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Crazed Rabbit
02-27-2008, 18:44
A grand icon of the conservative movement, very intelligent and very eloquent.

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NEW YORK (AP) (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080227/D8V2P9PG0.html) - William F. Buckley Jr., the erudite Ivy Leaguer and conservative herald who showered huge and scornful words on liberalism as he observed, abetted and cheered on the right's post-World War II rise from the fringes to the White House, died Wednesday. He was 82.

His assistant Linda Bridges said Buckley was found dead by his cook at his home in Stamford, Conn. The cause of death was unknown, but he had been ill with emphysema, she said.

Editor, columnist, novelist, debater, TV talk show star of "Firing Line," harpsichordist, trans-oceanic sailor and even a good-natured loser in a New York mayor's race, Buckley worked at a daunting pace, taking as little as 20 minutes to write a column for his magazine, the National Review.

Yet on the platform he was all handsome, reptilian languor, flexing his imposing vocabulary ever so slowly, accenting each point with an arched brow or rolling tongue and savoring an opponent's discomfort with wide-eyed glee.

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"I am, I fully grant, a phenomenon, but not because of any speed in composition," he wrote in The New York Times Book Review in 1986. "I asked myself the other day, 'Who else, on so many issues, has been so right so much of the time?' I couldn't think of anyone."

Buckley had for years been withdrawing from public life, starting in 1990 when he stepped down as top editor of the National Review. In December 1999, he closed down "Firing Line" after a 23-year run, when guests ranged from Richard Nixon to Allen Ginsberg. "You've got to end sometime and I'd just as soon not die onstage," he told the audience.

"For people of my generation, Bill Buckley was pretty much the first intelligent, witty, well-educated conservative one saw on television," fellow conservative William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, said at the time the show ended. "He legitimized conservatism as an intellectual movement and therefore as a political movement."

Fifty years earlier, few could have imagined such a triumph. Conservatives had been marginalized by a generation of discredited stands - from opposing Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to the isolationism which preceded the U.S. entry into World War II. Liberals so dominated intellectual thought that the critic Lionel Trilling claimed there were "no conservative or reactionary ideas in general circulation."

Buckley founded the biweekly magazine National Review in 1955, declaring that he proposed to stand "athwart history, yelling 'Stop' at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who urge it." Not only did he help revive conservative ideology, especially unbending anti-Communism and free market economics, his persona was a dynamic break from such dour right-wing predecessors as Sen. Robert Taft.

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Although it perpetually lost money, the National Review built its circulation from 16,000 in 1957 to 125,000 in 1964, the year conservative Sen. Barry Goldwater was the Republican presidential candidate. The magazine claimed a circulation of 155,000 when Buckley relinquished control in 2004, citing concerns about his mortality, and over the years the National Review attracted numerous young writers, some who remained conservative (George Will, David Brooks), and some who didn't (Joan Didion, Garry Wills).

"I was very fond of him," Didion said Wednesday. "Everyone was, even if they didn't agree with him."

Born Nov. 24, 1925, in New York City, William Frank Buckley Jr. was the sixth of 10 children of a a multimillionaire with oil holdings in seven countries. The son spent his early childhood in France and England, in exclusive Roman Catholic schools.

His prominent family also included his brother James, who became a one-term senator from New York in the 1970s; his socialite wife, Pat, who died in April 2007; and their son, Christopher, a noted author and satirist ("Thank You for Smoking").
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RIP, you'll be missed.

Crazed Rabbit

Lemur
02-27-2008, 18:46
A great thinker and a great writer. The world is poorer without him.

KukriKhan
02-27-2008, 19:00
R.I.P.

ICantSpellDawg
02-27-2008, 19:43
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views."

Lemur
02-28-2008, 00:47
Well, if we're going to play let's-quote-Buckley, I'd point out that he departed from orthodox "conservatism" many times. Example. (http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200602241451.asp)

Buckey was a thinker, not a demagogue or an ideologue.

Beirut
02-28-2008, 01:19
Always liked him. As CR said, very intelligent and eloquent.

:coffeenews: "But then, of course, your stuporious imbecility is magnified by an egregious and shocking lack of proper vernacularity running, runnning I say, hand in hand, testament like, with your love and devotion to the cause of socialist ambitions. I would ask you to respond but you will be wrong again, so I will not."

seireikhaan
02-28-2008, 01:45
Rest in peace. As previously noted, an intelligent, eloquent, and hard working man for the conservative effort.

However, I must say, I don't personally like him much. Obvious reasons aside, this particular quote from the article irks me.

"I asked myself the other day, 'Who else, on so many issues, has been so right so much of the time?' I couldn't think of anyone."

