Bribed General mariage

[Dexter]

https://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1844/meleagrostq0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Hello there, now it did not happen to me `till now, because i did not like to bribe generals, but in my recent Carthage campagne i bribed just for fun this man, and the next turn it happens .. I was under the impression that these cant have there own families. I wonder if he can have sons. This would be a great source of fun, for me at least.

For those whom dont know what they see in the picture, i use mundus magnus, whit a multi temple change ... the rest is vanilla.

Did this happen to anyone else ???
Cheers :hippie:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I've had Bribed Generals marry before, but never have children. Its a shame really - in the past I've had to bribe generals just to keep my family surviving and add another man to the family tree. When the "real" family died out I ended up a little stuck - a bunch of infertile men running a faction isn't a very good move.

~:)

[Dexter]

Oh, thats not good .. i was hoping to bribe a roman and hopefully have kids whom would make a fine romano-carthaginian dynasty (hehe) ... At least they can adopt right ?

I newer had problems whit kids - mundus magnus -, as in all my roman campaigns i had at least 3 whom were of the original family. 1 is always a victor, the rest become builders, great governors - the multi temple helps a lot here -. If i recall correctly each region grants 2 kid slots for the family, + a temple of fertility helps to add an extra 2, 3 siblings.

[Quirinus]

I see..... I was wondering whether, if you bribe a barbarian dude as the Romans, his kids will be Romans or barbarian. Oh well.

I have another question regarding bribery: if one of your family gets bribed, what happens to his family portrait? What happens if you bribe him back?

[Dexter]

if one of your family gets bribed, what happens to his family portrait? What happens if you bribe him back?

It happened to me .. it gets a no picture in its place a black square, if you put your mouse pointer over it it shows the date when he betrayed you .. and if you manage to get him back he will be in one of the slots of any random general in your army - all generals have 4 slots as far as i know, so he can have 4 kids or adopted, respectively bribed generals -; there is no way he can take back his old place in the family tree as far as i know, and this happens a lot in BI specially whit the Western Roman Empire.

[Quirinus]

Eek, that's messy. So you can actually see stuff like a father 'adopted' by his own son and stuff like that? Also, if all generals can only have up to four children, and bribed generals are infertile, doesn't that mean that you can end up sterilizing your family tree by excessive bribery?

[Dexter]

I`m not 100% sure on this, but it seems that bribed generals have a tendency to occupy the slots of older generals .. like my example meleagros is 35 and the adopter is over 40, but theoretically yes its possible to have all bribed generals thereby killing of your own faction...but i`m not sure if they can`t adopt ... let`s say i have just 1 region 3 generals .. normally this means no slots for kids, but they grow old and die, luckily not at the same time, so there`s a chance to have an adoptee - one of my Julii couples male 59 female 49 had kids -.

[Quirinus]

Well, I've had one instance where a 30-year-old traitor is adopted by a 17-year-old. It was..... odd, to say the least.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Well, I've had one instance where a 30-year-old traitor is adopted by a 17-year-old. It was..... odd, to say the least.I prefer to consider that more "patronage" rather than an actual adoption. It makes it sound a little more ethically acceptable than a seventeen year old having a fifty year old son for example.

~:)

[Spartan198]

I've had adopted generals marry and produce children,back in the day when I only played vanilla Rome...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

My bribed generals also got married and got children ..
Playng the julii I bribed a spanish family member .. he was 17 or so and few years later he got married and had a son soon after that .. but the children had a roman names and not barbarian like there father's name .. also .. all his sons( he had 3 of them) had diffrent familie names so there was times where I thought that his wife is not very fauthful to him :dizzy2:
Anyway .. I think if the bribed general is young enough then he will have kids ..

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I do believe that bribed generals did have children in older patch versions (v1.2/v1.1 and below). It was a bug/feature introduced in patch 1.3 or 1.2 which prevented their wives from ending up pregnant.

~:)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I do believe that bribed generals did have children in older patch versions (v1.2/v1.1 and below). It was a bug/feature introduced in patch 1.3 or 1.2 which prevented their wives from ending up pregnant.

~:)

I have Rome Total War: Gold Edition .. So I do not know anything about previous patches ~:(

[Quirinus]

Hold on, isn't Gold Edition v1.5? I wouldn't know, my RTW came bundled with the original release of BI (v1.4).

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yep .. Gold Edition camed with v1.5

[Quirinus]

So bribed generals can reproduce in v1.5 after all! Yes..... I'll see if I can get a bunch of barbarians to become consuls and paterfamilias. :laugh4: That'd be a sight.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Gah! I take back what I said - bribed generals can seem to have some children, but it's moderately rare. I actually said that myself a while back in response to somebody else's queries. Sorry - I've had a little bit too much on my mind recently. ~:(

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So bribed generals can reproduce in v1.5 after all! Yes..... I'll see if I can get a bunch of barbarians to become consuls and paterfamilias. :laugh4: That'd be a sight.

