3rd or 4th front? These things are begining to run together

Hello Yemen

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225814224061

I love having my fingers in every part of the pie

Lessons learned from Afghanistan.

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Lessons learned from Afghanistan.

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Yea 5,000 bodies and trillions later

What's that old saying about us and doing the right thing after we screw up 1,000000 times?

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Yea 5,000 bodies and trillions later

What's that old saying about us and doing the right thing after we screw up 1,000000 times?

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Only 5,000?

Small change in a war.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Only 5,000?

Small change in a war.

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LOL, I don't know what you're trying to do here but I'm going to please ask you to stop

See no personal attack

I CAN BE MATURE

The best option available to a middle-eastern despot is to label his opposition Al-Qaida terrorists.

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Hello Yemen

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225814224061

I love having my fingers in every part of the pie

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Better than to go in with tens of thousands of troops and spending a trillion dollar to try to turn it into a Switzerland.

I thought this was old news sure isn't the article itself from Dec 2009

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LOL, I don't know what you're trying to do here but I'm going to please ask you to stop

See no personal attack

I CAN BE MATURE

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5,000 deaths over eleven years of war, on at least two fronts, is a paltry number. In the 100 hours of Desert Storm the Americans suffered 200 casualties.

While every human life is precious and of equal value a sense of perspective is vital here.

"One death is a tradgedy a thousand a statistic"?

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5,000 deaths over eleven years of war, on at least two fronts, is a paltry number. In the 100 hours of Desert Storm the Americans suffered 200 casualties.

While every human life is precious and of equal value a sense of perspective is vital here.

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Meh, I hold more vaule in human life that didn't need to be wasted

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Meh, I hold more vaule in human life that didn't need to be wasted

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I think you're just more sensationalist.

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I think you're just more sensationalist.

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Because 5,000 is an acceptable # for a war that we have nothing to show for

I think you just like being the stereotypical stiff upper lip

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Because 5,000 is an acceptable # for a war that we have nothing to show for

I think you just like being the stereotypical stiff upper lip

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We have quite a lot to show for it, Al Qeada brutally malled, OBL dead and the message that you can't attack the US or her allies with impunity. That is strategically very important.

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We have quite a lot to show for it, Al Qeada brutally malled, OBL dead and the message that you can't attack the US or her allies with impunity. That is strategically very important.

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How much of that has anything to do with Afghanistan though? I also think that the Arab Spring will do far, far more to maul AQ than even a 100% successful invasion of Afghanistan could have.

The real hotspots for the AQ types are Yemen and Somalia. Somalia is probably the only place in the world when AQ-aligned groups like al-Shabab actually control large portions of land and have a real military presence, as opposed to tight-knit terror cells etc.

We've had at least some on and off involvement in Yemen since 2002. Same with Mindanao. If anything, this is exactly the kind of thing that our allies would've preferred cross the board as opposed to grueling nation-building efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan that -- even if they succeed -- are bleeding ulcers for decades.

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Because 5,000 is an acceptable # for a war that we have nothing to show for

I think you just like being the stereotypical stiff upper lip

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If by "to show for" you meam cheaper gas or a big shiny 1st place trophy then you are right. If we guage by the level of redevelopment and progress of the society as a whole then you are wrong

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If by "to show for" you meam cheaper gas or a big shiny 1st place trophy then you are right. If we guage by the level of redevelopment and progress of the society as a whole then you are wrong

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What did most Americans think in march 2003?

Most Americans don't care about Progress of society, that's a sad truth but still a truth

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Only 5,000?

Small change in a war.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

5,000 deaths over eleven years of war, on at least two fronts, is a paltry number. In the 100 hours of Desert Storm the Americans suffered 200 casualties.

While every human life is precious and of equal value a sense of perspective is vital here.

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Uh, how many people died in 9/11?

Small change, right? No? It is only small change when it is innocent brown people instead of innocent white people? Oh, OK got it.

I dont care what they thought in 2003 because I was one of the "cowards" and "frenchmen" who was absolutely opposed to action in Iraq. But the simple fact remians that you dont go into a country, lay waste to its infrastructure because some rednecks felt giddy, and then say "my bad" and bail like a frat boy who forgot his rubber. I didn't start this crap, but by god I'm willing to see it through because we as a nation cant go around ***** countires up and then pulling out because all of our fat people on welfare start losing wiehgt in tough times. We made the ,ess, we clean it up

BIG BOY RULES

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I dont care what they thought in 2003 because I was one of the "cowards" and "frenchmen" who was absolutely opposed to action in Iraq. But the simple fact remians that you dont go into a country, lay waste to its infrastructure because some rednecks felt giddy, and then say "my bad" and bail like a frat boy who forgot his rubber. I didn't start this crap, but by god I'm willing to see it through because we as a nation cant go around ***** countires up and then pulling out because all of our fat people on welfare start losing wiehgt in tough times. We made the ,ess, we clean it up

BIG BOY RULES

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This is an admirable position and one I certainly agree with

But we are in the minorty and the rescources will never be there. It's better to bring our boys home

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Uh, how many people died in 9/11?

Small change, right? No? It is only small change when it is innocent brown people instead of innocent white people? Oh, OK got it.

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I believe the "5,000" Strike referenced is the number of American casualties, the number of Iraqi/Afgani casualties runs into the millions by now, I'm sure.

Also, if you want to pull the "brown people" card I shall play the "epic fail" card because Afgani's and Assyrians are about as "brown" as Italians.

Unless, of course you only consider Gallo-Arrians to be "white".

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I believe the "5,000" Strike referenced is the number of American casualties, the number of Iraqi/Afgani casualties runs into the millions by now, I'm sure.

Also, if you want to pull the "brown people" card I shall play the "epic fail" card because Afgani's and Assyrians are about as "brown" as Italians.

Unless, of course you only consider Gallo-Arrians to be "white".

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*The next day, PVC found himself knifed in Napoli*

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I believe the "5,000" Strike referenced is the number of American casualties, the number of Iraqi/Afgani casualties runs into the millions by now, I'm sure.

Also, if you want to pull the "brown people" card I shall play the "epic fail" card because Afgani's and Assyrians are about as "brown" as Italians.

Unless, of course you only consider Gallo-Arrians to be "white".

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:rolleyes:

The only epic fail is that you cannot see the point.

My point is that you say 5000 casualties is not worthy of consideration, but in another context it was considered enough to go to war over.

Whether it be based on color, nationality, society, ideaology or religion, the point of my "brown" comment was not intended literally...but to illustrate that while we consider the deaths of 5000 innocent 1st world civilians to be total outrage, the millions of casualties of innocent Iraqi and Afghan civilians are seen as a necessary evil.


Oh and to completely digress...in parts of North America I have seen olive-skinned persons of European heritage discriminated against and harrassed because they were not "white-enough" for the pinkies.