White America will be minority by 2042

¡Ola, amigos Americanos! In a few decades whites will no longer be the majority in the Estados Unidos.

Among the young ones the pace is even faster: by 2023, more than half of all children will be from minorities. I wonder what American members think of this development.

¿What about the language for instance?
Already tens of millions of Americans don't speak a word of English, many more can neither read or write it, and by the looks of it they won't have to.

The Hispanic population is projected to nearly triple, from 46.7 million to 132.8 million, from 2008 through 2050, the Census Bureau said. Its share of the total U.S. population is expected to double from 15 to 30 percent. The African-American population is projected to increase from 41.1 million to 65.7 million by 2050, going from 14 percent of the U.S. population to 15 percent. The Asian-American population is expected to increase from 15.5 million to 40.6 million, or from 5.1 percent to 9.2 percent of the population.

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Discuss please.

I won't cry over the fact that Waspy McWaspers will no longer be the majority here. As far as the practical implications of it go, there won't be any really. 1st generation immigrants might not learn English, but the 2nd generation almost universally becomes 100% Americanized. If they manage to keep some of their ethnic flavor, even better. We are a nation of immigrants and no single ethnic group can claim primacy here. Soooo, all is well.

Don't think it really matters there.

Dang it! By then I'll be too old and senile to know that I'll have to press "2" (instead of "1") for english when I call a business.

It really doesn't matter; being American has nothing to do with ethnicity or skin color. It's about watching television, driving a car and drinking beer. Maybe all at the same time. Guns are optional in the North, mandatory in the South.

'Nuff said.

Which is why it is so important to get affirmative action laws off of the books now. Imagine if we are a minority and the laws are still unfairly targeting us? That would essentially mean that the non-white majority would have preferential treatment in law. Couple this with the idea that unsustainable immigration rates don't allow for certain western ideals to shine through - namely the freedoms that make this nation so unique. I don't care about English as a language, but the ideals of Freedom are not so uniformly shared by other cultures.

Say what you will, but the nations which the majority of our immigrants are beginning to arrive from have sham democracies that don't respect the individual and cultures that largely ignore even the precept of impartiality.

This is not a tirade against immigration - rather a reason to have a fair and sustainable system that benefits freedom, the nation and the immigrant rather than just the immigrant.

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

Which is why it is so important to get affirmative action laws off of the books now...

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Affirmative Action is on its way out. In fact, that might be one of the positive things that might happen if The Obamination manages to grab the presidency: the Old Guard of the civil rights movement will be left with nothing to cry about. Hence, dropping AA will become easier. Cali did it, so did Michigan (at least partially). The rest will follow.

Whites will still be the largest group though. Glad to see most Americans don't really care about it. Your skin doesn't determine who you are.

*In reply to the thread title*

...Your point being?

Its not like its going to cause a problem, most are going to have learn english anyway!, and besides what do you expect from a country like the USA, its going to attract alot of immigrants, (its been doing that since the late 19th century, correct me if im wrong, im not much of a american historian) and anyway, this is only going to happen if the number of migrants is the same or higher as there are now!

Being born and raised in South Texas I've been a minority my whole life. And I find the whole Mexicans don't speak english thing as the biggest misnomer this side of the pecos. If you are under 70 you speak english no matter what you're standing in life. I would also point out that this doesn't affect me at all due to the fact I have more in common with a mexican here than a white man in Nebraska or Iowa.

I would like to say that the US outta be making English a requirement or at least the nation's official language.

I am an immigrant myself and must say why the hell are you in the United States if you don't want to learn English. Come on, that is just ridiculous. I know that in many areas that you don't necessarily to need to know English to live comfortably, but you should at least make an effort to integrate into the country....

Anyways, regarding affirmative action. It is so ironic that it is actually going against the Asian minorities for college and graduate admisions. Generally, lets take a 100 point scale or something, a 80 from an Asian is equivalent to a 75 from a Caucasian to a 70 from an African-American/Hispanic. Very very infuriating here.....

I would also like to point out that with an increased number of minorities, the priorities of the American government will be changed. With a majority of European immigrants, we focused on European issues. With increased diversification, we would 'spread the love' even farther then we currently do.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Murat

I would also like to point out that with an increased number of minorities, the priorities of the American government will be changed. With a majority of European immigrants, we focused on European issues. With increased diversification, we would 'spread the love' even farther then we currently do.

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No we wont. Yall really haven't had much contact with 2nd and 3rd generation mexican americans have you?

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

No we wont. Yall really haven't had much contact with 2nd and 3rd generation mexican americans have you?

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Agreed. Latinization of the U.S. is by all means a false alarm. The integrity of this country will be unassailable for as long as we stand head and shoulders above everyone else both in terms of economic prosperity *AND* freedom. Gotta have them both or it won't work.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Yall really haven't had much contact with 2nd and 3rd generation mexican americans have you?

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None at all, Sir. That's why yall is asking. :wink:

Actually I was wondering particularly about the language, though of course culture and politics have a role in this. Particularly with regard to Hispanic immigration.

I read more and more articles about confrontations in the small columns of U.S. newspapers. Like the Equal Opportunities Commission suing the Salvation Army for firing clerks who refuse to learn or speak English. Or about Spanish schools financed by Mexico on U.S. territory where all books written by 'whites' are banned. Or Arizona schools that teach 'Raza Programs' and use textbooks that are anti-white and advocate erasing the U.S.-Mexican border and a Hispanic 'take-over' of the American South-West.

Another issue is immigration law. Most Americans demand stricter immigration policies, particularly measures against illegal immigration from Mexico. Yet both McCain and Obama support giving legal status to millions of illegal immigrants (again) simply because they have to pander to Hispanic voters (dubbed the 'Hispanic hurdle').

Maybe Samuel Huntington is right that the inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two cultures, because unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves—from Los Angeles to Miami? Hispanic youth have an underclass culture with high school dropout rates, teen birth rates and crime rates, and there seems to be no upward trend from one generation to the next.

And is there not a marked difference between Latin American immigrants and previous immigrants in that the former, for the first time, stake historic claims to American territory? It is easy to see what this ethnic devision can lead to. Antonio Villaraigosa, anyone?

Just asking yall.

Not to worry, I'll be in my dotage by then and won't notice. I'll just have to brush up on important hispanic phrases like "Camarero, dos cervezas por favor" and I'll *hic* get by.

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

Just asking yall.

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"I read more and more articles about confrontations in the small columns of U.S. newspapers. Like the Equal Opportunities Commission suing the Salvation Army for firing clerks who refuse to learn or speak English." -- another question is...how did those guys get hired in the first place? Was English not a job requirement? If not, they why fire them for something that was overlooked when hiring them?

"about Spanish schools financed by Mexico on U.S. territory where all books written by 'whites' are banned. Or Arizona schools that teach 'Raza Programs' and use textbooks that are anti-white and advocate erasing the U.S.-Mexican border and a Hispanic 'take-over' of the American South-West." -- Private schools always have and always will be allowed to teach whatever the heck they want. I have no problems with it. As long as the taxpayers money is not being spent I'm cool with it. If you show me these kinds of shenanigans in public schools, Ill get mad very quickly.
As far as the realistic secession of the South-West.... it's just not going to happen. Military intervention aside, Mexico simply has *nothing* to offer to the people of South-West. Not a darn thing. Thus, any secessionist movements in the South-West will go the way of Michigan Militia...i.e. a few crazies raving about their crazy cause and reveling in their own craziness.

"Maybe Samuel Huntington is right that the inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two cultures, because unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves—from Los Angeles to Miami? Hispanic youth have an underclass culture with high school dropout rates, teen birth rates and crime rates, and there seems to be no upward trend from one generation to the next." -- So far, I do not see this as a threat at all. Miami has been basically a Cuban city for a looooong time, and those Cubans are staunchly pro-American and for the most part good old Republicans. High school dropouts? Slightly better than Black dropout rates. That's an issue of economics, not of culture. Poverty is color blind.

"Antonio Villaraigosa" -- what about him?

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

None at all, Sir. That's why yall is asking. :wink:

Actually I was wondering particularly about the language, though of course culture and politics have a role in this. Particularly with regard to Hispanic immigration.

I read more and more articles about confrontations in the small columns of U.S. newspapers. Like the Equal Opportunities Commission suing the Salvation Army for firing clerks who refuse to learn or speak English. Or about Spanish schools financed by Mexico on U.S. territory where all books written by 'whites' are banned. Or Arizona schools that teach 'Raza Programs' and use textbooks that are anti-white and advocate erasing the U.S.-Mexican border and a Hispanic 'take-over' of the American South-West.

Another issue is immigration law. Most Americans demand stricter immigration policies, particularly measures against illegal immigration from Mexico. Yet both McCain and Obama support giving legal status to millions of illegal immigrants (again) simply because they have to pander to Hispanic voters (dubbed the 'Hispanic hurdle').

Maybe Samuel Huntington is right that the inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two cultures, because unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves—from Los Angeles to Miami? Hispanic youth have an underclass culture with high school dropout rates, teen birth rates and crime rates, and there seems to be no upward trend from one generation to the next.

And is there not a marked difference between Latin American immigrants and previous immigrants in that the former, for the first time, stake historic claims to American territory? It is easy to see what this ethnic devision can lead to. Antonio Villaraigosa, anyone?

Just asking yall.

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Most of what you get from an outsiders perspective is alarmism. While their is a group within the Hispanic community which is really balls to the wall take our land back. You will find many of them are older people fueled by things such as Operation wetback and ethnic intimidation. While they do find followers in the poorest sections of the immigrant community. I find it is not so much an ethnic issue as one of Socio-economic standing. As the middle and upper class mexicans are usually fully assimilated Americans. An example is the Rio Grande Valley in Texas a place which is 90% mexican if not more. It is alarming how many of these people DONT speak a lick of Spanish. The reason being? there is no "upper" white class to rebel against. Many little Mexican girls now clamor for hannah Montana and many little Mexican boys now clamor for the cowboys. So as far as Im concerned Mr.Hunington can shove it.

Mark my words in 20 years Blacks will still be the most ostracized group in America

PS I know this was hard to follow so feel free to ask more! I really want to give people the truth

PPS Did you ever fry the turkery?

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Most of what you get from an outsiders perspective is alarmism.

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I know that from reading all the stories about Europe turning into 'Eurabia'. I deliberately chose Huntington because he wrote similar crap about my continent. But my original question had more to do with cultural issues, not possible Mexican take-overs or revolts or whatever H. is on about. Is the U.S. going to be a different country or not. Most seem to think it isn't.

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PPS Did you ever fry the turkery?

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The sucker never made it to the frying pan. I decided that following your lead and doing this is my backyard would be irresponsible with many small kids around. But one day I will.

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

Maybe Samuel Huntington is right that the inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two cultures, because unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves—from Los Angeles to Miami? Hispanic youth have an underclass culture with high school dropout rates, teen birth rates and crime rates, and there seems to be no upward trend from one generation to the next.

And is there not a marked difference between Latin American immigrants and previous immigrants in that the former, for the first time, stake historic claims to American territory? It is easy to see what this ethnic devision can lead to. Antonio Villaraigosa, anyone?

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This post highlights the major issues that I have with current immigration policies. I'm no bigot - I think Hispanics are great; They tend to be Catholic, they speak a Romance language, they have inexorable ties to Europe and a lively culture.

I don't care if 90% of the nation is hispanic or if we all speak Spanish - as long as the cultural values of freedom, education and safety are respected. I'm an Irish American - English is the language that I speak because I have to, but 2 languages that pull in different directions will lead to division rather than the melting pot.

We need to have some sense about this issue.

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I don't care if 90% of the nation is hispanic or if we all speak Spanish

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Your country does care. It won't be good for the American pride.

The integration of more Latinos into the US’s melting pot is ok with me as long as we as a nation can give them a proper and realistic path to citizenship and that they learn the language. In the US the language of success, as they call it, is definitely English and I have encountered it many times where someone is unable to communicate and it affects many other people whether in line at the shopping center or in a classroom.

It has been my experience that most Latinos are religious (Christian/catholic) and have strong family values, a welcome addition to my neighborhood. Their quality of living/poverty level is concerning to me as many of them have arrived illegally they are not eligible for some good jobs and education that others have available to them causing them to resort to criminal activities*. Without being able to be a strong earner they can also cause the rest of the family to “carry” them, effectively bringing the entire family down or at least minimizing the family’s social standing growth, possibility keeping them in a poor area that breeds crime and ignorance.

It may not seem like a big deal but a person or two extra to care for, especially if they are young, old or criminal, can really factor into a families dynamic and how they are treated within their community.

I welcome my spicy southern friends but please obey the laws and learn to communicate with me so we can build a friendship. ~:cheers:


*IIRC 20% of Michigan’s Prison population is made up of illegal Latinos.

