Provinces and Factions hardcoded effects
I'd like to gather knowledge about hardcoded effects for factions and provinces.
- FACTIONS:
- FN_PAPIST
This is surely the most hardcoded faction. All stuff concerning crusades (asks for support/crusades, money for being a good catholic/crusader), excomunications, no wifes, no princes/princesses. etc. But the most important for me is the re-emerging ability.
As eat cold steel wrote:
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the Papist will only re-emerge if they existed in Rome before, if if you take out they faction altogether then they can't come back. Here is the deal, "if they existed in Rome before" what you can do is mod out ID_ROME from the game (or make a blank region and make that Rome like sahara - with no neighbour so the Papist will never get hold of it from the rebels,) the Papist will get one life only.
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More from ECS on modding the Pope out of the game:Actually, I am not sure if it will work or not, he will be out of the game but all the stuff to do with excommuication and granting crusades and stuff will still be in effect - he'll still meddle in your kingdom when even when he is off the map. Give it a try anyway, replace all ID_ROME with ID_AFRICA and ID AFRICA with ID_ROME. By effectively isolating the pope he will exist but not interfere with gameplay
for some additional informations about Pope read Caravel posts below. - FN_GOLDEN HORDE
emerges in 1230 via hardcoded event - can't be changed. - FN_SWISS
emerges in ID_SWITZERLAND about 1280-1453 via hardcoded event - can't be changed.
emerges only if loyalty is below 120%. - added by Caravel - FN_BURGUNDIAN
emerges in ID_BURGUNDY about 1350-1453 via hardcoded event - can't be changed.
emerges only if loyalty is below 120%. - added by Caravel - FN_BYZANTINE
King seems to always have 2 more influence (default is 4)
and +1 command star - added by Caravel - FN_GERMAN_HRE
It's impossible to eliminate the faction by killing off the leader and heirs, they just elect a new one. - added by drone - FN_FRENCH
As the main crusading faction they seem to have a priority list of provinces for crusades: ID_TOULOUSE, ID_AQUITAINE, ID_TRIPOLI, ID_JERUSALEM, ID_EDESSA, ID_ANTIOCH. I'm not 100% sure - this list may be applicable for all crusading factions. - FN_07 - "The Vikings"
Info in VIKINGS.txt: "Initial Ports - These attract raiders" - looks like only ports placed in startpos file attract Vikings.
The Vikings get full value for destroyed buildings when raiding. This is active until they switch from Pagan to Christian. - added by drone
The Vikings can also board ships from any province regardless if it has a port or not. - added by gollum
- PROVINCES: - I mean only provinces directly connected with factions, not with events.
- ID_ROME
see FN_PAPIST above. - ID_KHAZAR, ID_VOLGA_BULGARIA, ID_GEORGIA, ID_ARMENIA
Target provinces for Golden Horde ??? ID_KHAZAR seems to be the main province. - see FN_GOLDEN_HORDE above.
If you find any errors or know something about other factions or provinces, please, leave a message. I'd like to make this list as complete as possible.
Re: Provinces and Factions hardcoded effects
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Stazi
FN_GERMAN_HRE
I read about Germans somewhere but I can't recall now.
My guess is this probably is related to their faction leader/heir scheme. It's impossible to eliminate the faction by killing off the leader and heirs, they just elect a new one.
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Stazi
FN_07 - "The Vikings"
ECS wrote:
I don't know what does it exactly mean but it may be connected with info in VIKINGS.txt :"// Initial Ports - These attract raiders"
The Vikings get full value for destroyed buildings when raiding. This is active until they switch from Pagan to Christian.
Re: Provinces and Factions hardcoded effects
IIRC the Vikings can also board ships from any province regardless if it has a port or not.
Re: Provinces and Factions hardcoded effects
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Stazi
I'd like to gather knowledge about hardcoded effects for factions and provinces.
FACTIONS:
FN_PAPIST
This is surely the most hardcoded faction. All stuff concerning crusades (asks for support/crusades, money for being a good catholic/crusader), excomunications, no wifes, no princes/princesses. etc. But the most important for me is the re-emerging ability.
As eat cold steel wrote:
The papal faction and the "papal bull" function are two separate entities. I believe you can remove the papacy by following ECS' advice regarding keeping them out of Rome. With the papacy faction removed, the "papal bull" function should stop as that's what usually happens, without having been in Rome though they shouldn't be able to reappear as Rome is their "emergence" province as Switzerland is for the Swiss, Burgundy for the Burgundians and Khazar, Armenia, etc for the Golden Horde. You can test this easily. Remove Rome from the Papal faction's list of provinces from the startpos and place a strong rebel garrison there. Then start a game as the italians and wipe out the papacy and see what comes of it.
When the papacy reappear, they do so as a "new faction" (like when the golden horde appear) not as a loyalist revolt triggered by the presence of an under age heir and loyalty in former provinces below 120%.
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Stazi
FN_SWISS
emerges in ID_SWITZERLAND about 1280-1453 via hardcoded event - can't be changed.
FN_BURGUNDIAN
emerges in ID_BURGUNDY (maybe in neighbor provinces too?) about 1350-1453 via hardcoded event - can't be changed.
Only in Switzerland and Burgundy and only if loyalty is below 120%.
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Stazi
FN_BYZANTINE
King seems to always have 2 more influence (default is 4)
And +1 command star.
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gollum
IIRC the Vikings can also board ships from any province regardless if it has a port or not.
Yup, forgot about this one.
Re: Provinces and Factions hardcoded effects
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Caravel
The papal faction and the "papal bull" function are two separate entities. I believe you can remove the papacy by following ECS' advice regarding keeping them out of Rome. With the papacy faction removed, the "papal bull" function should stop as that's what usually happens, without having been in Rome though they shouldn't be able to reappear as Rome is their "emergence" province as Switzerland is for the Swiss, Burgundy for the Burgundians and Khazar, Armenia, etc for the Golden Horde. You can test this easily. Remove Rome from the Papal faction's list of provinces from the startpos and place a strong rebel garrison there. Then start a game as the italians and wipe out the papacy and see what comes of it.
When the papacy reappear, they do so as a "new faction" (like when the golden horde appear) not as a loyalist revolt triggered by the presence of an under age heir and loyalty in former provinces below 120%.
If I understand correctly the new faction doesn't excommunicate, give moneys for crusades, ask for crusades, etc? Does this new faction still acts like papacy trying to reappear every 10 years or so?
So.. about papacy.. we have 3 triggers:
1. faction: FN_PAPIST - trigger core functions of papacy
2. province: ID_ROME - trigger keeping reappear as the same papacy faction and bull function
3. AI behavior: POPE - ...eee What does it really give? How does the POPE AI act?
Hmm. I just wonder how the pope will act if I make him e.g. islamic or pagan religion. This should be interesting (especially crusades and jihads).
Thank you guys for all answers.
Re: Provinces and Factions hardcoded effects
You're welcome Stazi,
take a look at this engineer's guild thread Axalon started some time ago in the same topic. Might prove useful.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...hardcoded-list!
Re: Provinces and Factions hardcoded effects
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Stazi
If I understand correctly the new faction doesn't excommunicate, give moneys for crusades, ask for crusades, etc? Does this new faction still acts like papacy trying to reappear every 10 years or so?
No, the new papal faction behaves much like the previous, but is perceptively much more aggressive due to the large stack of well upgraded units it appears with. It also reactivates the the "papal bull" function, so calls for crusades, warnings, excommunications and donations of money to "good catholics" begin again.
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Stazi
So.. about papacy.. we have 3 triggers:
1. faction: FN_PAPIST - trigger core functions of papacy
2. province: ID_ROME - trigger keeping reappear as the same papacy faction and bull function
3. AI behavior: POPE - ...eee What does it really give? How does the POPE AI act?
Hmm. I just wonder how the pope will act if I make him e.g. islamic or pagan religion. This should be interesting (especially crusades and jihads).
Thank you guys for all answers.
1. Yes the papist faction must exist, for the "papal bull" function to be active.
2. Rome seems to be linked doing by ECS' comments, but this needs proper testing.
3. The AI types are hardcoded, we can guess at what they are but we don't know what they actually consist of. The Pope AI seems very passive though. gollum has observed the behaviour of AI types more than I have so he may have some more input.
I've never tried changing the papal faction's religion... give it a go?
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First post updated.
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gollum
Thank you very much. I've read this thread long time ago and forgot about it. It's very informative and full of interesting ideas.
Caravel - thanks for the clarification.
