at others. War between Jerusalem and the Ayyubid Sultanate is inevitable and necessary, but it is our war, not the Abbasid's, so stay out.
You have been warned.
phonicsmonkey
02-27-2008, 07:54
It pains the Caliph greatly to hear that the King of Jerusalem is not prepared even to attempt to live at peace with his Muslim neighbours the Ayyubids.
Without even bothering to standup, the ambassador quietly addresses the court:
I think the Caliph had best learn a little about how to fight war - specifically what to do in situations when you are surrounded - before he feels any more "pain" about Jerusalem's situation.
Ramses II CP
02-27-2008, 14:10
A small, dust-covered man enters the Court, clearly having just arrived from a long journey. He kneels before the Caliph and says, 'My Lord, the Maharaja of the Solanki Rajputs, has sent me to ask if this Council is solely for the sons of Abraham? The Maharaja feels it would be profitable to open talks with the larger world regarding territorial and other claims.'
So saying the emissary bows his head and waits silently for an answer.
:egypt:
The explosive Ghorid Sultan rises
"bah the Hindus have always been enemies of Allah, we shouldn't even let this rag of a man into these chambers!"
Ramses II CP
02-27-2008, 19:21
Without rising to his feet the Rajput emissary turns and bows deeply to the Ghorid Sultan, saying;
'It will please my Lord to know that the very people he wishes to address are so well represented in these chambers. Be assured that when the time is right your concerns will be answered. If, in the meantime, you wish to heap abuse on this poor vessel of the words of the mighty Maharaja I can say without hesistation that this will distress him not one whit.'
Smiling graciously the diplomat returns his gaze to the Caliph.
:egypt:
phonicsmonkey
02-27-2008, 22:45
The Caliph himself rises and addresses the weary traveller
The Maharaja's man is most welcome here at Baghdad, as are all men who come in peace and favour words over the cruel blade.
Let him convey his message in freedom, that we may be appraised of the mind of his Rajput lord.
I do not even know why I bothered to come here, a powerful Sultan's time is better spent killing Rajputs and spitting on the corpse of their mahagawhatever it is. The fools are too weak to do anything but con people out of their money, I can't stand their presence.
OOC::help: elephants
phonicsmonkey
02-27-2008, 23:08
The Vizier
The mighty and devout men of Ghor are right to be wary.
But let not the strife of the recent past blind us to the possibility for speech and mutual agreement.
Ramses II CP
02-27-2008, 23:15
The Indian emissary bows again towards the Caliph without acknowledging the comments of the Ghorid Sultan,
'The Maharaja wishes to make it known that Delhi is currently under control of a branch of the Rajputs whom the Maharaja considers to be his wayward subjects. They will be returned to the fold very soon, and Shiva preserve any who seek to bar our intent there. Additionally all lands east and south of Delhi are Rajput lands. Enter them at your own risk.'
'Peace be unto you great Lords.'
The diplomat bows again to the Caliph before standing and retreating to one side of the chamber to await any further business.
:egypt:
The Ghaznavid representative bows to that of the Rajputs.
Shah Khusrau sends his welcome to the Maharaji and his servant. He would like it known that just as the Maharaji considers Delhi as a wayward subject, we have a similiar concern regarding the Malikate of Sindh. Since the Malikate is west of any north to south border drawn from Delhi, we are sure that this will not offend the mighty ruler of the Rajputs.
Once more he bows then returns to his seat.
barcamartin
02-28-2008, 17:47
A man wearing the blue and white colours of the Seljuks enters the court room. His towering presence immediately silences the gathered.
' I bring word from the Mighty Sultan in Rayy, leader of the Great Seljuks. He wishes to inform the Georgians that they shouldn't get in the way of Seljuk expansion in Azierbaijan and Eastern Anatolia. The people in these lands will bow to the Sultan, and if the Georgians don't want to share this fate they shouldn't try to get in our way. These words of warning should also be heeded by the Abbasids. Even though we are brothers of the same faith, Abbasid incursion in the lands rightfully Seljuk in Eastern Anatolia and to the east of Baghdad will not be taken lightly. The great Sultan, second to only Allah himself, prays that the Georgians and Abbasids will let wisdom lead the path, and therefor avoid unnecessary bloodshed. If they respect these words of warning, the Sultan has no intent on war with either. '
His eyes meet with the Caliph's and with a short nod, he takes an empty seat. The old man in the chair to his right hastily gets to his feet and finds an empty chair closer to the Caliph. The Seljuk crosses his arms over his chest and gazes around the room, trying to find someone bearing the Georgian colours.
phonicsmonkey
02-28-2008, 23:21
The Vizier rises, eyes ablaze
Who is the Seljuk king to refer to himself in the same breath as the most mighty Allah (his name be praised)?
Let not these blasphemous words be heard again in the court of the most noble Caliph, descended from the line of the Prophet himself, lest the Seljuks be struck down by the furious anger of heaven!
Let the Seljuks also refrain from speaking of lands which are "rightfully" theirs!
Only the munificence and wisdom of the peace-loving Caliph prevents him from claiming all the lands formerly under the protection of the Defender of the Faith, a mighty empire which stretched from Cordoba to Kabul and put even that of the Romans to shame!
Never in my long life have I heard such impertinence! Why...
The Caliph clears his throat and fixes the Vizier with a firm and meaningful gaze. The Vizier stops, and after listening to some whispered words from his master, collects himself, and continues..
The Caliph is pleased to hear that the Seljuks intend no warlike actions against the Caliphate, and will conduct private discussions with the Sultan regarding the lands east and northwest of Baghdad.
But let no man in this chamber mistake the tolerance and benevolence of the Caliph for weakness, lest he feel the righteous wrath of the Prince of the Two Seas.
Ramses II CP
02-29-2008, 00:50
Bowing deeply to the Ghaznavid representative the emissary of the Rajputs says,
'The Maharaja has considered your words carefully, and so long as there is a mutual acknowledgement of territorial claims there shall certainly be no dispute from my people over the lordship of the Malikate of Sindh.'
:egypt:
A messenger arrives bearing a message from the head of Jerusalem's army, Balian de Ibelin.
The war has begun.
Gaza has been sacked.
Damascus is under seige.
God be praised!
The emissary of the Kingdom of Georgia rise calmly.
Although we do not wish war with the Great Seljuks, we cannot recognize their claims, knowing fully that in their hunger for conquest they will strike at us sooner our later.
In order to maintain our sovereignty we have entered in a defensive pact with the Ghaznavid Sultanate. The Great Seljuks should be warned that an attack against either of our country will amount to a declaration of war with both countries.
We do still hope that a peaceful resolution can be acheived, but to accept these terms would ludicrous at best.
The georgian emissary bows to the Caliph first, then to the representative of the Great Seljuks, before returning seat.
phonicsmonkey
02-29-2008, 02:53
The Vizier
The Caliph implores the Crusaders to spare the lives of the innocent faithful at Gaza and Damascus, and to allow them the freedom to practice their religion in peace.
deguerra
02-29-2008, 03:07
As Imam Sultan of Muscat and Oman, I too implore the release of all faithfull at Gaza and Damsacus, and would commend an effort of multireligious tolerance in the area. Anything short of that may bring the wrath of God and his wordly followers.
Jerusalen's representative
Very well.
We pledge to build no churches in any captured city that has no catholic peoples, and will abstain from building any religious buildings until such time as a large percentage of the population has converted to Christianity through their own free will.
We also pledge that should Damascus be taken for the glory of christ, the Grand Mosque of Damascus shall not be plundered or spoilt.
However, we cannot deny our soldiers their spoils of war, so every city that is captured by our valiant forces will be sacked, and all those who resist executed. This pertains not only to the cities of Islam but to all our enemies, whether they be Catholic, Orthodox or miscellaneous.
This is as far as Jerusalem will bow to the Muslim hosts of this court. I trust that it is satisfactory?
A tall, dark, well-built man enters the room and bows before the Caliph
I bring greetings, Great Caliph, from Negus Melku, King of Makuria and Nobatia, I will be his representative here in Baghdad.
He bows again and turns to face the rest of the ambassadors
My king would like to make it known that any attack on the rebels on africa, by anyone, will be met with extreme force, those settlements are ours and ours alone.
deguerra
02-29-2008, 04:00
Then have it known that the Imam Sultan of Oman and Muscat finds likewise for rebels on the Arab peninsula. It is far out of the way for other kings to bother themselves with, and Oman will gladly deal with the usurpers there itself.
The Makurian ambassador turns to the Omani Ambassador
What is your position on Suqutra? My Lord considers it part of Africa, but I'm sure your Sultan thinks otherwise, maybe we should get a neutral party to decide, Hmm?
deguerra
02-29-2008, 04:16
With all due respect to your king, but the proposition of arguing over an island that both of us can hardly conisder taking in the next 20 years seems mostly futile. But tell your king that the Imam Sultan will leave Calula alone as a trading post to the east for your people if your king will in return leave Oman Suqutra. Is this acceptable?
phonicsmonkey
02-29-2008, 04:25
The Vizier claps his hands and slaves bearing trays of mint tea are sent scurrying around the chamber
The Mighty Caliph of Baghdad welcomes the emissaries of the Imam of Oman and the King of Makuria.
The Caliph would like to discuss the matter of Northern Arabia with the Omanis in private. (OOC: check your pms deguerra)
He has no interest in Suqutra, wherever that may be.
The makurian ambassador shakes his head
No, Calula is on the African mainland and rightfully ours, just the thought of you 'letting' us keep it insults my king.
deguerra
02-29-2008, 04:31
Point taken. May we retire amicably from this dispute for now, to reopen it when the need is more presing? As was pointed out, neither of our illustrious nations is truly in the position to take the island.
The ambassador bows
Of course, you are right, there will be a better time for this discussion.
barcamartin
02-29-2008, 17:23
The Seljuk emissary sighs, and adresses the Georgian representative without rising to his feet.
The lands I spoke of will be Seljuk, even if your people decide to fight us. Your puny resistance would be crushed. With these words of disrespect and threats of war you greatly decrease the chances of peace between our nations. And you say that you have entered a pact with the Ghaznis ? That doesn't bother me or my countrymen one bit. We have conquered those weaklings before and if they challenge us we will crush them once more, without hesitation. As I said earlier, we had no intentions of going to war with you, Georgian dog, but your words here in this council have changed things. You should watch your tongue, infidel, or it may be taken from you !
His voice had been slightly ignorant through his entire speach, but with the last words it turned cold and threatening. Fixing the eyes of the Georgian with his gaze, he turns to his fellow Seljuk and tells him to inform the Sultan of what has been spoken in the council.
The representative of Jerusalem bows to the Caliph and addresses the court:
I bring word from Jerusalem that with the overthrowing of the Shiite Fatimid Caliphate and the acension of Salahuddin Ayyubid to the Egyptian throne, an end of hostilities has been declared between our two peoples. This new-found peace shows that there is a chance for coexistence between Christain and Muslim, and we pray that it lasts.
The Ghaznavid representative bows in the direction of the Kwarezhm and Ayyubid emmisaries.
I would like to welcome the Kwarezhm Shah and Ayyubid Sultan to this Council.
He turns towards the Seljuk representative, without bowing.
As for the Seljuks, I would remind them that they have many neighbors, most of whom have unpleasant memories of occupation. Now that the Seljuks are in decline, I would reccommend that they not retain the attitude from the days in which they were a dominant power.
A small group of men enters the chamber, looking alot like the Sassanids of old, though when their leader speaks it is with a clear turkish accent, bowing to the Calph he addresses the council
I bring word from the Khwarezm Shah, though now an old man, he wishes to make these claims and statements before he passes on.
In the few years he has left, the Shah wishes to make his claims on the following provinces known;
firstly the rebellious Khwarezm provinces of Merv, Samaquand and Termuz
secondly the Korosan provinces of Mashad, Tus and Nisapur
thirdly the Dalyami provinces of Gorgon, Sari and Amol
As all nations can profit from trade, we will be sending a permanant emmasary to Baghdad, so long as there are no objections from the Calph of course, where any man who wishes for a shorter journey may conduct formal business with us.
Though a humble nation, we strive for greatness, that does not mean we will do so in an overly aggressive way, the Khwarezm does not seek war with any of the nations represented here his eyes flash as he see's the turkish delegation, his voice seems more tense as though he remembered something painful from childhood ...though we do have long memmories and any invasion will be crushed.
We do look forward to hearing the wisdom of the council
phonicsmonkey
03-01-2008, 15:13
The Vizier
The Caliph welcomes the news of peace between Saladin and the Crusaders- long may it last!
The warmest of greetings is extended to the representative of the Mighty Khwarezm Shah - the Caliph would urge him to enter a constructive dialogue with his neigbours the Seljuks and the Ghaznavids to agree the peacful division of the un-aligned territories at their borders.
The Caliph does not object to the presence of a permanent Khwarezm representative at Baghdad. In fact he would urge all nations to send their diplomats here so that agreements and negotiations can be more efficiently expedited.
My thanks go to the Caliph for allowing me to establish permanant residence here *the new abassador bows*
the shah would like to make it known that a formal non-aggression pact is currently en-route to the sultan of the seljuks, which already has his signature
If ratified, he renounces his claim on Amol and supports the turk claim on the settlement instead
it seems such formal diplomacy was not needed with the Sultan of Ghanzi, both he and the shah were of immiditally of one mind concerning their mutual border
barcamartin
03-01-2008, 18:50
A group of men enter the room. Their leader clears his throught and silences the room.
' I wish to announce that the one true Sultan and the Shah of the Khwarezm have come to an agreement, setting aside their differences. Following was agreed upon in the palace chambers in Rayy: '
- The Rayy treaty -
(Khawazi-Seljuk non-aggression pact)
- Cities of Gargon, Sari and Amol on the Southern bank of the Caspian Sea are never to have more than 6 units as a garrison, unless one ruler informs the other and validly motivates an increase of garrison troops.
- Neither nation will send troops or assassins into each others lands.
- Neither nation will use scouts/spies to incite the others cities to riot.
Doing any of the above will count as a transgression against the treaty. The treaty will remain in effect, but the transgressor must pay 500 florins to the other faction.
Attacking, assassinating or bribing armies, cities or generals of the other, on the others or neutral land will break the treaty. The one who does so must pay 10,000 florins to a uninvolved faction, democratically selected by the other factions in the council.
However, armies from one faction may help to defend allied factions from the other signatory, but only in their allies own provinces, not on neutral ground, or the property of the other signatory
The treaty may be nullified. After nullifying it, both factions are still bound by its terms for 2 turns
Private terms agreed upon during negotiation will be paid/fulfilled when the conditions are met.
Shah ala Addan of the Khwarezm
Sultan Sanjar of the Great Seljuks
The Ghazni rep glares briefly at the Seljuk section, then turns to address the Council.
I am glad to see that the Shah of Kwarezhm has managed to extract his fair share in his treaty, and paricularly impressed that he does so against our voracious neighbor to the west. As the Shah's diplomat notes, he and the Shah of Ghazni were of one mind concerning their border.
Since it appears the Seljuk Sultan will be going after rebel land to his southeast in lieu of the territories he rightfully agree should go to Kwarezhm, I am issuing a warning. He is not to take any territory to the east of the *Farah River, which I intend to be my western border.
He sits down.
* I apoligize if I got this wrong. In BC a river runs straight from west of Herat down to the Gulf. I don't have any good maps in the apartment, and could find a map online that showed one long, continous river in the region. I think the Farah river is the one by Herat, but am not sure, and do not know if it runs all the way down to the sea or turns into another river. :embarassed:
barcamartin
03-02-2008, 10:08
The Seljuk rises from his seat, and targets the Ghazni representative.
' There is no way the Sultan will be told what to do and not to do by the Ghazni weaklings. If the Sultan sees the lands of which you speak as valuable to our great nation he will send the might of the Seljuk army. Ghazni or not. '
Withour futher notice, he leaves the room. His assistant has no choice but to stay put, and withdraws into the corner of the room.
Ha, by "might of the Seljuk army" I assume you mean the overstretched forces of a decaying empire. The days of Seljuk dominance are over, your empire shattered, with shrinking borders. We do not fear you, and any atttempt to cross the Farah river will be met with overwhelming force.
Flustered, the Ghazni rep sits down, muttering to himself.
barcamartin
03-02-2008, 11:41
The Seljuk's assistant thinks of what to answer. Just as he rises from his chair, the doors fly open and the leading Seljuk emissary comes back in. He spots his man in the corner and walks over to him. When he hears of the latest insults the Ghazni spat out, he turns around and targets the man in blue and green.
' These words show your ignorance and stupidity. You are unwise to believe these words yourself. The empire of the Great Seljuks is never ending, and it's armies unstoppable in their rightous conquests. Heed this warning, Ghazni-dog. Your river won't stop us, neither will your beloved mountains. Tell your sultan that he may come out of his cave, we are not after him... yet. '
The Ghazni rep laughs.
Spared by an empire too weak to threaten our kingdom, too weak to even have kept hold of this very city in which we now meet? I will tell Shah Khusrau of this "favor" we are being granted. I believe he has not had a good laugh in a while, and this message will rectify that.
barcamartin
03-02-2008, 12:10
The Seljuk glares viciously at the Ghazni, and looks like he is just about ready to kill someone as his assistant pulls him back to his seat and mutters something in his ear. Occupied by this new topic, he ignores the whispers that fill the court room.
the nation of Khawarezm would like to clarify its position on the minor sultanates south-east of Koroson,
we have no designs on those sultanates as of now, pehaps in five to ten years that will change, as we are not in the habbit of claiming things we cannot acomplish in reasonable time, we have not made any claim on these settlements
As the Seljuk sultan has made claims to lands in both Azerbijan and Mesopatania, we would insist he adopt a simmilar policy... lest he try and conquer on all three fronts at once and spread his forces to thiny, which wouldn't be a wise move at all, considering how antagonising his head emissary can be
barcamartin
03-02-2008, 15:00
' You should tell us nothing of claiming vast areas before they are even within your grasp. You stated right here in this council your territorial "desires", and they are not exactly humble. '
my dear sultan, they do not need to be "within our grasp", as the people of those provinces make up the shah's armies of their own free will, it follows then, that he should provide them and their families with impressive towns in which to live, as opposed to their current rulers who let them stagnate in hovels, does it not?
If anything, these people are within our hearts, though I can see we have differing governing styles.
Though they may not be humble, they are completly honest, and well within the reach of our skilled generals and mighty soilders. How many other nations could say that?
Now, let this council turn its attention to something more important internationally than the logistics of the shah's army, or personal insults levied against the members of this august body...
Such as what has become of the holy city of Mekka? I am sure many in the council wish to know.
Banzai Kamikaze
03-03-2008, 05:33
An opulent bearded man enters the room, followed by a small retinue.
"Salam, fellow ambassadors. I have been sent by the the great, the powerful, nay, the legendary Salah al-Dīn Yusuf ibn Ayyub. My words are but a humble reflexion of his magnificent intelligence.
In his great wisdom, he has deemed necessary to send a new ambassador to this honorable court. You all have heard of the terrible Christian offensive which shattered the Fatimid's army defending Gaza, and which is about to occupy Damascus and Homs. Some of you may see this as a sign of weakness.
Friends and ambassadors, know that Salah al-Din wished the fall of the corrupted Fatimids, who wished to plunge the Holy Lands into a bloody war with the Honorable King Baldwen. It is He who convinced numerous Fatimid generals to join his cause and let the Christians strike the corrupted Fatimids in Gaza.
It is He who convinced the armies of Damascus and Homs to leave the corrupted Fatimids and join him.
Defeated by the Christians you say ? No, fellow ambassadors. Helped by King Baldwen. Helped by another man who wishes peace in the Holy land. Praise be to Salah al-Din ! He has risen from the ashes of the devious Fatimids to bring peace and order, not only to the Holy land, but throughout the Muslim world !
He whose deeds are legendary has risen an army larger than the horizon. Let the enemy of the Ayyubids tremble. Thousands of horses ride to the rebellious settlements of the Nile and western Arabia.
Ambassadors, I invite you for a feast, a gesture from Salah al-din himself. The Makurian, Georgian and Armenian ambassadors are NOT invited."
phonicsmonkey
03-04-2008, 09:41
The Caliph rises. All bow respectfully as he leaves the chamber followed by his entourage of holy men, slaves and nobles. The Vizier remains but is not mandated to speak in his absence.
phonicsmonkey
03-06-2008, 23:33
The Caliph and his entourage return.
The Vizier stands.
The Caliph is pleased to announce that the rebellious cities of Samara and Kirkuk have been restored to the Caliphate.
Allah u Akhbar!
Banzai Kamikaze
03-07-2008, 00:15
May every rebellious settlement fear the Muslim nations. May Allah bless the Caliph, for he is a son of Islam.
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 08:41
An emissary of the Honourable and Wise Sultan of the Turks would speak before the assembly:
"Greetings to you, noble lords. May this meeting bring peace and prosperity to your various nations and peoples.
My Sultan wishes to offer his sentiments of good will to all. It is the Sultan's will that our peoples, while varied in culture, ethnicity, and religious convictions, might find common groud to resolve our differences. The neighbors of the Turks, for example, are not of our religion, yet we would seek peaceful trade and relations with them.
The wise and benevolent Sultan envisions a great future where such distinctions are not a matter of great importance, as he knows that we all honour and serve God (Allah) in our own way.
The Sultan welcomes your emissaries of peace, that we might find solutions to our mutual problems and propser together as civilized peoples do.
In the name of Allah the most Merciful, the Sultan would also like to clarify that the Turkish people, although most peace-loving, do retain the right of self defense in case of unprovoked attack. There can and will be peace in Anatolia and throughout our lands. But all civilized nations should band together in the cause of justice and prevail upon those who would cause aggression.
The Sultan would like to offer aid and assistance to any nation whose borders have been violated by an aggressive power. To those beyond marching distance of our soldiers, we would offer assistance in other ways. Please send us your diplomats in the name of peace, that we may negotiate terms.
May the many blessings of Allah, or your chosen Divine God, be upon you and your peoples!
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 17:45
I do not wish to speak out of turn, but the Sultan of the Rum Turks wishes to express his regret and dismay that the peoples of the ERE and Georgia have not sent an emissary in the name of peace to establish even an informal treaty of nonaggression.
Lack of diplomatic contact in this matter is considered hostile. We wish to establish a peaceful coexistence with our friends and brothers of Georgia and the Eastern Roman Empire.