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

I know that from reading all the stories about Europe turning into 'Eurabia'. I deliberately chose Huntington because he wrote similar crap about my continent. But my original question had more to do with cultural issues, not possible Mexican take-overs or revolts or whatever H. is on about. Is the U.S. going to be a different country or not. Most seem to think it isn't.The sucker never made it to the frying pan. I decided that following your lead and doing this is my backyard would be irresponsible with many small kids around. But one day I will.

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Texas and California seem to be doing alright so yes I honestly believe the USA will not change very much if at all in the realm of culture. I would also like to point out on the whole Mexican and American culture isnt that different from each other as Tuff Stuff seems to think

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Texas and California seem to be doing alright so yes I honestly believe the USA will not change very much if at all in the realm of culture. I would also like to point out on the whole Mexican and American culture isnt that different from each other as Tuff Stuff seems to think

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What? I think that they are very similar in many ways and I like Hispanics. Where did I suggest that we were somehow so totally different?

Ugh. Our country administrated by mexicans or africans. Ugh.

My city started going downhill when the first black mayor was elected. The more black people given managerial and administrative positions, the worse things have gotten. Crime is amazingly high, education is terrible, corruption is rampent, and the quality of basic services has fallen... like a little Zimbabwe.

Theres another opinion for ya Adrian.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

Ugh. Our country administrated by mexicans or africans. Ugh.

My city started going downhill when the first black mayor was elected. The more black people given managerial and administrative positions, the worse things have gotten. Crime is amazingly high, education is terrible, corruption is rampent, and the quality of basic services has fallen... like a little Zimbabwe.

Theres another opinion for ya Adrian.

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Africans? Blacks are more American than most Whites.

I'd like someone to explain to me what's so sacred about the friggin english language. The ones with the loudest mouths about english being sacred seem to be immigrants who learned it well enough and think that's the be all and end all of citizenship and anyone who doesn't bother must be some disrespectful cultural parasite.

I like english, it sounds pretty to me, and it seems to have a sort of precision to it lacking in other languages. But I feel this way maybe because I have never ever bothered to learn another language so I have nothing to even compare to.

I say screw it, let the best or most overwhelming tongue win.

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Blacks are more American than most Whites.

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Great logic.

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I'd like someone to explain to me what's so sacred about the friggin english language.

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I'll take a stab at it. The English Language is commonly embraced in the United States because many of the immigrants to the United States are from Britain or Ireland. There are large groups of Russians, Italians, Germans, etc. but for the most part they knew or learned the English Language. As such, with continued Latino immigration (in many cases illegal), they fail to learn English either through ineptitude or apathy. Some do learn English, some don't. So in order to accommodate (illegal) Latinos, we must start learning Spanish. This has spread from construction and manual labor to include telemarketers and schools. Schools especially, where public teachers and principals need to learn Spanish to speak to students and parents. Waste of time and money, ensuring that someone well qualified also be bilingual. It's also a safety issue, where illegal immigrants cannot understand instructions in the event of a catastrophe.

I wouldn't have a problem with it, if there was a large Spanish population already, but the recent influx and stubbornness is frustrating.
While like Polish immigrants speaking Polish to their children, the immigrants learned English, or their children learned both, and the grandchildren learned only English. However, due to the large amount of Latino immigrants and the strong family values, they can speak in Spanish to parents, neighbors, etc. without needing to learn English.

I don't really have a problem with it now, after seeing all the safety instructions the Italians have to put up for the Brits, French, and Germans. America has it easy.

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If you are under 70 you speak english no matter what you're standing in life.

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I've worked with immigrants near the Canadian border who are well under 70 and don't speak English.

I view English as important only as a unifying device - so that all people of this country can communicate with one another, so we don't need interpreters to talk to other citizens. And all the more practical advantages.

CR

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I've worked with immigrants near the Canadian border who are well under 70 and don't speak English.

I view English as important only as a unifying device - so that all people of this country can communicate with one another, so we don't need interpreters to talk to other citizens. And all the more practical advantages.

CR

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Maybe its the unique position of San Antonio A city which prides itself on being the center of Mexican Tejano German Czech and Polish culture in South Texas. As much as I like espouse my city its probably not that. Many immigrants who go that far north have no intentions to stay here. For all the alarmism thats out their. The fact is many migrants return home. And none are really concerned with La Raza. I speak from a unique position many immigrants who settled in Texas are now in the 2nd 3rd and 4th generations. Hell some mexicans were here before I was. I suspect that is the difference the fact that many down here started life here. Mexicans are just the same as all who came before them but with better food and better women (barring the Italians on both counts)