Kung Fu Knows Grappling Better Than BJJ/Judo/Wrestling?
It just occurred to me that from the stand up, there are almost no wrestlers, Judokas, BJJist, etc who I have ever sparred with who can take me out in a grappling match, and the two who can cannot do it consistently. I am a big guy, and yet I roll with people my own size and bigger (though they are hard to find :P). In a grappling only match, my Kung Fu beats their Wrestling/BJJ/Judo! The only people I have ever wrestled with who have proved a real challenge have been my brothers and other Kung Fu practitioners who I know (and my brothers are smaller than me (two substantially so))! It seems to me that Kung Fu does better grappling than grappling arts!
What is different? Several things.
First of all, we Kung fuists keep a high and forward guard (something that wrestlers told me was stupid in a grappling match).
Second of all, we almost always ignore everything but the head (there is a reason that my bro has gained the nick "Headhunter"), and try to take them down instantly.
If someone goes for our legs, we get their head. If they go for our trunk, we get their head. If they go for our head, we get their head. :P Most times I grapple with a wrestler, the match ends in seconds with me giving him a brain burster, or dragging him to the ground by his neck.
Third of all, we keep a higher stance, which allows us to better go for the head.
Fourth of all, we keep a grass guard, and have very little resistance in our forearms.
Fifth, I think Kung Fuists use structure more to their advantage, while grapplers rely more on muscle.
Sixth, we are more dynamic. We respond to our opponent's movements, and when we do, we do with with dynamic, sudden, and violent force. We don't lock force with someone else, we instantly move in from a different angle.
Seventh, we seem to be more sensitive fighters. That is to say that we seem to sense things first, and be able to react to changing force in a better manner.
Eighth, all of our takedowns end with us above our opponents. We don't do sacrifice throws, or any thing that would put us on the same level as, or beneath our opponent. If they are laying, we are kneeling or standing, and if they are kneeling, we are standing.
Honestly, in my experience, Kung Fu seems to be superior at grappling than grappling arts...and they are not grappling arts! (the Kung Fu I am referring to is Wing Tsun and Taiji. I used Kung Fu generically because of the shared principles and the fact that neither of them are grappling arts...well...Taiji is...a little...)
So, am I mad, or are grappling arts just not all they are made out to be?
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Get some experience with an oiled-wrestler and then we will be happy to listen to your bragging.
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LeftEyeNine
lol, and in real life are you going to be shirtless and covered in oil? Chances are, no, so why train that way? No offense, but many people used to fighting like that would probably get wooped if they grappled in a real situation with someone who practices in street clothes and without all the kinky lube.
EDIT: So basically you are saying that if I fight like a wrestler I will die like a wrestle? My point was that Kung Fuist will win because they don't fight like wrestlers.
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the real Kung-Fuist always prefer to deliver high roundhouse kick directly to the head in Real life situations, rather than spend times on ridiculously close grappling situations, you need to keep some ranges against armed opponents, and kicking his brain-case with full force will definitely cause him to shocked and fall. Feel free to do a Stork's stab finisher (with foot raised high in the air and full force stomping the neck or skull), death is definitely the result.
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What kind of real life situations are you guys talking about? In a real real life violent confrontation, Kung Fu wouldn't be the first tool in my toolbox I would reach for. ~;)
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PanzerJaeger
well, here, we can own and carry firearms, the law permitting that.
too bad, the pistol's price is skyrocket high here, somewhat ridiculous is, the price of AK-47, SS3 and Uzi is cheaper for some reasons...
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Vuk
lol, and in real life are you going to be shirtless and covered in oil? Chances are, no, so why train that way? No offense, but many people used to fighting like that would probably get wooped if they grappled in a real situation with someone who practices in street clothes and without all the kinky lube.
EDIT: So basically you are saying that if I fight like a wrestler I will die like a wrestle? My point was that Kung Fuist will win because they don't fight like wrestlers.
I thought the topic was about a sports-level comparison of martial arts when it comes to grappling.
In real life, chances are, these masters of grappling who are used to fighting oiled, unoiled and in casual wear as you could imagine, would make a paste out of you.
