The Chinese way of economics

Straight from the party paper, garaunteed to be free from heretical thoughts, is China's international view of economic development.

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He Fan, deputy director of the World Economy and Politics Research Institute of the China Academy of Social Sciences, said that in its effort to build itself into such a bridgehead, Yunnan should give up the old practice of regarding neighboring countries as export markets only. Instead, it "should help them develop their economies, import their products and thus benefit both sides."

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The question is; will the conservatives in Europe ever understand this simple truth? Will they ever be able to see win-win situations, or will they forever crave to be the sole winner at everyone elses expense?

As for myself, I simply cannot wait until the day comes when India and China leads the world. We have much to learn here in this soon-to-be backwater.

when will the eu recognise that giving aid whilst restricting market access does nothing but keep those neighbouring countries poor, no better than the corn-laws of 19th century britain.

may your dreams never come true.

Human rights is one of Jintao's favorite subjects to talk up as well...

China will do what is in its best interest. The government obviously sees some value in its neighbors seeing themselves as partners and not dumping grounds for China's unsold crap. How this initiative will actually play out is really anyone's guess.

Your faith in the veracity and altruistic intentions of the PRC seems completely out of touch with reality. Your eager anticipation of their ascendancy... insane.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

As for myself, I simply cannot wait until the day comes when India and China leads the world. We have much to learn here in this soon-to-be backwater.

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The Nordic model is the pinnacle of human rights and dignity. The best the world has ever seen.

It has but one flaw. It is determined to abolish itself out of shame over its own succes.

Norway,...or the Chinese camps. Hmm....tough choice!

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

The Nordic model is the pinnacle of human rights and dignity. The best the world has ever seen.

It has but one flaw. It is determined to abolish itself out of shame over its own succes.

Norway,...or the Chinese camps. Hmm....tough choice!

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I find it fascinating that even you, Louis, managed to overlook the worlds largest multicultural liberal democracy in the world, India, just because China was mentioned in the same sentence. I honestly did not expect that you would be overcome by your fears.

Anyways, as for the first reply: well, that was pretty much the point of the article, wasn't it, Furunculus? The article was about strengthening the imports from Burma to the southern region of China, and to take care not to destroy Burma's export capabilities when increasing production in China.

The point of it was that this was the way forward for China, not just Burma. If China was to be succesful and prosperous, this has to be done. The logic is sound, and as the Chinese government requires extreme growth in order to stay in power, why on earth won't they do this? As PJ states, China will do what is in their own interest. The conclusion they have drawn, is that doing this is in their own interest. So, since 1+1=2, this is likely to happen.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I find it fascinating that even you, Louis, managed to overlook the worlds largest multicultural liberal democracy in the world, India, just because China was mentioned in the same sentence. I honestly did not expect that you would be overcome by your fears.

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India...India...despite it being a conservative sectarian madhouse, it is fine with me. The world will be multipolar, and India might be among the less regretful to (re)rise to prominence.

China as of yet is an authoritarian state bend on global domination. Don't blame me, you quoted a Chinese propaganda paper to sing the praise of your future overlords. :shrug:

Meanwhile, this week non-government papers about China have been reporting not about friendly get togethers with China's southern dependent territories befriended neighbours, but about Bejing rounding up dissidents for fear of the Arab Spring spreading to China.

Do you honestly believe that I don't know about China's human rights abuses, Louis.....?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Do you honestly believe that I don't know about China's human rights abuses, Louis.....?

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Well you seem pretty apt to take what is basically a regional power play hook, line, and sinker

But I would excpect nothing less from a liverpool fan

Oh, I assume you know about them. That's why I question your eagerness to embrace China's rise.


