I have Never Read An article with which I have so Vehemently Disagreed

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...579533291.html

A 4000 word strawman complete with another strawman wrapped within the larger strawman narrative.

Is their a section of Isreali society that sees this as a zero sum game? (Every Arab child is one more brick in the wall so to speak) of course. However there is also a section of Plaestinian society...A much larger, much more politcaly active, and much better armed section that think the exact same thing.

Of course this is how the author feels as well. Any show of sympathy toward Jewish children is sympathy that is taken away from Arab children. Couple that with a nice dose of good ol fashion Arab victim "everything is black and white" mentallity and you get a diatrbae of how we demonize children and it's institutionilized.

Then to try an extrapolate the arguement into somekind of reflection of US race relations is a trip into bizzarro world. As if the phrase tough neighborhood is execlusivly used in such narrow terms. I have never heard the Isreali-Palistine conflict framed in such a way. An utter trash paragraph that serves only to give faux ammunition to the authors rediculous claims.

And of course when you use words like "Jewish Settler colony" you lose all credibilty with me. Such phrases are best left in a 1000 level polysci course.

Do I agree with allowing Jewish kids writing death messages on artillery peices? No. Do I agree with a Plaistenian Mickey Mouse spreading Jew hate? No. See how that works, I can simultaneously acknoweldge two wrongs are happening at once and I manage to do it without de-humanizing anyone!

The writer doesn't seem to acknowledge that whilst comments about how the conflict is affecting Palestine apply to all Palestinians, any comments about how it is affecting Israel usually only apply to the most vulnerable i.e. the elderly and children, so of course there is going to be a bias towards comments about Israeli children and not so many about Palestinian children.

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And of course when you use words like "Jewish Settler colony" you lose all credibilty with me.

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I gave up at "Arabopaedophobia"

Also, did anyone get the impression that the author thought that Israel was responsible for that Gazan boy selling vegetables in the rain?

Generally speaking, I find that AJE is somwehat like Fox News, only in some other part of some spectrum (I read both from time to time, I should say).

My hopes weren't high after "Although Palestinian children endure lives of suffering, Obama's love for their Israeli counterparts knows no limit.", but they sank still lower in the first paragraph. Kind of funny, though, the intellectual effort that went into this is reminiscent of that Glenn Beck clip about the Arab Spring where it was the Turks wot done it.

Even though the article itself is biased and written more like a propaganda piece, no one acknowledged that Palestinian children are indeed living in worse conditions than Israeli (their parents likewise), that Israelis are indeed colonizing the land so they can later claim it and that US supports all that (even though Obama toned it down somewhat).

...Do I even want to look at that artical?

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...579533291.html

A 4000 word strawman complete with another strawman wrapped within the larger strawman narrative.

Is their a section of Isreali society that sees this as a zero sum game? (Every Arab child is one more brick in the wall so to speak) of course. However there is also a section of Plaestinian society...A much larger, much more politcaly active, and much better armed section that think the exact same thing.

Of course this is how the author feels as well. Any show of sympathy toward Jewish children is sympathy that is taken away from Arab children. Couple that with a nice dose of good ol fashion Arab victim "everything is black and white" mentallity and you get a diatrbae of how we demonize children and it's institutionilized.

Then to try an extrapolate the arguement into somekind of reflection of US race relations is a trip into bizzarro world. As if the phrase tough neighborhood is execlusivly used in such narrow terms. I have never heard the Isreali-Palistine conflict framed in such a way. An utter trash paragraph that serves only to give faux ammunition to the authors rediculous claims.

And of course when you use words like "Jewish Settler colony" you lose all credibilty with me. Such phrases are best left in a 1000 level polysci course.

Do I agree with allowing Jewish kids writing death messages on artillery peices? No. Do I agree with a Plaistenian Mickey Mouse spreading Jew hate? No. See how that works, I can simultaneously acknoweldge two wrongs are happening at once and I manage to do it without de-humanizing anyone!

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Bollox, Strike.

That article is a very fine examination of US discourse about Israel.

You have my attention

Yes, I was afraid you'd say that.

Courtesy now obliges me to expand on my stated opinion. What was I thinking? :wall:



Hmmm...maybe I can put you off guard with a quick tribesie, and get away with it: Now then, Strike, has it never occurred to you in your judeogerontophilia that there is a noticable difference in the treatment of Jews and Arabs in the mainstream American press, notably, that this press writes from a complete internalisation of the Israeli point of view?
Owing to the strength of the Jewish lobby, the overrepresentation in American media, movie and media finance of people who identify with the Israeli side, and to a general acceptance of the post-1945/8 theological-cultural invention of a 'common Judeo-Christian culture'?

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Hmmm...maybe I can put you off guard with a quick tribesie, and get away with it: Now then, Strike, has it never occurred to you in your judeogerontophilia that there is a noticable difference in the treatment of Jews and Arabs in the mainstream American press, notably, that this press writes from a complete internalisation of the Israeli point of view?
Owing to the strength of the Jewish lobby, the overrepresentation in American media, movie and media finance of people who identify with the Israeli side, and to a general acceptance of the post-1945/8 theological-cultural invention of a 'common Judeo-Christian culture'?

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:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

No laughing smileys means Tribesy-fail. :

Must be movies I haven't seen, know only the excellent Waltz with Bashir. But is a jewish kid worth more than a Palestinian one, of course, the people who make monsters out of them certainly think so. And than they get shot oh dear. They are raised to be murderous bastards and they will die as murderous bastards BLAM make another one she isn't going anywhere anyway pump her up

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

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No laughing smileys means Tribesy-fail. :

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Arthur Foxache, how could I forget about them!? :wall:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Yes, I was afraid you'd say that.

Courtesy now obliges me to expand on my stated opinion. What was I thinking? :wall:



Hmmm...maybe I can put you off guard with a quick tribesie, and get away with it: Now then, Strike, has it never occurred to you in your judeogerontophilia that there is a noticable difference in the treatment of Jews and Arabs in the mainstream American press, notably, that this press writes from a complete internalisation of the Israeli point of view?
Owing to the strength of the Jewish lobby, the overrepresentation in American media, movie and media finance of people who identify with the Israeli side, and to a general acceptance of the post-1945/8 theological-cultural invention of a 'common Judeo-Christian culture'?

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Meh, Israleis have the better PR firm no doubt but the average American will have just as much sympathy for any child. I also think Amercia frames the conflict in its own terms but not in the conflated way this peice propagates. Isreal is a functioning democracy with all the trappings of a modern state. Palestine is 3rd world. Now some of that is Isreals fault but at the end of the day Americans will generally side with the like group of people, in this case the one with a PM, congress, and shopping malls.

The most vocal Palestinian supporters in America do themselves no favors either. Basically pumping propaganda for the PLO, they earn themselves no followers. Of course most propaganda from the Arab world looks like it comes from a 3 year old autistic child but I guess that sort of thing is to be expected when you don't have elections

The mans article is so grating on common sense it's rediculous

At the end of the day it comes down to this. Isreal could keep their crazies in check, I don't think Palestine can do the same, mostly due to the countries around Palestine

So yea

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

At the end of the day it comes down to this. Isreal could keep their crazies in check,

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Remains to be seen. An effort to do that would be a start.

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

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No laughing smileys means Tribesy-fail. :

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Ah the "good" ole days.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Meh, Israleis have the better PR firm no doubt but the average American will have just as much sympathy for any child. I also think Amercia frames the conflict in its own terms but not in the conflated way this peice propagates. Isreal is a functioning democracy with all the trappings of a modern state. Palestine is 3rd world. Now some of that is Isreals fault but at the end of the day Americans will generally side with the like group of people, in this case the one with a PM, congress, and shopping malls.

The most vocal Palestinian supporters in America do themselves no favors either. Basically pumping propaganda for the PLO, they earn themselves no followers. Of course most propaganda from the Arab world looks like it comes from a 3 year old autistic child but I guess that sort of thing is to be expected when you don't have elections

The mans article is so grating on common sense it's rediculous

At the end of the day it comes down to this. Isreal could keep their crazies in check, I don't think Palestine can do the same, mostly due to the countries around Palestine

So yea

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Israel's PR firm is the vast majority of the Western media, so yeah, they clearly have the advantage there. They also have the advantage of vast amounts of American arms and money, which they use in fun ways, like shooting angry rock armed people from behind the safety of wire fences, or arming crazy maronite militias in order for said militias to go about slaughtering lots of dirty arab refugees. The fun really doesn't stop in Israel, for they also allow mass murderers to run their governments, far from keeping these crazies in check they let them have the run of the place.

Now about those settler colonies, sure it is not a phrase which rolls off the tongue, so I'm open to suggestions as to how one should describe those vast concrete forts built atop the remains of a "3rd world" community.
I suppose you are right in that America see's some of itself in Israel, the rank hypocrisy, the support of the semi-fascist militias and politicians which they fund to dog the societies of their unyielding neighbours, and of course the unflinching belief that they both somehow stand as beacon's of liberty against all the evidence of history.

U mad brah?

Apoplectic

That'll kill ya

Just know those same Palestinians who sneak into Jewish homes in the west bank and cut 7 year old throats do not hold such moral indignation

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

That'll kill ya

Just know those same Palestinians who sneak into Jewish homes in the west bank and cut 7 year old throats do not hold such moral indignation

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Well slap me silly with a leek, is that so? You know, I always thought murderers, just so long as they were Palestinians, were actually really nice people.

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Originally Posted by bopa the Magyar

Well slap me silly with a leek, is that so? You know, I always thought murderers, just so long as they were Palestinians, were actually really nice people.

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Well thank God you stumbled upon this thread!

Jews controlling the media is always a riot as no other country is followed with such rabid contempt. Almost all MSM is anti-Israel. Got to make sense somehow but I'm really bad at leftist logic.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Jews controlling the media is always a riot as no other country is followed with such rabid contempt. Almost all MSM is anti-Israel. Got to make sense somehow but I'm really bad at leftist logic.

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You know it isn't leftist logic, right?

You do know it was Hitler and the far-right up came up with the whole "Jew World Conspiracy" and his anti-semantic forerunners ?

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You know it isn't leftist logic, right?

You do know it was Hitler and the far-right up came up with the whole "Jew World Conspiracy" and his anti-semantic forerunners ?

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Hitler was not "Far-Right" in any real sense, but in any case anti-Semitism is just as much, if not more, a feature left-wing Communism and anarchism as it is any right wing agenda.

Right does not = More prejudiced.

It is not an acceptable shorthand, it is a smear which the left likes to cultivate. Fact is, in current mainstream politics racism and class prejudice, as well as sectarianism, are more evident on the Left than the Right.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

That'll kill ya

Just know those same Palestinians who sneak into Jewish homes in the west bank and cut 7 year old throats do not hold such moral indignation

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Did they ever prove that was actually Palastinians?

Who are Palestinians?

EDIT: Not trolling here, but seriously, what makes someone Palestinian?

Until both sides decide they really love their children more than they hate each other the situation will continue.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You know it isn't leftist logic, right?

You do know it was Hitler and the far-right up came up with the whole "Jew World Conspiracy" and his anti-semantic forerunners ?

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Anti-semitism has a far longer and deeper history than that. The Nazi insanity was merely the "flowering" of such insipidity.

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Originally Posted by Ice

Ah the "good" ole days.

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Amen

When both parties jump all over each other to show just how enthusiastically they support the same cause - in this case, their support of a tiny, virtually meaningless nation - something is definitely going on behind the curtain. What that something is, I will not venture to say... :lipsrsealed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BaMLlnb_KI

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Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

Until both sides decide they really love their children more than they hate each other the situation will continue.

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I don't see Israeli's turning their children into suicide bombers, it will stop when it stops