Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

Hello and welcome I am a longtime forum peeper first time poster. I hit a proverbial brick wall while fiddling with adding units.

I would like to make Hetairoi Kataphraktoi a recruitable unit for Arche. I run into a dead end. In my desperation I hope that some of you veteran modders out there might be able to help me or at least let me know whether it is at all possible to include HK on Seleucid unit roster.

Let me explain what I did:
1. First, the easy part. I copied unit card and unit info picture (EB\Data\UI) from brutii into julii folders. - It works.
2. Created new unit entry in export_descr_unit (the one in sp backup folder):

Code:

;471 type hellenic cavalry hetairoi kataphraktoi 2 dictionary hellenic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi ; Hetairoi Kataphraktoi category cavalry class heavy voice_type General_1 soldier hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi, 25, 0, 1 mount grivpanvar horse mount_effect elephant -1, chariot +2 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest formation 1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square stat_health 1, 1 stat_pri 5, 47, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 200 ,0.4 stat_pri_attr ap stat_sec 11, 28, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11 stat_sec_attr ap stat_pri_armour 29, 10, 0, metal stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 5 stat_ground 0, 0, -4, -1 stat_mental 18, disciplined, highly_trained stat_charge_dist 30 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 6000, 1700, 80, 100, 2924 ownership romans_julii

Works - all stats show on unit scroll when I recruit HK on strategic map.

3. Edited export_descr_buildings and enabled recruitment in Antiocheia. This works also, as I am able to recruit the unit in-game.

Now the trouble starts since I do not know where I went awry because I do not know how to check whether changes I make work as intended or not.

4. Two broad categories left are mount and soldier. I made changes to descr_model_battle like so:

Code:

; Hellenistic cavalry - Hetairoi Kataphraktoi type hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi skeleton fs_thp_m_spearman, fs_hc_swordsman indiv_range 40 texture romans_brutii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/hellenistic/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_romans_brutii_stefan25.TGA texture romans_julii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/hellenistic/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_romans_julii_stefan25.TGA model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 15 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 30 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 40 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, max model_sprite romans_brutii, 60.0, eb/data/sprites/hellenistic/ebsprite_hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi_romans_brutii.spr model_sprite romans_julii, 60.0, eb/data/sprites/hellenistic/ebsprite_hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi_romans_julii.spr model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

As you see I copied lines and replaced brutii with julii and I also created corresponding files with julii names (spr and tga).

Now when I go to battle map with HK I get CTD.

I do not know what to do with cas files. So I just left them the way they are. Could this be the problem. I see that all units "share" same cas files, but instead of faction name they have "spw" in its place. I do not know what is the significance of this, but it seems to be crucial.

PS. I use Notepad that came with windows for editing could this be the source of trouble?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

Hello Arche4Ever, welcome to the .Org and to EB ~:wave: .

Given that the CTD occurs at the battlemap, I don't think the .txt file is the problem. It sounds to me like a model/skin issue. Are you sure that this unit's model is not in use by another Seleucid unit? You cannot reuse models within a faction unless you employ the mercenary trick. (You can reuse models for units of other factions, but because the R:TW engine has a limited number of model slots available, all EB models are used by as many factions as possible. So it's likely that there already is a Seleucid unit with this particular model.)

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

Arche4Ever, try to do this:

no need in hellenic cavalry hetairoi kataphraktoi 2 EDU entry

just find in original EDU type hellenic cavalry hetairoi kataphraktoi and add in the ownership line romans_julii

Code:

type hellenic cavalry hetairoi kataphraktoi dictionary hellenic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi ; Hetairoi Kataphraktoi category cavalry class heavy voice_type General_1 soldier hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi, 25, 0, 1 mount grivpanvar horse mount_effect elephant -1, chariot +2 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest formation 1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square stat_health 1, 1 stat_pri 5, 47, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 200 ,0.4 stat_pri_attr ap stat_sec 11, 28, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11 stat_sec_attr ap stat_pri_armour 29, 10, 0, metal stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 5 stat_ground 0, 0, -4, -1 stat_mental 18, disciplined, highly_trained stat_charge_dist 30 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 6000, 1700, 80, 100, 2924 ownership romans_brutii, romans_julii