Please, for the sake of peace, meet with me to discuss terms, even if your actions be warlike, I am willing to discuss any deal which results in the further survival of the Turkish people. We may accept a vassalage and tribute deal in exchange for peace, should it come to that.
Let us not begin things as enemies. In the name of Allah, we can be your friends!
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 19:11
The ambassador of the Sultan of Rum would speak before the assembly:
The Treacherous Sultan of the Seljuk "Turks" has suggested that he will reconquer our lands in a threatening communication! The honourable and magnificent Sultan of Rum will not tolerate this outrage!
Fear us, traitorous Sultan of the Rum Turks. Your outlaw nation will not be tolerated. You will once again be part of the great nation of the Seljuk unless you agree to cede territory and tribute to our people! If you do not give in to our demands then war is the only possible course of action.
Let his treachery be exposed to all in this peaceful council. I am calling upon all civilized nations to come to the aid of the Sultanate of Rum, even if all you can offer is peaceful protest of this act of aggression.
We, the honourable people of Rum will not stand idly by and be bullied by a foreign power, even if they are brothers of the Faith. We are not to be bullied or trifled with.
I demand an arbitration to resolve this matter!
barcamartin
03-07-2008, 19:14
Hearing the the words of the Turk, the Seljuk emissary gets to his feet, clearly enraged.
' Noble and non-noble men gathered here, don't say you actually believe these words ? The foul Sultanate of Rum is just a power hungering pack of rebels, enjoying control of lands us Seljuks conquered for them. There lands will be ours, and nothing the puny Turks can do will prevent this. I ask you, noble men gathered here, to stay out of this conflict. This is a matter between true Seljuk men and pathetic Turkish outlaws. '
With these words, he glares angrily at the Turk and walks back to his seat. He mutters something to his assistant. The small man bows to his superior and leaves the court room.
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 19:22
The ambassador of Rum rises to his feet and angrily protests the lies of the Seljuk.
Your insults to the great nation of Rum have angered the Sultan.
It is only in the interest of peace and brotherhood that His Benevolence does not immediately declare war on your decadent empire! Brothers of the assembly, the Seljuk empire again seeks to claim rulership of the Caliphate, as demonstrated by their betrayal of their own people, the Turks of Rum.
I warn you, Seljuk; I am seeking alliances as we speak to counter your vile claims. Do not take any more aggressive action, lest our peoples come to war.
I would again call on any peace-loving nation to secure an alliance with the Sultan of Rum, as we desperately need military assistance to counter the belligerent powers of Anatolia. Your assistance brings with it the loyalty and tribute of the Rum Turks. Please help us in our most desparate hour!
The ambassador leaves the assembly and calls on his aide to sit in his place. The visibly shaken ambassador leaves to regroup and calm himself.
the Shahdom of Khwarezm would like to call for restraint from both nations of turks.
It is our understanding that, to make war upon each other, armies would have to cross mountinus terrain which is bordered by the christian nations of Georga and Cillatian Armenia, who would undoubtadly get dragged into any conflict.
Surely neither sultan wishes the whole region of eastern asia minor to be engulfed in the flames of war over could be resolved peacefully?
the ambassador shakes his head as he resumes his seat and is heard muttering something about civil wars inflicting more hurt than anything else
The Georgian ambassador rises calmly.
Once more we bare witness to more Seljuk threats and warmongering. I ask you, noble lords, why are the Seljuks invited to this council of peace if all the words they share with us are threats, insults and territorial claims?
We are weary of the Seljuk's aggressive stance in every discussion and thus, until this council takes some form of action to promote peace talks instead of blatant threats we will take our leave. We encourage any who have similar feelings to do the same.
The Georgian ambassador then leaves the room, stopping only to say a few word to the Turkish emissary.
You should received our message by now, I hope it will prove satisfactory.
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 19:49
The delegate from the Sultanate of Rum will speak on behalf of the Turkish ambassador who is not present:
Would the honourable Shah of Kwarezm be offering to resolve this dispute as a neutral arbitrator?
It is in the best interests of all our peoples to avoid conflict. I would greatly value any assistance in this matter that the Shah or any neutral observer may offer. The Seljuk have rejected our offers of trade and a treaty of nonaggression.
It is not we who wish to make war, as the Sultan of Rum is greatly pleased to announce that the ambassadors of the Eastern Roman Empire and of the great Kingdom of Georgia have established diplomatic relations with our peaceful nation.
Already the hand of friendship has been extended to all our immediate neighbors, yet I fear that will not be enough. Unless our dispute with the Seljuk is mediated, it is entirely possible our people will have to arm for a defensive battle.
I have contacted the Georgian King on this matter, and he agrees that a treaty of mutual assistance may be in order.
The shah would unfortunitally not agree to serve as a neutral arbitor, as he feels his own personal feelings towards offers would have an effect on his neutrality during negotiations;
he would suggest arbitration is done by someone who has no border with either party, nor any prior memories of the turks, such as the Rajput Maharaja or Omani King.
you would let the matters of honourable muslims be settled by a hindu! This is blasphemy, let the Omans do it, at least they follow the right faith.
Ramses II CP
03-07-2008, 20:20
The Maharaja feels it would be unwise to associate himself with a potential agreement which he would have no power to enforce or monitor. Any aggreived party might then tar the greater Rajput empire with the same brush as the treacherous member of the treaty.
The Maharaja has communicated to me that he greatly hopes a peaceful solution can be found.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 20:35
If the Omans wish to arbitrate the dispute, I have no objections.
Do the Seljuk Turks object?
The Lemongate
03-07-2008, 21:01
A small man of Greek descent enters the room. It is oubvious by his demeanor that he is a Roman, but he is far less elegant then the ambassador whose seat has lain empty for the past few weeks.
Having heard of the bickerings of this court, the Roman ambassador has sent me to warn the assembled powers that the armies of Rome are on the march to quell felony in rebelious city states and vassals. We strongly suggest all foreign powers to stay clear of our way as Roman courage and virtue shall see us victorious. Distant powers should take care of their own lands before seeking to interfere in territories that have always belonged to eternal Rome. Furthermore, I shall sit in this council and relay any message of importance to our ambassador until such a time as he judges his presence here is necessary and the insults made to Rome by the islamic Basil have been washed away by time.
The messanger sits in the chair left empty weeks earlier by the Roman ambassador.
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 21:10
If the messenger from the Roman empire would clarify which rebel provinces he means to possess, perhaps the Turkish people will be willing to come to a peaceful arrangement. However, the Sultan of Rum requires some lands of his own, for the living space of the Sultan's people has become crowded and encroached upon by potential invaders.
Shall we divide the rebel provinces among us, like civilized peoples?
I await your honourable reply, emissary of the great Roman people.
The Lemongate
03-07-2008, 21:24
The Roman People have already refrained from demanding the return of lands from Ikonion (Konya) to Theodosiopolis (Erzurum)! You should slake your thirst for land outside Anatolikon! Go east, in Greater Armenia or Syria and deal with the heathens there! We have armies besieging Dorylaion, Amorion, Sinopa and soon Heracleia and we shall not divvy them up with any contenders.
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 21:37
You dare insult us after we have generously offered peace between our peoples and mutual cooperation?
This is most intolerable. Unless you offer a sincere apology to the peoples of Rum for your outrageous comments, I feel we have no choice but to suspend negotiations.
Let history record that your imperial ambitions and unfriendly words lead to your downfall, decadent empire of the Romans.
The Lemongate
03-07-2008, 23:19
If you take facts for insults, then not even Roman education and culture will save you from a literary armageddon. You asked for a list rebellious cities Rome is besieging, we complied. Western Anatolikon is under the aegis of the Basileos of Rome. If you seek lands that answer to no master, only the East is open to you. But if you wish for war, then know that the western cities of Anatolikon shall be guarded by roman arms and valor.
This matter is in your hands, Turk. We have already declared our intentions, only your motives remain nebulous. If history is of any council, all people, be they children of Christ or followers of Muhammad, should have reasons to doubt your peaceful intentions. The very cities you call home have been the heart of Roman civilization for centuries! Ikonion, Kaesarea Kappadokeia, Sebasteia, Ankyra! And yet we do not threaten you for their return. Do not threaten us for more land that is rightly ours. And do not lecture us on history. Rome has stood for over a thousand years! You have a chance to prove history that the Turks know of peace and prosperity as much as they know of scourge and war.
May God enlighten your judgement. In your short stay at this council, you have stoked many old rivalries. Ambition and vision are worthy qualities when tempered with wisdom and moderation.
I would like to point out that for nearly 600 of those years, Roma has not been under control of the Romani.....
though we do support the romans claims on the cities they are already beseiging, since they are, in fact beseiging them and no party here had an allaince with those city states
The Lemongate
03-07-2008, 23:38
To correct the noble delegate of the Khwarezm Shah, it has been a little over 400 years since the Exarchate was abolished in Italia. However, in his great wisdom, Konstantinos had a New Rome built which now bears his name. The Empire has endured much, but Eternal Rome shall never fall.
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 23:48
If you take facts for insults, then not even Roman education and culture will save you from a literary armageddon. You asked for a list rebellious cities Rome is besieging, we complied. Western Anatolikon is under the aegis of the Basileos of Rome. If you seek lands that answer to no master, only the East is open to you. But if you wish for war, then know that the western cities of Anatolikon shall be guarded by roman arms and valor.
This matter is in your hands, Turk. We have already declared our intentions, only your motives remain nebulous. If history is of any council, all people, be they children of Christ or followers of Muhammad, should have reasons to doubt your peaceful intentions. The very cities you call home have been the heart of Roman civilization for centuries! Ikonion, Kaesarea Kappadokeia, Sebasteia, Ankyra! And yet we do not threaten you for their return. Do not threaten us for more land that is rightly ours. And do not lecture us on history. Rome has stood for over a thousand years! You have a chance to prove history that the Turks know of peace and prosperity as much as they know of scourge and war.
May God enlighten your judgement. In your short stay at this council, you have stoked many old rivalries. Ambition and vision are worthy qualities when tempered with wisdom and moderation.
I can tolerate your claim on our lands no longer. The Turkish people will not stand idly by while you continue to insult us.
If you sincerely wish these lands to be yours, then you must strip them from our cold, dead hands. In the meantime, I would remind you that ROME has been split into a great many pieces, and all that remains of your backward and hateful people is a small remnant of one of Rome's provinces. Your empire reeks of death, and you will not gain new life by declaring war on all your neighbors.
Unlike yourself, the Turkish people have attempted to make friends with those around us. Your belligerence, arrogance, and condescension have weakened your position, not strengthened it.
When the last of the Roman empire has finally fallen, and you bow to the might of the Sultan's armies, I will hear your apology. Perhaps then we will have peace, and you may remain as some small vassal state of our glorious nation. In the meantime I would like to assure the nations of Armenia and Georgia that I have no intention of invading your lands, as I must quickly dispatch these Roman fools. With your help, and Allah's will, we will come together as civilized nations and push back the imperial power of former Rome, and finally be safe from her tyranny.
Join me, my friends, in the name of peace. Let us stop this warlike faction before they destroy us all!
barcamartin
03-07-2008, 23:49
Not even bothering to stand, the Seljuk emissary adresses the court.
' Just the fact that the pityful Turks are calling upon foreign powers to settle a dispute that is between them and us, the rightful owners of their lands, shows their weakness. The Sultan would wish other Muslim and Christain nations alike to leave this affair in the hands of those rightfully ivolved, that is the outlaw Turks and us, the Great Seljuks. '
With a sigh he leans back in his chair and just stares menacingly at the Turk.
Askthepizzaguy
03-07-2008, 23:58
Again the Sultan of Rum is threatened by a dead and dying empire, this time from the East.
Will you Imperialists never learn? People seek freedom and enlightenment, not slavery and war. In the name of all that is righteous and good about this world, I will never surrender to the likes of you treacherous dogs. When the great Turkish people are once again united, I will personally see to it that your Sultan begs forgiveness from each and every person he once threatened, and throws himself before the mercy of the Caliph of Islam, and Allah the Most Righteous.
I cannot abide by the threats and insults of belligerent powers, especially from traitors to Islam.
You have territory and arms now, but if you continue to alienate your neighbors, they will unite and pick your nation apart piece by piece.
The Lemongate
03-08-2008, 00:09
We have wished you peace and prosperity even though you stand on our soil.
We have listened to your claims even as you threatened us and have exposed our position in a most courteous manner.
We have even offered you a solution where our two peoples could have coexisted.
Yet you consistently pursued war at all turns. You are a disgrace to your people and an insult to this council. You are a weak nation, surrounded by enemies of all faiths and you act as a childish brat who has been denied his afternoon meal.
I have to report to the ambassador at once. The next time we meet, Turk, it will be in Ikonion and you will be in a cage.
Adressing the Caliph
You are judge of this council and may make of this mess what you will. We had warned you that war was inevitable in Anatolikon and now it is upon us. I pray you see our efforts to reach peace, though futile it may have been.
Alea jacta est!
The Roman exits the court, hurrying to the ambassador's residence.
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2008, 00:29
One might snicker at the insane words of the Roman ambassador, as he both threatens the Caliph and appeals to his wisdom in the same breath.
I might also point out that while our overtures of peace have been genuine, the "solution" you offered us was nothing more than a threat to stay within the borders of our nation while you greedily gobbled up those provinces who wisely threw off the yoke of your oppression.
I have not persued war at all turns. As a matter of fact, I have persued nothing but peace amongst all my neighbors. Armenia, Georgia, and Jerusalem can attest to that. And when I approached you with an offer of peace I was met with insults and ridiculous claims to our land by your dying empire. One might think the once mighty Roman empire might have been humbled by it's almost total collapse, but instead they still speak as if they rule the world.
I would appeal to the Caliph (unlike the Roman ambassador I have been respectful of his wisdom and the other members of this council) that he might condemn the hostile actions of the Roman Imperialists.
I sought only peaceful relations with my neighbors, only to be slapped in the face by not one, but two decadent empires. If either nation TRULY wanted peace, they would NOT behave with such belligerence.
The Roman doubletalk about peace is fooling no one. I will hear no more of it.
As the bickering between the two Turkish emmisaries and the Roman one died down the Ghazni representative chuckled to himself. He was beginning to suspect that all the factions to the west were incapable of peace, but only time would tell for sure.
I would like to announce that the Sultane of Ghazni and Maharaj of the Rajputs have signed a treaty. It will be known as the Treaty of Pindhi as that is where their diplomats met to discuss it. It includes a trade deal, non agression pact, among the resolution of certain other issues.
The Ambassador from Jerusalem picks at his fingernails as he listens to the Seljuks and the Turks argue back and forth. He mutters to his delagation, "Why don't just go and fight it out instead of wasting our time?"
phonicsmonkey
03-08-2008, 04:54
The Vizier stands
The Caliph welcomes the Sultan of the Rum Turks to his court, and wishes him well.
The Caliph would urge all of the peoples of Anatolia to set aside foolish pride and ancient grievances and work together, as the Ghaznavids, Rajputs and many of the others of this chamber have done, to proceed peacefully and reasonably without threats and counter-threats of war.
There is enough land and riches in Asia Minor to support a number of nations - let not the prosperity of all be threatened by the greed and belligerence of a few.
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2008, 05:41
The honourable delegate from the Sultanate of Rum stands and sings the Caliph's praises.
Yes, let there be no more threats of war! In the name of Allah the Most Merciful and all that is Holy, we should set our differences aside.
The Sultanate of Rum is hereby prepared to mediate all our differences with the Eastern Romans. In fact, I have personally decided* to disband two great armies and send the foolish generals to drown in some nameless sea.
As for the rest of us, we are content to sit at home and practice our needlepoint. I've already quilted a great banner of peace, knitted the Romans some very nice little mittens to keep their hands warm while they slaughter us, and sewn together some very nice ladies' unmentionables to wear while I am out on the battlefield not killing things. We shall be known as a nation of arts and crafts, flag burning, and herb smoking. And furthermore, we have established many ineffectual left-wing reformist movements, such as the People's Front of Turkey, the Turkish People's Front, and the Popular Front of Turkey. I will personally see to it that all the evil weapons of the Turkish Sultanate will be thrown into a great big bonfire and we will all merrily sing
Kumbaya, my Allah, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Allah, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Allah, kumbaya
O Allah, kumbaya
______________________
Just then the honourable delegate's assistant drags him off of the floor, saying that the honourable delegate has just had a bit too much Rum.
Bored with the present debate, the ambassador leans back in his uncomfortable chair, given to him by the Vizier for some cruel purpose no doubt, and casually inquires:
While you celebrate peace by burning your weapons, would it not be better for all if the Romans would crash your party and end this pointless dispute in one fell strike?
Perhaps the slaughter of your people, a fate that awaits all Muslims who wish to deny Christianity to their lands, will reduce your candor?
in an undertone
Then again, given the Turkish Sultan's record for frivolity, perhaps not...
to the court
We in the Levant will watch with no more than idle curiosity as Anatolia rebalances itself while we show the true path to the Christians in the north who refuse to kneel before the King of Jerusalem, beginning first with "Prince" Bohemund in Antioch.
barcamartin
03-08-2008, 10:27
Feeling no need to add to the discussion, the head Seljuk emissary once more leaves the council. This time, there is no other Seljuk representative left in the room.
The shah of khwarezm would like to hear an explanation of what "left wing" means.... is the sultan of Rum suggesting that his Sultanate is a bird of some kind?
OOC: 11/12th century Islamic kingdoms...... I doubt modern political terms could be used to describe politics of the day
Askthepizzaguy
03-08-2008, 15:30
OOC- A joke, mighty Shah.
Praise Jebus.
Banzai Kamikaze
03-10-2008, 05:10
The large Ayyubid emissary rises from his chair
"Praise be to Salah Al-Din. He has listened to Allah, and has seen how the Muslims must unite and end this bickering between the Turks and the Seljuks.
Salah al-Din wonders whether the Seljuks' advance towards the Turks is in the name of Allah, or for their own purposes. He has consulted twenty illustrious imams who all agree with him: may Allah forgive the Seljuks, as their nation is destined to a forgettable doom should they march towards Anatolia. Allah himself will strike down any Seljuk army marching west.
However, should you ask for his infinite forgiveness, he will greet you back in his family.
Looking towards Jerusalem's ambassador
Jerusalem's words sound quite threatening.
You would do well to clarify your statement, as we wonder whether King Baldwen is insulting Islam. Christians are free to practice their religion in our lands, as Muhammad preaches tolerance.
The Ayyubids would like the Jerusalem ambassador to rephrase his comment about the slaughter of all Muslim peoples.
phonicsmonkey
03-10-2008, 05:14
The Vizier claps his hands and a slave dashes over to the ambassador of the King of Jerusalem and changes his chair for an even less comfortable one.
The Caliph would second that appeal - the King of Jerusalem's man should withdraw his threats of slaughter.
Such language has no place at a peaceful gathering such as this.
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 05:20
The honourable ambassador of the Sultan of Rum would speak again before this august body, having recovered from the alcohol poisoning perpetrated upon him by Roman instigators.
Indeed, great nation of the Seljuk, please turn back your armies. You attack the peace loving nation of Georgia, and also threaten us with talk of reconquest. The slaughter of Muslim brothers is against Allah's will.
Indeed, the senseless slaughter of Christians is not Allah's will either. Let us begin peace talks.
As for the less honourable delegate from the Eastern Roman Empire, the Sultan has decided upon a peace deal which may interest you. The alternative is a response to your power-grabbing in Anatolia.
If you do wish peace, as you have repeatedly professed, let us have honourable discussions in good faith. We lose nothing in the attempt at peace, and we have much to gain from avoiding war.
Your ears must be deceiving you Saracen. If you say that Christians are free to practise their faith in Muslim lands, then, according to my earlier announcement, there is no problem.
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 05:23
Honoured nation of Jerusalem, we also wish to offer diplomatic solutions to the coming crisis in the Levant.
Please refrain from expanding further north, as the nation of Armenia is no threat to you and a trade partner of the Rum Turks.
"The coming crises in the Levant?"
There are but two nations in the Levant, the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Sultanate of Salahuddin Ayyubid, and both are at peace, and it shall remain that way as long as the Sultan and the King wish it, Turk.
By your statment, do the Turks mean to foster war amongst their neighbors so that they may rise from the ashes of others? Jerusalem will move north against it's wayward vassel of Antioch, and the Christian settlements of Aleppo and Edessa, before the Muslims can purge them. Armenia has made no claims on these lands, so I do not forsee any possibility of war between Jerusalem and Armenia within the near future.
Dictating to others what that can and cannot do is a way to start war, Turk, and if you do truely wish for peace in Anatolia, I suggest you remember that next time you speak.
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 05:55
If offering to negotiate terms of peace between the Muslims and the Christian nations is a sign of war, I know not what peace means to you.
Truly the nation of Armenia feels threatened by your provocative actions. But if they have not made that clear to you by now, then I suspect treachery. In either case, one nation is seeking conflict over peace.
We have reason to feel provoked, as there can be no other way to view the situation. Either lies have been spread on behalf of Armenian interests, or you do indeed threaten Armenia. In either case it concerns the Turks.
Whether that means Armenia is conspiring against us, or Jerusalem is, or both, that remains to be seen. But both nations would do well to remember that the Turks desire peace, but will act swiftly in the defense of allies, and even more swiftly to dispatch conspirators.
We can sit here and banter politely or impolitely all day, but if the words are hollow and meaningless then war is approaching. If we actually seek peaceful division of lands, then perhaps we would not feign indignation when one side offers peaceful negotiations.
What are these "provocative actions" you are babbling about, heathen?
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 06:17
If you truly do not know, then Armenia is spreading lies about you. Hopefully I will be able to determine what is going on here before it is too late.
The ambassador's colour changes rapidly to red as he jumps to his feet and delivers a scathing look towards to cowering Armenian representative before calmly, but forcefully, asking the Turk
And just what have they been saying?
A messenger in Ghazni colors runs in, looking as if he'd ridden all night. He whispers something to the Ghazni representative, whose face reflects both shock and anger. The Ghazni representative gets up to address the Court.
It appears that the Seljuks finally show their true colors. Without cause or even warning, they have attacked and destroyed a Georgian army and laid siege to a Georgian castle. Not content with their already ample lands, they seek to take those of others.
The Sultanate of Ghazni officially declares war on the Seljuks. Any who seek to aid the aggressors in this matter also risks war. I call upon the Council and the Caliph to show their desire for peace in these lands by opposing the Seljuks.
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 06:37
The Turk calmly addresses the honourable delegate from Jerusalem and speaks the truth:
They claim you mean to invade them from the east, and then you have designs on the lands held by the Turks. I think they suggest you are in league with the Romans.
I tire of all this doubletalk. Let us speak plainly, and perhaps we can expose whomever it is who is sowing seeds of mistrust here.
For if Armenia seeks to play the Turkish ambassadors like puppets, they will find us most uncooperative when their borders are filled with invaders.
Still red in the face, the ambassador waves off the Ghazni representative
Jerusalem will not join the war against the Seljuks. We fear war on our northern borders looms between our neighbors, so we keep our armies close to the Kingdom.
Turning back to the Turkish delegate
We have no desire to attack the your Sultanate, nor control any lands in Anatolia. The honour of this kingdom is behind that statement.
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 06:41
This news from the Ghazni representative is old news to us, the Rum Turks.
We have known about the attack on Georgia from the beginning. But as we've said repeatedly, from the beginning, the Seljuk is not to be trusted. After they claim Georgia they undoubtedly have designs on their former brethren, the Rum Turks.
Unfortunately with the crises between us and the Romans, we cannot assist. And since someone is stirring up trouble between myself, the Armenians, and Jerusalem, I cannot turn my backs on them either.
I am paralyzed by the misdeeds and shady dealings of rogue states around me. Are there left any honourable allies?
Crises between yourself and the Romans? What crises is this?
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 06:48
I do not accuse you of false incredulousness, but almost all public and private diplomatic contact between ourselves and the Romans has been hostile.
I fear there is nothing I can do to prevent these aggressors from seeking more lands in Anatolia, and placing their vast armies on our border. This is old news as well, honourable delegate from Jerusalem.
I cannot restate any more clearly the Armenian allegations against you, perhaps now it is warranted that you ask them yourself? They claim you seek to invade them, and then us, and that is why you march all your armies forward.
Maybe I am just being paranoid, but Georgia was caught off guard by the Seljuk when marching their armies towards our border. Rome has sent armies to gobble up all the territories on our border. Armenia claims Jerusalem and Georgia and Rome all desire Turkish lands. And now Jerusalem claims that they have their massive armies near Armenian lands for... humanitarian reasons?
When the Seljuk arrive to crush the Rum Turks, I may welcome death, for my existence seems doomed to be surrounded by traitors and conspirators and belligerents.
Do as you will Jerusalem. You will hear no more from us on this matter, as I grow weary of discussing events which have yet to happen.
Before you retire for the evening, I suggest you consult a map. Tell me, where are Antioch and Aleppo located in regards to the Kingdoms of Jerusalem and Armenia?
Askthepizzaguy
03-10-2008, 06:56
They are BOTH on Armenia's border, and you know this. Antioch and Aleppo border Sia and Adana.
When the vast might of Jerusalem's army has managed it's 'goal' of taking these provinces, how tempting might it be to march one province to the west... you suggest Armenia has no cause for alarm, nor the Turks?
Very well. I have to take you at your word.
Then every nation that borders another should be fearful. Should I fear Armenia, the Ayyubids, the Turks and the Abassids simply because we share borders? Living in fear will get you nowhere.
Marching one province to the west would mean crossing the mountains in Anatolia, something which we pledged not to do.
Changing the subject, we would wish to hear the Caliph's response to the Seljuks unwarrented attack on Georgia. His words will carry great weight in the forthcoming war. What does he say on this matter?
barcamartin
03-10-2008, 08:28
A man wearing a blue cape decorated with the white bow and arrow over his armour enters the room.
' The Sultan sent me here to defend his decision to invade our neighbours, the Georgians. A large army of Georgian warriors, mostly cavalry, was found close to our borders. This was clearly a threat to Seljuk territory and we needed to act. You may see us as the aggressors, but in truth it was the Georgians that forced us to this. A large army on our borders can have no peaceful intentions, so the Georgians should by no means by seen as the victims in this conflict. That said, the great Sultan is not forgiving, and the Georgians can not be forgiven lightly for this act of war mongering. '
He then turns towards the Caliph.
' Mighty Caliph, defender of all that is holy in this world, on behalf of the Sultan I ask you to stay out of this. We Seljuks are acting in defence of our lands, and our faith. If Allah is willing, we shall have the strength to fight off these heathens. I hope you will not let the heretical talk of the Ayyubids cloud your mind. They are in no position to judge us. I have heard that you are a wise man, Caliph. If so, let you wisdom lead your path. '
Now bowing before the Caliph, he adds:
' I also wish to inform you that I, Teghrul, will be the permanent ambassador of our great nation in this council. I regret some of the words spoken by the former Seljuk representative here, but I hope to make amends for it. As for the Ghazni, if your decision to declare war on us is based on what the former emissary here said, you should know that those were his oppinions, and not those of the Sultan. After he got word of what he spoke here, he took appropriate measures. '
He walks over to the chair left empty by his predecessor, and sits.
phonicsmonkey
03-10-2008, 12:20
The Vizier rises as if to speak, but as he opens his mouth a gauntleted hand is clapped on his shoulder and the Caliph himself rises, glowering at the Seljuk emissary.
In a voice like thunder, he speaks.
Cower on your stomach you Seljuk dog lest the righteous anger of the Prophet himself descend upon your worthless hide!
Your master the Sultan must be a fool indeed to think that these feeble excuses and flimsy pretexts can disguise his naked ambition for territory!
By this odious act of aggression your Sultan has cast aside any pretense of peacefulness, and with these weasel words he has sent with you, his vessel, he has insulted those who might have been his friends.
Let all who attend this chamber bear witness to the rage of the mighty Caliph An-Nasir, Defender of the Faith.
But let them also testify of his pragmatism and reason in the face of heinous provocation.
This war should go no further - let the Seljuks and the Georgians join the Caliph in private and speak openly of their ambitions in the region, that they may come to some agreement that will avoid further bloodshed.
And let the Ghaznavids stay their blades for now, and not pour oil on the flames.
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 15:10
The Maharaja would make it known that he condemns the Seljuk attacks on the Kingdom of Georgia. You say that an army of Georgia was near your border, but the question must be asked, so what? Near your border is not across it, and to attack them you crossed their own border.
It is clear who is the aggressor here, even if one were willing to set aside the history of the Seljuk people. The Maharaja wishes his friends from Ghazni great success in their offensive! At least if the mighty Caliph cannot bring about peace, which remains to be seen, then a people who have shown a willingness to accept peace can turn back the Seljuk threat.
:egypt:
The shahdom of Khwarezm would like proof that a georgan army was across the seljuk's border before the shah passes judgement so rashly on the Sultans actions....
Though, he does wish that terms of peace can be agreed upon quickly, so no further blood is shed in this matter.
OOC: this may be a good time to open up that story/AAR/battle report threat, I know if I was georga, I'd wanna know how and where my army was beat.
The Lemongate
03-10-2008, 17:34
A Roman envoy enters the court. By the looks of him he just got off his horse.
Following the glorious victory of the most Christian Kingdom of Georgia over the blasphemous infidels that would threaten her peace, Basileos Manuel Megas Komnenos has ordered for a punitive strike to be led against the warmongering Seljuks. Though the Empire's forces stretch thin to protect our borders from our own turkish neighbor, a field army will be assembled in Trapezon and sent east. May all who welcome peace with Rome let our forces pass and carry on with their mission.
Having delivered his message the Roman exits the court. The seat of the Roman ambassador remains empty.
barcamartin
03-10-2008, 17:44
' I am greatly saddened by this turn of events, and as such, I cannot linger here. I am disappointed that the so-called wise leaders of nations in this region can't see two sides of a coin, but must blindly choose a side, without understanding the massive threat that the large Georgian host posed. Even if it was on Georgian soil at the time, it could have killed many honourable Seljuks if we hadn't acted. That said, talks of peace might be entered, if the Georgians show a will for it. We are not unreasonable, and we would greatly appreciate the Caliph to join the negotiations of a cease-fire between us and the Georgians. I feel no need or will to stay here and listen to the loathing that you all express towards me and the Sultan. Farewell, for the time being. '
Banzai Kamikaze
03-10-2008, 21:29
A Nubian slave helps the heavy Ayyubid ambassador to rise off his inappropriately small chair
The Seljuk emissary had a point this council should not dismiss: why were the Christians of Georgia massing an army near the Seljuk border ? And why is the Sultanate of Ghazni so quick to declare war on its Muslim brothers ?
May the prophet forgive our sins ! May Allah prevent this senseless bloodshed !
Salah al-Din and his honorable council believe the Sultanate of Ghazni should not involve itself in what could simply be a misunderstanding between the Seljuks and the Christians. He is concerned with the cooperation between the Christians of Georgia and the Muslims of Ghazni.
The Ayyubids would like the honorable Caliph, may Allah bless his children, to listen to the peace talk proposal of the Seljuk emissary. I will personally try to convince the Seljuk emissary to return to this council, so that peace may be possible.
the Khwarezm ambassador stands, bowing to the Ayyubid ambassador
Indeed, I would like to hear both sides of the argument before passing judgement, surely one of the nations involved had a map of where the army was!
Scouts reports concerning its composition and the depth of which it could strike into seljuk lands would also help us decide who is in the wrong here, as would knowning the position of any rebellious settlements.
Whose fault this is aside, the shah would call again for peace in the region, and as he considers himself a trading partner of both (and therefore neutral), he would volunteer to oversee the peace talks should the Calph be unable to do so.
OOC: this would make a good 2 sided AAR, plots, trechery or big misunderstanding?, and maybe a conspiracy thoery involving Ghanzi.... preferably screenshots of where the army was..... I wonder if barcamartin and the flax have took the hint yet....
The Ghazni emmisary stands, briefly glaring at the one from the Ayyubids.
I thank the Maharaj for his kind words. It seems likely that he is the only to remember some other words said by myillustrious counterpart from Georgia just a season ago.
In order to maintain our sovereignty we have entered in a defensive pact with the Ghaznavid Sultanate. The Great Seljuks should be warned that an attack against either of our country will amount to a declaration of war with both countries.
The unprovoked Seljuk attack on Georgia is, as the treaty says, to be treated as a declaration of war on the Sultanate of Ghazni. We are not a nation that would abandon it's obligations, nor its allies to voracious wolves like the Seljuks. If the Seljuk Sultan negotiates a peace that Georgia accetps then we will respect the wishes of our ally. Otherwise there will be war.
barcamartin
03-10-2008, 22:48
Teghrul, the latest Seljuk emissary to leave the council, returns through the doors followed by a man in Ayyubid colours. He walks straight to the Ayyubid ambassador seated in the council to hear what has been spoken of during his absence. Turning away from the Ayyubid, and towards the others in the council, he clears his throat.
' I apologise for my rash decision to leave this court, as it is my place in this world to attend it. I also thank the Ayyubid for his patience and the fact that he sent one of his men to bring me back. He atleast is willing to listen to both sides of the case. He also informed me briefly of what was said here during my absence, and it warms to see that also the Shah of the Khawazi has showed wisdom and understanding, may Allah be with him. Here my kind words end. '
He glares at the Ghazni representative, and sighs.
' You, man of the mountains, speak of an "unprovoked attack" as a justifaction for your war-mongering Sultan to declare war upon us. The fact is that there has been no such thing and although our attack might have been a bit rash it was no where near unprovoked. We did what we thought was best for the safety and well being of our people at that time, and ridding our border lands of a large army whose leaders have spoken of nothing but hostility towards us seemed like the right thing to do. I agree that threatening the city of Telavi might have been going to far, and we are therefor open to peace negotiations, but only if the unfriendly attitude here in this council changes. Lastly, I will now stay in this council and answer to everything regarding the war. '
Turning his back to the Ghazni, he moves his head in a barely noticeable nod towards the Caliph and then moves his chair back into the light, near the Ayyubid delegation. Sitting comfortably, he crosses his arms over his chest and closes his eyes.
The Georgian ambassador returns after a brief absence.
Greetings lords. It has been brought to our attention that the Seljuk claim we were massing troops at their borders and preparing for an attack. I would ask you all to think for an instance about this claim. Why would we, with aple unclaimed land around us, seek to attack a powerfull opponent such as the Seljuk? The fact is, our army was heading north into the steppe and was located in a pass north of Telavi.
Now, unless overnight the territories to the north of Georgia have become Seljuk possessions we cannot be accused of massing an army at their borders, since our army was moving away from known Seljuk territories. I would ask also of you noble lords to consider this. The Seljuk had an army ready to intercept our army and besieging Telavi, such a fast response could not have come from the heart of Seljuk territories, thus they were doing exactly what they accuse us of doing.
For the sake of peace, Georgia will overlook Seljuk hypocrisy and the cowardice which they demonstrated by using a sneak attack. Indeed, the Seljuk never contacted us once on this matter, never asked to remove our armies from their borders. Maybe because our army was not at their borders, or maybe it was just a convinient excuse. Either way, their attack has failed and we are ready for peace if for once they could be true to their words.
With these last words, the Georgian ambassador bows to the assembled council and takes back the seat he had left no so long ago.
barcamartin
03-10-2008, 23:06
A man enters the room and walks forth to the Seljuk, giving him some papers.
' Bah ! Georgian scum, I can't sit here and tolerate your lies. This man brought me a map were the position of the army that was the cause of this conflict is shown. From what I can see, it is no where near a "pass NORTH of Telavi". Your words seem constructed afterwards to load the blame on us and conceal your true plans. Obviously, we can't prove that attacking us was your intent, but lying in the council seems suspicious enough. And by the way, our army was garrisoning the border city of Ganja. '
https://img390.imageshack.us/img390/199/bevis1nk4.png (https://imageshack.us)
Greetings lords. It has been brought to our attention that the Seljuk claim we were massing troops at their borders and preparing for an attack. I would ask you all to think for an instance about this claim. Why would we, with aple unclaimed land around us, seek to attack a powerfull opponent such as the Seljuk? The fact is, our army was heading north into the steppe and was located in a pass north of Telavi.
Ramses II CP
03-10-2008, 23:16
Word has not yet come from the Maharaja, but as a man with eyes I feel free to comment on the fact that the road on which that army is camped does in fact lead directly to a pass north of Telavi, which I took as the Georgian's meaning. Indeed, what this map makes clear is that this army is quite distant from the Seljuk border, and encamped in clear view, as one would hardly expect of an invasion force.
You do not appear to have aided your case, emissary of the Seljuks.
:egypt:
All we see are scribblings that do not take into account the larger picture. We had foreseen this and so we brought maps of our own. First all, in good faith we will concède one point. Since our army's destination was the pass north of Telavi, I though it had been attacked there, apparently I spoke too hastily and apologize for it to my Seljuk counterpart. Our army was in fact attacked and destroyed exactly were it is shown on their map.
Yet a closer look at the movements of our army will better reveal its intention. Also, I hope you will notice noble lords that when these orders were given Ganja wasn't under Seljuk control!
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/The_Flax/Map1.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/The_Flax/map2.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/The_Flax/Map3.jpg
Banzai Kamikaze
03-11-2008, 00:55
Mocking the childish bickering in front of him, the Ayyubid ambassador stands, again helped by three nubian slaves.
Drawings... Drawings ! Will the fate of thousands of good men and women be decided by these drawings ? What a mockery !
We say enough, enough with this dispute.
The Seljuks have made clear their intention to resolve this misunderstanding with peace. Their new emissary holds much less aggressive comments than his predecessor, and we believe Allah will forgive the Seljuks for their past comments about slaughtering other Muslims.
May Allah plant the seeds of peace in your kingdoms. May the Caliph continue to promote peace. Praise be to the children of Allah !
deguerra
03-11-2008, 02:03
The Ayyubid Emissary speaks with the wisdom that is the trademark of his master. The Imam Sultan agrees wholeheartedly. Blood has been spilled, but God will be forgiving if we stop this slaughter.
phonicsmonkey
03-11-2008, 02:29
The Caliph is absent from the chamber. The Vizier rises.
This Court welcomes the support of the Ayyubid and Omani delegates in the search for a peaceful outcome.
If I know the Caliph's mind he would be most displeased at the opportunism of the Romans in sending an army to intervene in a dispute so far from their territory.
Like the Ghaznavids, let the Romans wait longer in camp before deciding there is no chance for peace in this dispute and eagerly launching their forces into the fray.
As the Vizier sits he claps his hands and the Ayyubid ambassador is presented with a large embroidered cushion which is placed precariously atop his disproportionately small chair.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2008, 03:25
In keeping with my Sultan's commitment to peace, we have offered the Romans a sizeable pact filled with terms of peace. It is most fair, in the Sultan's opinion, and if the Roman were to disagree on that judgment, the Sultan has left all the terms of the treaty open for discussion, debate, and reason. Indeed, all the terms are negotiable.
The Romans who most threaten the Turks, who claim all the lands on our borders, we have offered them peace.
If this is so, then why can there not be peace between the Georgian and the Seljuk? Truly we value our Georgian neighbors as trade partners, and we value the lives of our Muslim brothers even more so.
Since I am not an involved party, I cannot offer terms. I would merely suggest that the Georgian expand his territories north and to the west, while the Seljuk spread his armies into rebel lands, and respect the territorial claims of other nations. For the lives lost in this struggle, reparations would seem to be in order as well.
Due to the misunderstanding, such reparations should be light. Perhaps a bulk sum of 1500, or 4 payments of 500, whichever the Seljuk prefers.
In the scheme of things, the lives of the men lost should be worth more than that, but as your friends and as a student of history, I know that excessive reparations will only lead to resentment and hostility. These reparations are not to be taken as payment for lives, but symbolic of peaceful intentions and goodwill only.
I do not wish to insult either side with this humble suggestion. If such advice is unwanted, please consult my ambassador privately and I will refrain from making such comments in the future.
The Lemongate
03-11-2008, 03:56
The Roman delegation's empty seat stares angrily at anyone who insults the magnificence of Rome. Most courtiers nearby feel they need to take their distances for fear of being bitten...
OOC: Just a friendly reminder that no Romans are actually here, they just send envoys and messangers from time to time. The Roman ambassador can however be contacted in his estate in an upscale neighborhood of Baghdad reserved for visiting dignitaries.
phonicsmonkey
03-11-2008, 04:07
OOC: the Caliph assumes that the Romans will be monitoring events at Court even if they are not represented in person - let me know if that's not the case and I'll make sure to pm you when I need you to hear something I also say in public
phonicsmonkey
03-12-2008, 04:05
The Caliph has returned to Court - he instructs the Vizier, who stands and announces:
All hail the mighty Caliph of Baghdad who has defeated the rebellious curs of Ahvaz and brought that place back into the loving embrace of the Caliphate!
The victors of Ahvaz now march on Shiraz with the intention of capturing that town for the Caliph.
In the north the castle at Mosul is under siege by the armies of the Caliphate who will assault and take it next season. That army will then march on Mardin, Inshallah to restore our rule over those lands.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2008, 04:18
The Sultan of the Rum Turks would like to stake a claim to Malatya and Diyarbakir, up to the point equidistant of the borders between the Rum Turks and the Caliph's mighty armies.
Diyarbakir, however, is much open for negotiation if the Caliph so desires.
I propose a border establishment between myself and the Caliph at these provinces, and would consider ceding claims to territories north or south to any who negotiate with us in good faith.
:bow:
If these proposals are unacceptable, please contact the Sultan directly, that he might barter with your emissaries.
We also wish to celebrate the Caliph's great victories over the rebels at Ahvaz, who insulted the Caliph with their independence. Let the Council know that the Sultan approves and applauds the actions of the Caliph in bringing law and enlightenment to these backward people.
Late as you were to arrive at the council, Turk, we would remind you of Jerusalem's desire to reclaim the city of Edessa for Christendom. As Edessa borders the region you are concerned with, it is only fair that we give warning of this impending conquest. If you object to this, take it up with the Caliph, as he has already graciously accepted the proposal.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2008, 08:21
No thats perfectly acceptable. You did rightly claim it first.
The georgian emissary rises, scroll in hand.
Georgia would like to announce to all that we have reached a peaceful understanding with the Seljuks and that there will be no further bloodshed on this matter.
We would like to praise the Seljuk for their peaceful ouvertures, although they had a certain advantage on us they were fully open to peaceful talk. Since our exchange with the Seljuks, we are now convinced that this whole conflict started on a misunderstanding. We recognize that in their point of view, our army might have constituted a threat, even though we never intented an attack on the Seljuks. Both sides have made mistakes and acted rashly at some point or another. Finding the faulty party in this conflict is counterproductive to the peace effort and so we have both accepted the other party's position and the misunderstanding of this position.
We would also, both of us, praise the Caliph for his effort in finding a peaceful resolution to the conflict opposing the Seljuks and us. The fairness and understanding the Caliph has demonstrated should be an example to us all.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2008, 18:15
Praise be to the Georgian ambassador for negotiating a peace settlement! Allah's infinite mercy and forgiveness will redeem us all our sins, for he smiles upon peace.
I look forward to continuing trade and negotiations with our friends and neighbors the Georgians. I hope that very shortly the Romans will respond to our peace deal as well, and we can all focus on trade and strengthening our economies at home. We have hungry people who would rather have peace than be dragged off to war anyway.
As per our ally Georgia's wishes, we retract our declaration of war against the Seljuks. However, Shah Khusrau does not believe the Seljuk invasion resulted from a misunderstanding, unless that misunderstanding wa the extent to which his other neighbors would react to such naked aggression. We would advise the SUltan to think twice before starting another such war.
barcamartin
03-12-2008, 20:21
Rising from his seat next to the Ayyubids, the Seljuk emissary addresses the Georgian.
' I am glad to hear that you and your people have shown an understanding far beyond that of other nations represented here in the council. Even though it was your people that suffered from this misunderstanding you have been open to peace talks. I regret that not all men of this world share the Georgian wisdom and sense of justice. Who are you, Ghazni, to speak of matters which you know very little of ? "Naked aggression" you say ?! We have admitted that our attack was wrong doing on our behalf, but we have asked for and recieved the Georgians forgiveness. That leaves you in no position to further judge us, since this conflict hardly concerns you in the first place. Lastly, I too should thank the Caliph for opening the negotiations and enabling this peace treaty. May Allah be with him. '
Bowing to the Caliph, and nodding at the Georgian, he takes his seat.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2008, 20:30
OOC-
Perhaps an amusing diversion is needed after the recent hostilities:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=100487
phonicsmonkey
03-12-2008, 23:14
A gong is sounded and a troupe of slaves enters the chamber bearing dishes overflowing with delicious foodstuffs from the Palace kitchens.
