Backroom Poll. The (major) Religious Affiliation in Backroom...

Well, I was quite confused when reading some threads on the backroom because I don't know exactly... who are affiliated to which religion / philoshophy... well, hope this little pool won't hurt anyone...

Please note that this was "Major" affiliation... so don't ask about finer details

1) Christian = everyone who believe in Jesus, all including Catholics, Orthodox, and Christian Denominations.

2) Deist = everyone who believe in God, but who is God? Not my Business... including such as Agnostics, Free Thinkers, etc... Agnostics Ignosticism....

3) Jewish = no matter how orthodox or secular, if you identify yourself as Jew, choose this

4) Complete Atheist = No God, that's all... thank you.

5) Islam = including Sunni, Shia... at least you believe in Muhammad's teachings

6) Far-East Religions = Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shinto... etc

7) New age - Hindu = everything comes on spiritual meanings, comes from India, but doesn't related directly with far-east

8) Satanic = HELL YEAH!!! SATAN RULEZ!!!!

9) Others = Animism, Dinamism, traditional religion of native peoples....

10) Religion? I still confused with my own religion!!!!

Well, hope this poll will give us better insight on who are our discussion friends here, at the backroom, so we can avoid unintended offensive thingies.... (you know better)

You missed out Agnostic and Ignostic. I am personally an ignostic.

Edit: You stuck Agnosticism and Ignosticism in with "everyone who believes in God". It is actually arguably closer to athiesm due to agnostics having no definition stance on the existence of any god and ignostic view of "What do you mean by god?" with a default position accepting current explanations. There is also Antitheism which is pretty much "militant athiesm",

These terms and athiesm could/should be put under a nonthiest category.

Somewhere between apathy and deism.

Scientologist?

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

5) Islam = including Sunni, Shia... at least you believe in Muhammad

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OUCH! Er to Muslims Muhamad is a prophet, not a god, and not to be worshipped. Allah is the only god and praise be to him (or something). Worship of Muhamad is tantamount to idolatry for Muslims - strictly against their faith.

I suggest you modify the above to "believe in Allah".

I, incidentaly am an athiest.

Ha, I missed that

And what about the Druze?

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Originally Posted by alh_p

OUCH! Er to Muslims Muhamad is a prophet, not a god, and not to be worshipped. Allah is the only god and praise be to him (or something). Worship of Muhamad is tantamount to idolatry for Muslims - strictly against their faith.

I suggest you modify the above to "believe in Allah".

I, incidentaly am an athiest.

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Repaired into --> Muhammad's teachings... :grin:

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

Repaired into --> Muhammad's teachings... :grin:

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I don't mean to nit-pick and i do realise you are trying to avoid each option saying "I believe in God", but it's still not right! :embarassed:

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5) Islam = including Sunni, Shia... at least you believe in follow Muhammad's teachings

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Since the option "don't have any" was left out, I voted satanic since it sounded cooler than "other".

EDIT: double post.

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Well, I was quite confused when reading some threads on the backroom because I don't know exactly... who are affiliated to which religion / philoshophy...

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Isn't that a good thing? Shouldn't you judge what people are saying based on the content of their argument rather than (dare I say it) a prejudice based on their religion? :tongue:

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Scientologist?

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Hail Xenu! Hail Xenu! Hail Xenu!

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Originally Posted by Viking

Since the option "don't have any" was left out, I voted satanic since it sounded cooler than "other".

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I am currently boycotting the inclusion of Ignostic in with deism.

What about all sorts of neo paganisms? That's is new age but certainly not from India.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You missed out Agnostic and Ignostic. I am personally an ignostic.

Edit: You stuck Agnosticism and Ignosticism in with "everyone who believes in God". It is actually arguably closer to athiesm due to agnostics having no definition stance on the existence of any god and ignostic view of "What do you mean by god?" with a default position accepting current explanations. There is also Antitheism which is pretty much "militant athiesm",

These terms and athiesm could/should be put under a nonthiest category.

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I am diagnostic. No definitive position, but I constantly review my opinions against a baseline, preferably with lots of utilities and tools.

i dont consider all of christianity the same thing there ar emajor differences between me and say sfts or zain theologically.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You missed out Agnostic and Ignostic. I am personally an ignostic.

Edit: You stuck Agnosticism and Ignosticism in with "everyone who believes in God". It is actually arguably closer to athiesm due to agnostics having no definition stance on the existence of any god and ignostic view of "What do you mean by god?" with a default position accepting current explanations. There is also Antitheism which is pretty much "militant athiesm",

These terms and athiesm could/should be put under a nonthiest category.

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Well, agnostics are atheists, necessarily. I like the word "antitheist" a lot though.

I will chorus the others regarding agnosticism.
I know what the wikipedia says regarding Deism and I disagree with it. Deism to me means a closed heaven or clockwork creation. I would argue that most of Christianity/Judaism/Islam belongs in that category.

There are no current "communication" with deity and they live by what was once revealed. Hence they are Deists.
Another point: It is nice to see so many acknowledging that Atheism is a major religion. :beam:

If you want agnosticism and atheism in this poll, they should be listed under:
Not affiliated with a major religion.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

i dont consider all of christianity the same thing there ar emajor differences between me and say sfts or zain theologically.

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The only true christians are protestants, catholics are idol worshipers.

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Originally Posted by alh_p

OUCH! Er to Muslims Muhamad is a prophet, not a god, and not to be worshipped. Allah is the only god and praise be to him (or something). Worship of Muhamad is tantamount to idolatry for Muslims - strictly against their faith.

I suggest you modify the above to "believe in Allah".