9 cents.
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Cute Wolf
the real Kung-Fuist always prefer to deliver high roundhouse kick directly to the head in Real life situations, rather than spend times on ridiculously close grappling situations, you need to keep some ranges against armed opponents, and kicking his brain-case with full force will definitely cause him to shocked and fall. Feel free to do a Stork's stab finisher (with foot raised high in the air and full force stomping the neck or skull), death is definitely the result.
lol, that REALLY depends on the Kung Fu you study. ~;) I would not grapple in real life of course, but my point was that if I did grapple, principles from Kung Fu seem to work better than real grappling arts.
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LeftEyeNine
I thought the topic was about a sports-level comparison of martial arts when it comes to grappling.
In real life, chances are, these masters of grappling who are used to fighting oiled, unoiled and in casual wear as you could imagine, would make a paste out of you.
9 cents.
Maybe. I am sure there are those who could, but they are martial artists with a lot more experience and in a lot better shape. How would they fare against a Kung Fuist on their level and with their level of fitness? I cannot compare that, but I can compare me (a relatively inexperienced martial artist who is not in the best of shape) and my youngest brother (who has had only 2nd hand martial arts knowledge from me and is very small) with grapplers who are much more experienced than us and in much better shape than me. Kung Fu wins. I have wrestled for instance guys from my college team who were highly ranked on the Rapids Team in high school (I am sure that means nothing to you, but Rapids wins the state wrestling championships...every year :P), and have held my own at worst and at best have been able to consistently win. (we don't do it by wrestling rules though. For instance, we don't require that to grab the head you need an arm as well. We basically say anything goes but strikes and eye-gouges :P)
My little brother (who is tiny at 170 lbs) has been able to out grapple guys who weigh 200+ and were champion wrestlers in high school (and one who apparently was pretty good in college as well).
Of course we would not stand a chance against pros, but then again we are not pros ourselves. ~;) My point is that on a relatively fair comparison, Kung Fu seems to be superior to grappling (at least if most rules are removed).
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for somewhat reasons, I think CW boast too much about his ability to strike with a kick, I've seen he's quite often choked and dragged by his twin sister, and he can do nothing :grin:
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I only recently started training and I was what in most sports would be labeled Bantam or even less. And I wrestled with guys almost literally double my weight and I won. Some who had quite a bit of Martial arts experience some who didnt. Actually one of two guys I lost to was a judoka. So from my experience it's best to not do martial arts, to weigh as little as possible, to not train your muscles if you want to win wrestling games. And if you do want to train, pick Judo.
Of course we all know that isn't true, but that shows what personal experience can do.
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Sonic
for somewhat reasons, I think CW boast too much about his ability to strike with a kick, I've seen he's quite often choked and dragged by his twin sister, and he can do nothing :grin:
I love violent women
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Major Robert Dump
I love violent women
you'll think otherwise when you have violent twin sister, who can do anything over you, but when you try to hit her back, she'll just tell mom and...
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Moros
I only recently started training and I was what in most sports would be labeled Bantam or even less. And I wrestled with guys almost literally double my weight and I won. Some who had quite a bit of Martial arts experience some who didnt. Actually one of two guys I lost to was a judoka. So from my experience it's best to not do martial arts, to weigh as little as possible, to not train your muscles if you want to win wrestling games. And if you do want to train, pick Judo.
Of course we all know that isn't true, but that shows what personal experience can do.
Well, I will believe it if a wrestler or Judoka my size or less can beat me. ~;) I have thrown my Judo instructor Moros, and never met a Judoka who was able to actually throw me. I have never studied a grappling art prior to Judo. I am gonna be giving Wrestling a chance to prove itself after Spring Break actually. One of my brother's friends was a champion in highschool, and one of the best on the college team, AND he is nearly my size. My bro is going to be hooking me up with him after break for a friendly match or two. :) I will let you know the result. Considering that I have never seriously studied a grappling art, and am fat, out of shape, and have several physical disabilities, there is not reason that he should not be able to beat me in a grappling match...but we will see. (and no, I am not planning on training for it either :P)
