Kings vv\'s affect maturing Heirs

[Soeren]

Didnt get any attention to this at DD's site, so i am quoting myself.

QUOTE :

Something i found out today.

I started campain with Spain. King of Spain
has 4 stars and vv "master defender" or something like that. It gives extra 3 stars when defending making King 7 stars when he stays put.

Now...this is odd...if i attack with King same turn Heir is maturing (popping up that is), Heir gets besic 4 start. If i dont attack with King, Heir gets 7 stars

So....

If "master attacker" works same way, you can
harvest some nice Heirs .

Scenario :
King 4 stars + "master attacker" 3 stars
Attack when Heir is coming out, Heir with 7 stars.
Use Heir in combat and make him "master attacker".
Make Heir a King.
Use new 7 star + 3star King to attack while
Heir is popping out....10 stars ?

Havent tryed this attacker thing yet, but
atleast that defender thingy works for me

QUOTE

Still havent tryed that attack part...and yes i know its bug and lame etc.

Soeren

[Yoko Kono]

sounds like a fluke to me

[Soeren]

Mhh...i didnt find word Fluke from my Dictionary. Can you explain it to me http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

EDIT: ( Found one..."lucky shot" or something like that...correct me if thats not it. Well...i have tryed it with 4 different Kings and had about 20 Heirs, so either it works or i am "really" lucky. )

Tested those "skilled attack" vv's and yes,
if your king has em and you use him in atttack while Heir is popping...more Stars it is (for heir that is)

EDIT: ( Btw...when you attack that other "skilled" vv will affect heirs too..so if you get your king both normal "skilled" and that "skilled when attacking superior numbers" you can max your heirs stars in one cycle. )

Soeren

[This message has been edited by Soeren (edited 10-04-2002).]

[Soeren]

Sigh...bumbing this with something new http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

I have been playing both england and spain on expert and found something odd about bad governors vv's.

(i take save every turn as my comp crashes sometimes and i did some loading and calcs)

In my english campain i did following

first 10 turns, 17 provinces, 0 bad vv's
total 15 turns, 23 provinces, 0 bad vv's
total 20 turns, 25 provinces, 3 bad vv's
total 25 turns, 29 provinces,12 bad vv's

and after this i had to change all my governors every 10 turns as they got bad vv's as soon as i gived them a province.

I thougt those bad vv's come with time...
but in my spanish campain i did worse..

first 10 turns, 7 provinces, 0 bad vv's
total 15 turns, 12 provinces, 0 bad vv's
total 20 turns, 16 provinces, 0 bad vv's
total 25 turns, 21 provinces, 0 bad vv's

so...i have now played as long as english, but i dont have ANY bad vv's yet...

Conclusion... there is tricker in game code that starts giving you bad vv's after you get certain number of provinces.

I would be intrested if anyone else has noted same. (or am i hallusinating)

BTW: there might be other factors included this, example Kings acumen, but as both my Kings are about same acumen vice i cant test this.

Soeren

[hrvojej]

I have the same feeling. Either it's related to the number of provinces you have, or to the income, and it may be lessened with lower taxes, but it's unavoidable altogether.

[Soeren]

Checked incomes from both campains

English has 7100 f and they started getting bad vv's.
Spanish has 7600 f and they dont get em.
So its not income.(or i miss some additional factor)

Other note.
In my english campain i had one peasant general. He had 2 good vv's before i promoted him to governer and he hasnt get any bad vv's yet. (60 turns) He is also Lord Great Chamberlain so it might be that its that title that is blocking bad vv's or its his original vv's. (i think its harder to get additional vv's when you have some allready....this is speculation..not a fact.)

Soeren

[Rnold]

For some reason, all my byzantine heirs have either (secret) adultery or incest vv or sometimes both!

[barocca]

I have also noted the lower the level of the unit type the less liklihood of "aquiring" bad V&V's,
have had Urban's that never developed bad V&V's...

have not checked any of the the other theories in this thread

[Tuidjy]

I think it has to do with the number of
provinces. I hold at least half the
map on Expert as the English, and every
governor of mine gets a -10%(at least)
income vice one year after he gets the title.

My taxes have never been anything but
very low since the beginning of the game.
I am simply resigned to it, and I only change
the governor if the vice happens to have a
-10% (or worse) to happiness. For the few
extremely wealthy provinces (Egypt, Antioch,
Poland, etc...) I have governors I have
have groomed for the purpose - it seems
that former rebel leaders (bribed into
service) do not get the vices.