Lack Of Religion!

Hi There guys & Friends !!

i recently Downloaded The EB ! so for me its New & GREAT !!

its very better than the original Rome Total War! this one is very accurate!

when i first heard the Parthians Speak Ancient Persian & Many Specifications about Ancient Living and was & Buildings i was SHOCKED !! Specially The Music was Masterpiece!!
but just lacks the Relgion in the game! we see in BI & Medieval they made a good Relegion Isuue but im surprised why in this great mod The Religion Spreading is not added !!
but you know , Its great from any aspect you look !!
so.....???

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Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya

Hi There guys & Friends !!

i recently Downloaded The EB ! so for me its New & GREAT !!

its very better than the original Rome Total War! this one is very accurate!

when i first heard the Parthians Speak Ancient Persian & Many Specifications about Ancient Living and was & Buildings i was SHOCKED !! Specially The Music was Masterpiece!!
but just lacks the Relgion in the game! we see in BI & Medieval they made a good Relegion Isuue but im surprised why in this great mod The Religion Spreading is not added !!
but you know , Its great from any aspect you look !!
so.....???

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I think it is because vanilla Rome doesn't allow it. I think (please correct me if I am wrong) the modders of EB wanted for it to work not only on BI but also on Rome.
But I do hope they add it in EBII

Also Religion spreading (and causing conflict) was not all that much an issue in the Period of the mod. Judaism is confinded to Judea, christianity not around yet. Polytheistic religions come along much better than monotheistic ones, you just call Wodan mercury, merge this god with that god and praise whatever forein god whenever you feel hes more appropriate to praise than your actual gods. The Zoroastrianism might have been considered particulary annoying by Greeks but I don't recall there being that much Djihads during the timeframe.

I think that ancient religious systems were, as a rule, not antagonistic towards eachother. Judaism was an exception because it claimed to be the exclusive truth, and went around telling other people they worshipped false gods. Not sure about Zoroastranianism.

There is a culture penalty when ruling over settlements with a different culture than your own. Other than that I don't think that regular RTW offers any possibilities to represent religious hostility. Barbarian Invasion did have something like this, but it would take some effort to mod it in - and I'm not sure how it could be done appropriately.

Your Completely Wrong!! Zoroastrianism Was a Complete Religion ! and it influenced Hinduism & Judaism & Christianity & Islam Very Very Much !! There are many Things In Those Religions That Completely Came From Zarathushtra's Mobeds and many things were Came Directly, but were some edited and restyled by their religions !!

and you think EB 2 is for rome 1 or 2?! if rome 2, the Rome 2 Itself is in that time !! So??!?! i dont think EB2 Be Released !!!!

relax, we were not saying that Zoroastrianism is not a complete Religion, but that there were no large religious conflicts because of it between 272BC and 14AD. Offcource other religions were influenced by Zoroastrianism, but the clashes between it and other religions(dunno about judaism) were of much more on a political and cultural Level.

Zoroastrianism clearly qualifies for the Religion System, however the other religions of the time do not.

EB2 will be for Medieval total war 2(not rome), it takes it's time, but I'm fairly certain it WILL be completed.

It's like asking for a School Soccer league in a City that has:
3 sportscolleges that only play Basketball. <-metaphor for polytheists
1 sportscollege that Plays mostly Soccer. <- metaphor for zoroastrians
1 preschool with a Soccer ground.
and a bunch of other Schools that play Basketball or hockey.

those zoroastrians Play quite good but you don't open a league because of one Team.

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Originally Posted by Ca Putt

relax, we were not saying that Zoroastrianism is not a complete Religion, but that there were no large religious conflicts because of it between 272BC and 14AD. Offcource other religions were influenced by Zoroastrianism, but the clashes between it and other religions(dunno about judaism) were of much more on a political and cultural Level.

Zoroastrianism clearly qualifies for the Religion System, however the other religions of the time do not.

EB2 will be for Medieval total war 2(not rome), it takes it's time, but I'm fairly certain it WILL be completed.

It's like asking for a School Soccer league in a City that has:
3 sportscolleges that only play Basketball. <-metaphor for polytheists
1 sportscollege that Plays mostly Soccer. <- metaphor for zoroastrians
1 preschool with a Soccer ground.
and a bunch of other Schools that play Basketball or hockey.

those zoroastrians Play quite good but you don't open a league because of one Team.

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no not just Zoroastrians. you told there was not many Religions that EB would created it! and i thought you said Zoroastrianism was not important so we dont nee religions in EB !!



and you know, Medieval 2 does not need EB! because first, it was not very popular like rome that its players play after 8 years! and second, medieval2 was a little accurate enough and does not need more accuracy when Total War Is Creating and Creating Games !!

Medieval 2 is great to mod tho and Looks much better than Rome total war(1). Also EB is all about accuracy. Check the Previews for EB2.

