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Posted in the Backroom due to the slightly adult nature of the topic!
So...Ron Jeremy (a male porn 'actor') has come out and said that violent video games have a much bigger negative influence on kids than porn. The choice of venue for this bold statement? Whilst visiting the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas :laugh4:.
So...what do fellow Orgah's feel about this issue? Personally I think it should be regarded as which is better, not which is worse! :eyebrows:
Not that odd a claim unless it's rape-porn or something similar.
//expects Horetore to show up
Agreed, there's some twisted stuff out there, but, principally, we expect most people to have sex; we don't expect them to fight their way through the Zombie Apocalypse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Rape is actually a very common female fantasy. Roleplay rape of course, not actual rape. I guess it's the "ultimate submission" thingy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I didn't really have anything to add... But this comment made me :smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Violence is somewhat sexual in nature as well, but even after watching violent porn (if that is your thing, know of at least one very respectable orgah who does) that emotion ends up somewhere else, then it's gone it has been relieved. But I don't believe playing ultra-violent video-games aren't totally harmless for those already on the edge. Short burst vs prolonged exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
:no::thumbsdown:
I don't see porn and video games as being bad (at a user end as such). But if I had to choose, porn would obviously be worse as it involved real people and a lot of the porn industry is a very dirty, very corrupt and a very exploitive buisness.
So in otherwords, porn is worse than video games as no humans were hurt in the process of a video game.
Most violent games are 18+ so they are not for kids anyway....
it´s kind of a pointless comment.
I have to agree that the most important question is "which one is more awesome anyway?" :2thumbsup:
It is... we had a conversation somewhat like this a while back, the Lemur nailed :'Brad Pitt showing up at your door and not taking no for an answer'. Some are more dominant than others and some like that. People have rape fantasy's, doubt you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Actually, I would argue it would be the feelings of desire/being wanted and being taken by some one you want to be taken by.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
So it is not actually rape at all. As in rape, you are being taken by someone which you don't, which is a complete contradictionary in terms.
Oh come on, get off your high horse. I'm 100% sure that you do sexual stuff other people would label disgusting too. We all do that "disgusting" stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Though this was on the BBC website recently, as in, I just went on and saw it now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8455161.stm
That sounds an awful lot like how we gave lower sentences for rapists if the victim was seen as promiscuous...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Can't say I like the look of it...
I don't think it's a question of which is 'worse.' At the end of the day, it's the parents' responsibility to make sure the kids don't see the stuff that parents don't approve of.
I hear parents rant about how dreadful video games are, and then when I go to the store I see parents buying GTA for their kid, who is not tall enough to see the top of the counter. Games have a rating system, people need to learn what the ratings mean. There are parent-oriented game review sites out there that go into detail about the content of the games.
I agree with Beskar that porn is a shady business. But, the idea of porn is not "bad" IMO, so long as the people making it aren't being hurt. Again, I think the responsibility for keeping kids away from porn lies with the parents.
I think that the US has it backwards when it comes to sex and violence. Movies can contain a ton of violence, torture, etc., and be PG-13, but if an otherwise harmless movie shows a boob for long enough, it gets an R.
Sorry for lack of coherence, I just got up. :coffeenews:
//hands Scienter coffee
Ain't that shady it's a professional business, these girls make a lot of money and can make demands, for porn enthousiasts these girls are superstars. And they aren't in short supply anyway just type 'amateur' on porntube you will get hundreds of results. It isn't like prostitution in any way.
[/Obligitory Australian whinge about ratings.]Quote:
Originally Posted by Scienter
I think the focus rests on the kids themselves. The child has to be smart enough to determine what is socially acceptable and what isnt. I played GTA 3 when I was 10, GTA 2 before that. Did I suddenly think that going around shooting people was ok? (Yes I did play the pre-censored version)
Actual Rape is about Power and control, about forcing your will on others. It isn't about sex and power. Now, being ravaged probably is a not uncommon female fantasy, but that's different.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
No, I'm talking about roleplaying a rape, not "getting rough".Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
You'd completely change your mind if someone close to you was raped and you knew what impact it had on their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
To say I'm offended by your statement wouldn't be quite correct, but I don't like it whatsoever.
Not the fact that it's directed at me, but the fact that you think it's normal to have rape fantasies.
Maybe, but never something which goes against the will of the other, ruining complete lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by horetore
I'll won't respond to this topic anymore since no good will come of it. But please be sensitive to the subject and know what enormous impact such a dispicable act can have on peoples lives. Please don't make it seem like something "normal" to consider or fantasize about.
:bow:
Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Goes against the will of another?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Please, do read my post again.
It is just a fantasy, and yeah I know a person like that. Got to know the person who did it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
This example (and I personally consider such remarks to be of rather poor taste) actually rather proves that "rape" is about power and control and not about sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I guess it depends on what games you play or what kind of porn you watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boohugh
All these claims about most women having rape fantasies disturb me, to say the least. Do you guys have any sources to back that up, since it doesn't strike me as very credible.
And no, [insert hunk] "forcing" himself on a woman who adores [insert hunk] does not count as "rape fantasy", because if that would happen, said woman would be very cooperative and [insert hunk] wouldn't have to force anything.
Sorry I was trying to make a point. Yes of course but power/overpowered is where the fantasy lies, it is just a bedtime fantasy, role-play. It isn't my thing but there is nothing wrong with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
edit: example was to prove it's an unconcious way we look at things, if you look for innuendo in violence you will find a lot of it it, in every language. .
Rape is about power and control, not sex, who doesn't know that in this age? Roleplay rape on the other hand, has nothing to do with actual rape, but everything to do with sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Personal experience mostly, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
You was given a seeing to by Big Bubba and you worked out you enjoyed it, from the experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Hah! Sadly, no, just conversations with various women......Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
EDIT: Oh, and Cupido, a "text-based" porn mag(hardly any pics, lots of erotic stories and articles on sex) had playrape as their theme either this month or the previous, I can't remember exactly...
EDIT2: And no I don't know that because I buy it(the internet was still free last time I checked), I know it because we sell them at work :smash:
EDIT3: No, I don't work at a smut shop, I work at a gas station.
actually
edit: oh damnit you ruined my joke
I can only speak for myself and the close friends I talk about sex with, but I don't know anyone who has rape fantasies. These are separate from 'getting rough' or BDSM. Rape is an act of violence against a woman, has nothing to do with sex. That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Agreed. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres