Did Zeus never teach Athena to have some tolerance with Muslims?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AF2HM20101116

well well, I can imagine how annoying muslim immigrants are... but pelting them with eggs like peltasts are not cool, especially when they celebrate the Eid-ul-Adha and supposed to give free beef and goat steaks to their neighbours...

because you hellenes are bad with them, so no free goat steaks for you this year...

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Ok, ok, real commentary about this event:
- this night, the news (at TV) here announce this event, and they shown how the angry Greek mob throwing eggs, stones, and almost everything nasty violently to a small (!) muslim group gathered to do a religious ceremony in the central square (which was public ground), and the video shown there is not even pomp and ceremonies, just some goats are shown (for the sacrifice).
- as most of you allready knew, I was rather at odds with the muslims, but seeing them abused this heavy and even the police force (who are supposedly neutral at least) joins the fray into beating some children and even babies hit by baton... (!) ok people, this is too much...

just want to know, how "deep" european hatred with muslims allready grow, and why this event happened...

I don't understand are you saying you don't understand why a Greek might not like muslim immigrants being in Greece, I imagine muslims have never being welcome in Greece ever since the time of the Turks and up to and including today.

Kristallnacht.

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Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

I don't understand are you saying you don't understand why a Greek might not like muslim immigrants being in Greece, I imagine muslims have never being welcome in Greece ever since the time of the Turks and up to and including today.

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yeah, but what bothers me is they start to do "overkill" with their "protests"

pelting rotten eggs and stones, hitting and kicking at MEN should be acceptable enough in severe cases, but hitting women, batoning children, and kick some babies in their mother's hands is just... too much...

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

pelting rotten eggs and stones, hitting and kicking at MEN should be acceptable enough in severe cases

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

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I just meant if the protesters are real MEN, they should avoid doing violences on helpless WOMEN and CHILDREN.

Maybe the Mohameddans will become the scapegoats for the woes of Greece? The scenes there were pretty shocking, most of them weren't even Turks so it's not like you could explain it with the old nationalist rivalry.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

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Well you didn't mind when it happened to the police...

They'd better watch out if they start bearing gifts.

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

yeah, but what bothers me is they start to do "overkill" with their "protests"

pelting rotten eggs and stones, hitting and kicking at MEN should be acceptable enough in severe cases, but hitting women, batoning children, and kick some babies in their mother's hands is just... too much...

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You do realise these were far right loons right there gonna hate everyone, casual racism of Muslims is increasing Europewide but remember it is not happening in a vacuum.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Well you didn't mind when it happened to the police...

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Oh come on you know that wasn't serious.

Yeah the overdone pc-ness with multiculturalism has shot itself in the foot, the ordinary people don't buy it anymore. Unfortunately that may mean they swing to the other extreme and become openly hostile to Muslims. Islamophobia (horrid word, but I shall use it for conveience) is now seen as much more acceptable. This is especially worrying in a country as unstable as Greece...

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Oh come on you know that wasn't serious.

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Would't be a stretch to think you were, I know you wouldn't condone causing serious harm to a person, but when it comes to trashing property even some Uni professors openly came out and supported it.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Would't be a stretch to think you were, I know you wouldn't condone causing serious harm to a person, but when it comes to trashing property even some Uni professors openly came out and supported it.

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Thrashing property is something I whole-heartedly support, of course!



Also, in a thread like this it should be noted that the ones responsible for the current economic trouble in Greexe is every single Greek person. They cannot claim that some outside force screwed them over, they did this to themselves. It wasn't just some banks, it wasn't just the rich, it wasn't the immigrants, it wasn't the politicians, it wasn't the workers. It was every single one. It was the doctor who didn't care to pay tax, it was his customers who didn't want to pay VAT.

Of course, that doesn't stop nationalist mobs from blaming everyone else in their hate-campaigns.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Thrashing property is something I whole-heartedly support, of course!

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Especially when it's Conservative Party property, I'll bet! Trust a Viking!

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Especially when it's Conservative Party property, I'll bet! Trust a Viking!

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I'd lie if I said that didn't tickle me a little extra..... Hey, at least I'm honest!

