Ancient or folk?

Hello once again Europa Barbarorum fans, and members, and whatnot.

I, mighty jirisys "The Annoyer" am here to ask you another question that will annoy you!

First off, let me start... ... ... ... WITH A VIDEO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2DszSyo3wU

I have read on many pages that they are Armenian folk musicians, but the subtitle says otherwise.

Now as vartan has been busy. I have not had an armenian expert close. So I ask you people. Is that music ancient or folk?

I'm off! Flying reptilian bussfire away!

~Jirisys (It's the hawaiian meaning, not the sexual one)

How ancient do they mean?

I doubt the ancient armenians use keyboard and accordion. That's folk music :wink:

Plus, they'll use prettier girl, not an old woman, to perform in front of royalty, naturally.

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Originally Posted by Maeran

How ancient do they mean?

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Ancient as before armenian christian music.

~Jirisys ()

the melody used is traditional Armenian. However the accordian, and keyboards are modern instruments. Play the same melody with say a duduk, and kanon (harp like instrument) then I would say its more traditional.


here are 4 examples of traditional Armenian dance and music using traditional instruments. (watch the whole video for the first one its interesting)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcyk...eature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ3Lzbc74gE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le9F...eature=related (its called the fortress dance)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29aj...eature=related ( this is a war dance, it was performed before going to battle. They would slap the palms of their hands against each other, and it is recorded that this was done in such a manner where the hands would start bleeding. In the video its performed by both male and female dancers, but originally its performed by men only)

Thank you mighty ark'a

What are the songs the lady sings in the first seconds?

You didn't express that. But many thanks anyways.

:bow:

Also when you say traditional, that is around which period of history?

~Jirisys ()

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Originally Posted by jirisys

Thank you mighty ark'a

What are the songs the lady sings in the first seconds?

You didn't express that. But many thanks anyways.

:bow:

Also when you say traditional, that is around which period of history?

~Jirisys ()

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The lady is singing folk songs from Western Armenia. Most notably the Taron region of Western Armenia. Taron province is where Lake Van is located.

I cant really tell what time period they are from, but there are archelogical findings of duduks which date pre Christian. The war dance that I put in my last post, is talked about in the epic of David of Sasoun. This epic dates from anywhere between the 8th to 10th century AD and is about Armenia's fight for independence from Arab rule.

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The lady is singing folk songs from Western Armenia. Most notably the Taron region of Western Armenia. Taron province is where Lake Van is located.

I cant really tell what time period they are from, but there are archelogical findings of duduks which date pre Christian. The war dance that I put in my last post, is talked about in the epic of David of Sasoun. This epic dates from anywhere between the 8th to 10th century AD and is about Armenia's fight for independence from Arab rule.

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A new finding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOFyAESeK8

This seems like an early christian chant, possibly a liturgy, but I would like to hear it from a person with better knowledge of this subject.

Regards.

~Jirisys ()

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Originally Posted by jirisys

A new finding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOFyAESeK8

This seems like an early christian chant, possibly a liturgy, but I would like to hear it from a person with better knowledge of this subject.

Regards.




~Jirisys ()

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Yes its a liturgy of the Armenian Apostolic Church. Alot of the Christian chants in the Armenian church have similar arrangements as the folk songs.
This is a traditional Armenian song using traditional musical instruments. When you listen to it youll see the similarities with the liturgy you posted .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycrx...eature=related

I had the fortune of listening to a beautiful performance of Sareri Hovin yesterday evening at a commemorative event. Great story sung in Armenian, Turkish, and even Persian. The story is about a Muslim lad who falls in a forbidden love with a Christian lass.

EDIT: Boyit mernem Arto jan! :laugh4:

EDIT 2: Arto manem gali Adana yerkin bayc chem karoghanum jarel. Mek hat jareci ( http://youtu.be/BHHiPLG57S8 ) bayc vorak@ ahavore. Karoghes indz oknes yexpayr? Shnorakal em yes.

EDIT 3: Sareri Hovin may after all simply be a lamentation-style romantic song dealing with the loss (death or simply missing) of a lover. There's no mention of religious differences in the song and only one person mentioned that about the song, so for now I'd see it as a simple lamentation.

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I had the fortune of listening to a beautiful performance of Sareri Hovin yesterday evening at a commemorative event. Great story sung in Armenian, Turkish, and even Persian. The story is about a Muslim lad who falls in a forbidden love with a Christian lass.

EDIT: Boyit mernem Arto jan! :laugh4:

EDIT 2: Arto manem gali Adana yerkin bayc chem karoghanum jarel. Mek hat jareci ( http://youtu.be/BHHiPLG57S8 ) bayc vorak@ ahavore. Karoghes indz oknes yexpayr? Shnorakal em yes.

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The song is an Armenian song using Armenian melodies. It can be translated in Chinese, but still wont change the fact.


Heres the song about Adana you wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7w...E&feature=fvsr



Heres another traditional song using traditional instruments. Take note of the mens dress. The flaps coming down their shoulders and arms, go back to the days of Achamenid Persia, where the nobility would sling their coats over their shoulders and the sleeves would be flapping. These costumes in the video are a representation the dress the Armenian nobility wore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_T6...eature=related

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The song is an Armenian song using Armenian melodies. It can be translated in Chinese, but still wont change the fact.

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I know, I just wanted to mention the story behind it. Thanks for the link.

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Heres another traditional song using traditional instruments. Take note of the mens dress. The flaps coming down their shoulders and arms, go back to the days of Achamenid Persia, where the nobility would sling their coats over their shoulders and the sleeves would be flapping. These costumes in the video are a representation the dress the Armenian nobility wore.

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True! Also interesting is to note the matches between Vannic/Araratian/Urartian women's dress and traditional Armenian dress (in songs, dances, etc.) My great-grandmother herself wore those and hand-made doll models of the Armenian woman.