We, the West, do not abuse human rights anywhere on the planet and we strive towards win-win development of all.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Well you seem pretty apt to take what is basically a regional power play hook, line, and sinker

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Bah. The Chinese think of themselves first and foremost, of course they do. But they have discovered that for themselves to profit the most, they must also consider their potentional markets. Quite an obvious fact if I may say so. If they rise at the expense of everyone else, they will hit a glass ceiling. If they make sure that others tag along, they will be able to rise further. China is an exporting nation, they need to build up a demand for their goods.

As for the achina Daily, of course I'm aware that its government propaganda, and I treat it as such. Just like I treat what comes from any domestic party as propaganda. But I read it nonetheless, and I find that its often interesting, and gives a different perspective.

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But I would excpect nothing less from a liverpool fan

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Now you crossed the line.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Oh, I assume you know about them. That's why I question your eagerness to embrace China's rise.


We, the West, do not abuse human rights anywhere on the planet and we strive towards win-win development of all.

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:laugh4:

Disregarding your last sentence, why do I anticipate the rise of India and China? Because I believe both nations have the potential to be wonderful countries in 30 years or so. Kinda like how the most splendid and progressive nation the world has ever seen, France, was butchering brownies, engaging in petty border feuds and lead the world into the worst war in history under a century ago.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

As for myself, I simply cannot wait until the day comes when India and China leads the world. We have much to learn here in this soon-to-be backwater.

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This is based off of what, official PRC rhetoric? As PJ said, you actually trust what comes out of the PRC's mouth? Pry tell what will happen when China has to keep interest rates high and growth low to fight all the inflation years of an exported oriented economy has caused. The western half of the country has yet to experience the growth/developed the eastern half has and mainly still lives in poverty. Furthermore, they still have a totalitarian government which easily still manipulates the free flow of information. How do you know what is REALLY going on?

As for India, corruption, red tape, poor access to education and health care will will continue to hamper it well into the future.

and. no. representative. control.

when bad things were happening to the mau-mau there was at least a mechanism for it to be discussed:

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It has been said – and it is a fact – that these 11 men were the lowest of the low; subhuman was the word which one of my honorable Friends used. So be it. But that cannot be relevant to the acceptance of responsibility for their death. In general, I would say that it is a fearful doctrine, which must recoil upon the heads of those who pronounce it, to stand in judgement on a fellow human being and to say, ‘Because he was such-and-such, therefore the consequences which would otherwise flow from his death shall not flow.’

Nor can we ourselves pick and choose where and in what parts of the world we shall use this or that kind of standard. We cannot say, ‘We will have African standards in Africa, Asian standards in Asia and perhaps British standards here at home.’ We have not that choice to make. We must be consistent with ourselves everywhere.

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who will say this for the tibetans?

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Originally Posted by Ice

This is based off of what, official PRC rhetoric?

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Mostly on the worlds largest multicultural and liberal democracy.

Also, poor access to healthcare? Give me a break. How many million americans was it without healthcare again? Corruption? Please, may I point out the never-ending benefits scheme in the english parliament?

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As PJ said, you actually trust what comes out of the PRC's mouth?

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No.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Mostly on the worlds largest multicultural and liberal democracy.

Also, poor access to healthcare? Give me a break. How many million americans was it without healthcare again? Corruption? Please, may I point out the never-ending benefits scheme in the english parliament?

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I'm not saying the UK is fine and dandy, but it is nothing in comparison with the corruption that goes on in China. A nice article which shows that Chinese corruption can even upset parts of Africa, hardly known for their transparency.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

I'm not saying the UK is fine and dandy, but it is nothing in comparison with the corruption that goes on in China.

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Who said it was?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

As for myself, I simply cannot wait until the day comes when India and China leads the world. We have much to learn here in this soon-to-be backwater.

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You can't wait for the day to come when a state who regularly endorses the torture and persecution of its own citizens (China not India) takes the lead in world affairs? Really?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Mostly on the worlds largest multicultural and liberal democracy.

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Oh yeah I forgot. The largest liberal democracy will eventually rule the world. That makes perfect sense.

