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Like many, I was looking forward to playing MTW. I enjoyed Shogun and loved the atmosphere, but unfortunately I'm interested in Medieval history esp Warfare in Middle Ages. MTW came close to making a real gem that I would have loved - heres what they did wrong....
- We all miss the lovely videos in STW! When I lost a game this picture came up reminding me of Civilization 1 from 1990!
- Epic battles with more than 10,000 men? Try playing battle after battle chasing around 100 Clansmen in Scotland. Granted some computers do have trouble with many sprites.
- Micro Management! Shogun had some micro management, but MTW has gone overboard. The idea of awarding titles nad marrying Pincess is a cutsy idea, but it also gives you headaches at 2 AM. I liken these things as novelties to the first 10 turns, after that its like pulling teeth and you hoping your wife wont pump out so many damn girls.
- MOST importantly. I do believe the castle sieges are being corrected in the patch. However, the entire system must be radically changed. Its ashame to have such beautiful sieges and theres no point to them. I'm in the year 1250 as English and have about half of Europe - I havnt conducted one siege attack and I'm on hard difficulty.
- Sieges must be radically altered so there is an immense amount of strategy to go with it. Also the sieger himself might be in dire straights without siege weapons - e.g. the guy sieging a castle must pay extra cost or HE could lose guys from desertion disease, etc.
- Historically Medieval battles were rare and sieges are constant. How many of you have just clicked resolve after the 20th battle in the same turn? By enhacning the siege portion of the game, more players would be more likely to garrison inside their castles and battles would be rarer. This would be a GOOD thing - when a battle does occur players would look forward to fighting out because its not one after another. Also, battles suddenly become more critical and important giving meaning to it in the first place.
- Make it HARD to take a province. I believe by making castle sieges much more advantageous for the defender taking a province actually becomes a real challenge. I'm tired like many of you of taking all of Europe. The best England ever did - lets see they took 3 or 4 provinces in France - the English had one hell of a time taking Whales and Scotland. Yea I had a real blast taking Wales - lets see I fought like 100 guys and took wales in the year 1100, that was alot of fun, *putting in Shogun CD in drive, deleting MTW files*
- Overall objectives should be focused on glorious objectives etc. This is NOT civilization here. Personally I feel bored taking Europe - its never been done historically and taking it ever damn time makes me bored *yawning falling asleep*
- Taking provinces just became harder with tougher sieges. Also tougher sieges adds a whole new strategy element to the game. What about rams? Siege towers with wheels (what are those called again)? earthworks? moats? Sieges could become a game within themselves instead of cool that was fun now how should I win the game here spending all my money on useless siege equipment or letting the garrison fall without siege.
- All in all, the whole game hinges on how the Siege works out. I want a real challenge here, and a historical challenge. I was looking forward to some exciting battles with the scots and french such as 100 years war (playing Engalish) its the year 1200 I killed all the Scots, Welsh , and destroyed France. What fun.
- Titles, Princesses, taxes *falling alseep*
I miss the pretty litle videos dont you?
- Expansion, anyone?
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I remember this one time, when I wanted to whine about something. Yup, had ourselves a search button back then, so we wouldnt have to start a whole new topic on the issue, thus clogging up the boards.
What? there still is a search button? Well I'll be!
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As an amatuer historian, and an informed buyer, I have a qualified right to evaluate my forty bucks. Dont get me wrong, MTW is fine game, I am not saying its terrible in any right. I'm simply declaring what changes will make this game better than any other. There is a difference between educated or constructed complaints and whining. It wouldnt suprise me if my changes I have shown here will be implemented in an expansion. Scholars and educated people can see the difference between constructive criticism and whining. Evidently you do not fit in that category.
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I understand what you're saying. Some of what you said can be implemented as the game is now. Just leave maybe one unit in your keep or castle, and then use the rest of your armies elsewhere. If that unit is the governor or whatever, and he has high dread, that should keep loyalty up somewhat. Also, if the game is too easy, play it on expert, not hard.
So factions to try would be the Spanish, see if you can stand up to the Almohad onslaught on expert. Maybe try the Polish and take on the HRE. Or, the Russians. Their provinces are not very rich, and in a few hundred years you'll have Mongols to deal with. You can always do things to make the game harder. And try different tactics if it gets boring.
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Thanks for your tips Nobunaga. Yea I still have to try it on expert. I'm just such a big "fan" of the english wars vs Wales and Scotland, and vs France, I was a little disapointed in that arena. Yea I'll have to "broaden" out my horizons to other civs too. I think a patch would be great but an expansion would make this game a real gem. P.S. how do you cut and paste comments, I'm new here and not too smart!
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Quote Originally posted by Richard the Slayer:
Thanks for your tips Nobunaga. Yea I still have to try it on expert. I'm just such a big "fan" of the english wars vs Wales and Scotland, and vs France, I was a little disapointed in that arena. Yea I'll have to "broaden" out my horizons to other civs too. I think a patch would be great but an expansion would make this game a real gem. P.S. how do you cut and paste comments, I'm new here and not too smart![/QUOTE]
thats for sure
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This is directed to Nial Black Knee.
Why did you attack the poster?
He has presented a valid and well-reasoned critique of the game.
Are you normally a jerk, or are you just having a bad day?
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In terms of making it harder to take a province, There where many areas in Medieval History (the Tuetons relied on Castles) that had mare than 1 castle so why not have 3 or 4 castles that u can build in an area?
Bust a Move
[This message has been edited by Ticondarova (edited 10-26-2002).]
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Richard,
Your points are well taken. I think the castles and landscapes are beautiful, but I do get tired of the endless battles, many of which I auto-calc (thank God their results are fair!).
I probably shouldn't be discussing other games in this forum, but Lords of the Realm III is supposedly due out within the next six months (with luck). If you are such a fan of sieges and the whole British/Welsh/Scottish scene (as I am), you should check it out.
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Quote Originally posted by Swisspike:
This is directed to Nial Black Knee.
Why did you attack the poster?
Are you normally a jerk, or are you just having a bad day?[/QUOTE]
Swisspike, that was NOT an attack, and the following comment serves NO purpose, but to incite. Please chill on that type of thing.
Gentlemen, in the .org there are certain accepted conventions. This is not the .com site, so it would be nice to try to understand and accept these conventions.
One of these, conventions is to try and limit New Threads on Old Topics; and its generally expected that those NEW to the .org should utilize the forum's Search feature BEFORE creating a new thread.
Generally and in most cases the answer to a particular question has been previously posted and expanded upon.
Also, the same can be said for "Topic" threads, such as this one. By reviewing the threads, it is hoped that NEW angles of discussions will take place further expanding a topic, rather than CONTINUALLY Re-hashing the same ole, same ole.
Below you'll find 3 searchs that you may find helpful and/or intersting. Thank you for listening.
Castle: http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/ubb/search.cgi
Siege: http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/ubb/search.cgi
MTW: http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/ubb/search.cgi