DMB

Code:

; Hellenistic cavalry - Hetairoi Kataphraktoi type hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi skeleton fs_thp_m_spearman, fs_hc_swordsman indiv_range 40 texture romans_brutii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/hellenistic/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_romans_brutii_stefan25.TGA texture romans_julii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/hellenistic/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_romans_brutii_stefan25.TGA model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 15 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 30 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 40 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, max model_sprite romans_brutii, 60.0, eb/data/sprites/hellenistic/ebsprite_hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi_romans_brutii.spr model_sprite romans_julii, 60.0, eb/data/sprites/hellenistic/ebsprite_hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi_romans_brutii.spr model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

Same DMB, find further Mount - Grivpanvar Horse, change code to this one

Code:

type ebmount_grivpanvar_horse skeleton fs_cataphract_horse scale 0.875 indiv_range 40 texture romans_scipii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman&agart_scipii.tga texture parthia, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_parthia.tga texture romans_brutii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_stefan25_romans_brutii.TGA texture romans_julii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_stefan25_romans_brutii.TGA texture pontus, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_antiochus_pontus.TGA texture merc, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_stefan25_merc.TGA texture slave, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_parthia.tga model_flexi_m eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_high.cas, 25 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_med.cas, 55 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_low.cas, 80 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_lowest.cas, max model_sprite romans_scipii, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_scipii.spr model_sprite parthia, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_sprite romans_brutii, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_romans_brutii.spr model_sprite romans_julii, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_romans_brutii.spr model_sprite pontus, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_sprite merc, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_sprite slave, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_tri 700, 0.3f, 0.3f, 0.3f

And don’t forget to backup all stuff before change something

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

Thank you Finn for your detailed solution. I will try it out tomorrow; I have no time to do this today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ludens

Hello Arche4Ever, welcome to the .Org and to EB ~:wave: .

Given that the CTD occurs at the battlemap, I don't think the .txt file is the problem. It sounds to me like a model/skin issue. Are you sure that this unit's model is not in use by another Seleucid unit? You cannot reuse models within a faction unless you employ the mercenary trick. (You can reuse models for units of other factions, but because the R:TW engine has a limited number of model slots available, all EB models are used by as many factions as possible. So it's likely that there already is a Seleucid unit with this particular model.)

Do you mean model of soldier and mount (soldier and mount lines in export_descr_unit) or tectures sprites of soldier/mount in descr_model_battle? Based on what you said I would have to delete an instance of this model from Seleucid or other faction'a rolla in order to make it available for Seleucid HK?

HK shares skeletons of both soldier (multiple units: cats, prodromoi, and so on) and mount (grivpanvar mount and hellenic cats have the same skeleton) with other Seleucid units.

Also, there is a merc unit Sahigan Pahr (Parthian General on grivpanvar horse) that is accessible to AS through the mercenary trick as you called it. This could be the solution to my troubles (copy HK skins over Pahr's). But even if it works it would destroy this unit for the other faction.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

I meant the soldier model. Don't know if mount model can be shared, but then I am not a modder.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail

Arche4Ever, try to do this:

no need in hellenic cavalry hetairoi kataphraktoi 2 EDU entry

just find in original EDU type hellenic cavalry hetairoi kataphraktoi and add in the ownership line romans_julii

Code:

type hellenic cavalry hetairoi kataphraktoi dictionary hellenic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi ; Hetairoi Kataphraktoi category cavalry class heavy voice_type General_1 soldier hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi, 25, 0, 1 mount grivpanvar horse mount_effect elephant -1, chariot +2 attributes sea_faring, hide_forest formation 1.5, 4, 3, 6, 4, square stat_health 1, 1 stat_pri 5, 47, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 200 ,0.4 stat_pri_attr ap stat_sec 11, 28, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11 stat_sec_attr ap stat_pri_armour 29, 10, 0, metal stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh stat_heat 5 stat_ground 0, 0, -4, -1 stat_mental 18, disciplined, highly_trained stat_charge_dist 30 stat_fire_delay 0 stat_food 60, 300 stat_cost 1, 6000, 1700, 80, 100, 2924 ownership romans_brutii, romans_julii

DMB

Code:

; Hellenistic cavalry - Hetairoi Kataphraktoi type hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi skeleton fs_thp_m_spearman, fs_hc_swordsman indiv_range 40 texture romans_brutii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/hellenistic/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_romans_brutii_stefan25.TGA texture romans_julii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/hellenistic/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_romans_brutii_stefan25.TGA model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 15 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 30 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, 40 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebhellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphraktoi_stefan25_romans_brutii_HIGH.CAS, max model_sprite romans_brutii, 60.0, eb/data/sprites/hellenistic/ebsprite_hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi_romans_brutii.spr model_sprite romans_julii, 60.0, eb/data/sprites/hellenistic/ebsprite_hellenistic_cavalry_hetairoi_kataphractoi_romans_brutii.spr model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

Same DMB, find further Mount - Grivpanvar Horse, change code to this one

Code:

type ebmount_grivpanvar_horse skeleton fs_cataphract_horse scale 0.875 indiv_range 40 texture romans_scipii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman&agart_scipii.tga texture parthia, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_parthia.tga texture romans_brutii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_stefan25_romans_brutii.TGA texture romans_julii, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_stefan25_romans_brutii.TGA texture pontus, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_antiochus_pontus.TGA texture merc, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_stefan25_merc.TGA texture slave, eb/data/models_unit/textures/mounts/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_parthia.tga model_flexi_m eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_high.cas, 25 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_med.cas, 55 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_low.cas, 80 model_flexi eb/data/models_unit/ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_arman_lowest.cas, max model_sprite romans_scipii, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_scipii.spr model_sprite parthia, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_sprite romans_brutii, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_romans_brutii.spr model_sprite romans_julii, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_ebmount_grivpanvar_horse_romans_brutii.spr model_sprite pontus, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_sprite merc, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_sprite slave, 100.0, eb/data/sprites/mounts/ebsprite_mount_grivpanvar_horse_parthia.spr model_tri 700, 0.3f, 0.3f, 0.3f

And don’t forget to backup all stuff before change something

Your simple solutions worked like charm. Now I know that it is possible to recruit a playable HK. I will try to find a way to do it without affecting Bactria.

Thank you Finn for taking the time to show me how it is done.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

As long as you follow Finn's explanation but also create a new EDU entry like you did initially (and the corresponding EDB entries) then it should work without affecting Baktria.

The problem with you initial method was that you hadn't specified what texture the mount would use for the AS, this will be what caused the crash. Also you don't need to create a renamed copy of the texture file, you can just copy the path of the Baktrian version.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

That is what I did thank you.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

How would one go about adding this to the Baktrian building list plus have the same aor as the agema?

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

How do you add it into the edu?

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

What do you mean?

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

I suspect kingman1337 followed advices but the engine overwrite edited EDU because of multiplayer and singleplayer types of EDU, so no changes happened.

For this case kingman1337, you should edit EDU from sp game edu backup and mp game edu backup. And don't forget about backups.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail

I suspect kingman1337 followed advices but the engine overwrite edited EDU because of multiplayer and singleplayer types of EDU, so no changes happened.

For this case kingman1337, you should edit EDU from sp game edu backup and mp game edu backup. And don't forget about backups.

I apologize. I meant EDB.

Re: Hetairoi Kataphraktoi for Arche

My suggestion would be to find the entry (or entries) for the standard Hetairoi, make a duplicate, and then change the unit into Hetairoi Kataphraktoi. Make sure you only do this for the Seleucid faction, though (their internal name is Romans_Julii). And, obviously, make a back-up of the EDB file first.