how to kill a taisho/daimyo in battle?

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10-13-2002, 13:30
maresk

i played my first assault against an enemy clan daimyo/taisho but i can't seem to kill the general in battle.

i start with a force twice his size and easily defeat all his yari and archers (well a few archers remain) but most of my force is about 80% intact. his heavy cav is reduced to 1 unit -- the taisho (a 4 star) and my heavy cav of 10 units (commanded by a 3 star) cannot defeat it. they are totally exhausted and started getting cut down by the 1 single enemy. i quit the battle in frustration cuz it was taking over 20 min just with that 1 guy and he was killing my entire army of 400.

should i have just waited longer?
10-13-2002, 16:36
kamizaki_nurizeko

dude yari ashigaru decimate a daimyos unit....problem is unless you encircle the fool when he finally runs away his cav outrun your ashi...try a unit or two of warrior monks to kill the bugger....attack his ashi and low moral units and in general smash up his armys moral, causing mass rout...try and isolate his daimyo/taisho from the rest of the army and remember it isnt the most important part of a battle that you kill the general, you can still beat him with or without his taisho..and now a little table that shall help you a bit

spear beat cavalry
cavalry beat ranged weapons
range weapons beat slow moving foot soldiers
warrior monks kick ass!!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
also if you have the expansion pack, mongol invasion/warlord edition you get kensai, a single super warrior dude..but most just dont use it cause its so unrealistic...and battlefeild ninja they pretty good too

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10-14-2002, 02:09
maresk

ah i see... i'll try to envelope him with my yari guys.

thanks for the tip!

strange tho... i got his archers down to 13 men, but they weren't routing and i couldn't catch him with my infantry as they marched away and my cav was too exhausted. it's my first battle so i had no advanced units yet.
10-16-2002, 05:31
Orda Khan

Cavalry are advanced units
.......Orda

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10-21-2002, 21:26
Structure

I noticed this too. As indicated you need to surround him with spear units. The frustrating part is that it will still take them a long time to kill the daimyo.

I've seen AI daimyos kill a couple dozen yari samari before finally getting killed. It's a bit silly, but whatever.

Once I see the enemy Daimyo is surrounded by a couple spear units, I can focus my time getting my other units organized to take advantage of the enemy's reduced moral when their Daimyo dies.
11-26-2002, 18:34
Foreign Devil

I've often seen an enemy taisho die without me even trying to kill him, although this usually happens in larger battles. Sometimes, i can still see the gold general's banner even after i'm told he's dead.
11-27-2002, 10:29
Mithrandir

Aww common people...

truly the best way to kill a Daimyo is to send a Geisha after him http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif.

but in battle... seriously :
surround him wth spears,pin him down and force your archers to shoot him, you will lose some of your own men, but it's the fastest way to get rid of him...
11-30-2002, 09:48
hoom

Yeah, archers are the best way to take out a Daimyo.

Failing that, chuck a couple of YS at him and if you need to use the speed slider on the bottom of the radar map to speed up time until he gets tired enough that they either kill him or he runs away.

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]spear beat cavalry...
range weapons beat slow moving foot soldiers
Monks kick ass

Range does not do much against Naginata.
Monks can get slaughtered by archers due to their low armour.
Not much stands up to Naginata Cavalry.
Ashigaru run away at the faintest whiff of combat.
12-03-2002, 22:10
Wishazu

if your attacking an army that you know is commanded by the enemy daimyo then make sure you take a unit of ninja. Ive found that even the most lowly battlefield ninja can wipe out even a high honour daimyo and his bodygaurd in no time at all. i never used to use them untill i lost a couple of daimyo to the ai and learned my lesson.
12-04-2002, 19:18
Vicmas

Actually, the easiest way to kill a high honor daimyo or taisho is to mass your forces on his flanks leaving your archers in the center. When his flanks retreat pursue them off of the map and then encircle the hapless high honor general who is stuck in the middle. Once you are behind him, he is screwed and has nowhere to run and can battle to his hearts content but to no avail. High honor actually hurts your enemy generals as they won't have the sense to retreat when their entire army does and therefore, they are easier to dispose of than a pesky no honor general who retreats at the first sign of trouble and is usually the first out of your territory and therefore, is harder to kill. But of course, nothing beats a freshly minted geisha with an attitude problem http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif
12-04-2002, 19:24
Vicmas

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/argue.gif And WHY do we have these stupid MTW icons next to our names despite the fact that we are STW loyalists (holdouts, reactionaries)? STW blows MTW out of the water and to even breathe the two names in the same sentence is an infamnia I'm a ronin and always will be >>> Euros are unclean and they smell funny