The Vizier stands.
Let all present join the Caliph in rejoicing at the peace treaty signed between Georgia and the Seljuks!
Eat and be merry my brothers for the needless war is at an end!
The Caliph praises the King of Georgia and the Sultan of the Seljuks for their wisdom in putting aside petty rivalries and pride and finding a solution to their dispute.
All hail the King of Georgia!
All hail the Sultan of the Seljuks!
And all hail Caliph An-Nasir the Peacemaker!
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2008, 23:22
The Turkish Ambassador slurs his words while attempting unsuccessfully to stand:
"...And all hail the Romans for supplying the celebratory booze... did you hear what happened to the Sultan last night? That was freakin hilarious..."
Just then the Caliph claps his hands and armed guards advance towards the Turkish emissary. They draw their swords and impale him through the stomach. Then the poor drunk is dragged from the Council floor never to be seen again. Another Turkish emissary is promptly dispatched. This time with a promise to respect the Islamic custom of abstaining from alcohol.
Banzai Kamikaze
03-13-2008, 00:15
The Ayyubid ambassador glares uneasingly at the dying Turkish ambassador. He looks horrified and is about to stand up when his attention is diverted towards a fruit cake larger than him, presented by twelve of the Caliph's slaves. The ambassador drools over this admirable work of art and forgets about the terrible scene unfolding nearby.
The shahdoms ambassador has been staring at a christian emassary for the past 5 minutes with a look of utter disgust on his face, closer inspection of the man he's looking at shows he's got a large chunk of lamb clinging to his beard, which has been rising and falling with every breath
"eugh, Europe really must be a barbaric place".... he anounces to his aid, "hey where'd that cake come from?" he ponders...
Askthepizzaguy
03-13-2008, 02:26
ooc- Gah! I grow tired of waiting for my turn... I think I'm going to crank up a single player Broken Crescent campaign and attempt to blitz all over the map on VeryHard/VeryHard.
Meanwhile, the new Turkish delegate sits and enjoys a fine meal prepared by the Caliph, though the man is clearly uneasy as the seat has not been cleared of the mess left by the previous delegate.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2008, 13:04
OOC- The Sultan's turn has finally arrived. Still no war in Anatolia... good.
I am however growing distressed that the Romans still have yet to respond to our offers of peace, and are massing thier armies on our borders. My sword is most restful in it's scabbard, and I would not wish to draw it so quickly. If the terms of my treaty were unacceptable, I am willing to hear a counter-offer.
By the way, those who distrust the Sultan because of his reputation as blitzmaster should not... I have recently started a single player campaign to satisfy my bloodlust.
I destroyed all of the Eastern Roman Empire (I didn't forget about Trebizonid) and lay seige to their capital with two full stacks of gold and silver chevron units in 8 short turns. Yes, even destroyed their spawned armies of doom. With a single stack. All that remains is their little pathetic island territory, and that's only because I don't have any boats yet. I was listening to Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody during the senseless carnage. I consider myself an artist of death.
If anyone is interested in the AAR, please let me know. Not convinced of the excitement?
I destroyed Armenia as well.
:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :viking: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2008, 15:50
Sneak peak of the AAR
Apologies for the off-topic. Back to topic.
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/Turk0024.jpg
I conquer not just with my armies, but my merchants. This one makes more than your better cities do.
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/Turk0028.jpg
Defend yourself with large garrisons all you want. They ALL crumble before my might.
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/Turk0030.jpg
And don't you dare tell me that light cavalry cannot capture cities.
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/Turk0002a.jpg
Die, you Roman dogs... Notice the date. Yes, it's accurate.
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/Turk0001a.jpg
Armenia is next to fall... the only reason I didn't conquer them sooner was because I decided to retrain my vast armies in castles along the way. That takes time. If I went all-out on the blitz, I would just send replacements for my lost units rather than retrain them. But you dont get fancy gold chevy units that way.
PS- Thanks be to the Romans who responded to our diplomat, if not our offer.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2008, 03:26
The new Turkish Ambassador rises to speak in calm, even tones:
The Sultan of Rum would like to politely remind all parties that threats of aggression against our neighbors and peaceful trade partners will not be tolerated. We have made a committment to peace and will challenge any empire or empires conspiring to destroy smaller states.
I warn the provocateurs not to invade the sovereign territories of Rum or Armenia.
I am awaiting confirmation from Armenia that they have been attacked. I pray that this is not so, in the name of peace. For now, I accuse no party.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2008, 05:30
The Rum delegate issues a proclamation:
To all the honourable delegates of the council:
Jerusalem has sworn that they are not engaged in, nor about to engage in acts of aggression. Therefore, I wish to state publicly that the position of the Sultan of Rum is that they are our friends and neighbors, and will continue to aid them if they come under attack from any power.
I just wish to clarify that the Sultan has no hostile intentions, nor wishes any hostilities from our allies, towards Jerusalem so long as they remain neutral towards our friend, Armenia. Peace be to all who respect Armenian territory.
I would offer our public apology towards Jerusalem for any misunderstanding on this matter, and to the council if my words have been ambiguous. We also unilaterally condemn any aggression towards them so long as they are our friends. I hope to resolve this crisis diplomatically, before there is bloodshed.
There remains no peace treaty with Rome, but they have offered one. We shall see if it is genuine when their diplomat makes contact with the Sultan. To all nations who have offered aid or are planning to offer aid, we will honour our pledge to repay you, no matter what the status of Rome or Jerusalem is.
The representative from Jerusalem stands up and glares at the Turkish delegate
We have sworn nothing yet. But that does not mean that a peaceful solution is not in sight.
In that regard, we have reiterated our pledge that we shall not attack the Turkish Sultanate. We have shown no aggression nor made any threats towards them. Nor have we attacked Armenia.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2008, 05:58
I will then reiterate that an attack on Armenia, at this time, is the same as an attack on the Sultan. It would be a clear act of aggression, and we will not tolerate aggressors, be they Roman, Jerusalem, or Armenian. I have reminded Armenia that my pledge to defend him is not valid should he wage an aggressive war against anyone.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2008, 08:15
Edit: retracted
_Tristan_
03-15-2008, 11:16
A mail-clad rider, all grimy with dust, enter the Caliph's chambers in haste.
My Lords, I am an emissary of the King of Armenia.
I am hear to inform you of the treachery of the Roman dogs...
See how their are besieging one of our cities and have even gone as far as building some military fortifications to prevent us from moving freely on our own land...
https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/badlieutenant_bucket/medieval22008-03-1510-51-41-17.jpg
We ask the assistance of the assemble Lords in resolving this conflict. We have asked the Romans to compensate us with 2000 gold for their agression.
We do not think our demands will be met.
Moreover, we would like to warn the King of Jerusalem to stay out of the conflict unless he comes to our aid. His masing of a large army right on our border does not calm our fears that the conflict might escalate in full-fledged war.
https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/badlieutenant_bucket/medieval22008-03-1510-53-11-46.jpg
What have done to deserve such hatred ? (OOC : I'm hearing Skunk Anansie on this...)
With this the messenger falls to his knees out of sheer exhaustion.
We have not yet decided on our next course of action.
All will be made clear soon, which ever way we sway.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2008, 14:16
Edit: Rum declares war on Rome.
phonicsmonkey
03-16-2008, 02:05
The Vizier stands, a sombre expression on his face.
The Caliph is much pained at the news that the noble Armenians, who sought only to offer peace and prosperity to their own people, have been needlessly attacked by the Romans.
Let the Romans stay their blades and be not aggressive towards the peoples of Anatolia.
His expression hardens as he catches the eye of the Turkish emissary.
Although it is clear that the Romans are the first movers in this war, the Caliph is not inclined to favour those who use the wars of others as a pretext for their own aggression.
Let the Turks reconsider their hasty declaration of war against the Romans, and follow the example of their cousins the Seljuks, who came to an arrangement with their Georgian neighbours.
Indeed it would seem the Armenians have no trouble defending themselves, and hardly need the assistance of the Sultanate.
On another topic, the Caliph is pleased to announce that the rebellious dogs of Mosul have been brought back into the loving embrace of the Caliphate - the Caliph's armies now hope to persuade the residents of Mardin to accept his rule with equanimity.
Askthepizzaguy
03-16-2008, 02:09
Honourable Caliph, I must protest.
It is not "aggression" to defend an ally who has been attacked. Those who declare wars without any pretext at all, valid or otherwise, only to be slapped down like mewling infants, are the true aggressors here.
Should the Mongolians storm through this land, and we were to ally together to stop them, would that be considered "aggressive" or defensive?
Ramses II CP
03-16-2008, 03:37
The Maharaja wishes to make a public appeal for peace between all men. Surely though, if what we have seen is true, there can be no question of which nation was the aggressor, and thus which nation's actions should be decried. The matter is far from my lands, and quite beyond my control, but I urge the men of this Council to make their disapproval of any unprovoked attack known!
The emissary of the Rajputs returns to his seat with a pained look upon his face.
:egypt:
phonicsmonkey
03-16-2008, 08:01
The Caliph himself rises
We shall soon see from the actions of the Turkish Sultan whether he will simply act in defense of his neighbour and ally, or whether he will use this attack on Armenia by Rome as an excuse to grab land in Anatolia.
For my part I am regretful if my words did not condemn the true aggressor with sufficient force.
The Romans have plenty of land to take from the barbarians to their north without needing to wage unprovoked war on the civilized people of Armenia.
Let Rome learn from the folly of her ancestors, who found their capital sacked and in flames more than once as a result of their greedy and acquisitive natures.
Askthepizzaguy
03-16-2008, 08:14
Honourable Caliph:
The Turks regret that we had to disagree with you on that one minor point. Rest assured, you will forever have the loyalty and servitude of the mighty Turks.
I also wish to assure you and the international community; Rome has brought this war upon herself. They were warned repeatedly, and we also warned all before the council that Armenia is our ally. They chose to disregard the sovereignty of other nations and they chose to defy the will of their neighbors, and of the council, and of the Caliph himself.
Should they IMMEDIATELY and unequivocably retreat from this attack, and press the council, myself, and my allies for a full pardon, they will have to pay reparations and cede territory such that Armenia has a buffering province between herself and the Romans, so that this outrage will not be repeated.
I am a man committed to peace, but I am no fool and I am no coward. I will not back down to the imperialist aggressor and I will make them pay for what they have done by personally destroying their invasion stacks. They would do well to disband their attacking force and go home in disgrace, that their family line will not be interrupted.
I must at this time offer a peace deal, in spite of the fact that I fully intend to commit to this war if the Romans do not comply.
They must accept the following conditions:
1. They must cede their nearest province to Armenia, to enhance Armenia's border and security.
2. They must cede Trebizonid and Sinope to the Sultan, that these provinces may not be a party to an attack on us. Romans had previously agreed to cede us these provinces that we might have peace and a defensible border between us. Now it is a necessary step.
3. They must demilitarize their bordering states with us. None more than a quarter stack garrison will be permitted. This was also a condition of our peace talks.
4. Reparations must be paid to Armenia as they demanded. 2000 florins to be repaid immediately, or in installments of not less than 500 per turn until the debt is repaid.
5. They will submit to international inspection to confirm their demilitarization and their territorial obligations. I will post proof that they have stood down and ceded the necessary provinces to preserve the peace.
6. If they do all of this, I will also accept a demilitarization agreement. However, Because my main recruitment center is near their border, and it is a necessary defender of my capital, it will be exempted from the demilitarization. I give my word before the entire council that this province will not be used to create an invasion force, as I do not wish and have never sought war with my neighbors. My word is my bond, and I will honour it. Wars of aggression are not the policy of this Sultan. Therefore it is in the Roman's best interests not to try any assassinations, otherwise that policy will change.
The Turkish delegate's eyes are filled with fire. They convey only a miniscule fraction of the Sultan's own wrath towards the Roman instigators.
Askthepizzaguy
03-16-2008, 08:47
The Turkish delegate has a council-wide announcement:
The Sultan has made this offer to all nations concerned with peace, be they Muslim, Orthodox, Catholic, Pagan, or Hindu.
Our diplomat is approaching Baghdad. We require war bonds to persue the defensive war against the aggressors in Anatolia. Any nation who wishes to profit from the triumph of liberty over Imperialism, and to profit off of the unbreakable word of the Sultan himself, is offered to be repaid TRIPLE whatever funds they allocate to our cause, to be repaid in the order of highest contribution.
Your support in this matter will forever be a sign of friendship between yourselves and the Sultan, and you will much profit from our triumph! Be generous with your loans, and the Sultan will remember, and come to your aid whenever the cause is just.
Remember that in all of history, empires built upon blood and aggression, and mass enslavement of the people have always fallen. The people will never submit to their rule, and honourable nations have always triumphed over evil, in the short or the long term.
Most of the nations I have engaged in private dealings with have agreed to meet my diplomat at Baghdad. Every single one of you will profit from this. Bring your emissaries to Baghdad, and we will ALL profit from one another.
I may consider offering you each a gift of florins merely from attending this conference of diplomats. I plan to establish a permanent embassy here. The triumph against Roman aggression is only the beginning! When the great armies of the east descend upon us, my military and florin assistance will greatly benefit us all. The more who contribute to our combined cause, the easier it will be to defend against the rumoured vast armies who are currently crushing the distant Chin peoples.
Should any nation here become a superpower, and threaten all other nations, this embassy will provide all smaller nations a way to combat such a threat. Join the Sultan of Rum in his great undertakings, and the skilled leadership and sharp diplomacy of all will forever triumph against Imperialism!
the Khwarezm ambassador rises from his seat
Gentlemen, I would have the issue raised of why the turks propose such harsh peace terms, even though it was not they who were attacked, indeed, they stand to gain more from peace than the kingdom of armenia who was attacked in the first place!
I find the 6th term especally interesting, it would, to all intents and purposes deem the Romani as little more than vassals of rum.
Surely the only militarily appropriate stance from a nation which speaks so highly of peace would be to send military aid into cillatia, and not move the conflict into other area's as well.
*turning to face Rums ambassador he continues*
I ask this not to offend you, or your people, but we are especally suspicious of your use of the term "great armies of the east".. and your knowledge of empire's to the north of ourselves... are we to suppose that the sultanate of rum and its vassalships are the only one's capable of checking kara-khathi or mongol aggression?
*addressing the chamber as a whole once more*
We wish to hear why the romans attacked the Armenian's in the first place, before favouring either side, and would urge all nations do this before sending money or troops to either side in what is a very muddled situation
Askthepizzaguy
03-16-2008, 11:31
I have responded to the Khwarezm ambassador privately, as he is discussing our defensive military strategy openly and this is not advisable.
As for why the Romans have attacked, their silence on the matter should make it obvious. They are a warlike race, with a long history of attacking neutral parties. They did not even choose an honourable target, the Rum. They decided to pick on the weaker state, Armenia, and supposed that they could bully us into accepting their belligerent claims.
I bear no ill will towards those who wish to remain neutral, but if the situation were reversed, wouldn't you want our assistance?
Allow me to make it especially clear, when we refer to the great armies of the East, we mean the Mongols. The Khwarezmids are our friends, and you would be the ones who would benefit the most from our proposed military aid. I am admittedly and understandably surprised that you don't want even monetary aid. I'd leap at any free money sent my way.
Anything that strengthens Khwarezm strengthens us all against the Mongols. If you do not wish Rum assistance then we politely withdraw such an offer.
Georgia is curious as to why the Turks are taking the center stage in this matter and why they are the one making demands. Armenia has already asked for reperations, but it seems to us that the Turks are only making things worse by imposing terms the Romans will surely refuse. Let Armenia speak for itself, unless it has become a vassal of the Turks. We would also like to be precise in that we do not condemn the military intervention of the Turks for the sake of their ally, but rather why are curious about their attitude and if they truly seek a peaceful cooperation with their neighbors. Their words claim peace, but there recent actions have left us confused in that matter.
_Tristan_
03-16-2008, 19:00
The mail-clad messenger enters the chamber looking somewhat refreshed at the expense of the Caliph, but looking pale and distraught.
My Lords,
I will soon need a new employer as the ruling family of Armenia will soon be dead from the treachery of our Christian neighbours...
As we feared, Jerusalem has attacked us and has one of our castle and our main city under siege...
Do not question the motives of the Sultan of Rum whose intentions towards our little kingdom have been nothing but honourable...
With a long look directed at the Georgian emissary, the Armenian continues, with pleading in his voice...
Why do you all not question the actions of those blasphemous Christians ?
I understand that we are not Muslims and thus do not have any worth in your eyes...
Will no one but the Turks come to our aid ?
Not a single of your so-called civilized kingdoms has yet condemned the callous agression wrought upon us without necessity... We weren't a threat to anybody, we were content to settle the lands that surround our main cities... We have never been war-like...
Once again, I tell you do not seek to question the Turks' actions for they are the only one that find grace in our eyes at this point...
With these last word, the man casts a dejected look upon the assembled lords before sitting down.
The Ghorids would be happy to help, were it possible.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2008, 01:25
Ghorid ambassador, you can help us if you so desire. Although Armenia is crumbling before the might of the invaders, they do not bear us ill will for being unable to stop the invasion, as it all took place before my troops were able to assemble. For now, diplomacy has failed.
I have been much more generous with my terms before the war began. But we have never had a peace treaty with the Romans, as they have absolutely refused. In fact, rather than offer a counter-proposal to us, or even state their case before the council, they remain deathly silent on the issue.
They do not seek the council's approval. Look at the very first post the Roman ambassador has left in this council thread. Nothing but threats and hostilities. The Romans have offered nothing but such hatred of all.
And by the way, when have the Romans come to the aid of their ally Georgia??? When being destroyed by the Seljuk, the Romans send not even a kind word, save a vague promise of troops. I have seen the province they have claimed to raise a defensive army from. It was empty. The army they raised moved in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION in order to claim Sinope, which clearly is within the sphere of influence of the Rum Turks.
Abandoning their allies to invaders for their own personal greed, sending threats to the council, never uttering a word in their own defense. But what else would we expect from the Romans, who have for a thousand years promoted racism, intolerance, military conquest, and executions of the innocent. They exterminate those who reject their rule.
Why would they show any kindness towards the council? They would seek to enslave you all, just as they now enslave good Armenians, their own Christian brothers.
As Armenia has already said, the only true friends these Christians have is their faithful Muslim allies, who even now are still trying to rescue Armenia in a near-futile effort. I would leave it to Tristan to accuse the other nation of attacking him, but since this has happened outside of his turn, he cannot.
As I have no proof, my hands are similarly tied. Armenia's ruling family will die at the hands of heartless military conquerors, with no valid pretext for war. I regret that I could not act in time.
Dear friends in the council, you may react with shock and alarm at my vehement response to the Roman aggressors. I would apologize were I in the wrong here. The only combative force against those who will not respond diplomatically is to use military force, or threats thereof. Not that even this has fazed the Roman aggressors, who still refuse to defend themselves before the council or negotiate in good faith.
I ask you this: Should the Romans triumph in their cause, slaughtering Armenians, then the Rum Turks, would you all band together then to stop this madness? It is easy to be reluctant when these savages are not on your doorstep. But if they were, I would be already gone and unable to help.
Please help us. I am not trying to condemn or make anyone feel guilty for being ambivalent or reluctant. I understand your reactions, I might feel the same way. However, being on the front line against these brutal savages gives me a perspective others may lack. I plan to stop their brutal conquests, beginning with the Armenian aggression, pushing back their Turkish invasion force, and pushing them out of Anatolia entirely.
Should they press for peace, they shall have it. But not before their armies are ready to drop their swords and go home, and then deal with the international outrage for thier crimes, of which there is sadly very little.
Some few among you have pledged their support. That is good enough. Through my words and my actions, I will try to convince the rest of you of my pure intent. Again, I bear none of you any malice for being unable or being reluctant to help. It is not your ally nor your border being attacked, and you have more pressing matters at home.
As for the Ghorids, even a token loan would be most generous. Send us at least 500 florins, and you will receive your 1500 florins by the war's end.
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The Sultan's war debt repayment structure:
1. Parties will offer X amount in war loans.
2. In exchange, the Sultan will offer tribute in installments until the debt is paid off or the war is over and he can repay in one lump sum. No matter how much the debt is.
3. Due to the ability to deficit spend, even if we go bankrupt, you will still get your money so long as this faction remains in existence.
Base interest rates are 200% plus the principal, or 300% repayment total.
Some few will receive an added bonus for being swift with their loans or generous in their sums. They know who they are.
All others interested in bankrolling the Sultan in his defense of Anatolia against the Roman aggressors, send your diplomat to Baghdad, and send an emissary privately to meet with me.
Banzai Kamikaze
03-17-2008, 02:48
Finally rising up to speak
While the Ayyubids do not wish to betray the peace settled between King Baldwn and us, he is concerned about the attacks of Jerusalem and Constantinople against their smaller neighbours.
We wonder what the Armenians did to summon the wrath of their Christian neighbours.
Ramses II CP
03-17-2008, 04:02
Has the Kingdom of Jerusalem actually attacked the nation of Armenia, or are they merely holding their ground nearby?
In any case, we find all of this most disagreeable. When word first reached India of the noble goals of the Crusaders in the far off Levant we felt a certain kinship with that people, fighting to free their ancestral lands from the rising tide of Islam. If those goals have now been perverted into naked aggression the Rajput people will be forced to rethink the reverence they have heretofore had for the men of Jerusalem and their quest.
From what little I know of Roman history, extending their empire at the cost of a lesser power does not seem out of character. Still, it is greatly to be hoped that peace will prevail in the end.
:egypt:
A messenger in Ghazni colors burst in, looking as if he had ridden all night. He whispers something to the Ghazni emmissary, who turns to address the council, grief stricken.
Honored members of this council. I regret to inform you that Shah Khusrau's son, Bahram, has died subduing the rebel city of Herat. That his son died in successfully taking the city provides him little consolation. For the next few days the Ghazni emmisary and other servants of Ghazni will be absent from this court, as they go into mourning.
The Lemongate
03-17-2008, 06:18
The doors of the Court are slammed open as a hulking man bedecked in a greek-style armor makes his way in, followed by a few dozen attendants. At last, the Roman ambassador that had been absent from court has returned.
INFIDELS! LIARS! HYPOCRITES! The slanderous babbling that goes about in this court is an offense to God and to people of good will throughout history! Have you all forgotten the history of the past 200 years? That the Turks who so boldly claim peace have invaded the lands of all nations, fought their brother moslems as well as Rome's subject, that they have invaded and destroyed Armenia and that it is only through imperial mercy that most Armenians found a home under the Basileos' gaze in Cilicia! Cilicia! An imperial province!
We held talks with the Armenians to offer them generous terms in the reconquest of Anatolikon from the Turkish plague. Not only did we recognize their independence, but were ready to split our ancestral holdings with them. But the aggresivity with which they answered left us no choice but to intervene. A Christian problem to be solved by Christians. And behold! The Latins had the same feeling as Rome! They too felt that intervention in Armenia was required. Armenia's unhealthily strong friendship with the Turks only fuels its neighbor's suspicions (glaring at the Armenian diplomat) and I vow that once we are rid of the unholy rash of Turkish occupation in Anatolikon, we will deal most harshly with you Armenian felon!
The Roman then turns around and, hand on the pommel of his sword, marches threateningly on the Turkish emissary; only a glare from the Caliph stops him.
As for you, miserable wretch, we spit on what you call peace offers! Peace for a Turk means relinquishing your lands under fear of reprisal. Peace for a Turk means leaving your cities without guards so they can pillage them at will. Peace for a Turk means vassalage in all but name. Is your memory so dull that you forget that our last comment in this court was to declare war on you and your entire race, dog? And yet we pulled our armies from the frontier, as a show of good faith. And we even considered trading land with you in the future. You say you have sought peace? Then what have you done to obtain it? Threaten us? Deceived us? Demand we hand over our land under threat of violence? Even here in this council you seek to destroy us by amassing funds for your own wars of aggression! Well Rome will fight you even though it costs us every last single life in great Konstantinopolis. If you think you can overcome us easily, you are badly mistaken.
Cooling down and addressing the council.
This council can chose to see this matter as it wishes. The Turks are obvious warmongering liars. Those who chose to see differently are blinding themselves to the truth. As for the Armenians, distant nations should ask themselves why two of Cilicia's neighbors felt threatened enough to commit troops to a conflict so far from their own heartlands. After all, a conquest of Cilicia would be defendable neither for Jerusalem or Rome.
Having finished, the Roman sits down with a sigh. His weary features and grisly expression reveal that he has received dire news from home and that he knows the council is against him. Only his dignity prevents him from breaking down further. He mutters under his breath: Ex nihilo calamitas...
As the delegates and representatives of the various factions begin to look over towards the seat of the representative from Jerusalem, they are surprised to find it, and those around it, empty. None could say for sure when the delegation departed and in what manner they left, due to the present distractions. Nor could any guess the true reasons for the departure - though all had they're own private theories.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2008, 06:55
The Turkish delegate issues a written statement from his residence.
First and foremost, our condolances go out to the Ghazni King for his loss. Our brothers and friends the Ghazni were seeking only to bring law and order to a land cruelly held in the grip of bandits and warlords.
Now, on to the business at hand;
The Romans who would claim territories that they once owned contend that former ownership of territory is the same as being a righteous claim to it.
If that is the case, why do you not renounce your claims to all the lands that the former Roman empire once held, and pack up your bags and go back to Rome where you came from. After all, I am sure the ancient peoples of Iberia, Gaul, Brittania, Germania, Italia, Greece, Thrace, Dacia, Seleucia, and Syria would all love their lands back. In fact I am fairly certain that almost all of these peoples now have sovereign nations to call their own, apart from Roman imperialism. If you claim lands once called your own, then turn west and go reconquer them. By that same token, let the peoples of the lands you once conquered attempt to reclaim them as well.
Now we see the false logic of claiming formerly held territory. All territory is formerly held by someone other than ourselves. It is a fool's argument and it leads us in circles.
The only territory that belongs to you is land whose people freely claim allegiance to your rule. Anything else is but a grandiose and laughable claim.
This new false Rome you call your capital is but a fragment of what was once a supposedly glorious empire. But I digress.
The same logic which fueled the argument against the Seljuk is the same which you ignore. You say you had suspicions and concerns about Armenia, yet did you take these claims before the council and resolve them peacefully, or did you take matters into your own hands and attack Armenia in a coward's fashion, without warning, and with Crusaders to back you up?
A small nation such as Armenia, and your "mighty" empire couldn't take it by yourself? Her small forces turned you back for the moment, and yet you claim such military genius that you will triumph over the Rum, who are backed by many on the council which you've repeatedly insulted and threatened?
As for Jerusalem, their actions leave us little choice but to declare war.
I do not see how they can repay the Armenians for slaughtering their royal family nor butchering their fellow Christians. I question their commitment to the spirit and message of their lord. If one is to be called a hypocrite, it is you Latins and Romans who doubletalk about Christ and mercy and peace and then wage wars of aggression against peaceful neighbors, and then say that you are the victim?
You know our offers of peace were far more amiable before you declared war on our ally. We were to compensate you for land which you yourselves admitted you neither wanted, nor could defend. At this point, however, you have committed such outrageous crimes that I don't think you could ever fully pay for them.
You dare doubletalk about Turks slaughtering Armenians, and then proceed to do the same thing? What ridiculousness. The Armenian King himself has proclaimed US to be his ONLY friend and source of integrity, strength, and honour. Yet you twist the facts to make it seem like we are Armenia's enemy. They have a word for what kind of nonsense that is, but I cannot utter it here.
Liars and hypocrites are we? My God, someone get this man a mirror, for he has never seen his twisted reflection. At this point I am beginning to wonder if you even have a reflection at all. Are you nothing but empty threats?
I would also remind you, as you continually call us aggressors, that your fallacious argument is entirely hollow, as it has been most easily and thoroughly established that YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR. My calling on my friends and brothers for monetary assistance is to wage a defensive war. Defensive means turning back invaders. Invaders like those who just swarmed into Armenia, a neutral and peaceful state. Invaders like those who cross into Turkish territory to wage war on our allies. Invaders like those who sack cities which are clearly under our sphere of influence, like Sinope. Invaders who have insulted this council over and over and now suddenly, while in the middle of raping and pillaging, facetiously turn to this council to say "please, hold back your gold and weapons from entering Turkish hands, for we only seek peace!"
Were your lies not an insult to those you have murdered, one might find this all quite amusing.
You are more than just two-faced. Indeed, there are so many faces to you, Roman, that you end up arguing against yourself. Perhaps the entire Roman army is just a single man who is just a really ingenious doubletalker. I need not even condemn you for your crimes, because you accuse us of:
1. waging wars of aggression and conquering your lands
2. seeking the council's assistance in this matter
3. lying and doubletalking and betraying our principles
4. Being infidels to our faith
While your own actions and words have demonstrated all of the above and thensome. Do you wish to retract your silly argument against your own deeds? Is it clear to you now how utterly ridiculous it is for two aggressor nations to sit back and play the hurt little puppy dog when it is they who have been the sole attackers and murderers here?
I haven't even had a chance to move my armies yet. Somehow I've gravely insulted you by pointing out the obvious.
When you have a defense for your actions that does not also condemn your own actions at the same time, let the council know. For the now, the Sultan breaks his vow of silence just to laugh at you.
:laugh2:
The Lemongate
03-17-2008, 15:47
The Roman ambassador allows himself a tired laugh.
The Turks truly have no idea what they are talking about. To return to Rome? Maybe they meant Italia. Because last I checked, Rome, Nova Roma, the city of Konstantine, is on the coast of the Bosphorus. As for the West, the Empire was separeted long ago. The Augustus of Ravenna chose to grant lands to the feodus and yes, the Franks do have legitimate claims to their lands unline the Turks and unlike the felonius Armenians. But one wonders why is the turkish Sultan so keen on those distant lands. If he were to overun us in defense of his lands, were would he stop? Thessalonike? Graecia? Serbia? Why not Vienna! In the name of peace of course.
But since the Sultan is an honorouble man, we shall take him to his word. He is amassing his troops for a defensive war! We shall then have no fear of seeing his banners under our walls in Trapezon and Sinope. After all should he not be heading for Cilicia to help his Armenian friend? Or does peace now mean expansion?
_Tristan_
03-17-2008, 17:08
The mail-clad Armenian messenger finishes checking the minutes of the proceedings in the Caliph's court before rising to speak.
We held talks with the Armenians to offer them generous terms in the reconquest of Anatolikon from the Turkish plague. Not only did we recognize their independence, but were ready to split our ancestral holdings with them.
How dare you speak of generous offer ? You wished to treat us as your lackeys and unleash us on unsuspecting countries to our east and south.
Here is proof taken from the message received by our King and found among his belongings.
Hail Great King of Cilicia!
Your forefathers served well the Empire in ages past and recent years have seen much fighting from both our peoples against the swarms of Arabia and of the East. In that spirit of trust, the Basileos would like to enter into an agreement concerning our mutual frontiers and the inevitable reconquest of Anatolikon.
Here is the proposal put fort by the Roman People:
The cities of Ikonion (Konya), Laranda (Karaman), Sebasteia (Sivas), Attaleia (Attalia) and Theodosiopolis (Erzurum) and all settlements north and west of them are to be the dominion of the Basileos. The cities of Seleukeia (Seleukia), Vahka and Matalya are to belong to the Armenian people, along with any conquest they would make further east and south, with the exception of Cyprus.
Concerning the settlements of Justianopolis (Kirsehir), Kaisareia (Kayseri) and Sebasteia (Sivas) currently under Turkish oppression, the Basileos would agree that if it is his armies that retake these cities, half the plunders garnered by his armies would rightly return to the Kingdom of Cilicia as a gesture of friendship between our two people. However, would it be your forces that conquer any of the cities belonging to the empire, we only ask that you return the city as soon as possible and could keep all of your plunder.
The Basileos would further like to add that the Empire has no plans of expanding further east into Greater Armenia and will not be sending armed forces beyond the borders of Trebizon or Theodosiopolis (Erzurum).
If such terms are acceptable to you, we would be pleased to sign formal treaties of trade and cooperation (alliance) between our two people.
Otherwise we are open to negotiations, but would like to impress upon you the fact that whoever rules in Konstantinopolis, the Roman People will consider western and central Anatolikon theirs.
May there be peace in our time.
Manuel Megas Komnenos, Basileos of Rome
As all can see with their own eyes, the Roman offer is only an insult to our people ill-disguised behind condescending words.
I remember full well the terms of my King's answer for having been the mesenger to the palace of your Basileos who proved as corrupted by power as his Roman forefathers...
My King offered you an alliance and a trade treaty and offered we take our share of the Muslim lands surrounding us (OOC : before ATPG joined in...) but it seems all this negociation was only a decoy to your true intentions...
May be be cursed for fifty generations, and your Jerusalem catamite with you...
The Lemongate
03-17-2008, 18:08
OOC: This point is kinda moot since it presupposed that the sultanate was an AI to be conquered in a few turns... However, for the sake of the argument:
Tell us in what way this offer would have condemned you to vassalage to the Empre? It seems to us that the only settlement you have gained since this offer was made is Vahka. Had our troops not been forced into a conflict with your people, half the plunder of Anatolikon was to be yours. Truly this was a generous offer. Not only are you a felon, you are greedy and ungrateful to boot!
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2008, 01:31
The Turkish ambassador arrives and bows before the Caliph. Then he marches over towards the Armenian and stands by his side, and addresses the Roman "ambassador" with eyes like fire, and his words thundering:
How unskillfully the Roman ambassador avoids the point entirely. The true Roman empire fell long ago, and you are but a tired and decaying remnant. However, according to your logic, all of the former Roman empire belongs to you and the rest of us should just hand it over. What of your "ally" Jerusalem? Surely the lands of Jerusalem were once oppressed by the Romans. Why don't you go claim your "formerly occupied" territories there? After all, you good Christians will surely love one another enough to share the lands in peace.
Or have we already forgotten how well you treat your fellow Christians. However much you need schooling in history, you need further education regarding current events.
Since you have not offered terms of peace or surrender as a counter to our offer, obviously that means by default you wish to persue this most ungodly war in the name of pure power-grabbing and naked ambition. As such, our response will be to push back your invaders, and lay seige to your own cities, until you finally surrender and accept peace.
You possess neither the rhetorical mastery nor the moral authority to condemn us for attempting to end this war which YOU started. You can call us hypocrites because we arm for the sake of peace, and will commit to war in the cause of ending one. However, that is simply how honourable nations respond to brutal aggressors such as yourselves. You simply have no reputation or standing left, no scruples, no ethical concerns, and you are in no position you condemn us, or your own victims, for acting in response to your attack.
How many Armenians died in your attack? How many fell under Jerusalem's strike? How many people did your soldiers and hired mercenaries murder in order to achieve your greedy ambitions? I suppose none of their deaths makes one shred of difference to honourable and compassionate people such as yourselves. Did you dump their bodies in mass graves to hide your crimes, or did you simply leave their bodies strewn about the land, to be the feast of the crows? Now talk to us of peace.
Did you ever stop for once to consider how the council would view you after this brutality? Did you ever feel queasy at the sight of the blood of the innocent? Did you ever once see one of your soldiers raising a sword against an Armenian mother and child, and ask them to show restraint? The same restraint you have shown in this council, no doubt.
You spit in the face of diplomacy. You spit in the face of mercy. You spit in the face of peace. WHO ARE YOU TO CONDEMN US FOR DEFENDING OURSELVES??? What gives you the right to protest? When you are on your knees begging the council for mercy, then you shall have forgiveness. While you continue to defend your atrocities with your insane justifications and continue to live in your fantasy dream world where anyone cares what protests you have in the name of peace, the people of Armenia have been robbed of their homes, their fathers have been killed in battle, their sons left to die, their mothers and sisters and daughters enslaved, their possessions plundered by lawless aggressors, their homeland destroyed... and all for what purpose?
What purpose? What purpose was served by the senseless slaughter of your innocent Christian neighbors? In the name of Allah, I command you to ANSWER FOR YOUR CRIMES!
Very well, I will answer for you, since none wish to hear your twisted tongue any longer. Your sole purpose here is the disgusting ambition to reclaim your former Roman empire, one nation at a time.
Do not speak to us of peace, Roman, for you do not know the word. For now, I have made my intentions clear before the council. I will personally obliterate your murderous invader armies. I will turn back the tide of Roman oppression. I will force you back from our lands and, if necessary, out of Anatolia. And then I will richly compensate those who have stood with me to defend the peace.
I may permit you the dignity of retaining your capital and your southern ports, when you surrender or I am satisfied with your apology. When you have been defeated on the battlefield, I may show you mercy that YOU have not shown towards YOUR victims. But the terms of the peace will be harsh, and justly so. You will never again be permitted to raise an invasion army on Anatolian soil. Your territories that remain on our border will submit to demilitarization.
Why I show any restraint towards this genocidal faction at all is only because I honour the wishes and good intentions of the council. But rest assured, our armies are committed to triumph over you. Do not show your twisted face in this council again until you are TRULY prepared to talk about peace.
The Caliph's guards are the only thing seperating my sword from your neck, Roman "ambassador" of "peace".
If peace means liberating lands from Roman occupation, until you are prepared to surrender and answer for your crimes here before the council, then that is what it shall mean.
By God, I will end your aggression against these Armenians, this council, and our own people. When next we meet, it will be on the battlefield. I would urge you to leave these chambers, personally ride your horse into battle, and prove your illegal claims to territories long independent from Roman warmongering.
You presumed the Turks would roll over and die when you drew your sword against us and our allies. You presumed wrong. Many on the council already see the wisdom in turning back your brutal aggression. Do not dare speak to me again unless it is on your knees. Speak to the council and tell them why they should not support us in our cause to defend Armenia, ourselves, and end Roman aggression.
You will never convince us with your words, as they are all twisted and meaningless. You must now convince every other delegate here of your case. Otherwise, you and your entourage may leave this place and go... (The Turkish ambassador hesitates, and just barely restrains his words) ...defend yourselves.
The Lemongate
03-18-2008, 04:53
A tired smile on his lips, the Roman ambassador calmly answers the Turk.
Ah! But you finally make sense at last, imbecile. We do indeed plan to rebuild Rome much more glorious then ever and we will fight all wars necessary to reach that goal. We do not need pretense like you. Honesty. An old Roman virtue. You should try it sometimes. Now, however, that doesn't change the fact that we are still willing to negotiate and make concessions. Just see the offer we made to the Armenians. That's generosity right there. Of course the ungrateful wretches chose to view us with suspicion and envy. It is rather cowardly that they do not show the tone of the exact response they gave us. (OOC as being a Junior member I was unable to keep it...)
And I admit, the world has changed since the Augustus' jointly ruled the world. Now dogs like you are allowed to speak at court! Marvel at the advances of our age! We speak of peace say you? Funny how I clearly remember myself saying we would fight those who betrayed us (he gives a quick glance to the Armenian) and those who oppose us. We do not hide our goals in fancy rhetoric as you say. I remember clearly stating which were our objectives in the rebel lands. Heracleia, Sinope, Dorylaion and Amorion. It left you much space to expand. Seleukeia, Laranda, Amaseia and all the lands East that you've already laid claim to in this council. We have made no military movement in your lands Turk and no claims to your settlements, unlike you who greedily eyes Sinope and Trapezon. Oh you will take them no doubt! And we shall see how much respect you show their inhabitants. They are defenseless settlements with barely a token garrison. You talk of massacres we committed? Bring us the proof. Your own character suggests far worse. And as for our heartlands, we eagerly await your armies. Unless of course you are too much of a coward to fight a battle against the soldiers of Rome? We begin to tire of your idle threats. Up to now you have proven a dog with no teeth and an annoying wail.
As for the support of this council... except for you, I fail to remember anyone else that has begged for money in these halls. Why, I ask you, should Rome act as a beggar when God is on her side?
deguerra
03-18-2008, 06:54
Because the day God has seen it fit to rain money on Roman...unbelievers has yet to be seen by this Imam.
*A forlorn looking messenger approaches the Khwarezm ambassador, they have a short whispered conversation*
Somber news has arrived from Merv, Shah Ala-Addan, has passed away peacefully in his sleep, the whole shahdom is in mourning.
As soon as the will is found I will let you all know the new shah.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2008, 10:06
The Sultan offers his condolances to the family of the mighty shah.
:bow:
Rest assured, the Sultan is already planning a memorial for this man, to be constructed at the very heart of Istanbul, towering high enough for the royal family of the shah that they might see it even from where they stand.
gesturing obscenely towards the Romans
I still hear your gums flapping, but I hear no reasons behind your atrocities which will spare you from your inevitable death and destruction. I believe I warned you to direct your pretentious pleas towards the Caliph and this council. Perhaps if I should cut out your tongue, it might serve to silence you in this moment of solemn remembrance.
Indeed, I should send the Shah this dog's tongue, that his family might feast upon it's twisted meat.
The Turkish ambassador slowly withdraws his sword...
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OOC- :laugh4: hope everyone is enjoying this as much as the Sultan clearly is.
_Tristan_
03-18-2008, 11:18
The Armenian messenger rises and adresses the Roman emissary, fury distorting his voice.
Tell us in what way this offer would have condemned you to vassalage to the Empire? It seems to us that the only settlement you have gained since this offer was made is Vahka. Had our troops not been forced into a conflict with your people, half the plunder of Anatolikon was to be yours. Truly this was a generous offer. Not only are you a felon, you are greedy and ungrateful to boot!
Greed and ungratefulness, that is what you accuse us of when we asked for nothing except freedom to live our lives as we wanted to live them...
Your GENEROSITY consisted only in the leftover garbage from your table... What use would we have had of plunder... That is blood money, unfit for true Christians...
How have your troops been forced into a conflict, we made no agression towards you either in words or in action. Our only warlike action was to submit the castle of Vahka where Mleh the Usurper had taken residence and was gathering forces to reclaim the crown of Armenia... How was that a threat to Rome ?
Just see the offer we made to the Armenians. That's generosity right there. Of course the ungrateful wretches chose to view us with suspicion and envy. It is rather cowardly that they do not show the tone of the exact response they gave us. (OOC as being a Junior member I was unable to keep it...)
GENEROSITY... Pfah !! (Spitting on the ground) Never have you known the sense of that word... As for the answer our King gave you, I being his mesenger can retell it from memory, so that the Council may know there was nothing threatening in that message but only the assertion of our freedom from Roman rule...
Your pitiful offer is of no interest to us... We are not beggars to be thrown the remnants of your table like dogs...
We will take what we see fit to take and will then negociate if you wish some of our holdings returned to you but we will be free to choose our path of conquest...
We are not your vassals and do not consider ourselves to be bonded by your desires...
Nevertheless we are ready to ally ourselves with you as Christians and share trade and maps for our mutual benefit.
We will take our share of the Muslims lands and advise you to do the same
Once we were your slaves, but that time is past... The only generosity you showed was with the number of whiplashes you rained on our forefathers' backs...
Armenia is but a small kingdom compared to Rome but we are a proud people... You cannot suffer that anyone stands up to Rome, the spoiled brat of a perverted father... All of Anatolikon would not have been enough for you... And where would that leave Armenia ? As a province of Rome ?
We had nothing to threaten you with and would have been your allies as true Christians... You pushed us in an unholy alliance with the Turks and I truly hope that if my kingdom dies at your sword then the Turks will prevail and that the Crescent flag floats on Constantinople...
The Armenian messenger slowly regains his seat, shaking from suppressed tears of rage.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2008, 15:57
The Muslims will not stand idle while these Romans and Levantines destroy innocent Armenian lives. Our faith commands us to respond.
Rest assured, Council... The Rum Turks will prevail in the name of Armenia, and they will not be crushed underfoot by the two strongest empires of the west. I have already taken steps to ensure the Royal family survives the night. They are now under our protection.
Armenia's people are not involved with this conflict...
If either state has exterminated civilian people of Armenia, THEY will be the first to die. If they have burned her structures to the ground as well, Allah will assist me in crushing them.
If you have any honour remaining, have mercy on the people of Armenia. Turn your wrath towards ME, you traitors of your own people!
:veryangry:
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2008, 17:38
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/stuff0001.jpg
Assalam alaikoom, friends.
To all who wish to barter with the Sultan of Rum, here is the location of our diplomat en route to Baghdad. We are currently on the banks of this southern river, heading east, roughly halfway between Baghdad and Syria.
Looking slightly disturbed the Khwarezm ambassador addresses the council
We feel compelled to announce to all nations here and around the world that canabalism is not practiced by any true moslem.
neither in fact is eating dogs, both are considered haram and we assure anyone that the ambassador from the Rum sultanates words were only in jest and hatred of the roman.
We Thank the Sultan of Rum for his kind offer, but a Madrassa is being built in the late shah's honour, peace be upon him, and no memorial in a city he has never even visited will be needed.
The Sultan offers his condolances to the family of the mighty shah.
:bow:
Rest assured, the Sultan is already planning a memorial for this man, to be constructed at the very heart of Istanbul, towering high enough for the royal family of the shah that they might see it even from where they stand.
gesturing obscenely towards the Romans
I still hear your gums flapping, but I hear no reasons behind your atrocities which will spare you from your inevitable death and destruction. I believe I warned you to direct your pretentious pleas towards the Caliph and this council. Perhaps if I should cut out your tongue, it might serve to silence you in this moment of solemn remembrance.
Indeed, I should send the Shah this dog's tongue, that his family might feast upon it's twisted meat.
The Turkish ambassador slowly withdraws his sword...
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OOC- :laugh4: hope everyone is enjoying this as much as the Sultan clearly is.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2008, 22:57
Prince Bohemund would love the company in Antioch.
I would urge the council not to act too hastily towards Jerusalem, for unlike their Roman brothers, they have actually attempted a diplomatic solution to this struggle.
For now, I ask that none aggress towards Jerusalem until I have failed to resolve the matter with words. So far, talks seem hopeful, and Armenia may yet gain a new homeland.
Only when talks fail, and there is proof that this is not some giant misunderstanding, would I consider asking my brothers for aid in battle. For now, that's really quite premature. This council is dedicated to peace.
phonicsmonkey
03-19-2008, 23:47
The Vizier rises, and with a solemn and pious expression declares:
In light of recent pronouncements by the Turkish Sultan, the Caliph would like to remind the faithful that the lending of money for interest is strictly prohibited in Islam.
This is especially the case when the money is loaned in the knowledge that it is to be used for some immoral purpose.
He would urge the faithful to let their consciences guide them in this matter.
EDIT: OOC: just to be clear, this was posted with my tongue firmly in my cheek. of course I have no authority to tell anybody what to do in or out of the game..
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2008, 00:20
IC-
I would humbly suggest that the Caliph indeed commands the loyalty of most, if not all of Islam, should he choose to activate it.
I wonder if anyone else agrees with me?
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EDIT: I hope the Caliph also understands that the pm I sent him was a joke... otherwise I'm pretty much toast. :laugh4:
OOC-
I declared war on the Caliphate to protest his "weak" leadership. I should have done it in style, though. One big long, angry rant... you know? Shouting to the heavens about this and that and how the Caliph is a position of power and respect and yadda yadda... citing numerous examples from history about great Caliphates past, and how the glory of Islam will not stand for such pacifism... and then culminating with a violent proclamation that I will seize the Caliphate for myself from his cold dead hands, his body swinging from a flagpole outside the Sultan's own palace, with lots and lots of angry smiley faces and violent smiley faces, and images of death, destruction, and carnage... and at the very end, I should have said:
:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge:
:veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry:
:viking: :viking: :viking: :viking: :viking:
:knight: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight:
"And if you believe that, I have a bridge in Anatolia to sell you."
and put a big clown face next to it. :clown:
Dang... in my zeal to do the joke, I was too hasty in sending it. I consider this a great personal failure on my part. Rest assured, it will not happen again. From now on, the jokes I tell will split your sides open, as my swords are prepared to do to the Romans...
I mean uh... split your sides open as the gentle flower opens blossoms in the springtime... yes... peace be upon you...
Just kidding, Lemongate! :clown:
deguerra
03-20-2008, 00:40
The Imam Sultan of Oman and Muscat owes loyalty to no man, Caliph or otherwise.
None the less, the words of the Caliph are both true and wise, and all faithful would be smart to consider them, lest they incur the wrath of God.
Still the chair of Jerusalem remains empty...
_Tristan_
03-23-2008, 16:30
The Armenian messenger, still clad for war, rises up to speak.
In my homeland, wa have a saying that goes :
"Dogs quarrel among themselves but against the wolf they are united"
The filthy and rabid Roman and Latin dogs are fighting over the wolf cub corpse that was Armenia...
But killing the cub will bring the true wolf out of the woods...
Here is proof of the lowly and cowardly acts of our Christian brethren
https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/badlieutenant_bucket/Armenia/medieval22008-03-2211-15-35-39.jpg
Will no one but the Turks stand to defend Armenia from those unclean dogs ?
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2008, 01:21
The Turkish delegate, who is seated next to his friend the Armenian ambassador, rises and proclaims the following:
We have now signed an offical and public treaty of alliance with the Armenians. We have also rescued the survivors of the Armenian massacre, including surviving members of the Royal Family, and they are now under our jurisdiction and our protection.
Any further aggression towards the Armenians, whose homelands were destroyed, will be seen not only as an act of war, but they will be declared war crimes.
These people are now refugees in our lands, and they pose no threat to any nation or kingdom. To act against these people now is to kick a dying man in the face while he labours to breathe, and I will not tolerate such acts of cowardice. That kind of unmerciful and unneccessary behavior will immediately bring down the wrath of the entire Turkish army, no matter what their current maneuvers are.
To put it bluntly;
If we are at the gates of Constantinople, and we are nearing victory against the treacherous Romans, and the Armenians are attacked again... We would end all hostilities with the Romans, offer them regular tribute, and even offer an alliance with them. Then we would not rest until those who would attack civilians and refugees are put to the sword or burned at the stake. The Romans may currently be our enemies, but there is a special place in hell for those who massacre civilians and refugees of war who don't even have a nation of their own.
How serious are we?
If we were allied with the aggressors, we would publicly end the alliance and immediately declare war. Further acts of aggression towards these people will not be tolerated in the slightest.
turning towards the empty seat of the ambassador from the Kingdom of Jerusalem
These words are not specifically directed at the great representative of the Latin kingdom. Indeed, they are directed at anyone who would bring harm to our Armenian brothers, be they our enemies or our allies.
turning to the council
In fact, on a more positive note, we seem to have reached a peace arrangement with the Latin kingdom, and we will verify this shortly. Therefore, we wish to make clear our position; Jerusalem is not an enemy of the Turks. Those who attack Jerusalem without just cause will not be friends of the Turks. That is the official position of the Sultanate of Rum.
We are committed to peace, great council. Since the Kingdom of Jerusalem has accepted the terms of a peace agreement, we must now press the Romans to do the same. Until then, we regret that we are still at war with the Imperialist aggressors.
The terms of our official treaty with the Armenians will soon be made public, and will bear the official signatures of both the Sultan of Rum and the new King of Armenia. Peace be upon those who would not aggress their neighbors.
We also wish to offer our thanks to the nations who are now our creditors, for they have enabled us to more swiftly end this war with Rome. Peace will come to these lands soon, and our creditors will soon be repaid many times over for their generosity.
Eyes turn to gaze at the chair for the representative of Jerusalem, but still no one is there...
Banzai Kamikaze
03-24-2008, 08:18
Slowly rising from his infamous chair
Praise be to the Rum Sultanate and the Latin kingdom, for they have found peace where hate and despair ruled.
The Ayyubids are not conviced, however, that this conflict is entirely over until Jerusalem's delegate returns and declares peace himself.
On a personal note, I find it interesting to see how your Jesus and your Christian God do not mind Christians killing themselves.
In the eyes of Allah, these fightings were most unholy and irrespectful of His teachings. Christian ambassadors, you should bring copies of the K'ran to your noble courts and learn from the ways of Allah and his prophet Mohammad.
With an arrogant smile,
Muslims would never kill their own brothers, Christians should do the same.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2008, 13:27
There is now a formal and public Treaty of Alliance between Sultan Kilij Arslan and the recently crowned King of Armenia, Takavor Hetum.
Sultan Kilij Arslan the Indestructible, Defender of the Armenians, Destroyer of Romans, friend to all noble, peaceful, and honourable nations, hereby and formally requests that all nations respect the great friendship shared between the peoples of Rum and Cilicia. Although displaced from their homelands, the Sultan welcomes these honourable Christians across our borders, and will defend the survivors of the Armenian massacre until his own death by the hand of his enemies on the battlefield.
The Treaty of Adana
This is a formal and binding treaty agreed upon by both involved parties in Anatolia, to preserve Armenian freedom and prosperity, as well as provide aid and assistance to the Sultan of Rum in times of crisis. Here are the terms:
1. The Sultanate of Rum is to provide a new homeland for the Armenian refugees, and provide for the defense of the Armenian people.
2. The Armenian Nation is to withdraw from their conquered territories in peace, thereby allowing the Sultanate of Rum to negotiate the terms of a treaty on their behalf, with both the Roman and Latin delegation.
3. The Sultanate of Rum is to speak on behalf of the Armenian Nation in all matters of treaties and defense. Armenia retains the right to obtain her own trade agreements, and Armenia also retains the right to make their own public statements and share their unique viewpoint with the council. However, we are now one nation, and the Sultan is the head of state, therefore all matters of foreign policy must go through him.
4. The remaining armed forces of Armenia are to stand down and adopt a defensive posture within the heart of Rum territory.
5. The Sultanate of Rum and the Nation of Armenia are now united in all matters of foreign policy. Any attack on Armenia is an attack on the Sultan himself. Any peace treaties negotiated with the Sultan also apply to the Armenians. The Armenians are not to aggress any nation whatsoever, lest our alliance be terminated, unless the two nations are already engaged in war with an aggressor state.
6. The Nation of Armenia will donate whatever remaining arms and hard currency towards the cause of the Rum Turks, that we may better provide for their defense.
7. According to international law, should Armenia's war debt exceed 20,000 florins, all financial arrangements must be cancelled, until their economy is rebuilt and their currency holds weight again.
8. Prizes taken in war against the Roman aggressor state will be donated, in whole or in part, to the Armenian Nation.
9. There are private terms of the treaty as well, agreed upon in good faith and will be honoured as such. We retain alliance, military access, trade rights, and shared map information throughout the duration of this treaty.
10. The Armenian Nation is a temporary Protectorate of the Sultanate of Rum, and the recently crowned Armenian King has agreed to accept vassalage under the Sultan until such time as his nation can once again stand independent and ward off aggressor states.
11. Any further acts of aggression towards the Armenian refugees and civilians will not be tolerated. Such actions can only be called atrocities and war crimes.
Provision for Armenian Independence
12. Armenia will be donated new lands and their war debts are to be repaid. At such time, or at some time in the future after that, Armenia may request formal independence and it will be granted by the Sultanate of Rum, under the following conditions.
I. All Turkish and Armenian forces are to withdraw from one another's territory.
II. The Alliance will be formally terminated by mutual agreement, until a new treaty of alliance is signed by both parties.
III. There will be a binding agreement not to trespass or commit aggression upon one another for at least 5 turns. If this arrangement is breached, it will be a betrayal of our formal alliance, and the wrath of the council should be upon the aggressor state.
IV. Trade rights will be maintained in such a case. The termination of our trade agreements would incur a penalty of not less than 1000 florins upon whomever cancelled the deal.
V. Armenian independence cannot be granted until their nation state is no longer indebted to any nation. All outstanding debts are to be repaid; according to international law, Armenia cannot and will not be used as a loophole to provide unlimited funds which have no actual value in international trade. And so therefore, the Armenian war debt will be repaid. The honour of both nations guarantees this.
-Official signature of Takavor Hetum, the recently crowned King of Armenia
-Official signature of Sultan Kilij Arslan the Indestructible, Defender of the Armenians, Destroyer of Romans, friend to all noble, peaceful, and honourable nations.
The Lemongate
03-26-2008, 02:56
The ambassador of Rome who had been coming and leaving the Council quite often in the last few weeks returns with a missive bearing the seal of the Basileos in his hand.
I wish to announce to this Council that Rome has beaten back the barbarians that sought to subjugate her cities. Kilij Arslan the "Indestructible" Sultan of Ikonion has been captured at the siege of Amorion by the glorious hosts of Ioannes Ducas and Basileos Manuel Megas Komnenos. After willingly admitting to his crimes, he was paraded in the streets of the city he vainly tried to oppress and swiftly beheaded.
His remains have been sent back to Attaleia where his sons cower in fear of the Basileos of Rome and his mighty kataphracts.
Because Rome is generous, we extend an offer of truce to the new Sultan if he would return the city of Attaleia to Rome, cease his support of the felonious Armenian court in exile and pledge not to enter Roman lands or mass troops near Roman borders.
This would restore the status quo between Rome and Ikonion. Though this goes against regular Roman policy, we would be willing to hear the Caliph's point of view on this proposal. His wisdom might yet avert further bloodshed.
Peace is possible in our time. And may the Light of Christ guide the Sultan's judgement.
Completely OOC: But shouldn't we all be referring to the Turks as the Sultanate of Konya / Ikonium / Ikonion (go with your language preference) rather then Rum (Rome). I don't believe they used that name for themselves until the late 1300 when they owned most of what was Anatolia and parts of Greece though I might be wrong there. But whatever, that's just me rambling here...
phonicsmonkey
03-26-2008, 03:18
The Vizier stands.
Caliph An-Nasir the Peacemaker fully supports any deal between Roman and Turk that would end the bloodshed in Anatolia.
While the Caliph will not comment on specific aspects of the deal the Romans have offered, he urges the Turks and the Romans to negotiate in good faith to bring an end to the violence and fear which plague the lives of the Anatolian peoples.
He offers to act as a mediator if such a man is required to assist in the negotiations.
The Caliph mourns the death of Sultan Kilij Arslan - a great man of Islam has passed on.
He knows that the Sultan will be celebrated in paradise as a devout and committed leader of the Faithful, but urges his successor to tread the path of peace so as not to join him there prematurely.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2008, 11:48
The Sultan's messenger arrives from the Roman front:
"Due to the chaos and confusion of war, we cannot comment at this time regarding any peace deals, until the new head of state has been appointed.
With the death of the Great Sultan Kilij Arslan, his heir may be willing to discuss peace terms. However, since the intelligence from the battle has not yet come in, no deals will be made, and preexisting deals remain.
The Rum Turks have no regrets. Sultan Kilij Arslan sought peace will all his neighbors, bravely fought against Roman aggression, assisted his ally in a time of need, offered generous reimbursement packages to those supporting his cause, and never once backed down to the forces of tyranny.
I have need to present the last will and testament of Sultan Kilij Arslan, which reads as follows:
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The last will and testament of Sultan Kilij Arslan the Indestructible, Holy Warrior of Islam
Friends and brothers of the Council, if you are reading these words then the time of my death has come. But you should not feel sorry for me, because I died doing what I believe was the right thing. I lived my life to support the cause of truth, justice, and freedom, and I never once gave in to imperialist aggressors. Should I die valiantly in such a cause, then my Muslim brothers should not fear, nor should they mourn my death.
Indeed, it is a cause for celebration that a brother of the faith has died defending Armenian freedom, Turkish freedom, and in trying to prevent the forces of imperial aggressors from claiming more lands in the name of greed and avarice. Would you see this day as a defeat, I would ask that you raise your chin, and praise Allah's name. For the same manner of death that befalls the Sultan Kilij Arslan can happen to our enemies as well. Indeed, Allah has willed that no man be immortal...
Some have questioned the use of my nickname, "the indestructible", as if it were to imply that my mortal vessel were somehow eternal. This is not so. Those who strut and smirk and taunt because they managed to defeat a man in battle have much humbling in their future, because they are but mortal men as well. No, "the indestructible" refers to the truth that freedom will always triumph over tyranny. No matter what happens, no man can bend, break, or destroy the truth of our existence, part of that truth which binds humanity together is the fact that given the choice, men would rather stand up and fight against tyranny, instead of stand idly by, or join the cause of evil.
One might look to our current situation. Let us suggest that the Rum Turks have indeed been defeated in battle, and they are either to be vassals or destroyed by the Romans or the Latins. Is the battle of Anatolia over? For now, perhaps it is. But the war is not over.
No, the war against the forces of tyranny is never over. No defeat, no setback, no fear, and no despair can ever stop the forces of freedom from challenging tyrants such as the Roman Imperialists and the Levantine traitors of Christ.
The men who remain in Rum will never surrender, never falter, never waver, and never accept defeat. They have all taken a solemn vow to stand up and fight against Imperialist aggressors. It is my legacy that the Rum Turks will fight to the last man in the cause of freedom. We will also honour our agreements with the BRAVE men of the council who chose to support our just cause.
The snickering and taunting of the Romans will soon be silenced, for they do not yet realize how hollow their victory is, and how soon death will be at their doorstep. If they think the endless and mighty armies of Islam will stand idly by and watch their fellow Muslims get slaughtered, then they do not understand the concept of brotherhood. If they think that their aggressive and warlike actions towards their own Christian brethren and the council will go unpunished, then, perhaps like myself, they have miscalculated. And just as grave as my apparent miscalculation, the Romans will find their own error to be just as deadly.
Friends and brothers of Islam:
I now declare a Holy Jihad against the Roman imperialist aggressors. The city of Constantinople will fall before the might of the armies of Islam. These traitors who cowardly backstab their own friends and brothers of their faith, who trade loyalties in brothels for coin, and who have declared war on all their neighbors, they will not live to see the day when they can peacefully coexist with the vast and eternal armies of Islam.
The remaining Rum Turks have all joined this sacred quest, upon my death, they are all to summon their courage and march on Rome. I call upon my Muslim brothers, in my absence, to aid them in their cause. For now, I can no longer guarantee that any further tribute can be repaid, but I can guarantee that any further support to the Muslim Turks of Anatolia will bring more warriors of Islam into the fight for justice.
Perhaps you do not all trust one another. Perhaps you have pressing matters at home to attend to. Perhaps you are busy quelling riots in rebellious provinces, and cannot afford to struggle in the name of Allah.
Then you have a choice: You can watch the Turks of Anatolia die bravely in their cause, and do nothing to prevent Imperial Rome from marching towards your homelands...
Or you can stand with my brothers and children this day, and declare in one voice; we will never surrender to the forces of Imperial Rome. We will never vanish into the night, we will not roll over and die without a fight, we will not allow the armies of the infidel to continue killing good Muslims without retribution, we will not allow the great and noble Islamic civilization to fall to backstabbers, traitors, tyrants, and cowards!
Join me, my brothers! Join me!
I bravely accepted this challenge, and I did not waver when staring death in the face! I never backed down from my principles, and neither will the Rum Turks!
Join me, warriors of Islam! My final request to Caliph an-Nasir of the Abassid Caliphate:
Approve my call for a jihad, that the vast and endless armies of Islam would descend upon thy unclean and treacherous foe... Only when Constantinople falls, will the aggressors against Christian and Muslim nations alike finally realize that to attack a Muslim nation without cause is to invite every able bodied Muslim to their doorstep, wielding great assortments of razor-sharp weapons, chanting the Holy name of Allah!
By the death of Sultan Kilij Arslan, the Indestructible forces of truth and justice will swarm upon our treacherous foe, and the vanquisher will become the vanquished!
Let there be no peace will bullies, aggressors, and tyrants! Let there be no peace with those who declare war on their neighbors and brothers! Let there be no surrender, no vassalage, no tribute, no treaty! Let there be no appeasement of tyrants! Let there be no shame and fear in fighting to our deaths to defeat the scourge of the Islamic world! Let there be none who question the just cause of freedom! Let there be an eternal jihad against the treacherous forces of slavery and oppression! Let the proud and holy name of Islam be shouted from the rooftops, from the streets, from the hills, from the mountains, from the Ghorid emirate to the nation of Saladin Ayyubid, from the Khwarezmid nation to the Imamate of Oman, from the vast territories of the Great Seljuk, to the honourable state of Ghazi, from the Abassid Caliphate, to the Rum Turks fighting against Imperialist aggression, let the proud and holy name of Islam declare forever and unending war against injustice!
Let the indestructible cause of truth and justice lead the swords of Islam to the throats of the oppressors and invaders of Anatolia! Let the anger and wrath of Allah for these great injustices and war crimes be swiftly and forcefully dealt in stinging and crippling blows against the infidels who will one day kneel in fear of Islam!
Let my death mark the beginning, not the end, of the eternal struggle against the sinners and heretics, the pirates and criminals, the imperialists and the Crusaders. Let my death clear a path for those to follow in my brave footsteps, to finally put this vicious pack of wolves on their backs, and unapologetically cut off the heads of these serpents.
Let there be war with those who make war, and peace with those who make peace! Let the sons of Islam, and all others who care truly about justice, rise as one and SMITE THE INFIDELS!
I will be at the right hand of Allah to guide your struggle... for now that I have ascended, a proud warrior, into the kingdom of heaven, I am indeed indestructible, and so is the truth of the message I bring, and so is the concept of freedom and justice for those who would fight for it.
LET THE ROMANS HAVE THEIR HOLLOW VICTORIES, FOR THE WRATH OF ISLAM WILL DESCEND UPON THEM AND SHOW THEM THE SAME MERCY THEY SHOW THEIR ARMENIAN BROTHERS!!!
LET THERE BE HOLY WAR AGAINST THE TRAITORS OF CHRIST!!! LET THERE BE....
JIHAD!!!!
Allahlalalalalalalalalalalalalallah!!!
The doors to the court open. The representative of Jerusalem strides in. He seems no longer the old man that he once was. He seems younger, more energetic, more astute.
The Armenian delegate glares at him, and he glares back. The Turkish delegate eyes him apprehensively - the Sultan's will still in his hands.
With a bow to the Vizier, the representative moves to the unoccupied chair. Upon reaching it, he turns and addresses the court.
So, we are back.
The conclusion of hostilities between Jerusalem and Armenia has allowed us to return this court of nations. Much has been said in our absence, and by many,
throwing a glance at the representatives from the Cairo, Anakara and Constantinople in turn
but we hold no grudges. We have shown that peace can prevail and we implore the Turks to see reason and accept the reasonable terms of peace from the Romans. Though it may be quite unlike the peace you previously offered them, your Sultan's recent demise by the hands' of the Romans should show you that peace is preferable to war. Can not all follow our good example and match your words of peace with action?
I duely hope so.
The representative sits down, and makes himself comfortable. He doubts very much the other representatives will simply let him return without some interrogation.
Banzai Kamikaze
03-26-2008, 15:47
Brothers of Islam ! Sons of Allah ! The death of Sultan Arslan results in a great sadness for the Ayyubids. His death shall be mourned for seven day by our entire diplomatic staff. We shall pray for his passing in the hands of Allah.
May he find peace, and may the Roman blade that struck him down be cursed for eternity.
The Ayyubids are deeply saddened by this death and by the turn of events in Anatolia.
We pray Constantinople will understand that this war is far from over, unless they negociate with the Turks. The Roman coffers can't hold on forever, and I believe it is in the interests of Emperor Manuel to stop the current bloodbath with a solid and LASTING peace treaty with both the Turks AND the Armenian survivors.
The Jihad called by the Sultan is stirring up a lot of debate by our Imams and Generals. Only Salahuddin's will is keeping control of the fury of our own people against Constantinople. How long this control will last is an issue of its own.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2008, 17:57
The shaken and embarrassed delegate from the Sultanate of Rum still holds the will of Arslan in his hands, and is clearly surprised by the words his Sultan wrote, as he stares blankly at the scroll, he hears whispers and murmurs in the crowd of assembled delegates... the Muslim delegates are clearly reacting to the words of the slain Arslan, far more than the delegate anticipated.
A messenger wearing Turkish colors arrives in the council chambers, appearing from the hall leading to the private negotiation rooms. He hurriedly moves over to the Turkish delegate and excitedly whispers into the Turk's ear some urgent news, no doubt.
The shocked expression on the noble Turk's face only deepens, as he clearly cannot believe what he has just been told. He immediately gets up from his seat and storms out of the Chambers, clearly moved by something the messenger has said. He heads in the direction of the private negotiation quarters, and leaves the messenger in his place.
Speaking out of turn, the messenger moves to the front of the hall and announces to the murmuring guests:
"Brothers of Islam! Even in his death, Sultan Kilij Arslan is clearly able to fight against the Roman imperialists! Already, forces acting on behalf of Rum interests have more than doubled their commitment to the security of the Rum Turks! The Holy Jihad is upon us!!!"
The Caliph reacts swiftly to this glorified mail carrier's attempt to hijack the peace negotiations. He claps his hands and the guards chase him out of the chambers. But already the warriors of Islam do not seem to need his consent to wage jihad against the infidel. Clearly, for peace to happen between the Romans and the Turks, the Romans would need to figure out a way to calm the Muslim outrage regarding the death of Arslan. Should they consider this a small matter, they will undoubtedly find themselves on the receiving end of the wrath of the faithful Muslims, who greatly outnumber the Romans.
The seat of the Turkish delegate on the council remains empty, for now, but an appointed scribe remains to take note of all the various announcements and proclaimations, and perhaps also to gauge the reactions of the assembled delegates.
If Arslan's words have provoked such a strong reaction among ambassadors and delegates trained to control their emotions, then there is no telling how the warriors of Islam in the field will react. Indeed, the blood of the Muslims is reaching the boiling point.
phonicsmonkey
03-27-2008, 00:19
The Caliph rises slowly from his seat, where he has been sat for some time with his brow furrowed in concentration. He is clearly troubled by the events at Court. After a long moment's pause while his gaze scans the chamber, finding the eyes of each man there and gaining his attention, he begins to speak in a low but resonant tone.
Those who see the cold mouth of the grave opening before them would call on others to join them - it was ever thus.
The dying words of the Sultan of the Anatolian Turks implore me to call a jihad against the Romans.
I cannot do so - a jihad in its true form can only be called by Allah himself, through his mouthpieces on earth the Imans. And his call will only be heeded if the Iman who makes it commands the respect and loyalty of the ummah, that they would die in battle for him.
There are no Imans in the Caliphate with sufficient stature that the Faithful would die for their words - let the Turks look elsewhere for such a man.
If they are able to find him, and his call is convincing enough to the faithful, we will see then whether there will be a jihad.
You might ask, could not the Caliph himself call a jihad?
I think not - although the Prophet's blood runs in my veins I do not claim to know the mind of Allah in this or any other matter. His angels do not speak to me as they may have to my predecessors - I must let my own conscience guide me.
And so we come to war - simple and deadly war. That is all the Turks can ask of the Caliph, and I must refuse them this.
The Romans are the aggressors in this conflict, that is true - but against their own brothers in religion the Armenians.
They have not attacked the Faithful - the Turks have joined the war of their own free will in defence of their Christian neighbours.
And well might they, but their treaties of mutual defence are their own concern and not for the Caliph or other leaders to enforce for them.
The Caliph's armies will not march on Constantinople, and he will not implore others to send their armies there.
I will call one more time for peace between the Romans and the Turks - let them sit down and discuss terms that will end this shameful cycle of violence!
The Caliph sits, clearly exhausted.
The Lemongate
03-27-2008, 06:01
The Turks spend so much time talking about peace and war and so little time negotiating with their neighbors in good faith. Why can't they sit down and consider returning to the state of things as they were before this foolish war. It has brought both sides only misery and death.
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2008, 14:53
ooc-
Actually we've sent you numerous private messages, both IC and OOC.
(the welcome, great to have you back one was clearly OOC... I doubt the Sultan was actually overjoyed... lol)
:clown:
Your offer of peace was heard and rejected for the same reasons as before, as the terms are the same, except this time we hold one of your provinces.
(you'd like to have this discussion publicly, so be it)
True, you've scored a victory on the battlefield, but unless I begin my turn and find my entire First, Second, and Third ranks annihilated, I cannot simply surrender, especially since I have received many more generous offers of assistance.
The reason we objected to your terms was because no negotiation on your part was offered, and the terms we felt were ungenerous and left us vulnerable. Having your armies stationed on the border of my capital and main recruitment center, having no buffering territories in between, and having no demilitarization aggreements, that would be a foolish peace to agree to.
I could turn as you suggest and march my armies east, to claim rebel provinces between myself and the Caliph which I've already claimed, and at least 3 other nations respect those claims. But how am I to march there when I have an undefended capital and recruitment center as sitting ducks, with hostile Roman arms parked on the border? Given your actions against Armenia, I have no choice but to not trust you.
I am not saying there is no room for peace, but given the long and the short history of Rome to date, I would need a different proposal before I could accept. You rejected mine, and so therefore you must now propose an alternative. Otherwise it is total war until one of us is a vassal or destroyed.
But, it's only a game, so don't mistake our firm stance on this, both IC and OOC, as hostility. To be honest, I just recently snagged myself a very awesome girlfriend, and if Turkey goes down in flames, I will probably laugh.
During my turn, it's all business, but right now, it's all good.
Ramses II CP
03-30-2008, 16:09
There is a simple matter that I wish to bring before the court. There was a private arrangement between the Sultan of the Ghorids and the Maharaja regarding the dispensation of rebel territories between our lands. It can most simply be described as the Delhi line, as Delhi and all territories east of that province were to belong to the Maharaja while all territories west of that line, including the wayward Sindi people, were for the Ghorids.
The Maharaja is extremely displeased to note that the Ghorids have, despite that agreement, layed siege to a city east of the Delhi line. If the Ghorid Sultan intends Thanesar to be a gift for the Maharaja it will be accepted, otherwise the Sultan should withdraw his men and leave the rebels of Thanesar to be dealt with by the Maharaja in his own time.
I ask the members of the council, and especially my fresh Ghazni allies, if this behavior is acceptable for Muslims?
(Kwaz have a trade rights/map info exchange offer on the table. Since some have been getting lost in the actual game, though I'd make a note of it out here just in case.)
:egypt:
I had no idea I had broken our agreement. I was under the impression that you were to have the lands to the East and South of Delhi, which does not include this place. If you wish to renegotiate then I am listening, though you are hardly in a position to dictate the terms.
Ramses II CP
03-30-2008, 18:18
No renegotiation is necessary, I believe I still have the maps you sent, which clearly mark the Thanesar region as belonging to the Rajput nation. Shall I present them to the council? What is this about dictating terms? I wish only to have our agreement fulfilled accurately as you presented it.
I am most puzzled by the fact that you proposed these borders yourself, but now seek to violate them. Has the Ghorid leadership undergone some changes recently?
:egypt:
I say again I had no idea I had broken the agreement, I shall look for the maps and send orders to my general to withdraw.
The period for mourning his son has ended and the Ghaznavids are again ready to deal with the Council.
Shah Khusrau is displeased with this turn of events, although it is promising that the Ghorids have declared that they will end the siege of this contested city.
Although he would be loath to choose between two nations he considers himself on friendly terms with, the newly minted alliance between Ghazni and the Maharaj would make the choice both quick and obvious. Let the Sultan of the Ghorids be warned.
Ramses II CP
03-30-2008, 20:08
The peace loving peoples of India are very glad to hear of your wise decision, Sultan of the Ghorids. May our borders remain settled for years to come.
Your pledge is much appreciated mighty Shah Khusrau, but of course it is hopefully unecessary.
I thank all the members of the Council for their attention to this matter as well.
The emissary of the Rajputs bows deeply to the emissary from Ghazni, then the Ghorid's man, and then towards the seat of the Caliph.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
03-31-2008, 10:40
A Turk enters the throne room, bloodied and exhausted. He smiles at the Armenian delegate, and then takes his seat.
Then he waves a mocking hello to the Roman ambassador.
"I hope you didn't need that eastern army too much..." mutters the Turk, who chuckles to himself.
OOC- An entire legion of the Roman army, the very same who killed our leader last turn, has been annihilated by our forces who were lying in wait outside Ankara. The armies of Jihad are on the rise, and we are winning this battle! Let all the faithful continue to support our cause. I spit on the Roman offer of "peace".
Peace with Romans? I'm sure the Iberians, the Gauls, the Cathaginians, the Latins, the Etruscans, the Greeks, the Brittanians, the Macedonians, the Thracians, the Dacians, the Egyptians, the Seleucids, the Phillistines, and the Arabs of old know full well the consequences of peace with Rome. Vassalage and forced marches to war are the cornerstones of Roman 'peace'. I urge all Muslims to answer my call to jihad. Whether they will or not depends upon how much their spirits are made of steel.
The Lemongate
03-31-2008, 13:43
Smiling, the Roman ambassador looks at the Turk
And they call themselves warriors, the men who mistake the bait for the enemy!
Askthepizzaguy
03-31-2008, 13:45
The Turks just smile confidently and say... prove it on the battlefield.
The peace loving peoples of India are very glad to hear of your wise decision, Sultan of the Ghorids. May our borders remain settled for years to come.
Your pledge is much appreciated mighty Shah Khusrau, but of course it is hopefully unecessary.
I thank all the members of the Council for their attention to this matter as well.
The emissary of the Rajputs bows deeply to the emissary from Ghazni, then the Ghorid's man, and then towards the seat of the Caliph.
:egypt:
there will be no withdrawal. I have recovered the original maps used in our deal and the borders of that settlement are clearly marked in red. The siege will continue unless the Raj would care to dispatch an army to relieve it, and a mighty army that would have to be to disperse such a force.
maps:
https://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9239/image001zp4yo4.th.jpg (https://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image001zp4yo4.jpg)
Ramses II CP
03-31-2008, 21:36
This crude forgery is not the agreed upon border. Thus am I repaid for dealing in good faith with your people. I suppose the men of India should be accustomed to this treachery.
It is a curious method of declaring war, to recreate incorrectly one of your own documents. Nonetheless, if you are coming, come ahead. Your early comments made it abundantly clear that this day was inevitable, and you will find our lands well prepared.
The emissary of the Maharaja walks calmly to discuss the matter with the men from Ghazni.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2008, 02:57
The Turkish delegate makes note of the unpleasant events happening at the Hindu border. Needless to say, the Sultan is most displeased, as two friends of the Anatolian Turks seem ready to go to war.
In light of recent events, it is now certain that SOMEONE is lying to the council. While it has not yet been proven conclusively which one, the Sultan will have no more dealings with the aggressor nation, as it has always been our foreign policy to back the righteous defenders, no matter what their faith.
Is it not our business? Should we look to our own borders first? One might argue that the Turks have more pressing matters to attend to. However, if we are to stand idle while an honest and faithful friend is attacked or betrayed by another, then we are in no position to be called a friend.
For now, the Turks are neutral in this conflict, as neither nation is allied to us. However, when the truth about this matter becomes clear, our position will also.
:no:
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2008, 03:19
The Turkish ambassador yields the floor to a Turkish scribe and scholar:
"Upon closer inspection, this document is clearly a forgery."
The Turkish ambassador interrupts, saying:
The lines aren't even drawn in the same colour! And the Ghaznis look as though they ALSO lost territory to the Ghorids according to this "map".
However, I will not be misled. Trickery and conspiracy are commonplace in this council. I am not yet prepared to change our neutral policy at the moment.
But I now have my suspicions of treachery confirmed. And since the Ghorids supplied the maps, they must have had knowledge of it. It is the only possible conclusion. The Ghorids need not explain themselves to the Turks, for they owe us no allegiance. However, I'm sure others in the council will demand an explanation.
:turkey:
phonicsmonkey
04-01-2008, 03:36
The Vizier rises.
If the Ghorids and Rajputs would have peace, let them not be distracted by bickering over this map, which is of no consequence.
If their previous agreement is in dispute then let them come to a new understanding which reflects the reality of the situation in their border regions, and which will provide for a long-lasting peace in the East.
The Caliph is willing to mediate in such a negotiation should his services as Peacemaker be required - he has no territorial ambitions in the area.
The Caliph would also renew his offer to act as mediator to the warring factions in Anatolia, should they wish for an end to the pointless struggle there.
Have not enough souls been hurried to paradise?
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2008, 03:46
The Vizier rises.
If the Ghorids and Rajputs would have peace, let them not be distracted by bickering over this map, which is of no consequence.
If their previous agreement is in dispute then let them come to a new understanding which reflects the reality of the situation in their border regions, and which will provide for a long-lasting peace in the East.
The Caliph is willing to mediate in such a negotiation should his services as Peacemaker be required - he has no territorial ambitions in the area.
The Caliph would also renew his offer to act as mediator to the warring factions in Anatolia, should they wish for an end to the pointless struggle there.
Have not enough souls been hurried to paradise?
It is indeed a glorious and joyous day when souls of honourable men are given to advance the cause of freedom. Allah blesses those who FIGHT for their convictions, rather than simply sit idle and watch their lands and their rights disappear to aggressor states.
We have no need for the Caliph to mediate this dispute, as the Romans have but two options: Surrender and become our friends, or die in glorious battle against the righteous arms of the Turks who are simply defending our lands and those of our allies against aggressors.
Should the Turks fall in battle, that is what Allah has willed. Peace with bullies is not peace at all, but surrender.
We value your judgment, great and honourable Caliph. In fact, your words have inspired us to reaffirm our friendship with both states involved in the Hindu territorial dispute. Indeed, your words are most wise, and we tend to agree that peace can still be achieved.
However, the reverse is not true for the Romans and the Turks. Numerous attempts at peace have failed, and the Romans wish to claim all of Anatolia. Only Turkish arms have prevented Armenia from falling, and only Turkish arms prevent Muslims from being enslaved under Roman rule.
Great Caliph, we honour and respect you, however this is a matter only Allah can mediate. In the meantime, we will defend ourselves with our brave hearts, our righteous deeds, our honourable agreements, and our cold steel.
:turkey:
The Jihad continues... and it will not end until Constantinople is renamed Istanbul, and then perhaps given to the Armenian refugees.
Ramses II CP
04-01-2008, 04:47
My people would welcome any arbitration, as we seek only peace and prosperity. Mighty Caliph if you can find justice for us in this situation my people will surely be in your debt.
The emissary of the Maharaja bows deeply to the Caliph before returning to his discussions with the Ghazni envoy.
:egypt:
Banzai Kamikaze
04-01-2008, 04:58
The large Ayyubid ambassador nods at his slaves who quickly bring the large ambassador up. One of the slaves falls down in the process, but a large Nubian slaves catches the falling ambassador, preventing what could have been an earthquake. Short of breath, still recovering from his near fall, the ambassador addresses the court, red with fury:
Will the Romans and Turks ever come to an understanding ? How many innocent women and children must be slained and sold into slavery before this bloodbath ceases to flow !
Calming down, the large bearded man gives an order to his guards. The fallen Nubian slave is brought away from the court, crying for what seems to be forgiveness. The ambassador then addresses the court:
Surely Anatolia can be shared peacefully by both nations. Surely Constantinople must stop its aggressive stance towards the Armenian soldiers, as only then will the Turkish fury be satiated.
Let it be clear, our Sultan, may Allah reserve the most exotic virgins in heaven for him, our sultan wishes Constantinople and the Turks to find peace.
Turning towards Jerusalem's ambassador
We wonder what King Baldwen thinks of the situation. Surely, the outcome of this war will have a great impact on the Levant. We also wonder whether Jerusalem plans to pursue the Armenian survivors in the future. Their issues with their Christian neighbor are none of our business, but we remain curious about their stance.
Eying the Georgian delegation
Will Georgia remain neutral in this conflict ? We haven't heard from your ambassador for quite some time. Does worshipping your Jesus take up all of your time ?
Looking at the Seljuk delegation
And what of our Seljuk brothers ? Surely they must be interested in this conflict...
Turning towards the rest of the court
Ambassadors, I feel their is an uneasy silence in this court by many delegations every time the Anatolian War is debated. We wonder whether their silence is a sign of uninterest.... or secrecy...
Finally gazing at the Hindu delegation
Only the strength of Allah dictates how nations will be shaped. However, we hope war in the Orient is not brewing, as we would not want any spice or silk routes to be interrupted. Surely this matter is a misunderstanding. Praise be to the Caliph, for his offer of mediation must be heard in this dispute.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2008, 05:07
The Turkish ambassador is most pleased to hear the words of Sallahuddin Ayyubid's messenger. He asks all the right questions at just the appropriate moment in this council's history.
:turkey:
The Lemongate
04-01-2008, 05:33
One would however wonder at the true stance of the Ayyubids. He asks questions but doesn't answer them himself. A man of peace, especially one who can not lift his own sword should not be trying to join a war far from his coasts.
The Roman ambassador glares at the Ayyubid.
Stay far from Anatolikon and its politics unless you truly want to wake up to a nasty surprise down in Aleksandreia. Your meddling has already been noted by Rome and we are most displeased.
One would wonder about the true stance of the Ayyubids. They have many rebels and other fiends ruling the lands to their south, so why would they be looking north so much? Surely your time would be better spent pressing your rights southwards than worrying about the wars in Anatolia.
However, our own stance has not changed. We are entirely neutral in the Turkish-Romano war, and can only pray that peace will break out soon. We have concluded our own peace with Armenia and there is no plan nor desire to pursue them into the heart of the Turk's lands.
We are worried though by Rome's previous statement. Are they threatening the Sultan in Egypt? We have no desire to see a war developing right on our southern doorstep. We hope nothing comes from it.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2008, 10:25
The Turkish delegate nods approvingly at the Latin delegate's words, but says nothing.
Banzai Kamikaze
04-01-2008, 15:16
One would however wonder at the true stance of the Ayyubids. He asks questions but doesn't answer them himself. A man of peace, especially one who can not lift his own sword should not be trying to join a war far from his coasts.
The Roman ambassador glares at the Ayyubid.
Stay far from Anatolikon and its politics unless you truly want to wake up to a nasty surprise down in Aleksandreia. Your meddling has already been noted by Rome and we are most displeased.
Bloating with fury:
Are these threats and insults coming from your half-wit simpleton ambassador, or do they truly reflect the thoughts of your Emperor ?
Roman, know that they will be noted by our Sultan and that it will influence our stance towards Constantinople. Should you ever plan a military invasion of our lands, your fleets of old boats shall be sunk by ours. Your Jesus may come and help your drowning soldiers, but Allah will not forgive those who have a false faith. Remember, Roman, that it is only through Salahuddin's iron grasp that our armies refrain from joining the Jihad called by the Turkish Sultan. Pray that your threats do not reach the ears of our imams.
The Ayyubid ambassador calms down and drinks from a colossal cup presented by one of his many slaves. Rumors has it that its contents are sweeter than any cake.
We will disregard your threats as a misunderstanding of our previous comments, for now. We wonder how simple questions were interpreted as meddling, while peace is on the only thing we strive for.
Looking at Jerusalem's delegation:
Salahuddin is indeed preoccupied by the large armies of black soldiers in the south, and has no intention of involving itself in the Anatolian war, rest assured. Our questioning was merely a matter of curiosity, as we fear neighboring nations may be engrasped by this whirlwind of war. Our Sultan works for peace and stability for all great nations.
[I]Eying the Georgian delegation
Will Georgia remain neutral in this conflict ? We haven't heard from your ambassador for quite some time. Does worshipping your Jesus take up all of your time ?
The georgian ambassador sighs and addresses the Ayyubid's ambassador.
Perhaps if you were not so busy fufilling your insatiable appetite you might have heard that Georgia is strictly neutral in this conflict. To make our stance clearer we have just broken our alliance with the Romans and are waiting for a peaceful resolution of the conflict in Anatolia. Now we answer you question with one of our own.
Why do the Ayyubid, not only meddle in things that don't concern them, but also mock us in the process? Indeed it is an odd way to show you desire peace.
The Lemongate
04-01-2008, 18:23
If it is your southern borders that preoccupy you, one has to wonder what need you would have of military access to the Levant. I believe it is Crusader steel more then Salahuddin's will that keeps you in check. Your disastrous losses in Syria should make you think twice before engaging in distant struggles.
barcamartin
04-01-2008, 18:47
The Seljuk diplomat appears to be slumbering, but his assistant carefully pokes him in the side and informs him that the Ayyubid has questioned him. Yawning and rubbing his eyes, he clears his throat.
' The Sultan isn't obliged to make his diplomatical will known to this council. '
Leaning back again, he closes his eyes, clearly showing his lack of interest.
Banzai Kamikaze
04-01-2008, 21:00
If it is your southern borders that preoccupy you, one has to wonder what need you would have of military access to the Levant. I believe it is Crusader steel more then Salahuddin's will that keeps you in check. Your disastrous losses in Syria should make you think twice before engaging in distant struggles.
Cheeks red with blood, the Ayyubid ambassador speaks hesitantly:
How would you... how would you even know of our dealings with Jerusalem ?
Turning towards the Latins:
What nonsense is this ? Who has been feeding lies to these warmongers ? Surely someone is trying to turn Constantinople against Salahuddin. Bah ! Let them turn against us. We do not fear a broken Empire.
Staring at the Romans:
Romans, the more you speak, the more we sympathize with the Turkish cause. Do not invoke a self-fulfilling prophecy for your sake.
The Ayyubids have no intention of going to war in Anatolia, but your late aggressive comments towards us require our Sultan's attention. We sincerely hope your words do not reflect the thoughts of your Emperor, who once seemed to be a reasonable man.
