Horse Archers

I was playing Russia and saw that these guys outranged muskets and yeas like yippee and trained a few of them. Imagine my dismay that they are just glorified dragoons. Isn't this one step back from M2TW or RTW? I understand the compromise between realism and the time it would have taken to implement move fire for 1 but I am still sad.

Who else will mourn our old horse archers of death?:shame:

I dislike Horse archers in RTW/M2TW with a passion - they can take on anything en masse by simply toggling on/of the fire at will button and redeploy close to the targets. I am glad that mounted ranged units (dragoons) arent that overpowered in this game.

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

I was playing Russia and saw that these guys outranged muskets and yeas like yippee and trained a few of them. Imagine my dismay that they are just glorified dragoons. Isn't this one step back from M2TW or RTW? I understand the compromise between realism and the time it would have taken to implement move fire for 1 but I am still sad.

Who else will mourn our old horse archers of death?:shame:

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I hear Magyar Khan is headed toward C/A headquaters with a large Mongol army and a stern expression .

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Who else will mourn our old horse archers of death?:shame:

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*takes a leak on grave of the once mighty HAs*



Okay, honestly... I rather enjoy using Light Dragoons and the like to harass the enemy. I still hate HAs in other TW incarnations. :furious3:

Firing from horseback seems rather useless to me, given the delays, and the tendency of horse gunners and archers to wait until the ground troops get a volley off...and the simple fact that they have fewer men...

Anyway, dragoons are great for flanking operations and a bit of router chasing or charging wavering enemies.

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Who else will mourn our old horse archers of death?:shame:

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Me :(

my question is why cant heavy dragoons fire from horseback? :furious3:

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

Firing from horseback seems rather useless to me, given the delays, and the tendency of horse gunners and archers to wait until the ground troops get a volley off...and the simple fact that they have fewer men...

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I send my horse gunners around the flanks. Either the whole army turns towards them like big dummies, giving my cannons a nice shot, or they don't turn around. Which is when I shoot them.

Or you get dog piled by cavalry... Atleast with HA, there's a noticable range bonus.

If I never see another HA in my life I would die happy :yes:

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Or you get dog piled by cavalry...

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Well, that too. The AI cavalry has a serious boner for my own cavalry. Sometimes though, if there are fewer of them, I can seriously hurt them with a close range volley and route them. Two birds, one musket ball.

Polish lancers actually fought Germans in 1939 so it wouldn't surprise me if there was mounted archers still around in Russia in the 1700s. The Russians were known to use some old weaponry throughout their history. And we know American Indians did the same against US Troops well into the late 19th Century. So, I'm not really surprised I guess.

Well, at least you know they didn't charge tanks.

Off-topic, but to dispell the myth, the lancers actually were flanking a machine gun position, when an armoured car came and surprised them. Then, some officer saw a good propaganda moment and took a picture of the dead davalry as soon as the first tank rolled over the captured town.

Actually Native lancers and horse gunners seem to be drawn like a magnet,toward my artillery and general unit/s as soon as they hit the field,never mind the shooting,the AI seem to regard horse gunners as light calvary of some description..