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i am a self taught man, so all my information comes from books. i have always been curious how to pronounce those two things
i assume pyrrhus is pie-rus and canae is can-eye, but then there is the phrase phyrric victory, and that makes me wonder if its fy-rus
seems to be a few history buffs here, so i thought i'd ask
Native pronounciation: pee-ros (pee-raws) and cah-neh (like Cannes in french but add a pronounced e at the end)
Anglicized: don't know pyrrhus, but canae would be canay (usually)
thanks, your sig is creepy
Yeah I know I've seen them before, it gives u the feeling that the person could enter your pc without a problem and hack your bank account and stuff like that.
Pier-ic victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shabby_Ronin
The problem with 'phonetic' descriptions of words (e.g. I pronounce pyrrhic "pirrick") is that even these broken down elements may end up being pronounced differently depending on where you're from.
You can find descriptions on pronunciation using more standardised phonetic alphabets to represent the actual sounds, but presumably you cannot actually understand them (I certainly can't) without being taught by someone who can actually produce the sounds as a demonstration (otherwise you run into the same problem).
In any case, I can confidently tell you that the P in Pyrrhus is hard, not soft (fyrrhus).
PyrrhusQuote:
Originally Posted by Shabby_Ronin
The Latin Y at the time stood for the Greek Upsilon, which had a sound similar to the German U in über if long and French U in tu if short. In the actual Greek, it would have an -os ending with the Omicron pronounced similar to the O in go. The H in the name indicates an aspiration of the vowel before it. it is pretty subtle and I doubt anyone would call you out on it if you didn't include it.
Pyr'rhos.
Cannae
Mostly correct how you have it, but you forgot the second N.
Can'nae
actually in ancient greek of the time it would be PU-RRHOS. (double R must be intonated as such)
The adjective should be Pyrrhic. I really don't know where that h after the P came from, I guess it got transfered from the end.
No "ae" in latin sounds like "aye" in english Cannae is properly pronounced as Can naye
thanks guys, so i was about right with cannae, and i wouldnt be called a dunce by saying pie-rus? for a dumb american
How do you pronounce two Rs like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by keravnos
Aye in English sounds the same as eye in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownOfSwords
I stand by abou on this one.
anyways, the sig for Ayce s my ISP address. he's had it there for a month and a half now (much to my annoyance):wall: :wall: :furious3:.
That's not how his sig works. Ayce doesn't even know what your IP would be as it only displays for each individual person viewing the webpage their own statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
For example, when I view I see my own stats and no one else's.
The greek word for Pyrrhus is Πύρρος and in modern Greek is pronounced Piros.
But in ancient times it must have been PU-RRHOS, as keravnos said.
The name comes from the word πυρ that means fire.
The first to have that name was the son of Achilles, because of the colour of his hair that was red like the fire. He was the one who founded the kingdom of Epeiros.
Right, but how can there be two Rs pronounced like that? Everything I know of Greek and Latin, in fact linguistics, points to the first R closing the first syllable: Pyr'rhos.
A word of clear indoeuropean origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcaravel
Would it have any link with pure/purify?
This comes from me saying "pur'rhos, purrhos" a few times, and as such is hardly an extensive study, but I think it may lengthen the r rather than roll it. Although rolling it is another possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
Ayce's IP thing is of especial interest to me because it gives a different ISP to the one I actually pay. I suspect subcontracting.
I'm not 100% sure about greek, but if it's a geminate r, then it probably indicates a trill as opposed to a flap. Trills are notorious for being ambisyllabic. I believe the 'h' indicates that the rhotic (whether it is a trill or flap) is voiceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
If you learn the principles underlying phonetic alphabets then it's fairly easy to reproduce some version of most sounds with a little practice. You just have to pay attention to where your tongue is in your mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
Hmm, the way it's written forces me to pronounce that r as a trill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
I don't know about your ISP, but mine's SMN, and it gives me Jump Network Services SRL (Ltd.), but that's because SMN is part of InterLAN and Jump Network Services provides the hardware for this association of service providers.
EDIT: Doesn't anyone know if πυρ is linked with pure/purity?
I don't know exactly the etymology of his latin ancestor "purus".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayce
But it would be possible that the roman term "purus" have some ancient connexion with pyr and so with fire.
There are two indoeuropean words for fire, *péH₂wr̥- (bonfire), and *H₁égni- (fire). Some languages chose between them, or some chose both for different terms.
Latin chose the second, "ignis". But maybe "purus" came from the first. I don't know.
But greek chose the first - pyr.
Æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ !
I say "firrick" and "Kanne". Pretty much how it sounds.
I say piros, pirick victory and can-ay.
Is that h in pyrrhos ever pronounced as an "i" sound? I understand "Ieraclis" is one possible pronounciation for Herakles. Of course thats an initial h, maybe there's diff'rent rules for such things.
that explains why everyone laughs when I complain that my ISP is on the internet for all to see...guess the joke's on me-again:laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by abou