Now looking at the Gergians:
Isn't the purpose of this council to discuss political matters in the hope to find peaceful agreements ? I would hardly consider my questions "meddling", as opposed to clarifying all of our nations' intentions. Clearly we all have a duty to work with both the Turks and the Romans to find a peaceful solution to this conflict. Is the Caliph the only one working for peace in this council ? I believe this war should be discussed much more openly. Secrecy only fuels fear and aggressiveness.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2008, 21:20
The Turk finds recent events in the council to be most worrysome. He immediately dispatches his messenger to meet in private with his allies to ascertain what is going on.
The Turk eyes the Latin delegate with grave suspicion. He is unsure how peace can be achieved with nations who cannot even make a simple agreement to assist one another in secret without betraying one another to their enemies. The Turkish delegate speaks:
If these people cannot handle private dealings with honour, how then could they make public moves towards peace? Indeed the Turks have many secret dealings, but we have never once betrayed those who would converse with us privately, or publicly for that matter. Our foreign policy has been MOST open and clearly stated. Our enemy is clearly marked.
The Turkish delegate would like to call to attention the lies of the Latin delegate stated in this very chamber:
Still red in the face, the ambassador waves off the Ghazni representative
Jerusalem will not join the war against the Seljuks. We fear war on our northern borders looms between our neighbors, so we keep our armies close to the Kingdom.
Turning back to the Turkish delegate
We have no desire to attack the your Sultanate, nor control any lands in Anatolia. The honour of this kingdom is behind that statement.
Indeed, the honour of the Kingdom was behind that statement. None at all! Keeping your armies close to the Kingdom includes attacking your brothers of the faith and lying outright to the council? At this point, I am troubled that the peace agreement we have is even worth the scrolls it is written upon!
For now, we are much too busy with the Romans to take any action. But beware, Jerusalem. We now suspect you DO mean to attack us. And I have assurances that when you do, my Muslim brothers will punish you swiftly.
We will honour OUR agreement of peace with you until YOU break it.
Now looking at the Gergians:
Isn't the purpose of this council to discuss political matters in the hope to find peaceful agreements ? I would hardly consider my questions "meddling", as opposed to clarifying all of our nations' intentions. Clearly we all have a duty to work with both the Turks and the Romans to find a peaceful solution to this conflict. Is the Caliph the only one working for peace in this council ? I believe this war should be discussed much more openly. Secrecy only fuels fear and aggressiveness.
Forgive us if we were not clear enough, we did not mean your position in the Anatolian crisis. By meddling we were talking about your asking of Georgia's position in this matter, a position that is quite clear to all who are directly involved. Our intentions are none of your business, our neighbors know our intents and that alone is enough. You speak of the need to be open, yet do you reveal to all every single negociation in which you participate? Why a sudden interest in Georgia? If we recall correctly you discounted us as irrelevent in one of your first announcements to this council...
We can see you have more important matters to attend to near your borders, you should look to them and speak no more of this. Your "brothers" the Seljuks seem to think the same thing. finally, may we remind you that the region of the Caucasus is quite stable and devoid of intrigues, it does no require your scrutiny.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2008, 23:35
The Turkish ambassador sends messengers to smooth relations between the Georgians and the Ayyubid Sultanate. They are both our friends, and we see no need to quarrel over minor diplomatic misunderstandings, especially when they have no real disputes.
But for now, the ambassador yields the floor to the recently crowned Sultan of the Anatolian Turks, Kaikosru the Magnificent, himself:
"I ask that the Ayyubids please choose their words more carefully when addressing our honourable friends the Georgians, and that the Georgians forgive our friend the Ayyubids for a minor misstatement of their intentions.
We all have more pressing matters, with belligerent powers still roaming free, threatening weaker nations. I propose we renew our friendships by agreeing to deal with warlike powers first, and then we can afford to squabble over the words of delegates.
In times of peace, such disputes hold more weight. For now, it is in our collective interest to join hands and fight the aggressors. We have nothing more to state publicly on this matter."
:turkey:
I would also like to point out that the peaceful relations between the Georgians and the Seljuk have warmed the heart of the Sultan.
Official Signature of Sultan Kaikosru the Magnificent of the Turks, Defender of Armenia, Destroyer of Romans, Friend of Georgia, friend to all noble, peaceful, and honourable nations.
Standing slowly to his feet, the representative from Jerusalem addresses the council in quiet, but firm, voice.
Turk, your ignorance is great, but shall be forgiven.
Still red in the face, the ambassador waves off the Ghazni representative
Jerusalem will not join the war against the Seljuks. We fear war on our northern borders looms between our neighbors, so we keep our armies close to the Kingdom.
Turning back to the Turkish delegate
We have no desire to attack the your Sultanate, nor control any lands in Anatolia. The honour of this kingdom is behind that statement.
It has obviously escaped the Sultan's attention, but the Armenian lands we took have been abandoned so that they can become under Roman control - AS WAS ALWAYS THE AGREEMENT. We never sought to gain more lands in Anatolia - it was the destruction of Armenia we sought.
I would also like to remind the Sultan that we have never attacked, threatend your lands and people, nor do either in the foreseeable future. Where have we broken our word?
With a significant glance at the Turkish Sultan
We are not ones to break our promises, no matter what course of action they lead us down.
Waving to the Ayyubid delegates
You have our response already.
Without another word, the man sits down and sighs. He has a very real feeling that war will engulf the Kingdom soon, yet he has no idea why.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 00:21
Standing slowly to his feet, the representative from Jerusalem addresses the council in quiet, but firm, voice.
Turk, your ignorance is great, but shall be forgiven.
It has obviously escaped the Sultan's attention, but the Armenian lands we took have been abandoned so that they can become under Roman control - AS WAS ALWAYS THE AGREEMENT. We never sought to gain more lands in Anatolia - it was the destruction of Armenia we sought.
I would also like to remind the Sultan that we have never attacked, threatend your lands and people, nor do either in the foreseeable future. Where have we broken our word?
With a significant glance at the Turkish Sultan
We are not ones to break our promises, no matter what course of action they lead us down.
Without another word, the man sits down and sighs. He has a very real feeling that war will engulf the Kingdom soon, yet he has no idea why.
The Turkish delegate turns red, and says in a seething voice:
Do not insult us with your lies, Crusader! You had no desire to control Armenia, but for several turns, that is exactly what you did. Simply because you now hand these lands over to your "buddy" the Romans, that somehow wipes your hands clean of the stains of blood?
You sit there in blood-soaked clothing playing the innocent sheep, but it is fooling NO ONE!
The Turkish Sultan, not having left the Council yet to go to the Roman front, returns to the chambers and silences his representative.
"Forgive my servant, honourable messenger of King Baldwin. If you speak the truth, then there shall be no war. It has always been the stated policy of the Sultanate of Rum that we shall brook no aggression, we will arm ourselves to destroy aggressor states, but we will not be the ones who start wars against peaceful factions.
If you are serious about peace, then you shall have it. We have far more important matters to attend to on the Roman front, anyway.
Send King Baldwin my apologies, but his conduct has been most confusing of late. Tell him also that if he breaks his word, we will be ready."
Many in the council rise as the honourable Sultan leaves the court. His visit to these chambers serves to honour all the nations who have sought peace.
:turkey:
The Ghazni rep looks closely over the Ghorid maps.
"I am not sure this is authentic. It appears as if the ink used to to line the settlement in question is of a brighter hue than that surrounding the rest of the Ghorid territorial claims. I think these lines were added in later, and are brighter because they have had less time to fade."
I would caution the Ghorid Sultan not to attempt to trick his Muslim brothers, lest he want to see his own image tarnished while that of the Maharaj grows ever brighter.
maps:
https://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9239/image001zp4yo4.th.jpg (https://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image001zp4yo4.jpg)
phonicsmonkey
04-02-2008, 02:59
The Vizier rises to the sound of a gong.
The Caliph is pleased to announce that under his good auspices a peace deal has been negotiated and signed between the Rajputs and the Ghorid Emirate.
He is not at liberty to disclose the precise details of the agreement, but I can say he believes it to be equitable to both parties.
Rejoice my brothers, for there will be no war in the East!
With a glare at the Ghaznavid emissary.
Let the Ghaznavids stay their tongues and not stir up trouble - their intervention could not have been less timely and is not welcome.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 03:08
The Turkish delegate applauds the Caliph's mediation, and the Ghorids for accepting the peace agreement.
We also wish to once again extend the hand of friendship to the Ghorids. As you have once again proven to be a reasonable and honourable nation, you are by definition a friend of the Turks.
:turkey:
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 04:11
A messenger arrives in the council chambers bearing an official document, and hands it to the Turkish representative. The messenger then approaches the Vizier, bows with respect, and submits a written request to address the entire council. The Turkish delegate then moves to the front of the hall and announces to the assembled ambassadors of peace:
"The great and peace-loving nations of Anatolia are pleased to announce a new, formal Treaty of Alliance and Mutual Defense. Let all peace loving nations respect our new friendship and do not aggress us. The public terms of the Treaty are now made available to all, with the signature of the majority of its member states and the consent of all. I would also announce that this alliance is defensive in nature and is not valid if any member state becomes an aggressor towards a neutral party, and so therefore it is an honourable and peaceful agreement that non-member states should not fear. Also, invitiations are being sent out to non-members to petition our Coalition for membership. If you have not received an invitation yet, consider this announcement your invitation."
:turkey:
The Treaty of Tbilisi
As recognized by Sultan Kaikosru the Magnificent of Turkey, Takavor Hetum, Proud Avenger of the Armenian People , and King George III the Valiant of Georgia.
Addendum: The Maharaja of the Solanki Rajputs now also is a signatory of this treaty. The Ghaznavid Shah is now also a signatory of this treaty.
This Treaty of Alliance and Mutual Defense is between the free nations of Armenia, Georgia, and the Turkish Sultanate, and all other co-signatories.
Terms of the Treaty:
1. All involved parties are to declare a public and formal alliance
2. All involved parties are to exchange military access (given and received)
3. All involved parties are to exchange map information and trade rights
4. All involved parties are to declare war on any aggressor who attacks any member of the alliance. The reverse is not true, if a member state declares war on a neutral or allied party, the others will not, and it can be used as grounds for termination of the alliance.
5. Turkey and Armenia are to remain united on foreign policy, as if they are one nation. This does not necessarily apply to Georgia, as we understand Georgia has prior commitments of greater precedence.
6. Georgia is to reveal her allied commitments, public and secret, to the Turks, that we might align our foreign policy with Georgia's, and that we might not threaten our alliance by engaging in conflict with a state that Georgia considers a friend.
7. Similarly, Turkey and Armenia will reveal all formal commitments to the Georgians, that they might not inadvertantly trigger a war with one of our allies.
8. Terms not publicly disclosed
9. Provision for Armenia:
I. Georgia agrees that resettling Armenia near their ancestral lands is a good idea, both for the defence of Armenia and Georgia
II. Georgia is willing to extend some territory for the short or long term use of Armenia, at their discretion. But the terms of this treaty do not specify where and when this consideration is to be extended, as it is entirely the Georgian's decision.
10. Agreement of foreign policy: Terms not publicly disclosed
All parties agree to these 10 terms unless the coalition votes unanimously to change them.
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OFFICIAL SIGNATURES:
I. Official Signature of the Sultan Kaikosru the Magnificent of the Turks
II. Official Signature of King George III the Valiant of Georgia
III. Official Seal of Takavor Hetum, Survivor of the Armenian Genocide and Proud Avenger of the Armenian People
IV. Official Signature of the Maharaja of the Solanki Rajputs
V. Official Signature of the Ghaznavid Shah, leader of the Ghazni people
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Other nation states are allowed to petition this body for membership, and in most cases, a simple majority vote will be the only approval required, with the terms of their inclusion to be negotiated through either Georgia or the Turks directly.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 06:17
The Solanki Rajputs have petitioned this coalition for membership and have been accepted.
The terms of the treaty extend to the Hindu people now, and include map information, trade rights, military access given/received (not that such will be needed... ever...) and alliance.
Also given are the terms of voting in new members, and the veto power against changing the terms of the treaty.
Current members include:
Turkish Sultanate
Kingdom of Armenia
Kingdom of Georgia
Hindu nation of the Solanki Rajputs
The Ghaznavid Shah
Invitations to other nations have been extended, and we intend to fill only about 7 or 8 slots, so petition us for membership now.
Banzai Kamikaze
04-02-2008, 07:16
My my....
So this is the reason for so much secrecy...
An Alliance between Muslims, Christians and Hindus ? We do live in modern times....
We hope this alliance will light peace in the dark world in which we live.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 07:51
My my....
So this is the reason for so much secrecy...
An Alliance between Muslims, Christians and Hindus ? We do live in modern times....
We hope this alliance will light peace in the dark world in which we live.
OOC-
Let's just say the Sultan of Rum is most... progressive in his ideals. Although Kilij Arslan has died, his philosophy lives on. And actually, other than my alliance to Armenia, all of the above events happened in the past 24 hours, from start to finish. I've been a very busy little bee both in public and private.
:bow:
Just remember, folks, it's all about peace and defense. I know that many of you are already committed to alliances of your own. This is just another group, except it's comprised of weaker states and there are more of them. We also tend to be aligned towards chivalry rather than dread.
Banner of the Coalition: (updated)
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/flag2-2.jpg
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The Green stands for Turkey, The Orange for Armenia, The Yellow for Rajputs, and the White for Georgia. Teal stands for the Ghaznavid Shah. The Crescent stands for Islam, the Cross for Christianity, and the stars represent each of the 4 founding member states.
Member states:
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/flag2-2.jpg
Just insert the "/" before the second "IMG]" to use this banner yourself.
I made it myself. See? I TOLD YOU I would end up knitting banners of peace, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you believe me?
As for the rest of us, we are content to sit at home and practice our needlepoint. I've already quilted a great banner of peace, knitted the Romans some very nice little mittens to keep their hands warm while they slaughter us, and sewn together some very nice ladies' unmentionables to wear while I am out on the battlefield not killing things.
[I]Don't hold your breath on the rest of what I said, though... as I said, I was drunk.
[IMG]https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/flag2-2-1.jpg
avatar sized image- use reply with quote to get IMG code.
The Ghaznavid emissary, humbled by the Caliph, sends a sharp glance towards the representative of the Maharaj before sitting down. He wished his allies had informed him of this development. Now, having embarassed his nation before the caliph, he would be sent as a diplomat to some minor emir in Khorasan, while another would have the honered position of ambassador to the Council.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 09:30
The Turks, Armenians, Georgians, and Hindus welcome the newest member of the Coalition of Freedom, the Ghaznavid Shah.
The same status given to the Solanki Rajputs is extended to the Shah of Ghaznavid, and he is now a co-signatory of the Treaty of Tbilisi.
Let the Council know this coalition now has five members.
We also wish to extend the status of friendship with the following nations, according to the agreed upon terms of the original treaty of Tbilisi:
excerpt:
"III. The Seljuks are considered friends of this coalition until they aggress one of the member states.
(IV and V became member states)
VI. The Ayyubid Sultanate is considered a friend of this coalition until they join the alliance or declare war.
VII. The Abassid Caliphate is considered a friend of this coalition until they join the alliance or declare war."
Any member of the Coalition who declares war on protected friends of the Coalition unilaterally will have their membership reviewed, most likely punished, and possibly expelled.
If your nation is not found among the list of protected friends of the coalition, it is only because we have a lack of formal relations. This does not mean the Coalition sees you as enemies, only as neutrals. If you wish to improve this relationship, petition each of our members for an informal treaty of nonaggression, which the Turks extend to all nations not currently at war with members.
The purpose of protected friendship status is to ensure good, united foreign policy, and also show our commitment to peace and fair treatment, even to non-member states and neutral parties. This alliance is based upon peace, not aggression.
Updated Banner of the Coalition, to reflect Ghazni membership:
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/flag2-2.jpg
Tis a fairly sweet looking flag. Perhaps my flag-knitting skills are as sharp as my diplomacy...
Perhaps it is a matter of good luck, but this is my 1,111th post.... :balloon:
The representative from Jerusalem shares a worried glance with the Roman ambassador. What other purpose does the alliance serve than to provide the Turks with a defence platform from which to crush the Kingdom and the Empire at will?
the Ghorid Sultan whispers to an aid
"I'd like to see the turks try and protect the Rajput fellows, they'd only have to march across half the world to get there. And shouldn't that flag have 5 stars if there are 5 members? Guess the new Sultan isn't too bright."
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 15:39
the Ghorid Sultan whispers to an aid
"I'd like to see the turks try and protect the Rajput fellows, they'd only have to march across half the world to get there. And shouldn't that flag have 5 stars if there are 5 members? Guess the new Sultan isn't too bright."
The influence of the Coalition, if measured only in soldiers, wouldn't be able to stop you, Ghorid. But I would caution you to reject that as the only measure of our abilities.
Considering two of our allies are on your border, I advise against aggression.
The configuration of the banner design reflects the 4 founding member states of our Coalition. The ghaznavid's late inclusion is welcome, but I've only modified the flag to include a stripe on their behalf. Why you should be concerned with my artwork is most puzzling.
Your words are also noted. We withdraw our offer of friendship to the Ghorids. If you're planning to attack the Hindus, I would question how bright your commander is.
The representative from Jerusalem shares a worried glance with the Roman ambassador. What other purpose does the alliance serve than to provide the Turks with a defence platform from which to crush the Kingdom and the Empire at will?
Perhaps to deter your combined forces from invading. But we'll see if it can even accomplish that. Nothing stopped you from invading Armenia. And if the two of you are truly worried about Turkish arms, then I doubt you would continue to hover so closely near our borders, and I doubt this alliance would change all that much between us. It is precisely BECAUSE Turkish arms are presently taxed that I've sought allies. But I don't need to answer to states whose goals and ambitions have been as nebulous and provocative as their aggressive actions were unwarranted.
I guess the Tuskish Sultan has good hearing...
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 16:55
I guess the Tuskish Sultan has good hearing...
Or perhaps your aid is a spy.
:clown:
I would like to make an announcement to the Council:
The Coalition is under negotiations to include a sixth member. We have limited space, and so therefore no other members will be officially included until all other council members have had their oppurtunity to petition us for membership.
I don't want to say that membership will go to the highest bidder, but if your foreign policies align with ours, and you offer us something that contributes to the Coalition, your application will be considered with greater weight than if you approached with demands and incompatible foreign policies.
To petition this Coalition, send a message to either the Turks, the Georgians, the Rajputs, or the Ghaznavids. (any message sent to Armenia would be redundant according to the terms of the Treaty of Adana) Since this ambassador is more available than most, the Turks would particularly welcome negotiation.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2008, 16:55
edit; double post, please remove
A smug smile fits upon the man from Jerusalem
You obviously have no idea where our armies are if you say that.
phonicsmonkey
04-02-2008, 23:27
The Vizier stands.
Caliph An-Nasir welcomes the formation of the Coalition of Freedom under the Treaty of Tblisi, and commends its stated aims of peace and freedom.
The Abbasid Caliphate will not be a member of the Coalition, but is pleased to be considered its friend.
Let all here present be reminded of the Caliph's desire to work for peace and prosperity between all nations in the region - he feels this purpose is best served if he remains politically neutral.
Ramses II CP
04-04-2008, 02:56
The emissary of the Rajputs rushes into the chamber and throws himself to the ground, wailing like an injured child. His tear streaked face is clearly wracked with pain. Finally, after making an unimaginable spectacle, he screams,
'The Maharaja is dead! He is dead! The Light of our Empire, Guardian of the Sacred city, he has fallen in battle! Weep, weep for the Rajput people, and cry to heaven for succor in our name!'
http://lh5.google.com/RosDalton/R_WJ1FnPNVI/AAAAAAAAKUg/6Z_OlVVQaaA/s800/0973.jpg
For many long minutes the pathetic show goes on, with abject screams and horrible wails rising from the huddled, collapsed mass of the emissary before at last a pair of strong armed Indian guards move forward and help the emissary stumble out of the chamber, the very picture of wretchedness.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
04-04-2008, 03:11
Did the Maharaja die fighting rebellious forces within the Rajputs own nation, or is something more sinister afoot?
Ramses II CP
04-04-2008, 03:14
(OOC: It was rebels, completely and 100% my fault. I noted in the OOC thread. Just a stupid thing on my part, I was trying to avoid a negative trait due to not fighting and sent him in before the enemy was fully routing. He took a javelin from my own mercenary war elephants. :shame: :no: )
:egypt:
Banzai Kamikaze
04-04-2008, 09:24
Staring at the Rajput emissary, wondering if he could ever be so expressive should his Sultan die, the Ayyubid ambassador stands up:
Grave news indeed ! Poems shall be written about his many deeds. May he find peace in heaven.
Turning back to the entire council
I have received a letter written by the holy words of Salahuddin ! He has responded to Makurian raids in the Nile with an army larger than any sea. They say the earth trembles when his army march. The Dark Ones have beheaded our emissary, sent to humbly negociate a peace deal. They have sent his head back. An insult to the Ayyubids ? Nay friends, an insult to He whose sight is infinite !
Salahuddin marches ! Salahuddin will stop these raiders from threatening Africa. Already, the dark soldiers are falling, trampled by thousands of horses.
Allah guides his blade. There will be victory.
Askthepizzaguy
04-04-2008, 14:42
OFFICIAL COALITION ANNOUNCEMENT:
The honourable nations of the Great Seljuk Empire and the Imamate of Oman have recently been voted in as full members, and with thier inclusion to the Coalition, and no further petitions, I am closing the petitioning process. Any further alliances will be bi-lateral, nonvoting, nonmember states.
There will be an official addendum to the Treaties of Tblisi and Adana, the details of which will be made public knowledge in official form later on today.
I wish to assure the non-member states that the Coalition is currently at war with no one, even though the Turks are presently at war with the Romans and the Kingdom of Jerusalem (the latter should be resolved quickly, as I have no intentions of invading the Levant at this time, pending Jerusalem's consent to a peace treaty) and we have no plans to act against any nation except in self-defense. We have many official and declared friends of the Alliance. Remember, if your state is neutral with us, please sign a treaty of nonaggression with any one of our member states and we will vote as a group to extend that to the entire Coalition.
Members of the Coalition:
Turkish Sultanate
Armenian Kingdom
Georgian Kingdom
Great Seljuk Empire
Imamate of Oman
Ghaznavid Shah
Solanki Rajputs
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/flag2-2.jpg
phonicsmonkey
04-04-2008, 14:47
OOC: There is already a Treaty of Rayy between the Seljuks and the Shah
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