Londons SlutWalk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13739876

10 minutes later the Royal Marienes were dispatched leaving 27 sluts dead and 142 arrested with lashes a near certainity

Oh wait that didn't happen at all.

Anyway I was taught no means no and have never questioned it. Then again I don't need to put on some machismo bravado

Edit: On a more non tangental point.

How a society treats its women is a great marker of how advanced the society is. I try never to paint with a broad brush but it is an undispuitable FACT that the worse off countries in the world treat women (and the meek) like cattle.

Their are a few things this old cowboy won't budge on.

5000 sluts gathered in one place? Are we sure this wasn't the casting call for the next season of Jersey Shore?

I recall a radio interview with the organizer of the Vancouver BC walk. The host asked if they were going to give out mace and the like to participants. The organizer said no, they wanted to change the culture, and how society viewed women.

Which is all well and good, but it seems to ignore the fact that most rapists don't care what society thinks of them. Yes, a lot of harassment can be from society's thoughts.

But there are scum who will do evil things without caring what anyone thinks, and it does not seem wise to ignore that in favor of high minded principles.

CR

Meh, aren't most rapes committed by people the victims knows? Often a former lover/family member?

It doesn't seem to matter how dress then

One sign said Rape = Patriarchy. Should I be worried about this so called 'Patriarchy' thing? Anyway, let them walk, as long as it isn't going through my street I'm fine with it, sice I heard there were crossdressers in it :shame:

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

5000 sluts gathered in one place?

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Hundreds of thousands actually, ever been in London. Don't expect them to be pretty though

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Hundreds of thousands actually, ever been in London. Don't expect them to be pretty though

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I don't know, I heard taxes on alcohol were raised and prices of beer skyrocketed over there. They might have sobered up.

I need more photos and video to........evaluate their issues in a more thoughtful way.

Yeah, the next time those women decide to march without tops on, campaigning against the opinions of judgmental jerks, they should really think twice before deciding if they want the world to know that their bitties sag.

No, English sluts, no! Nobody wants to see that. :laugh4:

"I am here (and not really queer) in solidarity. I can control myself - I am attracted to women but I don't feel the need to pressure them (so buy me a beer)."

So, this was organized by a 17 year old slut? I really need to visit London.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Hundreds of thousands actually, ever been in London. Don't expect them to be pretty though

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I've been all around the world, and I think that London has some of the best looking women anywhere. Although Amsterdam gets a few points too.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I recall a radio interview with the organizer of the Vancouver BC walk. The host asked if they were going to give out mace and the like to participants. The organizer said no, they wanted to change the culture, and how society viewed women.

Which is all well and good, but it seems to ignore the fact that most rapists don't care what society thinks of them. Yes, a lot of harassment can be from society's thoughts.

But there are scum who will do evil things without caring what anyone thinks, and it does not seem wise to ignore that in favor of high minded principles.

CR

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The Slutwalk isn't directed at the rapists as much as it is directed at society's tendency for victim-blaming in cases of rape. A substantial amount of the trauma rape victims experience isn't so much from the act itself but how people react to it.

This Vancouver policeman may very well be the most succesful troll alive.

Well you've seen what they do with flash/bang grenades. Right?

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Originally Posted by Subotan

The Slutwalk isn't directed at the rapists as much as it is directed at society's tendency for victim-blaming in cases of rape. A substantial amount of the trauma rape victims experience isn't so much from the act itself but how people react to it.

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It doesn't help when the defendant's solicitors play the inevitable "she was asking for it" spin too; there's precedence for men getting away with sexual assault on these grounds, making it difficult for women to pluck up the courage to approach the authorities even if they get past the social stigma.

Regarding the protests, I think that, first and foremost, it's about respect; wearing certain clothing, flirting or allowing someone to buy me a drink doesn't mean I wanna do the horizontal tango with them. This isn't a heterosexual phenomenon either, the LGBT community can be as bad with this at times. :<

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Yeah, the next time those women decide to march without tops on, campaigning against the opinions of judgmental jerks, they should really think twice before deciding if they want the world to know that their bitties sag.

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Yes, because we civilized men are all for women being treated equally as long as they're hot and everyone knows the value of a woman is dependant only on the perceived hotness of her body.

Read a hilarious article about the slutwalk that sounded from start to finish like it was written by Grumpy McGrumpenstein of the Grump Clan in New Grumpia. Can't find the link now, which is a shame, but it quoted nothing but horrified old-school feminists from start to finish, with maybe one quote from a supporter buried amidst the avalanche of disapproval.

Personally, I think women being sex-positive without fear of assault is a good thing, pure and simple. Most everybody likes feeling desirable and desired; that shouldn't have to be paired with a worry about whether or not a great miniskirt will function as some creep's get-out-of-rape-free card.

Hooray for women taking ownership of their sexuality. Phooey on the grumps and the sexual fearmongers.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I don't need to put on some machismo bravado

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Soon, I won't have to rummage through dumpsters to look for dirty magazines anymore so I can return to being my non-sexually frustrated non-eBravado self. :shame:

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Personally, I think women being sex-positive without fear of assault is a good thing, pure and simple. Most everybody likes feeling desirable and desired; that shouldn't have to be paired with a worry about whether or not a great miniskirt will function as some creep's get-out-of-rape-free card.

Hooray for women taking ownership of their sexuality. Phooey on the grumps and the sexual fearmongers.

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This, exactly all of this.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Yes, because we civilized men are all for women being treated equally as long as they're hot and everyone knows the value of a woman is dependant only on the perceived hotness of her body.

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Woosh.

Women want the freedom to dress provocatively in front of me without also being subjected to asinine arguments like "she was asking for it" if someone rapes them. I want women to have the freedom to dress provocatively in front of me without also being subjected to asinine arguments like "she was asking for it" if someone rapes them. And we all agree, it would be most preferable if no one rapes them. But in such an event, let's not defend the rapist and say it's okay to rape, as long as she's dressed provocatively.

And let's be honest, I'd be too chicken :daisy: to go down there and watch them walk around dressed provocatively. But I heartily support their right to do so.

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Originally Posted by BBC

Organisers of the worldwide events are trying to reclaim the word 'slut'

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Did I unknowingly take a nap during my English classes? Because I could've sworn 'slut' always held a negative connotion...

Regardless I support their endeavour. From a safe distance.

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Originally Posted by Arthur, king of the Britons

Did I unknowingly take a nap during my English classes? Because I could've sworn 'slut' always held a negative connotion...

Regardless I support their endeavour. From a safe distance.

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...That's why they're trying to reclaim it. Because it has a negative connotation. If it had a positive connotation, they would not be able to reclaim it.

Seems to me, when a woman can do what men are proud of doing, and not feel shame about it, we will have advanced as a society.

Right now, they are called "sluts" for behavior men encourage among themselves, and get away with far worse. Look at mister Anthony Wiener. At best, he's being called unprofessional and a liar. No one even blinks that his behavior was slutty by the definition applied to women.

Men are accepted as sluts, women are not. Definition and over-use of the word needs to change. Truly "slutty" people might even just have a psychological disorder, too... a compulsive thing that can be treated.

I find the word demeaning towards women, as not only does it bash them personally, it implies they are less of a person than a man is.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

...That's why they're trying to reclaim it. Because it has a negative connotation. If it had a positive connotation, they would not be able to reclaim it.

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But since it never had a positive connotation, wouldn't they simply be claiming the word as they never had it to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Seems to me, when a woman can do what men are proud of doing, and not feel shame about it, we will have advanced as a society.

Right now, they are called "sluts" for behavior men encourage among themselves, and get away with far worse. Look at mister Anthony Wiener. At best, he's being called unprofessional and a liar. No one even blinks that his behavior was slutty by the definition applied to women.

Men are accepted as sluts, women are not. Definition and over-use of the word needs to change. Truly "slutty" people might even just have a psychological disorder, too... a compulsive thing that can be treated.

I find the word demeaning towards women, as not only does it bash them personally, it implies they are less of a person than a man is.

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Sluttishness upsets men because it lays bear our weakness - show a bit of boob and we are immidiately distracted, and twice as pliable. Being "slut" implies a woman using her body to influence men, which tends to upset a fair number of us if we don't like the way we are being used, doesn't it?

So let's every man here actually get off his high horse and honestly interrogate how he feels about this issue, and how he sees scantily slad women. Then let's be honest about why women might decide to show off their bodies by dressing provocatively.

I don't accept in any way that women are "asking for it" if they dress a certain way and are raped, but nor am I going to ignore the fact that women dressing in a certain way does provoke rage in some men because of their own weakness.

Also, no one has suggested that men shouldn't throw themselves around as much. Maybe the answer is more ridiculing of men who can't keep it in their pants - I don't personally value such men very highly.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Sluttishness upsets men because it lays bear our weakness - show a bit of boob and we are immidiately distracted, and twice as pliable. Being "slut" implies a woman using her body to influence men, which tends to upset a fair number of us if we don't like the way we are being used, doesn't it?

So let's every man here actually get off his high horse and honestly interrogate how he feels about this issue, and how he sees scantily slad women. Then let's be honest about why women might decide to show off their bodies by dressing provocatively.

I don't accept in any way that women are "asking for it" if they dress a certain way and are raped, but nor am I going to ignore the fact that women dressing in a certain way does provoke rage in some men because of their own weakness.

Also, no one has suggested that men shouldn't throw themselves around as much. Maybe the answer is more ridiculing of men who can't keep it in their pants - I don't personally value such men very highly.

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I might tweak a phrase here and a nuance there, but basically I agree.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

I might tweak a phrase here and a nuance there, but basically I agree.

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Must be true then.

Fancy ice skating in Hell later?

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Sluttishness upsets men because it lays bear our weakness - show a bit of boob and we are immidiately distracted, and twice as pliable. Being "slut" implies a woman using her body to influence men, which tends to upset a fair number of us if we don't like the way we are being used, doesn't it?

So let's every man here actually get off his high horse and honestly interrogate how he feels about this issue, and how he sees scantily slad women. Then let's be honest about why women might decide to show off their bodies by dressing provocatively.

I don't accept in any way that women are "asking for it" if they dress a certain way and are raped, but nor am I going to ignore the fact that women dressing in a certain way does provoke rage in some men because of their own weakness.

Also, no one has suggested that men shouldn't throw themselves around as much. Maybe the answer is more ridiculing of men who can't keep it in their pants - I don't personally value such men very highly.

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Taliban philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Taliban philosophy.

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No - because, crucially, I locate the responsibility for a man's actions with the man, not the "slutty" woman. My point is simply that, as most women will admit in their more candid moments, part of the way women dress is about influencing men's reactions.

Case in point: Women who show cleavage when they go out, on one level they want you to look, on another level they don't. I'm fairly sure what they really want though is to find the man who obviously wants to look, but manages to maintain eye contact.

Western men are still men Louis, I will quite happily raise my hand and admit, if I see boobs, I want to look. Not looking is a constant effort if I don't have something else to focus, like a pretty pair of eyes.

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Originally Posted by PVC

Case in point: Women who show cleavage when they go out, on one level they want you to look, on another level they don't. I'm fairly sure what they really want though is to find the man who obviously wants to look, but manages to maintain eye contact.

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My pupils don't move to eyelevel until she punches me on the chin. :shame: