[EB]3v3 or 4v4 Historical Battle Idea

Ok, so LazyO had originally brought this idea to my attention through his participation in a late Roman era mod battle of the same concept. Anyway, the general idea would be for two 3 player teams composed of armies that are roughly similar to those used in the historical battle. Obviously, some differences would occur and such but the general idea is to find enough players, select a date in the near future at a time when all can participate, and then hold the battle.

Here is a rough draft of the rules I would impose though I hope to hear back from those interested on possible changes:
-Each team would have a "captain" who would act as the general present at the battle. This member is the only one capable of ordering the entire team through team chat. The others have to remain silent and "follow orders" although they would certainly not have to and could act on their own even disregarding their own general if they see fit! If the general dies during battle, the captain could no longer give orders and all will have to work independently of one another with not team chat coordination
-The divisions of players armies would vary depending on the battle chosen. Some might command the majority of the cavalry, others perhaps a wing. Each army would not be made equal as well, so selecting which army component each teammate would get would be of utmost importance.
-The battles would not necessarily be 100% balanced but no Thermopylae style battles for example. Each side would certainly have a good chance at victory. Some liberties may be taken in terms of troop numbers present to ensure this is the case.
-While terrain often played major roles in these battles, it is important to note that most EB maps are not well suited for even battles and that usage of typical maps such as Grassy Flatland or Pripyet Marshes may be unavoidable in order to ensure no clear advantages or disadvantages.

Some of the historical battles I feel would work well are as such: (mind you I am pulling these out of my behind at 2:15 at night so if I am somewhere off in left field let me know)
-Magnesia
-Cynoscalphae
-Raphia
-Arausio
-Carrhae
-Asculum
-Beneventum
-Zama
-Cannae
-Panion
-Bibracte
-Vosges
-Tigranocerta
-Chaeornea

If any of these ideas sound good or you have some others, post here please. I'd love for this to happen sometime soon within the next week or two.:2thumbsup:

Sounds great. Would have to be fairly balanced armies though... Me wanna be Hannibal at Zama and kill Scipio.

Too easy.

I suggest Magnesia.

Magnesia was actually my first choice as well. You can see I put it first in my list :p

Arent you an early riser. Mind coming on hamachi? we can discuss it in depth.

Really? I thought Magnesia is quite unbalanced as per Livy and Appian.

I don't see how it so unbalanced. Antiochus had a substantially larger force but it was poorly trained and organized in comparison to the experienced Roman force. Obviously we would play around with the estimates of soldiers present but I don't think it would be unbalanced. Poor organization can be handled numerous ways as in giving commanders a variety of units that do not necessarily constitute a proper army and forcing them to integrate in many places at once.

Oh and Lazy, I'm only up so early to study so sorry to disappoint lol

I'm interested, but are we going to reenact them or simply taking over the army compositions?

Sounds good. Not knocking the idea (which I love); just considering possible options.

Sounds good. Not knocking the idea (which I love); just considering possible options.

An odd double post by Shak, 2 hours apart lol.

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Originally Posted by Arjos

I'm interested, but are we going to reenact them or simply taking over the army compositions?

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I think just take over army compositions. There are too many factors involved in attempting a reenactment and a proper one would involve us already knowing who wins and who loses. I don't think there would be that much fun in that. It a chance to create an alternative history.

Haha, sorry about double post. No idea how that happened. Think I might have refreshed browser or something. Anyways, re-enactment would be dull... we should re play!

Great idea! Even I will try to find time for that! I vote for battle of Cynoscephalae. Maybe not quite balanced according to Plutarch but very interesting historically.

I tried to put something like this together but the army lists are the hard part to come up with.

It will require some imagination I'll admit, but a general consensus on army type, at the very least, is reachable.

Well, the research is kind of done already. The Historical Battles Pack contains a lot of them; all we have to do is maybe tweak it to general consensus! :)

I somehow don't possess the historical battle pack...
I'll have to dl it and check it out though I do have a book on the great battles of the Hellenistic world which goes into some detail about army compositions.

Cool. It's pretty interesting (the pack). The Battle of Cannae is awesome.

We should increase the numbers of units etc, to make it you know "more epic" :D

Lol! good luck 3v3ing that!

Don't get me wrong, its a great idea. Im just not sure everyone's comp can take it tho

The problem with Cannae is...well, the Roman commander was just not that smart.

No problem we can just reduce unit numbers for the carthaginians and put vega and gaius incharge of the romans :P

hahahaha. I wasn't proposing Cannae, was just saying the battle in the historical battles pack is great.

Great idea. I propose more specifically 3v3 on huge and on an EB map, not a vanilla one. Latest EDU (or 3.0 final when it's released). Players will take left centre and right respectively. These will be anywhere from 45 to 60 units on each side altogether. Ask gg2 and he can describe what historical battles are like on 3v3 in NTW3.

Some EB maps on the bottom are causing crash to me when i wanna to choose them :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Vega

Some EB maps on the bottom are causing crash to me when i wanna to choose them :inquisitive:

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What are their names?

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Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin

What are their names?

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Oh yeah. I need maps!

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Originally Posted by vartan

Oh yeah. I need maps!

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this is that famous map it crashes everytime i will edit post if i find more this one is on the bottom "EB marmarike kliffs"

Dibs capitain position and command over cavalery MUAHAHAHA! Doesnt matter which army!

If you ask me it should be a main army led by a captain, and two other armies of 10 units preferably auxillaries and mostly light armed.