New Bravery Medal For Germany

...but probably no Iron Cross.

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I have never been more ashamed of my politicians (especially SPD) and the defense ministry than I am now. This is the German medal, a symbol of our history from 1813 onwards. Now, because of a few terrible years in our history, these cowards shy away from the symbol that our Bundeswehr still uses.

This is our medal - our fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, and more were all awarded this symbol of German bravery, regardless of the type of government.

Keep our heritage.

I agree.

They need more than medals:

German Soldiers Less Fit Than Civilians

We've got some problems with our military now:

A) Lack of proper traditions
B) A powerful Socialist party that does everything it can do bring the military down
C1) A more Americanized system of drill - bring back the traditional one!
C2) Bring back goosestepping. It's not Nazi.
D) Lack of discipline. This is due to many factors, including those above.

EDIT: I never thought I'd say that I'd honestly consider voting NPD, though I still think they're far too fascist.* I wish we had a conservative party between CDU and NPD. Euroskeptic, slightly nationalist, willing to spend more on the military, willing to increase foreign relations and eastern economy, bring back some national and cultural sentiment, maybe a little monarchist...

*If I voted for them, and they became a fairly decent minority eventually, they would be forced to compromise, and the proposals by them would end up quite moderate when they came out as law.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

C2) Bring back goosestepping. It's not Nazi.

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Neither is the Swastika. Also, I doubt flash is going to make your flabby army better.

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

Neither is the Swastika. Also, I doubt flash is going to make your flabby army better.

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It increases discipline. What the army needs is discipline. Stricter officers, more training, more decent funding for that training. The tradition of the German Army has always been discipline - we need that back.

The army needs discipline in a sense. They can't be Soviet strict, it doesn't work. And I wouldn't think of a Iron Cross award as something to be ashamed of, it's a symbol of Teutonic power for centuries.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Murat

The army needs discipline in a sense. They can't be Soviet strict, it doesn't work.

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They can be as strict as we were before WWI, and they can start with keeping the reserve system intact. I don't see why we should be letting people get out of military or civil service - if we don't have the space, we should make it. We're already spending considerably less than recommended on our military.

The Iron Cross is a evergreen symbol of military bravery, worn by the simple soldier and the officer alike. It did not distinguish between race or class before it became stained with the swastika. Why not bring it back?

Right. So according to said politicians, any brave person previously awarded with this highest merit is tainted with nazism? That's not explicit, but is the implication in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

It increases discipline. What the army needs is discipline. Stricter officers, more training, more decent funding for that training. The tradition of the German Army has always been discipline - we need that back.

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Why?

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Why?

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So they can retake Alsace-Lorraine. Come on, get with the program. ~D

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Why?

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So our military will actually be half-decent again.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

C1) A more Americanized system of drill - bring back the traditional one!

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Switc1ng to the better military system is not a problem at all. And what exactly is the "German" military training?

Western militaries are more or less the same (not the same I know, but much more to modern standards which we have).

The German army is hardly ever deployed in a warzone and hasn't won a major war in over 80 years, is it any surprise they are demoralised and hence overweight?

German military history=overated.

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Originally Posted by Boyar Son

Switc1ng to the better military system is not a problem at all. And what exactly is the "German" military training?

Western militaries are more or less the same (not the same I know, but much more to modern standards which we have).

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The German Military after the Second World War adopted a system almost exactly like America - our military is like a carbon copy in terms of organization and discipline. For our country, that was the wrong way to go.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

The German army is hardly ever deployed in a warzone and hasn't won a major war in over 80 years, is it any surprise they are demoralised and hence overweight?

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That's not the problem. The problem is discipline itself. I don't think anyone in the military looks back and says "oh, great, we lost WWI, I think I'll eat more". It's discipline, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by SFTS

German military history=overated.

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What, almost winning two wars practically alone against the rest of the world?

That's pretty damn decent.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

What, almost winning two wars practically alone against the rest of the world?

That's pretty damn decent.

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Give me ten Texans and I could take over France, Poland and pentrate 300 miles into Russia. Hell I dont even need the head start yall got I will fax the indivudial countries my batallions movements two weeks in advance. The fact of the matter is that all these German fan boys going around singing the praises of the mighty war machine that was Germany are sorley mistaken. The US buried Germany in everything. Personally I dont think its just Germany I think all of Europe has a little Napoleon complex and its becuase despite all there history and perstige They could never take down the Russians or the Americans. Give me a Japeneese solider now that was an enemy.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure this is the place.

I thought the Blue Max was the top honor.

EDIT: ah, they changed it. I like both the Iron Cross and the name "Blue Max" though.

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

I thought the Blue Max was the top honor.

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Yes, "back in the day".

Now, if they use the Blue Max instead of the Iron Cross, I probably won't have any objections. No Nazi connotations whatsoever, a proud history, and it hasn't been butchered by biker gangs.

Good suggestion. :2thumbsup:

I'm not really surprised by anything in this thread. Except I never heard of the blue max before, may want to look that up sometime.

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Originally Posted by Husar

I'm not really surprised by anything in this thread.

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Nor am I. Did you mean that with a positive, negative, or neutral connotation?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You may know the Blue Max better as the Pour le Mérite.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Give me ten Texans and I could take over France, Poland and pentrate 300 miles into Russia. Hell I dont even need the head start yall got I will fax the indivudial countries my batallions movements two weeks in advance. The fact of the matter is that all these German fan boys going around singing the praises of the mighty war machine that was Germany are sorley mistaken. The US buried Germany in everything. Personally I dont think its just Germany I think all of Europe has a little Napoleon complex and its becuase despite all there history and perstige They could never take down the Russians or the Americans. Give me a Japeneese solider now that was an enemy.

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ROAD TRIP.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

ROAD TRIP.

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+1.

Either you are gifted with stupidity or sarcasm. I hope for the latter :clown:

New bravery medal for doing what exactly, germany doesn't do combat missions. And keep the iron cross, not fair to those who earned it to link it to the nazi's.

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The army was, he said, "full of fatties ... making us the laughing stock abroad where we're seen as overweight grumpy old men ... compared to the British, we're viewed as pathetic."

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Now that has got to hurt...:clown:

BTW I don't think STFT was being ENTIRELY serious when he said that he could take over France, Poland and penetrate 300 miles into Russia with ten Texans. He'd need at least a full platoon, surely.

Who does Germany have to fight? This Blue Lotus thing sounds interesting.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Personally I dont think its just Germany I think all of Europe has a little Napoleon complex

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And this comes from a Texan?:shocked2: