An Occultus Faction possibly (completely not) worked out?
First of all I'd like to apologise beforehand for resurrecting the paranoid "occultus" subject, I'm sure some people get a bit fed up with the whole thing, so sorry about that:embarassed:.
Anyway....
Was having a look throught the RS previews today and noticed the shield design for a Bosporan Kingdom unit matches up pretty well with two of the occultus sigs.
If your not convinced have a closer look in paint or something the various shapes seem to match, if your still not convinced then fair enough it's only a suggestion.
So maybe one of the occultus factions is the Bosporan Kingdom? or some other group related to the skythians?:juggle2:
Also what would you call the mythical animal on the shield? I'm guessing icthyo-something but i can't find an answer.
10-29-2009, 16:08
anubis88
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
Wow... That's an interesting find... I think that you deserve for your wits to be informed if a occultus faction is the Bosphoran kingdom:clown:
First off, let's be clear: the unit is not from EB but from Roma Surrectum, so any similarities between a shield decoration from RS and an Occultus sig from EB are almost certainly meaningless coincidence.
Second, the Hippocampus, whether with wings or without, is an very common element in Phoenician, Greek, Roman, Etruscan and Punic mythology and iconography. For example, the Hippocampus on the RS unit looks a lot like one from the so-called Treasure of Croesus of Lydia.
Though of course, if you didn't already know it, the RS unit's deco is in fact a direct copy of a famous Sarmatian falera found in the river Don. I don't have a picture handy to upload but it's a reasonably common image in the literature.
SO there is not a whole lot to uniquely connect a Hippocampus to any particular faction, much less a Bosporan Crimea faction. The Hippocampus is just as likely to be linked to a North African Punic state as to a Black Sea Greek one. Also, I have to point out that the coins from this region mostly display Griffons, Lions, Pan and Hercules. Have a look.
Nice try.
10-29-2009, 19:23
Paltmull
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Originally Posted by bobbin
as i said in the OP it's a Bosporan Kingdom unit from the RS (Roma Surrectum) mod.
Ah, didn't know RS meant Roma Surrectum.
10-29-2009, 21:11
bobbin
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Originally Posted by oudysseos
First off, let's be clear: the unit is not from EB but from Roma Surrectum, so any similarities between a shield decoration from RS and an Occultus sig from EB are almost certainly meaningless coincidence.
I thought that considering you guy's share a lot of info and some members (kevarnos made the post i saw it in) there might be one, but i definitely see your point.
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Originally Posted by oudysseos
SO there is not a whole lot to uniquely connect a Hippocampus to any particular faction, much less a Bosporan Crimea faction. The Hippocampus is just as likely to be linked to a North African Punic state as to a Black Sea Greek one. Also, I have to point out that the coins from this region mostly display Griffons, Lions, Pan and Hercules. Have a look.
I was aware of the common motifs (you missed out sprigs of wheat and dolphins as well) but i thought you might have had different info to lead you to another choice. I still think its a hippocamp of some sort in the sig but as you say that doesn't narrow it down much, ah well..
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Originally Posted by oudysseos
Nice try.
It was wasn't it:yes:
10-29-2009, 22:20
Ibrahim
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Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by bobbin
First of all I'd like to apologise beforehand for resurrecting the paranoid "occultus" subject, I'm sure some people get a bit fed up with the whole thing, so sorry about that:embarassed:.
Anyway....
Was having a look throught the RS previews today and noticed the shield design for a Bosporan Kingdom unit matches up pretty well with two of the occultus sigs.
If your not convinced have a closer look in paint or something the various shapes seem to match, if your still not convinced then fair enough it's only a suggestion.
So maybe one of the occultus factions is the Bosporan Kingdom? or some other group related to the skythians?:juggle2:
Also what would you call the mythical animal on the shield? I'm guessing icthyo-something but i can't find an answer.
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Originally Posted by Oudysseos
Nice try.
only one thing can describe Bobbin's situation now:clown: :
Hehe boy is my face red.....adjusted the thread title accordingly.
10-30-2009, 13:16
Horatius Flaccus
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
I think he is correct about the symbol, though. So it could still be true.
10-30-2009, 13:34
Bucefalo
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Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus
I think he is correct about the symbol, though. So it could still be true.
I think the same, the symbol seems to be that one. Another thing is to know if the symbol over red background represent the bosphorian kingdom or other occultus faction.
10-30-2009, 20:50
Ludens
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Hehe boy is my face red.....adjusted the thread title accordingly.
That's really not necessary. It's quite possible the first post of this thread got closer to guessing a faction than did the entire previous occultus thread. Anyway, you can only change thread titles for a short time after posting them. If you want to change it afterwards, you have to ask a moderator.
10-30-2009, 22:25
Ibrahim
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Hehe boy is my face red.....adjusted the thread title accordingly.
don't be. you probably got it right-you only "fail" for getting it right for the wrong reasons.:clown:
10-31-2009, 16:29
Andronikos
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
The idea of that being an ichtycentaur came in the previous occultus thread, but this is dicovery of something VERY similar. But I think that the faction it represents has more eastern destination.
10-31-2009, 17:20
hekk
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A good try, I think. I certainly hope there is a Bosporan faction.
11-02-2009, 23:14
Phalanx300
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Well he wasn't denying that is wasn't the creature, so its an faction of the peoples he listed so at least another "civilized" faction.
And another thing, if anyone would actually crack the occultus and gues correctly would the EB team tell so or would they try to make him think otherwise? :inquisitive:
11-03-2009, 10:35
bobbin
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Originally Posted by Phalanx300
Well he wasn't denying that is wasn't the creature, so its an faction of the peoples he listed so at least another "civilized" faction.
Going by coinage the most times I've seen the symbol has been on coins from Taras, Phoenicia and Syracuse.
The first two are unlikely so maybe Syracuse?, it is a very common widely spread symbol though (it was even popular with the indogreeks) so i'm not that certain and this was from just looking at coins.
11-03-2009, 11:47
Phalanx300
Re: An Occultus Faction possibly worked out?
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Going by coinage the most times I've seen the symbol has been on coins from Taras, Phoenicia and Syracuse.
The first two are unlikely so maybe Syracuse?, it is a very common widely spread symbol though (it was even popular with the indogreeks) so i'm not that certain and this was from just looking at coins.
Syracuse would make a great faction, rather a powerfull city state then yet another minor Succesor kingdom like Pergamon.
They would definately be one of my favourites if they are in:2thumbsup:.
Besides the Koinon ofcourse, they have the Spartans. :sweatdrop:
11-03-2009, 12:35
Skullheadhq
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Nice clone of the Occultus thread that got closed, what a pity was that.
11-06-2009, 13:59
Brennus
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What the heck is Occultus anyway?
11-06-2009, 17:05
Skullheadhq
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Nobody really knows.
11-06-2009, 17:13
anubis88
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Originally Posted by Brennus
What the heck is Occultus anyway?
Occultus is latin for hidden
11-06-2009, 17:46
Brennus
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I gets ya now!
11-07-2009, 11:07
Meneldil
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Don't EB and RS share some members? If that's the case, your guess might very well have some basis. Or not.
11-07-2009, 14:32
bobbin
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Originally Posted by Meneldil
Don't EB and RS share some members? If that's the case, your guess might very well have some basis. Or not.
A few, Keravnos who made the thread is the faction coordinator for various factions and a long time (EB) member.
11-10-2009, 17:34
Skullheadhq
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You were right after all, check the new preview!
11-10-2009, 18:31
bobbin
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yeah I saw it yesterday, even if it was a bit of a fluke I'm still feeling mighty pleased with myself:yes:
11-10-2009, 18:41
Skullheadhq
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Originally Posted by Ibrahim
only one thing can describe Bobbin's situation now:clown: :