Actually you can't .. if the bribed barbarian generals children come at age they will have roman portrays and roman names ~:(

About that barbarians becoming consuls .. I had a carthaginian general Theages the Mad who was aedile once ...

But just like I sayd .. bribed generals can have kids only if they are young .. never seen a bribed general over 30 to have a kid ...
Also .. there must be a lot of provinces and not that many generals and do not adopt anyone because they will be adopted by the bribed general ~:(

[Dexter]

thanx for all the info .. to bad you cant have the children keep the bribed name, it would have been nice to see Egypt run by a roman, or a roman house by any other than roman, i wonder if the same is true for roman bribing roman ? - after civil war bribing a young 17,18 year old form the other house -

[Ibn-Khaldun]

... or a roman house by any other than roman...

The same guy - Theages the Mad - was my Julii faction leader for a short period of time :dizzy2:
But after couple of years he died :shame:

[Good Ship Chuckle]

No one has mentioned it, but his overview map in bottom left hand corner in the picture has the actual names of the areas (In the picture it says Thracia, Hispania). He must be using a mod or something. But I like it.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

No one has mentioned it, but his overview map in bottom left hand corner in the picture has the actual names of the areas (In the picture it says Thracia, Hispania). He must be using a mod or something. But I like it.From what I have gathered in the past, I believe it is the Mundus Magnus map. This map was a clone of the map manufactured in the early stages of Europa Barbarorum's development (0.7.x for R:TW v1.2), although is still pretty much the same as the current map since very little has changed since then.

Although it was origionally designed for v1.2, and the official released will only work on it, other modders have ported it to R:TW v1.3/v1.5 and, later, BI v1.6.

You can download the R:TW v1.3/1.5 version here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=780&act=down) and the BI v1.6 version here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=1406&act=down). The latter version is a .rar file, so will require a program such as 7-zip (http://www.7-zip.org/) to be extracted.

~:)

[Dexter]

"For those whom dont know what they see in the picture, i use mundus magnus, whit a multi temple change ... the rest is vanilla."

Units vanilla, the game more or less vanilla : 3 romans + senate + senate missions, civil war , all factions playable
Changes:
- provincial campagne mundus magnus
- multi temple mod meaning 1 temple can be pantheon (for those factions whom were able to build there ) + 5 others level 2 ( the map is large and i like to have more temples as they worshiped more than one god )
- player1 bug fixer
- changed rebel spawn rate to double
- campagne runs for 500 years
- traits ant ancillaries are harder to get bot positive and negative ones * if it was 2 now is 4 *
- changed events file to be displayed - volcano erupts as in imperial campagne, plagues etc

P.S. : home made "mod" from different sources : player1, and sorry don`t remember whom made the multi temple file, i got mundus magnus from Omanes Alexandrapolites

If could get permission to use these i would upload it if u`r interested Good Ship Chuckle

[The Wandering Scholar]

It is a nice map.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I just think I ought to make you aware that I did not design or participate in the creation of the Mundus Magnus map. It's mainly the work of Dead Moroz and has been upgraded for compatibility with BI and R:TW v1.3/1.5 by a variety of people over time.

~:)

[The Wandering Scholar]

when did moroz pass away?

[Quirinus]

Haha.... I don't think the guy died.... just that his user name is probably Dead Moroz, like how you have "Wandering" in your name.

[The Wandering Scholar]

You can just imagine him as a wandering scholar

[Dexter]

"I just think I ought to make you aware that I did not design or participate in the creation of the Mundus Magnus map. It's mainly the work of Dead Moroz and has been upgraded for compatibility with BI and R:TW v1.3/1.5 by a variety of people over time."

Yes this is true, I just wanted to say thank you, as it was you kind Sir, Omanes Alexandrapolites, whom provided me whit a download link for these files as i was not able to find them. Of course there is the possibility i`m confusing you whit someone else, in that case i offer my apologies.

[Emperor Mithdrates]

Hello there, now it did not happen to me `till now, because i did not like to bribe generals, but in my recent Carthage campagne i bribed just for fun this man, and the next turn it happens .. I was under the impression that these cant have there own families. I wonder if he can have sons. This would be a great source of fun, for me at least.
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Thats happened to me many times.
In fact once I had a greek general with 600 men. in one turn using excelent tactics he defeated two roman armys of 850 men each. Then a pop-up box came up saying the man of the hour and the captain of the army was offerd for adoption and then when i said yes he became part of my family and a General.
Great! :2thumbsup:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Thats happened to me many times.
In fact once I had a greek general with 600 men. in one turn using excelent tactics he defeated two roman armys of 850 men each. Then a pop-up box came up saying the man of the hour and the captain of the army was offerd for adoption and then when i said yes he became part of my family and a General.
Great! :2thumbsup:

What you just described here is the "man of the hour" event .. it happens when your captain led army wins a significant victory over the enemy ... it is not bribing :inquisitive:
bribed general .. it means a foreign familie member who has been bribed to your familie ~:)

[Spartan198]

During a Roman campaign,I had a adoption from an Illyrian Peltast unit that was a Greek. Though he married a Roman wife,his kids had Greek names (a son named Antigonos and two daughters named Leda and Leto). But after them,all the names were Latin (Latin names,I mean,not written in Latin).

No one has mentioned it, but his overview map in bottom left hand corner in the picture has the actual names of the areas (In the picture it says Thracia, Hispania). He must be using a mod or something. But I like it.
I know the units are vanilla,but isn't that the Mundus Magna map (or something like that)?

[Emperor Mithdrates]

What you just described here is the "man of the hour" event .. it happens when your captain led army wins a significant victory over the enemy ... it is not bribing :inquisitive:
bribed general .. it means a foreign familie member who has been bribed to your familie ~:)

Oh wel, he still got his own family and his sons became my general. I'm not complaining.
:surrender2:

[Dexter]

I`m playing again as the Julii, have 45 territories, more than 81 family members, and hope to start the civil war soon. I`m aiming to bribe another roman family member and whit luck to get children. It would be fun to see if i can integrate a rival family. A Scipio as Head of the Julii ... LoL. This will take some time as 1 turn now takes more than 30 minutes, micromanagement + battles ...

Has someone already attempted this ? Had any luck ? Would it be possible to show us 1 print screen ? :bow:

[Quirinus]

During a Roman campaign,I had a adoption from an Illyrian Peltast unit that was a Greek. Though he married a Roman wife,his kids had Greek names (a son named Antigonos and two daughters named Leda and Leto). But after them,all the names were Latin
That's special.. I've never seen something like that before-- does that mean that if I recruit some barbarian mercenaries I might end up with a barbarian adoptee?


Has someone already attempted this ? Had any luck ? Would it be possible to show us 1 print screen ?
I don't have a screenshot, unfortunately, but I bribed a Christian Sarmatian family member while playing as the BI Romano-British once (using professorspatula's faction-unlock mod), and I made him my faction heir and directed him to retake good ol' Sarmatia. Not sure if he ever became king.

EDIT: Actually, I think I might still have the save file somewhere. Let me see if I can find it and take a screenie.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

During a Roman campaign,I had a adoption from an Illyrian Peltast unit that was a Greek. Though he married a Roman wife,his kids had Greek names (a son named Antigonos and two daughters named Leda and Leto). But after them,all the names were Latin (Latin names,I mean,not written in Latin).

Now this is something new ~:shock:
Never seen this in my games ~:(

[Spartan198]

That's special.. I've never seen something like that before-- does that mean that if I recruit some barbarian mercenaries I might end up with a barbarian adoptee?
Certainly possible.

Now this is something new ~:shock:
Never seen this in my games ~:(
It only happened that one time.

[Quirinus]

In my Seleucid game, that happened too, I think. I bribed over an Egyptian family member a long time back, after I put him in charge of Jerusalem (he killed his old man when taking the city :egypt: ), he married him a nice, proper Greek girl and got busy.

His two sons:
https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5970/greeksonth8.th.png (https://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greeksonth8.png)

https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9449/egyptiansonfw9.th.png (https://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=egyptiansonfw9.png)

Note how his first son has a Greek name, but his second son has an Egyptian name. It remains to be seen if their portraits will be Greek and Egyptian respectively, but I don't think I'll stick around that long-- I'm not going keep playing after I destroy the last pathetic Egyptian stronghold at Alexandria.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Interesting situation Quirinus - I'm very curious to know what happens though portrait wise. I'm expecting him to be Greek, although only time will tell us whether he fancies wearing head dresses or not.

~:)

[Dexter]

Wow, it would be nice to see how how it turns out, by the way you did bribe 2 Egyptians no ? I mean the 3. person who has 2 "sons", i presume 1st one bribed and second his biological ? Or perhaps 1st is his biological but whit greek portrait ? And thanx for the screenshots :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Quirinus]

Nah, he was a bribed rebel general. I judged that it was too expensive and time-consuming to muster an army against his half stack army, so I just bribed him. He's a decent general, but pretty old-- fortyish. Is it just me, or are these brigands generals always middle-aged? I've never encountered one below the age of forty.

And yeah, I did employ bribery a lot-- my war with Egypt only started some three to five years before the screenshot-- I was paying them annual tribute as per Omanes's advice. Before the war (and a while after that) I was regularly bribing away Egyptian stacks. The cities of Egypt must be overflowing with Seleucid gold. When I got rich enough I started bribing up-and-coming generals too-- this way I get good generals who have a long career in front of them.

When the war finally started, I pitted son against father, brother against brother, cousin against cousin. I conquered Egypt entirely with bribed family members and mercenaries, which gives you an idea of how pathetic Egyptian resistance was. It's a pity I didn't take any screenshots, it would have made for a nice AAR-- "The Fall of the House of Ptolemy".

[Spartan198]

Is it just me, or are these brigands generals always middle-aged? I've never encountered one below the age of forty.
I got one once that was sixteen,and another that was 28,but the rest were over 40.