THE BARBARIANS OF EUROPE....

well, here it goes....

I have noticed that alot of the barbarian units in EB (gauls, sweboz) are, well, nude and if not than they are wearing very light clothing. I never thought about it until recently, so my question is: since the barbarians come from cold places like gaul and germania why don't they wear thicker clothes. Seriously, don't these guys get cold? How is it possible for some of them to run around in the near nude and not get hypothermia and freeze to death, even the guys that are wearing clothes are wearing short sleeves but no thick furs or jacket-like clothing. Also, is the fact that they were stronger than other mediterranean peoples have to due with the cold and harsh enviroment they live in?

usualy people who live in cold enviroments, and mountainous regions tend to have a wider frame,a "solid" look to them. I guess it is to keep the body heat in.

Yeah about the barbarians in EB ive been wondering the same thing. They look a little underdressed.

Fighting only took place during summer I think. So they wouldn't freeze to death :P

Some barbarians fought naked as a act of courage. Others, I guess, didnt afford or had much cloths. Furs and capes was probably more common: Most barbarians in EB have capes, and furs was probably too clumsy to fight in. (I am only guessing)

EDIT: But many barbarians, such as gauls, probably had cloths, but prefer d not to fight in them, since they could get spoiled.

They would probably fight in the nude or bare-chested, but wouldn't come to the battle so under-dressed. They would wear a warm cloak to keep out the cold, but as the fight was to begin they would discard their cloaks and stand as men before their enemy showing their fearlessness.

EDIT: Also as far as I know there are only four nude units (two celts, one sweboz and one galatian), and I would call it a 50-50 split on wearing shirts and going bare-chested. Hardly a clear majority.

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I have developed a theory about this very subject.


CmacQ

even the last barbarously hillbillyisch barbarian could not tramp on snow without clothing. i think they wore clothes made out of fur, because it keeps warm better that cloths. Can't imagine that even the most pigheaded and bloody-minded Gaesatae fought bare naked in winter, facing the enemy shaking and shivering from cold, with shrunken genitals and crumping teeth. The intimidating effect on the enemy would disappear... au contraire, they rather laught themselves to death...

would be the reason why as Lovejoy said, winter was not the time of war

Some possibilities:

The application of oil over yourself after you strip down for battle helps to cut down on the chilliness and cold. I've never read specifics of Celts in the Iron Age doing this but it wouldn't have been some major secret and this could have helped with everything cold.

As already mentioned, the nude aspect was thought to be a sign of bravery, faith in one's own God and his/her protection in battle, plus the psychological edge that facing hundred/thousands of nude warriors could do you if they were your enemy. Now once the battle was over, head collected, and the adrenaline rush and battle lust wore off, you betcha they got cold and would likely hreturn to base and warm up around a warm fire again ~:)

Jeez you guys, I don't want to sound like an obnoxious know-it-all, but practically no one fought during the winter, or at least in the Northern parts of Europe. All of your theories are needless as almost no major military operations were held during wintertime, or early spring for that matter. Logistics were the major impediment. Even the Romans with their legendary logistics system knew better than to fight during the winter, and barbarian fighters, who lived off the land more than off the supply wagons would starve during the winter. The Sweboz could have made isolated raids during winter, but all the major undertakings were mostly for summer and autumn, especially when you had a sizable army.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but for perhaps a few isolated cases, I doubt any force of over 15-20 thousand men was foolish enough to campaign during the months of snowfall.

Sufficient physical or mental occupation keeps the chill away.

I could have sworn there were some fellow Canadians (and a few Scandinavians) around here. Has nobody here ever made a snowman?

It takes surprisingly slight exercise to raise one's body temperature in the cold, when the body's major heat-dissipating devices (sweating, radiation, panting, fanning) are completely shut down [1]. I've been comfortably down to snow pants and a t-shirt in temperatures down to about -8 during moderate exercise (snowball fight, making a snowman, leisurely cross-country skiing...). Notice the scant clothing of professional skiers, or the near-complete lack of winter-style jackets among lumberjacks, among others.

Combat generates far more heat than building a snowman.

All this besides the fact that winter campaigns were rare, as AP pointed out.

-Glee

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[1] doubly so with proper footwear and headwear

Being outside only with T-shirt on during winter is actually nothing. You just have to keep moving and you can't stand still.
I have been in the forest and worked as a woodcutter(I was helping my grandfather..) and it was about -20 - -25 Celsius all that time. Sometimes even colder. The thing is that if you work hard then you don't feel cold. And I didn't wear almost anything special.
Anyway, I doubt that anyone would fight during winter in snow when it's freezing like hell outside!
But wearing nothing when it's just -5 - -10 Celsius isn't that insane. But you do need a nice day without a wind, though. :beam:

Yes. A little wind and you can literary freeze to death in minutes. The most important thing is that you wear shoes and cloves. Otherwise you wont stay warm no matter what you do :P

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Being outside only with T-shirt on during winter is actually nothing. You just have to keep moving and you can't stand still.

