Into What Religion Were You Born Or Raised?

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10-30-2008, 00:07
ICantSpellDawg

Into What Religion Were You Born Or Raised?

Well?
10-30-2008, 00:08
Tristuskhan

Re: Into What Religion Were You Born Or Raised?

None. Absolutely none. And it suits me: no God, no Lord.
10-30-2008, 00:11
CountArach

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I was raised a non-pracitising Baptist and I was headed down the path of Evangelism (By personal choice) until I was about 13, when I started to become much more Moderate and inquiring about my religion. I slowly sliped into rejecting almost all of the Biblical teachings and I was an Atheist at about 16.
10-30-2008, 00:12
ICantSpellDawg

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Originally Posted by CountArach

I was raised a non-pracitising Baptist and I was headed down the path of Evangelism (By personal choice) until I was about 13, when I started to become much more Moderate and inquiring about my religion. I slowly sliped into rejecting almost all of the Biblical teachings and I was an Atheist at about 16.

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10-30-2008, 00:13
seireikhaan

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Raised Roman Catholic. Currently still trying to figure stuff out.
10-30-2008, 00:15
Tristuskhan

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

click an answer!

Sorry some can't since they were not born or raised in ANY religion.
10-30-2008, 00:17
ICantSpellDawg

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Originally Posted by Tristuskhan

Sorry some can't since they were not born or raised in ANY religion.

Non-Religious Agnostic doesn't suit you?

Atheist doesn't suit you?

Fine, then don't click an answer.
10-30-2008, 00:18
Koga No Goshi

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My dad was baptized into Pentecostal, but never practiced.

My mom "discovered" Lutheran (had a background more in Baptist denominations) around the time I was a young kid and so I attended Lutheran K-8 education. Occasionally attended service, in the 8th grade I walked out of the last session of confirmation classes, so, I'm agnostic.
10-30-2008, 00:21
Tristuskhan

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

Non-Religious Agnostic doesn't suit you?

Atheist doesn't suit you?

Fine, then don't click an answer.

Non-religious agnostic does not suit me, since it leaves some room for mystic feelings, things I have not.

And atheïsm is not a religion, mind you (but I suppose the debate already took place often in the backroom).

Why did not you include a "Gah!" option in this poll? For those who grew up in famillies where religion was just a non-issue?
10-30-2008, 00:25
ICantSpellDawg

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Originally Posted by Tristuskhan

Non-religious agnostic does not suit me, since it leaves some room for mystic feelings, things I have not.

And atheïsm is not a religion, mind you (but I suppose the debate already took place often in the backroom).

Why did not you include a "Gah!" option in this poll? For those who grew up in families where religion was just a non-issue?

Because "Atheist" suggests that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
10-30-2008, 00:30
Tristuskhan

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

Because "Atheist" suggests that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

As you say: religions are just non-issues for Atheists, so classifying Atheism as a religion is as insulting for an Atheist as classifying religions as "superstitions" is for a Believer.
10-30-2008, 00:37
Evil_Maniac From Mars

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I was born to parents of two seperate Christian denominations, but they did not raise me as a Christian. I was not baptized, and baptized as a Catholic when I was a teenager, something which was entirely my own choice. Therefore, I won't vote in the poll.
10-30-2008, 00:39
rvg

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Born orthodox, raised atheist. Eventually came back to christianity. Love orthodox dogma, hate orthodox clergy, so I picked the next best thing and became catholic (thanks exclusively to John Paul II).
10-30-2008, 00:44
Tristuskhan

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

I was born to parents of two seperate Christian denominations, but I was not raised as a Christian. I was not baptized, and baptized as a Catholic when I was a teenager, something which was entirely my own choice. Therefore, I won't vote in the poll.

One more reason why there should be room for a "none" option in the poll. I was raised by atheists who did not tell me about religion at all. I discovered it when I was something like eight years old with schoolmates who went to Catechism (or whatever you call it, sorry for the spelling...), and was definitely not interested. And I began making my opinion when I was a teenager.
10-30-2008, 01:03
Strike For The South

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Southern Baptist. Thats right those crazies you see on Tv? I break bread with them! MAHAUHAUHAHUAUHAHUAUHAHAUUHA
10-30-2008, 01:04
Koga No Goshi

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Southern Baptist. Thats right those crazies you see on Tv? I break bread with them! MAHAUHAUHAHUAUHAHUAUHAHAUUHA

Lies! The Church of Beer is not a real religion!
10-30-2008, 01:05
Louis VI the Fat

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Tuff, TristusKhan was born 'ni dieu, ni maître'. It is a classification in itself.

The concept doesn't translate well into an American cultural context. Americans have five hundred religions and one broad concept of atheism. France is divided into one broad concept 'religious' and five hundred different ways of radical non-religiousness. :shrug:

By the standards of this poll, you can mark Tristus down as a Roman Catholic. (~;p)

I am a baptised Catholic. But not Roman! :whip:
But I'l spare you this distinction.
10-30-2008, 01:06
Koga No Goshi

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Tuff, TristusKhan was born 'ni dieu, ni maître'. It is a classification in itself.

The concept doesn't translate well into an American cultural context. Americans have five hundred religions and one broad concept of atheism. France is divided into one broad concept 'religious' and five hundred different ways of radical non-religiousness. :shrug:

By the standards of this poll, you can mark Tristus down as a Roman Catholic. (~;p)

I am a baptised Catholic. But not Roman! :whip:
But I'l spare you this distinction.

Could you give us a cultural approximation or explanation of the French term? I'm curious to know.
10-30-2008, 01:09
Strike For The South

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Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Lies! The Church of Beer is not a real religion!

I have a convention
10-30-2008, 01:13
Koga No Goshi

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I have a convention

Ah kin see you've never been to one of awr revaivals..
10-30-2008, 01:13
Sarmatian

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Both my parents are Orthodox, but in reality they're Atheists/Agnostics. I wasn't baptized at birth (communism and all that), but did it out of my own volition a couple of years ago. So, I'm officially orthodox but in reality I'm an agnostic...

BTW, what's the point of the thread? Doing a research, Tuff?
10-30-2008, 01:15
Strike For The South

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Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Ah kin see you've never been to one of awr revaivals..

amateurs
10-30-2008, 01:20
ICantSpellDawg

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Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Both my parents are Orthodox, but in reality they're Atheists/Agnostics. I wasn't baptized at birth (communism and all that), but did it out of my own volition a couple of years ago. So, I'm officially orthodox but in reality I'm an agnostic...

BTW, what's the point of the thread? Doing a research, Tuff?

Nope. The same reason that I want people to fill out their tab in the political affiliation thread. I like to see where people are coming from. As many people and as much personal information as I can get to better relate or understand their sentiments.

I relate with you guys on a day to day basis and none of this information is written in a book that I can read. We are essentially creating our own.
10-30-2008, 01:23
Louis VI the Fat

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Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Could you give us a cultural approximation or explanation of the French term? I'm curious to know.

Of 'Ni dieu ni maître'? It is an old radical battlecry: 'No God! No Master!'

This touches on the recent thread about Laïcité, where I think the reasons for us storming the barricades in revolutionary anger baffled many.
'No God, no master' shows the link between religion and supression. In France, the revolutionary quest for freedom had to overcome the Catholic hierarchy as much as the worldly hierarchy. Non-religiousness, or a religiously neutral state, and freedom go hand-in-hand. (At least, for many it does, certainly for progressives. I won't go into reactionary criticism here)
This in contrast to America's experience. Several groups of (European) Americans settled in America to seek religious freedom. This they duly found. And so, to this day, religion and freedom, and freedom of religion, go hand in hand in American thought.

Uh, that sounds so simplified as to be almost false, but it'll have to do for a quick forum post before I go to bed.

Edit: Or I could've thought about simply giving a link. Strangely, the English Wikipedia doesn't have an entry. (Be the first, Tristus!) Luckily, the www is infinite:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

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"Ni dieu ni maître!"--Neither God nor master!--is a phrase coined by the socialist Auguste Blanqui in 1880, when he published a journal by that name. It became an anarchist slogan.

Louis-Auguste Blanqui (1805-1881) was nick-named " l'enfermé "--"locked up"-- because over half of his adult life was spent in jail. He was involved in failed insurrections in 1839, 1840, and 1870. His supporters, known as "Blanquists", made up a substantial faction of the Paris Commune insurrection of 1871. Blanqui supported the notion of class struggle, spearheaded by an elite "revolutionary vanguard" of intellectuals, on behalf of the workers, the proletariat, against the bourgeoisie, the middle class. While somewhat influential in France, his theories obtained practical efficacy when adopted by Vladimir Lenin and the Russian Bolsheviks for their own particular revolutionary brand of Marxism.

The phrase pops up in a couple of places in Friedrich Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, first in Section 22, in a critique of the notion that "nature" dictates a morality of equality before the law--"natural law"--and then again in Section 202, where he identifies it as both an anarchist slogan and the motto of "herd morality", the morality of compassion for others--which Nietzsche apparently did not consider to be a good and noble thing.

Blanqui's phrase has particular resonance for anarchists in Portugal, Spain, France, and other places where a reactionary Catholic Church hierarchy was deeply involved in government and devoted all its resources to counterevolution. In such places, it was difficult not to conflate religion with slavery.
10-30-2008, 01:24
CountArach

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

I relate with you guys on a day to day basis and none of this information is written in a book that I can read. We are essentially creating our own.

So true.
10-30-2008, 01:37
Sarmatian

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Of 'Ni dieu ni maître'? It is an old radical battlecry: 'No God! No Master!'

Why does everything sound cooler in French than in English? :laugh4:

Compare Ni dieu ni maître to No God no master, or La Garde meurt, elle ne se rend pas! to The Guard dies, it does not surrender!.
10-30-2008, 01:41
LittleGrizzly

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Im stuck between anglicanism and protestantism, they both have fairly plain churchs right ?

If yes anything major to differentiate between the two ?

Is anglicanism C of E ? If so then protestantism...
10-30-2008, 02:13
Uesugi Kenshin

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I was raised celebrating Christmas, but that's about it. I've only been to a church for a religious service maybe once, I was never baptised, and I've probably been to a synagogue for exactly as many services as I have to a church. Which is one. Bar Mitzvahs rock!
10-30-2008, 04:34
KarlXII

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Raised Lutheran (Swedish Church when I lived there)
10-30-2008, 05:50
lars573

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Is anglicanism C of E ? If so then protestantism...

Yep, Anglicanism is Church of England (it's what I was raised, before I walked away from childish things like believing in a higher power in the judeo-christian sense). Yes there is quite a bit of difference between Anglican and other Protestant sects. Really C'o'E and Catholics have much more in common doctrine wise than C'o'E vis-a-ve Lutheran/Calvanist/Preysbeterian etc.

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