Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

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Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
Previous Ban Expired in 2004 During the Bush Administration

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

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ABC News reports that the Obama administration is going to pursue the same legislation that
1) Had no effect on crime
2) Is seen as a step to greater gun control by gun control groups
3) Took the rights of Americans for no gain
4) Is unconstitutional
5) Cost Clinton control of Congress in 1994

So much for 'respecting the second amendment'. I guess you just can't fix stupid. This time, the reasoning isn't even that people are misusing them in our country, but in Mexico. We have to suffer because of foreign criminals. Who thinks the cartels couldn't get weapons easily from corrupt police and military?

CR

Hopefully this passes. We need more and more government regulation; it's the quickest way to jade the populace and disenchant people of the virtue of government.

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

Hopefully this passes. We need more and more government regulation; it's the quickest way to jade the populace and disenchant people of the virtue of government.

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Originally Posted by Article

"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."

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Let's see. Automatic weapons, illegal. Grenades, illegal. So this is basically another attempt to lose the Southern and Midwestern voters. ~:rolleyes:

I guess I'd better get a few spare mags for my pistol now, before the price shoots up to $150 again....

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Originally Posted by drone

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Let's see. Automatic weapons, illegal. Grenades, illegal. So this is basically another attempt to lose the Southern and Midwestern voters. ~:rolleyes:

I guess I'd better get a few spare mags for my pistol now, before the price shoots up to $150 again....

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Because OBVIOUSLY they're buying their guns in the US, right?

And certainly banning them in the US will stop sale of said weapons in Mexico, right?

I mean, a US company SURELY wouldn't buy assault weapons from, say, India, and ship them to Mexico, right? I mean, it's obvious that companies have our best interests in mind, right?

...Right? :annoyedg:

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On a side note, flamethrowers are legal. I heard it on the internet. :D

Maybe I should get one of those.

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

I mean, a US company SURELY wouldn't buy assault weapons from, say, India, and ship them to Mexico, right? I mean, it's obvious that companies have our best interests in mind, right?

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Do have any evidence of large scale arms dealing by US companies or are you simply making stuff up?

Even if there were, this bill would do nothing - not a single thing - to hamper or stop the scenario you described.

CR

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

Because OBVIOUSLY they're buying their guns in the US, right?

And certainly banning them in the US will stop sale of said weapons in Mexico, right?

I mean, a US company SURELY wouldn't buy assault weapons from, say, India, and ship them to Mexico, right? I mean, it's obvious that companies have our best interests in mind, right?

...Right? :annoyedg:

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On a side note, flamethrowers are legal. I heard it on the internet. :D

Maybe I should get one of those.

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:inquisitive:I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, so here goes again.

Grenades and automatic weapons are ALREADY illegal for the most part. This reinstatement will not stop these weapons from reaching Mexican drug-runners. Proper enforcement of existing laws will. But it's always easier to pass a meaningless law than actually do something about the problem.

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Originally Posted by drone

I guess I'd better get a few spare mags for my pistol now, before the price shoots up to $150 again....

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Maybe this should've been part of the stimulus package. If people think a new AWB is going to pass, gun sales will skyrocket. :idea2:

This reminds me of the Obama campaign ads that were running at least a couple times an hour around here. They trotted out some hunter who proclaimed that Obama supports the Second Amendment and personal ownership of guns and therefore, he supports Obama. What a load. ~:handball:

Knowing this won't pass I'm not going to feign outrage.

However I will plug my Charity: SOS, Save Our Strike is a grass roots organization lobbying the Org government to provide longtime and most loved member SFTS a stimulus to help him buy various things, like guns and ostrich skin boots. As of right now all of his funds are being drained buy groceries gas and other purchases which he is forced to pay because his parents, after 18 years of love and care booted him 400 miles away. This is an undoubtedly because they don't care about poor people.

His funds are only growing by 1.8% He is in a recession.

Paypal is accepted. So is envelops with money.

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

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Pretty much.

This is a non issue for me. I doubt I'll ever feel the need to own one of these weapons.

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Originally Posted by drone

But it's always easier to pass a meaningless law than actually do something about the problem.

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We're in recession - this will save money!

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Do have any evidence of large scale arms dealing by US companies or are you simply making stuff up?

Even if there were, this bill would do nothing - not a single thing - to hamper or stop the scenario you described.

CR

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Exactly my point.

I was being hypothetical in this case, since this bill would only directly affect those manufacturing arms and/or selling arms in the US. Thus it would make little sense to include foreign manufacturers and dealers.

As to US companies dealing in Mexico, it's a safe bet at least a few are. It's a nice, big, market right next door. Very difficult to ignore.

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Originally Posted by drone

:inquisitive:I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, so here goes again.

Grenades and automatic weapons are ALREADY illegal for the most part. This reinstatement will not stop these weapons from reaching Mexican drug-runners. Proper enforcement of existing laws will. But it's always easier to pass a meaningless law than actually do something about the problem.

