Elephant VS Elephant battles

Hello there,
im seeking advice on using elephants. I already know how to use them very well, but i was wondering how they go against other elephants? its it the first person to charge wins? I usually use javelins to rout elephants but i was wondering if i could use my katapract elephants against Carthaginian forest elephants and not take too many caualties. im hesitant to try this because my army is a long way away from the recruitment zone

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Originally Posted by seleucid empire

Hello there,
im seeking advice on using elephants. I already know how to use them very well, but i was wondering how they go against other elephants? its it the first person to charge wins? I usually use javelins to rout elephants but i was wondering if i could use my katapract elephants against Carthaginian forest elephants and not take too many caualties. im hesitant to try this because my army is a long way away from the recruitment zone

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Theoretically, Cataphract Elephants should win against all other types (they have javelins, more armour, and superior morale). So far, I've only used other elephants in pachyderm fights though. Anyway, the best unit for such a job would be some kind of mounted skirmisher, in your case Hetairoi Aspidophoroi. Or Dahae/Arachosian skirmishers - they have more ammo.

pachiderm cabs derby ? all i have to say is that size matters

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Originally Posted by athanaric

Theoretically, Cataphract Elephants should win against all other types (they have javelins, more armour, and superior morale). So far, I've only used other elephants in pachyderm fights though. Anyway, the best unit for such a job would be some kind of mounted skirmisher, in your case Hetairoi Aspidophoroi. Or Dahae/Arachosian skirmishers - they have more ammo.

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african bush elephants are bigger than the indian ones arent they? would they just crush mine? i still havent tried it yet and i only have one unit of skirmisher cav which isnt doing all that much since carthage brings 3 units of these beast and i only have one

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Originally Posted by seleucid empire

african bush elephants are bigger than the indian ones arent they? would they just crush mine? i still havent tried it yet and i only have one unit of skirmisher cav which isnt doing all that much since carthage brings 3 units of these beast and i only have one

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Strictly speaking, they are bigger, however IIRC the regular Indian elephants have similar attack and defence (and HP). As I said, cataphract elephants should beat all other elephant types thanks to armour, discipline and javelins.
Bush Elephants are the easiest to rout (they have the lowest morale value of all recruitable units in EB), so you should try archers with flaming arrows too. If you have too few skirmishers in your field army, you could hire one or two units of mercenary Peltasts or skirmisher cavalry just to be on the safe side. Even regular Akontistai are super effective against elephants (the problem is that they're almost useless once their missiles are spent).

Do elephants scare elephants?

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Do elephants scare elephants?

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IIRC yes. I know for a fact that Gaesatae scare each other.

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Originally Posted by athanaric

IIRC yes. I know for a fact that Gaesatae scare each other.

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Elephants have the frighten_foot and frighten_mounted attribute. For Gaesatae it's clear they're considered infantry and are effected by frigthen_foot. The questions is if elephants are considered mounted internally. I could not find out so far where units are categorized mounted/foot/?, it does not seem to be in the unit text-files but I might be wrong.

I think elephants are classified as cavalry

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type indian elephant armored
dictionary indian_elephant_armored ; Armored Indian Elephants
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Female_1
soldier elephant_javelinmen, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
mount_effect horse +4, chariot +4
attributes sea_faring, can_run_amok, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 4
stat_pri 5, 0, javelin, 57.8, 20, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr thrown
stat_sec 5, 63, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 0 ,0.2
stat_sec_attr area, launching, ap
stat_pri_armour 14, 6, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 30, 7, metal
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 0, 0, -5, -4
stat_mental 10, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 15000, 5750, 270, 400, 15000
ownership romans_julii, romans_brutii, pontus

There are mounted attributes but apparently also differences between horses and elephants, and from vanilla, camels too. I'm not sure if frighten mounted refers to "mount" or "category"

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Originally Posted by athanaric

IIRC yes. I know for a fact that Gaesatae scare each other.

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Would Gaesatae ever fight each other and frighten each other? When wild elephants fight do they 'frighten' each other? I doubt either of these.

ofc gaesatae frighten each other it´s a question of point of view when you look at yourself you are looking down on yourself while when you´re looking at the other gaesatae you´re only looking half down on them wich creates an optic illusion regarding size wich ofc scares most men since men don´t like comparisons where they aren´t or don´t feel praised

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Originally Posted by moonburn

ofc gaesatae frighten each other it´s a question of point of view when you look at yourself you are looking down on yourself while when you´re looking at the other gaesatae you´re only looking half down on them wich creates an optic illusion regarding size wich ofc scares most men since men don´t like comparisons where they aren´t or don´t feel praised

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What are you smoking cause it must be very strong. Pass that # on brother.