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hey guys, i've heard of these videos from DPRK (Democratic people's republic of korea (Why "DEMOCRATIC?") and I think this is the largest funeral. Watch it guys. rate it.
It's democratic... there are people who still live there, after all. You know "demos" means "people" in Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noddy The Beefy Egg
Now, moving on a more serious topic. Whilst I think that most of the tears of the officials are fake, I think that much of those of the ordinary people are real. In the totalitarian societies (now) and in the societies ruled by an absolute power (before), the death of a main figure (esp. the dictator (now)/the King (before)) led to uncertainty + this person has become part of your life and it is hard to imagine what will be after him. Maybe disaster? He was the hero of the day after all, and now without him...
As far as I know these are the thoughts that come into the mind of people when such a political figure dies. That's a little Doomsday, to put it in short.
There is an old joke, going back to the days of the German Democratic Republic, that any country that includes democratic in its official name isn't.
Someone's even bothered to research it now...
http://anyall.org/blog/2007/08/its-a...blic-of-korea/
It has the demos, but the kratos doesn't relate to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Asen
you watched it? And DPRK is LESS democratic, notice the anti-us propaganda. All the 3 parts, Tovarich? (friend in Russian) And why are they crying? They have to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Asen
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Originally Posted by Noddy The Beefy Egg
Я сказал это с много иронии,товарищ.
I know a little bit Russian. This language is great and very close to the Bulgarian, though I am quite reserved to the Russian politics.
I said the above lines with much irony. What is happening now in Northern Korea is terrible. They are militaristic but very, very poor. That's why I said "there are still people in Northern Korea"
About the crying: well, I am sure that many of the ordinary people were not forced. Of course, soe cried only in order not to be accused of treason later on. But many of the crying people cried because it is hard to imagine the life without the old leader. It's a bit brainwashing and psychology.
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He was a bad man, those people were probably choreographed and told to cry. I wouldn't believe anything the media would send out of such a totalitarian country..
That was some of the worst acting I've ever seen. Delightfully hilarious, though. :laugh4:
I think the death of JFK and some other leaders had far greater amounts of genuine sorrow and emotion.
That was the most ridiculous video I have ever seen.
You would expect such a militaristic regime to value a stiff upper lip...
obviously staged.
I'm sure a lot of these officials are exagerrating. However, as is common with authoritarian governments, this guy had a cult of personality. I'm sure MANY North Koreans, filmed or not, were crying. I'm not surprised if people who knew the guy were, or if Kim Jong Il was.
That video gets the prize of the Rotten Tomatoes/Golden Raspberry Award for WORST ACTING EVER.
It wasn't even funny after 1 minute.
And guys, in the library I will check out a book on DPRK in 2 days.
I have heard people who lived in dictatorships with a kind of cult of personality being upset when thier leader died... i would imagine the cult of personality is much stronger in North Korea than most other dictatorships..
More crying videos that will even make you cry more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKR3...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zYs...eature=related
Add Michael Jackson's funeral to the list. It beats everything.
It's amazing how much you could learn about stuff just by watching youtube, did anyone read the info provided by the video poster (quoted above)? Blimey. Constantly referring to Kim Il Sung as 'great leader', this fellow is a true believer of Kim Il Sung the cult of personality, and there ain't many of them left.Quote:
Great Leader Kim Il Sung (1912-1994)
The respected leader commrade Kim Il Sung whom the Korean and world people hold in high esteem is revered today as the greatest leader of the working class who with extradordinary wisdom,outstanding ablity of leadership and lofty communist virtues,has been devoting all his life to the sacred cause of the revolution for the independence of the working masses
During the long period since he embarked on the road of revolution at an early age,the great leader comrade Kim Il Sung led the unprecedently arduous and complex Korean revolution to victory and made a great contribution to the world revolution.
"The revolutionary peoples, communists and revolutionaries of all the world are calling Comrade Kim Il Sung, the great Leader of the 40 million Korean people, 'an outstanding strategist of the international revolutionary movement,' 'the leader of the liberation movement of the whole world,' 'a distinguished leader of the tricontinental peoples' and 'a symbol of anti-imperialist struggle.' They speak of him with boundless respect and veneration.
"To gain deep knowledge and mastery of his strategy for world revolution, they are widely engaged in the study of his immortal works: the treatise 'Let us intensify the anti-imperialist, anti-U. S. struggle'; the report at the Conference of the Workers' Party of Korea 'The present situation and the tasks of our Party'; the Political Program of the Government of the DPRK 'Let us embody more thoroughly the revolutionary spirit of independence, self-sustenance and self-defense in all fields of state activity.' In these they find the one and only guiding compass for achieving national and social emancipation and winning the final triumph of the world revolution.
"So his treatise 'Let us intensify the anti-imperialist, anti-U. S. struggle' is praised by them as 'most appropriate and most concrete application of Marxism-Leninism in the prevailing international situation, and a document of top level in the present-day world in terms of theory and practice' as 'a document to be used as a textbook giving boundless courage and confidence to the fighting revolutionaries of the world, and a bomb to the enemy imperialists.' They all say: 'The treatise of Comrade Kim Il Sung, outstanding Leader of the tricontinental peoples is an invaluable document which provides the revolutionaries of the world with renewed revolutionary fighting will.'"
Given the level of isolation and propaganda the country floats in, I wouldn't be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
I bet they were tears of happiness, and then crushing depression, once they found out Kim Jong Il was going to take over the reigns.
North Korea is a very strange country.
You have to consider the level of media control, and, historically, the 'cult of personality' in countries with such nigh-perfect control of the media, education and so on, the leader is often set up as the good guy. People hate the government, local officials, and the police, but view the leader as their father/god/whatever.
Prior to and during the second world war, people in the Soviet Union wrote to Stalin asking him to rein in the commissars, local party officials and so on.
You have to remember, a lot of those people were born into that regime, they don't know ANYTHING else. It's DAMN risky to get any kind of outside communication from within North Korea. A lot of them probably really believe that the US is the devil, Kim Jong-Il is the son of God and that he really does care about them, rather than spending all his time indulging in kidnapped Japanese children and imported cognac.
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Originally Posted by Wakizashi
I'd have to agree: famine, starvation, political repression, massive lack of educated citizens (they have to import eye doctors for a short period of time every year, as an example), let's face it, the country is an :juggle: up, and it takes a really blind or stupid person *to not see it. any outward attempt at "worship" is out of fear more than anything, seeing how r***** has a tight grasp on power. this is all assuming they aren't brainwashed.
*unless Ill had them all brainwashed, in which case, we are dealing with a whole new world.
I'm quite sure that most of them are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
As Megas said...
In North Korea, you can only buy state produced radios. These will only tune to specific channels. The only way to broadcast a pirate radio signal in North Korea is to overpower the 'legit' channels. Good luck doing that with the materials at hand. And, of course, once caught, you'll be sent to one of the concentration camps for a bit of reeducation.
Only the most loyal citizens, IE: those living in Pyongyang, are even allowed to own a computer. These are restricted with a REAL 'great firewall' which makes China's censorship software look like the sort of net you use to fish for whales. Rather like the one they used at my middle school, I imagine.
Funny story, we were doing a report on WWI, but the censorship software wouldn't let us look at any page which used the word 'gun'.
North Korea is basically what your crazy hippy neighbor said Bush was going to turn the US into. It's an Orwellian state realized, albiet imperfectly.
Even IF the 'worship' is faked, how long can you go on faking something before you start really believing it? Your entire life? Assuming you were raised from birth being told that Kim Jong-Il is the son of God and will wipe out the evil American pigdogs, while, daily, singing songs on a similar theme in school?
Tovarisch means comrade.Quote:
Tovarich? (friend in Russian)