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I was, indeed, being sarcastic.

So Obama wants to prevent Mexicans from buying weapons that are already illegal? Have a good time trying to enforce that when we can't even close our own borders. If Americans want to sell Mexicans guns, we'll find a way.

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

Hey maybe all those SKSs I bought for $100 a piece right after the ban expired in 2004 will be worth something now. They sat in a trailer for years, never fired, still covered in petroleum jelly. I've used one and modified it to hold a 30 round magazine,the others are still boxed. I'm gonna be a criminal!!! Maybe I'll sell to the cartel

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

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if they enact that, im moving to china.
not really though....

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.
cant they understand that gun control only takes away guns from law-abiding people.
the criminals will get them anyhow if they want them.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

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How soon can we expect that do you think?

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So are we going to see formal reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine, or passage of the Screw Rush Limbaugh Act of 2009? Almost certainly not. Is there a measure of none-too-subtle enthusiasm among those with the power to grant or revoke licenses for pressuring broadcasters to introduce more "democratic dialogue" and greater "diversity" of programming? Manifestly. But don't worry, they're not going to call it a Fairness Doctrine.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Just as soon as Congress is done bringing back the Fairness Doctrine they'll get right on this.

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Obama's administration supports this, unlike the fairness doctrine.

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This is a non issue for me. I doubt I'll ever feel the need to own one of these weapons.

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Our defense of liberty in our country should not be limited to our personal interests. We should try to defend liberty everywhere, and band together to prevent government intrusion on any of our rights.

For example, I rail on against the weakening of the fourth amendment, excessive police force, and the drug war, though I've never smoked pot and never plan too.

Finally - do you ever plan to own a pistol? The 1994 bill banned magazines over 10 rounds for any gun. I've got a compact pistol with a 14 round magazine.

CR

Sounds good to me.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Finally - do you ever plan to own a pistol? The 1994 bill banned magazines over 10 rounds for any gun. I've got a compact pistol with a 14 round magazine.

CR

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You Americans are so dumb. Just take 4 rounds out!

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Sounds good to me

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You Would

My AK and AR have alrady been "misplaced". Oh well...

I guess Obama is just doing what comes natural to him...

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State. – Heinrich Himmler

Only an armed society can be the real bulwark of popular liberty. – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Every good Communist should know that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. The Communist party must control the guns. – Mao Tse-Tung

On the morrow of each conflict, I gave the … order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results. – Benito Mussolini

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? – Joseph Stalin

If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves. – Joseph Stalin

Finally, he should ban bear arms completely if you ask me. Noone needs them and they're dangerous, like knives.

husar, i will quote my earlier post....

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.
cant they understand that gun control only takes away guns from law-abiding people.
the criminals will get them anyhow if they want them.

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Sounds good to me.

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Only because you would like us all to be peasants under an omniscient government! You would trade the exciting life of liberty for the promise of government security! ~;p

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husar, i will quote my earlier post....

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It's not about crime. It's about control; liberty offends them.

CR

personally i cant wait until im 21. i plan on getting a concealed firearms license.
i go to the shooting range at least once a month....

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

if they enact that, im moving to china.
not really though....

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.
cant they understand that gun control only takes away guns from law-abiding people.
the criminals will get them anyhow if they want them.

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The same thing that runs through the head of the people that support keeping marijuana illegal; sheer emotion. No rationalisation or debate,just pure emotion.

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Originally Posted by Mooks

The same thing that runs through the head of the people that support keeping marijuana illegal; sheer emotion. No rationalisation or debate,just pure emotion.

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i am rationalizing the situation.
heres the situation:
obama bans guns. lawful people turn thier guns in. crminals dont.
crime shoots way up.
if im not mistaken, after DC banned guns the crime rate shot way up?

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Only because you would like us all to be peasants under an omniscient government! You would trade the exciting life of liberty for the promise of government security! ~;p

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Glad you put that smilie there :wink:

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

i still cant figure out what goes on in the pro-gun control peoples heads.

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The idea being that guns don't kill people - but they make it a hell of a lot easier to. That's the simplest way to explain our thought process. They don't just deny them to law-abiding citizens, they deny them to small-time criminals who may not have normally wanted to get serious enough to look for illegal weapons traders.

but what about the big time crimnals?
you cant just assume that the small guy dont want guns. oh, im sure they do. a crime done by a small crook is the same as a crime done by a big crook.
dont underestimate the small time crooks.
under estimating in general is a bad thing to do.

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

but what about the big time crimnals?

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What about them? They are going to get guns either way, but this way it is going to cost them more and be much harder to get - the black market can still be found-out.

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

you cant just assume that the small guy dont want guns.

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If gun control prevents even one rape turning into a rape-murder then I would be happy with gun control.

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

under estimating in general is a bad thing to do.

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Like underestimating what the police force is capable of?