Even if this absurd notion made any sense... psst... what about China?

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Also, poor access to healthcare? Give me a break. How many million americans was it without healthcare again? Corruption? Please, may I point out the never-ending benefits scheme in the english parliament?

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Horetore, by comparing the American health care system to India's and its level of corruption to the UK, you have basically shown you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Who do exactly do you think is influencing this "academic" who you quoted above?

From my understanding the health care problems between the US and India are waaaay different.

In India, they can't afford to cover everyone.
In the US, we can afford to cover everyoone, but a large portion of the population believes in putting profit and the right to let someone die over forcing doctors to treat everyone.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

From my understanding the health care problems between the US and India are waaaay different.

In India, they can't afford to cover everyone.
In the US, we can afford to cover everyoone, but a large portion of the population believes in putting profit and the right to let someone die over forcing doctors to treat everyone.

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Ouch...

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

From my understanding the health care problems between the US and India are waaaay different.

In India, they can't afford to cover everyone.
In the US, we can afford to cover everyoone, but a large portion of the population believes in putting profit and the right to let someone die over forcing doctors to treat everyone.

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I guess we must have some sort of complex over slavery.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I guess we must have some sort of complex over slavery.

CR

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The doctors are paid more than fair wages, they are not whipped and beaten, they can quit their profession at any time, they can vote and petition the government to change the law if they want to.

You sir have lost all sense of reality. A slave that can just walk away from his profession with no penalty at all, is not a slave.

Well, if a Doctor went into Medicine for the money he went into the wrong field. Not that the money isn't good (because it is), but it completely misses the point and chances are he'll end up being a bad doctor who isn't worthy of his pay, and yes this happens quite frequently, a major problem for the US.

Am I the only one getting a Vuk-y vibe from hore tore?

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Am I the only one getting a Vuk-y vibe from hore tore?

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I was hoping to debate economic cooperation and development in neighboring countries as a means to increase ones own economy...

It seems that I kinda ruined that by adding some tongue-in-cheek comments, the mention of China seems to be more of a red flag than I anticipated.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I was hoping to debate economic cooperation and development in neighboring countries as a means to increase ones own economy...

It seems that I kinda ruined that by adding some tongue-in-cheek comments, the mention of China seems to be more of a red flag than I anticipated.

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That's a great play of words there. :beam:


We still [love] you, Hore, my dear old Maoist. :smitten:

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

The doctors are paid more than fair wages, they are not whipped and beaten, they can quit their profession at any time, they can vote and petition the government to change the law if they want to.

You sir have lost all sense of reality. A slave that can just walk away from his profession with no penalty at all, is not a slave.

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Ah, so you're not really forcing anyone to treat anyone then.

One issue is that Congress limits the amount of doctors in training (being a medical resident) it sponsors, due to pressure from the AMA who feared that a glut of doctors would drive their wages down. And we also force foreign doctors to go through this training to practice here. The AMA also fought to prevent new medical schools from opening.

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A slave that can just walk away from his profession with no penalty at all, is not a slave.

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So, years in training and mounds of debt don't count?

CR

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

We still you, Hore,[...]

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That's just what the chinese government does, isn't it? They just still everyone who disagrees.


I think HoreTore has a point about keeping others able to buy your stuff but it can also develop naturally if you just buy their stuff in return and help their economy that way. Just selling something to a market and then giving the market the money to buy it in the first place doesn't sound like a clever idea at all. It helps to use the advantages of specialisation and relative advantages, if China produces everything and just does this to make others dependant on it, that's not helping anyone.

Giving Burma money to buy stuff isn't the idea discussed in the article, Husar.

The way outlined to improve their economy is what you called "letting it develop naturally", or in other words, increasing imports from Burma.

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Originally Posted by Husar

That's just what the chinese government does, isn't it? They just still everyone who disagrees.

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:shame:

That was my hangover messing with my type sentences coherent to ability