For me, that just comes off as incredibly arrogant and self serving. There's other things I'd go on, but I'll leave it at that, as this is not really the time to bring a littany up on it.

Proletariat
02-28-2008, 05:10
Just an amazing mind all around. Thanks to Buckley I had the NRO site bookmarked and I always made sure to have my dictionary handy while reading

This was no Rush Limbaugh, save the trolling for someone else's funereal.

R.I.P. :bow:

seireikhaan
02-28-2008, 05:26
edited: nevermind.

Adrian II
02-28-2008, 13:17
I am surprised to hear he was considered a thinker by some. Wasn't he more of an activist? Maybe among friends like Howard Hunter, Billy Graham and J. Edgar Hoover, writing spy novels amounts to 'thinking'.

He struck me as kindred soul of Gore Vidal, who is a gifted writer and an activist, half a Communist and not exactly a thinker either.

Were Buckley's novels any good? Vidal's are terrific, but his politics stinks. I know some of Buckley's columns were very good and his politics didn't stink. I believe he was against the ban on soft drugs and against the war in Iraq, to name some hot topics.

It seems he and Vidal were good friends, which I find easy to imagine because they had the same acerbic humour and elite background and they were both widely read.

Buckley ran for Mayor, like Vidal ran for the Senate - in vain. When asked wha he would do the day after being elected, Buckley said: "Demand a recount." Gore Vidal could have said that.

A great wit has died.

ICantSpellDawg
02-28-2008, 20:14
It's "funny" that he should die as McCain ascends to the nomination of the G.O.P.

Lemur
02-28-2008, 22:03
TuffStuff, are you aware that Buckley made a personal contribution to McCain's campaign?

ICantSpellDawg
02-28-2008, 23:13
TuffStuff, are you aware that Buckley made a personal contribution to McCain's campaign?

When?

Seamus Fermanagh
02-29-2008, 04:01
I am surprised to hear he was considered a thinker by some. Wasn't he more of an activist? Maybe among friends like Howard Hunter, Billy Graham and J. Edgar Hoover, writing spy novels amounts to 'thinking'.

He struck me as kindred soul of Gore Vidal, who is a gifted writer and an activist, half a Communist and not exactly a thinker either.

Were Buckley's novels any good? Vidal's are terrific, but his politics stinks. I know some of Buckley's columns were very good and his politics didn't stink. I believe he was against the ban on soft drugs and against the war in Iraq, to name some hot topics.

It seems he and Vidal were good friends, which I find easy to imagine because they had the same acerbic humour and elite background and they were both widely read.

Buckley ran for Mayor, like Vidal ran for the Senate - in vain. When asked wha he would do the day after being elected, Buckley said: "Demand a recount." Gore Vidal could have said that.

A great wit has died.

The Buckley v Vidal debates were a tour de force in vocabulary! Vidal was the better novelist, but Buckley's ability to force conservatism to grow as a philosphy far outstripped Vidal's efforts as a standard bearer for socialism.

I myself don't think of him as an activist, though for me that may be more of a result of my connotations for that term (To the barricades! Nader and Unsafe at any Speed, etc.) than for its denotative applicability.

When Buckley began his career as a man of letters, the USA had no articulate figure who could distill the concepts of what we label conservatism and connect them to our everyday actions and aspirations. Buckley did that, and not long after helped to bring about a sea-change in American political thought and action. Before Buckley, most of the conservatives in the USA were Democrats, with the GOP representing corporations and the country club set. Buckley was a man of his times, and one of the men who has shaped ours.

KukriKhan
02-29-2008, 04:22
...Before Buckley, most of the conservatives in the USA were Democrats, with the GOP representing corporations and the country club set...

I can confirm those assertions, having lived through them. It's why his Firing Line TV show went to public TV (supposedly a Demo haven, before Democrats were automatically branded "Lib'rlz").

@Tuff: I checked McCain's contributors to his "Straight Talk Express" and presidental campaigns and found no W.F.Buckley giving to him... but there are other ways to contribute, and earlier campaigns; so our Lemur must have other, older, or better, sources.

Lemur
02-29-2008, 05:39
Nope, just one of the tributes to the man which I read, and now am having trouble finding again. Take it as a "maybe" until I can re-find my source.

-edit-

Found it. (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWFiNjU2MzdhMzg1MjQ2OTc0Mjk5ZjU1MzAzZGJhMGU=) Admittedly, just a blogger, but a well-connected one.

KukriKhan
02-29-2008, 06:24
What they may fail to point out is that WFB also supported the troop surge and last year wrote a check to the presidential campaign of John McCain.

mccain pres contributors (http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/startList.do) last name starting with "buc" = no joy.