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Jesus Christ and Muhammad, Cute Wolf, you live in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation (i.e. more Indonesian Muslims than of any other single nationality). How did you miss that and still be comfortable? :tongue: I mean, you probably live in a more tolerant area, but those bombings of mosques and churches...

But of course, that could have been a simple misarrangement of words for the sake of brevity, on the other hand :shrug:, which is probably what was the real reason.

All you Christians are atheists just like me. I simply happen to not believe in just one more god than you do. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Well, agnostics are atheists, necessarily. I like the word "antitheist" a lot though.

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Only my creed of atheism is right. Agnostics must burn at the stake for their heresy.

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

Jesus Christ and Muhammad, Cute Wolf, you live in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation (i.e. more Indonesian Muslims than of any other single nationality). How did you miss that and still be comfortable? :tongue: I mean, you probably live in a more tolerant area, but those bombings of mosques and churches...

But of course, that could have been a simple misarrangement of words for the sake of brevity, on the other hand :shrug:, which is probably what was the real reason.

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Yeah... you have contact with sonic right? then ask him about that :grin: Not entire Indonesian muslims are hard-liners jihadim, most of them are Beer-Drinking, Pork-Eating, skip prayings, and even loathe religious rituals things... Did you know, until 90's, most of Indonesian muslims still common to eat pigs?!? I'm not joking, if you found an old recipe books from Indonesia, you'll astonished when you see how many alcoholic beverages and porks we consume... Rising Education quality... "Ironically" made a big rise in hardliner muslims... eah, hardliners exists here for a long time... but after they are given grants to build schools and universities... they start produce hardline acedemics, and even terrorists. Blame the USA anti-communists grants for brewing their own enemies.

Well - well, but put aside that ironical trends, you must still remember that most of Indonesian muslims are still Beer-Drinking, Pork-Eating, and Skip-Praying kind of guys.... :grin: ... the radical muslims are rising, it's true, but most of them become radicals through peer pressures, and negative propaganda against western entities (especially the Israel-Palestinian issues). Why I tell you to ask sonic for details, because he was an extreme type ofl "Beer-Drinkin", "Pork-Eatin", "Never Prayin", and "Ridiculously Emo" guy....

And I must said that officially, Atheism is forbidden in Indonesia... you can place a bet that Atheism was still a big factor... but as the ridiculous stereotypes that atheist = communist, and communists are strictly forbidden... well, you can't list atheists as your system of belief here... on your ID card...

indifferent agnostic, but voted athiest in the absence of my preferred option.

Yeah, IIRC, many of Indonesia's Muslims are 'abangan' Muslims, meaning though they are technically Muslims, they are heavily influenced by their own local native/pagan practices. Kind of like the Muslim equivalent of Catholics.

*runs away*

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

All you Christians are atheists just like me. I simply happen to not believe in just one more god than you do. :beam:

Only my creed of atheism is right. Agnostics must burn at the stake for their heresy.

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Hear hear

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

Yeah... you have contact with sonic right? then ask him about that :grin: Not entire Indonesian muslims are hard-liners jihadim, most of them are Beer-Drinking, Pork-Eating, skip prayings, and even loathe religious rituals things... Did you know, until 90's, most of Indonesian muslims still common to eat pigs?!? I'm not joking, if you found an old recipe books from Indonesia, you'll astonished when you see how many alcoholic beverages and porks we consume... Rising Education quality... "Ironically" made a big rise in hardliner muslims... eah, hardliners exists here for a long time... but after they are given grants to build schools and universities... they start produce hardline acedemics, and even terrorists. Blame the USA anti-communists grants for brewing their own enemies.

Well - well, but put aside that ironical trends, you must still remember that most of Indonesian muslims are still Beer-Drinking, Pork-Eating, and Skip-Praying kind of guys.... :grin: ... the radical muslims are rising, it's true, but most of them become radicals through peer pressures, and negative propaganda against western entities (especially the Israel-Palestinian issues). Why I tell you to ask sonic for details, because he was an extreme type ofl "Beer-Drinkin", "Pork-Eatin", "Never Prayin", and "Ridiculously Emo" guy....

And I must said that officially, Atheism is forbidden in Indonesia... you can place a bet that Atheism was still a big factor... but as the ridiculous stereotypes that atheist = communist, and communists are strictly forbidden... well, you can't list atheists as your system of belief here... on your ID card...

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Look, I had an Indonesian friend in 8th grade, I know how it generally is (very generally), but whatever it is, from what I heard was that Indonesia was on average much more religious than any average Western secular nation, and I did not think that one of the most crucial components of Islam escaped from you. But it says good things about you and your country IMHO, if you know so little about Islam ~;) - you can try to find out yourself why, or ask me if you give up :yes:

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

And I must said that officially, Atheism is forbidden in Indonesia... you can place a bet that Atheism was still a big factor... but as the ridiculous stereotypes that atheist = communist, and communists are strictly forbidden... well, you can't list atheists as your system of belief here... on your ID card...

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I have to say, I am not sure which I am most disturbed about.

The fact atheism is forbidden or the fact you have to display your faith on an Identity Card.

I'm still confused...so where is that pool now?!? ~;)

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Well, agnostics are atheists, necessarily. I like the word "antitheist" a lot though.

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The best one I've heard someone describe themselves as is an apatheist. One who does not care if there is a God.

Whats up with all the Catholic bashing!! Maybe most of my Church will take it but you better watch out.

Yeah strike we may have our idols but at least we dont dance with snakes. :laugh:

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The only true christians are protestants, catholics are idol worshipers.

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That is such a broad and ridiculous statement i'm not sure whethe rto take you seriously.