And besides, being Viking, I of course approve of all pillaging of the British Isles.....

Hmm, our dialogue is dragging things OT...

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Kristallnacht.

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In what way is this the same? Or were you just making a Godwin for the lulz (I do that as well sometimes)?

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

In what way is this the same? Or were you just making a Godwin for the lulz (I do that as well sometimes)?

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A large-scale episode of violence and harassment directed at a minority which has been subjected to a long hate and fear-campaign.

Also, it was the first thought that poped into my head after i read the article.

Yeah but the major difference is the Nazi's used their own forces, unlike the current Greek government. A bit o' hyperbole there methinks...

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I just meant if the protesters are real MEN, they should avoid doing violences on helpless WOMEN and CHILDREN.

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Violence is against the law. Against men, women and children. Having a penis and more testosterone doesn't exempt you from being hit by people. I won't even try to understand how you condone violence and perhaps even promote violence (in severe cases, whatever the hell that means).

Where I live, I am happy that the nation-wide consensus is not (yet) "Oh, you can hit (Muslim) men and throw eggs at them." It's repulsive, abhorrent and you should be ashamed, as far as I reckon, for even proposing such a thing. It's disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Hax

Violence is against the law. Against men, women and children. Having a penis and more testosterone doesn't exempt you from being hit by people. I won't even try to understand how you condone violence and perhaps even promote violence (in severe cases, whatever the hell that means).

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Probably it is because we can't all live in comfortable western liberal democracies and hold idealistic principles about the equality of men and women while completely ignoring reality.

Outside of our little world, violence between men is commonplace, but when women and children start getting beat up it means things are generally getting serious. It must take some amount of hatred to overcome the natural tendency not to harm women and children.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Probably it is because we can't all live in comfortable western liberal democracies and hold idealistic principles about the equality of men and women while completely ignoring reality.

Outside of our little world, violence between men is commonplace, but when women and children start getting beat up it means things are generally getting serious. It must take some amount of hatred to overcome the natural tendency not to harm women and children.

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So......

Ghandi was from western Europe? :inquisitive:

Yeah Ghandi was very cosmpolitan he was well educated before he decided to walk about in a piece of cloth for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Hax

Violence is against the law. Against men, women and children. Having a penis and more testosterone doesn't exempt you from being hit by people. I won't even try to understand how you condone violence and perhaps even promote violence (in severe cases, whatever the hell that means).

Where I live, I am happy that the nation-wide consensus is not (yet) "Oh, you can hit (Muslim) men and throw eggs at them." It's repulsive, abhorrent and you should be ashamed, as far as I reckon, for even proposing such a thing. It's disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Outside of our little world, violence between men is commonplace, but when women and children start getting beat up it means things are generally getting serious. It must take some amount of hatred to overcome the natural tendency not to harm women and children.

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well, I just want to point out that those protesters are attacking helpless women and children, group who had little to no chance of retaliation... so they have done more horrible things than attacking men who clearly shown to hit back their attackers (but still overwhelmed by numbers though).

Not meant I advising violence against men, but in every society and culture, women and children are generally should be more protected, don't they?

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

women are generally should be more protected, don't they?

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Bah.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Bah.

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You don't want it to be true so it can't be true?

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

You don't want it to be true so it can't be true?

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No I'm saying it's not my view on things.

But how can you deny it?

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Outside of our little world, violence between men is commonplace, but when women and children start getting beat up it means things are generally getting serious. It must take some amount of hatred to overcome the natural tendency not to harm women and children.

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The natural tendency to not harm women and children?

lol. Women and children are most commonly those getting the tom kicked out of them, because men who use violence are generaly cowards. People who start/go looking for fights are generaly cowards. These Greeks are cowards

See the trend?

Maaaaaan, it's been much too long since I egged and stoned something.

White trash meh. No fan of Islam but this is idiotic

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

The natural tendency to not harm women and children?

lol. Women and children are most commonly those getting the tom kicked out of them, because men who use violence are generaly cowards. People who start/go looking for fights are generaly cowards. These Greeks are cowards

See the trend?

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

But how can you deny it?

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I don't even care what other peoples stance is on this. If you feel that way, kudos to you, but I don't.