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It's not a contest ;) But yes, wearing a t-shirt in winter is not only possible, sometimes it's sensible, as sweaty clothing in cold weather is a temperature hazard.

(lumberjack is another term for woodcutter, btw)

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

But you do need a nice day without a wind, though. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Lovejoy

Yes. A little wind and you can literary freeze to death in minutes. The most important thing is that you wear shoes and cloves. Otherwise you wont stay warm no matter what you do :P

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Wind chill on bare flesh is quite dangerous. But in the context of nude-fighting barbarians, they would likely have boots, headgear and shields. As concerns wind chill, there's a big difference between having those three pieces of kit and being truly naked!

This, of course, beyond the fact that they didn't fight in the dead of winter in the first place.

-Glee

I'm from Mississippi...I helped my dad work outside one day during the winter (it was 25 degrees F) and I thought that I was going to freeze to death...

It all depends on where you live and how often your body has to put up with the cold. I'm not accustomed to it, so I suffer immensely in cold weather...I have Mexican friends who complain about 50 degree weather (even I laugh then.) I'm sure that someone from Russia, Canada, or Scandinavia is laughing at me now. :)

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Originally Posted by Anastasios Helios

I'm from Mississippi...I helped my dad work outside one day during the winter (it was 25 degrees F) and I thought that I was going to freeze to death...

It all depends on where you live and how often your body has to put up with the cold. I'm not accustomed to it, so I suffer immensely in cold weather...I have Mexican friends who complain about 50 degree weather (even I laugh then.) I'm sure that someone from Russia, Canada, or Scandinavia is laughing at me now. :)

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Some one from Armenia too:laugh4: (Just kidding)

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Originally Posted by Anastasios Helios

It all depends on where you live and how often your body has to put up with the cold.

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True. Since moving to Asia, my comfort zone has gone up from 18-22C to 25-28C!

But again, in the context of nude-fighting barbarians, the weather would be fairly homogeneous geographically. Moreso than the difference between Canada and Mississippi at least.

-Glee

I went to Michigan for a week in early July. I left 100F weather and crazy humidity behind in Mississippi and once I was in Michigan...I needed to wear a jacket because it was so cold. If I wore a jacket in Mississippi in early July...you're guaranteed to have a heat stroke.

I have heard before that people in colder climates are perfectly comfortable wearing t-shirts when it is 32F (0 C)...that's crazy...

I've experianced it too, when I went to Ethiopia it was 20 degrees Celsius, that good weather in the Netherlands, so we wore a T-shirt. But all the Ethiopians wore thick sweaters :dizzy2:

I wouldn´t say it´s common practice for me to prance around half-naked in -10C but I´ve definitely done it without any difficulty. Of course you´d freeze if you were just standing still, but you´d have to be pretty stupid to do that.

Btw, Swedish here.

We Scandinavians may be somewhat used to cold, but we don't like it any more than you do. And it's not that cold here. But yes, to the guy above, I was chuckling at you. T-shirt in 0 degrees? No problem, but I wouldn't really enjoy it. Hell I've bathed in a few degrees + which probably sounds like a suicide attempt to you :P.

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Originally Posted by Gleemonex

(lumberjack is another term for woodcutter, btw)

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My excuse for not realizing that earlier is that English is not my native language. :beam:

That's a good excuse. :beam:

Anyways, coming from a Canadian, I can't help but laugh at some of you guys complaining about the cold. :clown: But if it's of any comfort, I'll let you in on a secret: at around 20-30 degrees celcius(eh, approx. 65-90 farenheit'ed) last summer, I was completely losing it. I would walk around the house with nothing but a light towel draped around my thighs, occasionally punching the couch in frustration over the very hot temperature. Out in public, we'd just hide in the shades, and take numerous breaks at the well-air conditioned malls. Ugly times, summer. Fall is the best.

Being near the ocean, New York has a very mild climate. It never gets to 16 F except in the deepest, darkest, winters. Although I once saw it get to 106 in the summer, it usually stays in the high 80s.

I don't know about other demographics, but many kids walk around in a T-shirt even in 50 degree weather.

Although the fact that they only need to walk for 5 minutes to get to the nearest subway station might have something to do with it.

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Ugly times, summer. Fall is the best.

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I agree, it gets way too hot here. Up to 30-35 degrees at worst :/

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

My excuse for not realizing that earlier is that English is not my native language. :beam:

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No worries -- your English is (waaaaaay) better than my Estonian! And thanks for confirming my lumberjack example :grin:

-Glee

Screw the rain, the wind and the snow. Give me the sun, a hot breeze, the sound of the surf, sand between my toes and semi-naked women....any day. ~:cool:

Fecal bacteria often concentrates in coastal sand, so having it between your toes is probably the last thing you would want.

Tell you what, you can depress all you want in the snow and rain, I'll take my chances with the fecal matter that's 5 minutes down the road from me.

Beaches experience rain as well.:laugh4:

I live near a beach with gravel for sand, so...

Who needs a beach when you can have a nice hole in the ice of a frozen lake?