But maybe my Fed Elec Comm - fu is weak.

Could be WFB contributed to a previous senate campaign, or his 2000 prez bid?

ICantSpellDawg
02-29-2008, 06:37
Nope, just one of the tributes to the man which I read, and now am having trouble finding again. Take it as a "maybe" until I can re-find my source.

-edit-

Found it. (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWFiNjU2MzdhMzg1MjQ2OTc0Mjk5ZjU1MzAzZGJhMGU=) Admittedly, just a blogger, but a well-connected one.


I just don't see them as ideological bedfellows. I wouldn't doubt it if it is true.

I did checks - only one mention on a blog as well.

Adrian II
02-29-2008, 09:48
The Buckley v Vidal debates were a tour de force in vocabulary! Vidal was the better novelist, but Buckley's ability to force conservatism to grow as a philosphy far outstripped Vidal's efforts as a standard bearer for socialism.Vidal remains my favourite because his wit has character and his (novel) characters have wit. There is a depth to his upper class despair that puts him in a category of his own. Buckley began his career by supporting Barry Goldwater, a dangerous nutcase in his own right, and he supported the use of violence against anti-war demonstrations. Gore Vidal supported no-one but Gore Vidal and he made an ass of himself by defending the North Vietnamese dictatorship. When Vidal called Buckley a crypto-Nazi and Buckley called Vidal a queer, both were probably right. Those were heady days. This site (http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/debates.html)contains most of the material on the exchange. For those who have no subscription to the NYT I copy the article about the 'requisite lawsuits':

NYT Books
September 26, 1972

Buckley Drops Vidal Suite, Settles With Esquire
he legal battle between William F. Buckley, Jr. and gore Vidal arising out of their public exchange of affronts, apparently came to an end yesterday with an announcement by Mr. Buckley of two acts: the dropping of his suit against Mr. Vidal and an out-of- court settlement of $115,000 with Esquire magazine.

Mr. Vidal, the novelist, playwright and critic, wrote an article, "A Distasteful Encounter with William F. Buckley Jr.," that ran in the September, 1969, issue of Esquire. The title referred to their celebrated dispute on television a year earlier.

Mr. Buckley, the conservative editor and columnist, sued Mr. Vidal, who countersued Mr. Buckley. Mr. Buckley also sued the magazine. The court dismissed Mr. Vidal's action but ruled that Mr. Buckley's suit against him should go to trial.

Arnold Gingrich, publisher of the magazine, said last night: "The whole matter has been settled. Our motion for summary dismissal of Buckley's action was denied, which meant that we'd have to proceed to trial. We simply felt that under the adversary system, nobody wins but the lawyers. This agrees to call off the mutual spending of money."

Mr. Gingrich confirmed that Esquire would publish a statement in its November issue disavowing "the most vivid statements" of the Vidal article, calling Mr. Buckley "racist, antiblack, anti-Semitic and a pro-crypto Nazi." the Magazine will pay $115,000 for Mr. Buckley's legal expenses.

Mr. Buckley said of Mr. Vidal, "Let his own unreimbursed legal expenses, estimated at $75,000, teach him to observe the laws of libel."
Maybe only political idiots can be 'great wits'. When Vidal went to Cuba in 2006 he told the local press: 'I came to Cuba with my broken knee to help break 40 years of embargo. I declined the previous invitation because I lost one of my knees. I almost sent my knee to you, and it would have been more interesting than myself.'

Lemur
02-29-2008, 16:30
mccain pres contributors (http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/startList.do) last name starting with "buc" = no joy.
Hmm, just as a test, I can't find myself either, and I contributed to more than one campaign in December. Who knows?

Marshal Murat
02-29-2008, 22:09
I watched the Buckley vs. Chomsky debate, and it was spectacular. The verbose nature of both participants, astounding. I have to say, however, that after watching that I tend to favor Chomsky rather than Buckley.

Vladimir
03-02-2008, 21:24
I watched the Buckley vs. Chomsky debate, and it was spectacular. The verbose nature of both participants, astounding. I have to say, however, that after watching that I tend to favor Chomsky rather than Buckley.

:laugh4: Farmers caused us to pull out of the Philippines!

The Truman Plan was disastrous, the Marshal Plan...arguable?

ICantSpellDawg
03-02-2008, 21:26
I watched the Buckley vs. Chomsky debate, and it was spectacular. The verbose nature of both participants, astounding. I have to say, however, that after watching that I tend to favor Chomsky rather than Buckley.

You would. I thought that they both did quite well. I thought Buckley was losing ground in the beginning, but pulled out toward the end when Chomsky started going off on a small tangent.