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Originally Posted by Ca Putt

Medieval 2 is great to mod tho and Looks much better than Rome total war(1). Also EB is all about accuracy. Check the Previews for EB2.

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but medievalic times are not that attractive and thrilleric!

EB2 is not set in the medieval period. Like EB1 it is set in the time from 272BCE to 14CE.
It just uses Medieval 2 TW as the basis for the mod.

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Originally Posted by Maeran

EB2 is not set in the medieval period. Like EB1 it is set in the time from 272BCE to 14CE.
It just uses Medieval 2 TW as the basis for the mod.

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you mean that EB2 is in Claszic Era ?!
but again not good! because the pleasure and attravtion of Rome 1, is much much better than Medieval 2
and the other thing......isnt Rome2 in EB2 times too?!

EB 2 uses the Medieval 2: Kingdoms game as a base to represent the Hellenistic period, within the same region and time frame as EB I. But with new and more features/content and more factions. It also uses some of the new advantages the Medieval 2:kingdoms game provides.

EB I was designed to work with Rome: Total War 1.5, which doesn't support religion without BI.

Rome II isn't yet released, so obviously we can't mod. It is at this point also unlikely it will be modable from the get go. Further more due to the DLC policy and general policy of CA's last games, it's highly unlikely a mod with the same scope and plethora of changes/features will ever be possible on the Rome II engine.

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Originally Posted by Moros

EB 2 uses the Medieval 2: Kingdoms game as a base to represent the Hellenistic period, within the same region and time frame as EB I. But with new and more features/content and more factions. It also uses some of the new advantages the Medieval 2:kingdoms game provides.

EB I was designed to work with Rome: Total War 1.5, which doesn't support religion without BI.

Rome II isn't yet released, so obviously we can't mod. It is at this point also unlikely it will be modable from the get go. Further more due to the DLC policy and general policy of CA's last games, it's highly unlikely a mod with the same scope and plethora of changes/features will ever be possible on the Rome II engine.

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only Greek factions ??!! thats not good !!!
at all EB2 will be made or not?!

Hellenistic Period, thus the time of Hellenism. EB2 (just like EB1) will include lots ot other factions. Pahlava, Hayasdan, Lusotannon, Getai all the old factions plus some new ones like Lugians, Nabatea, Taksashila and some more.

Now please stop complaining, look through the previews and stop using so many ! and ? one is totally fine, or use a . for a change.

Previews:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...-One-Thread-10

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Originally Posted by Ca Putt

Hellenistic Period, thus the time of Hellenism. EB2 (just like EB1) will include lots ot other factions. Pahlava, Hayasdan, Lusotannon, Getai all the old factions plus some new ones like Lugians, Nabatea, Taksashila and some more.

Now please stop complaining, look through the previews and stop using so many ! and ? one is totally fine, or use a . for a change.

Previews:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...-One-Thread-10

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This is correct. EB II wil feature at least the following factions:
(Steppe Nomads)
Saka Rauka
Sauromatae
Pahlava
(Indian)
Ghandara/Taksashila
(Hellenistic)
Epirus
Seleucids
Ptolemaics
Makedonians
Pergamon
Koinon Hellenon (the same greek league as in EB I)
Bosporus faction (Northern Black Sea)
(Near Eastern)
Hayasdan (Armenia)
Pontus
(Arabian peninsula)
Nabataea
Sabaea
(Africa)
Carthage
Numidia
(Celtic)
Arverni
Aedui
Arevaci (celtiberian)
Pritannoi (British Celts)
Lusitanians (in modern day Portugal)
Boii
(Germanic)
Sweboz (Suebi)
Lugii
(Latin/Italian)
SPQR
(Balkan)
Getae (dacian/thracian faction)

And yes its still being worked on. You can follow us at twitter (EBteam), check our preview as Ca Putt posted or check out our sneak peeks, dev blog and interviews. (See the stickied thread in the EB II forum)

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Originally Posted by Ca Putt

Hellenistic Period, thus the time of Hellenism. EB2 (just like EB1) will include lots ot other factions. Pahlava, Hayasdan, Lusotannon, Getai all the old factions plus some new ones like Lugians, Nabatea, Taksashila and some more.

Now please stop complaining, look through the previews and stop using so many ! and ? one is totally fine, or use a . for a change. (LOL really?)

Previews:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...-One-Thread-10

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Judging from his other comments, I doubt he will. he comes across as...well, just look at his reply to me at the speak your own language thread...

anyways: to add to Ca Putt's point, if you ("Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya") don't like the lack of a religious dimension to this mod, you are more than free to modify the mod and introduce religion, and if you feel, release a mini-mod for EB. In fact, there's a whole thread dedicated to this.

I would suggest you start by porting the mod to BI.

now please--please--stop whining about the lack of religious conflict. and learn to form coherent sentences. I didn't--couldn't--reply to your sentence over in the other thread because it was practically nonsense.

Wasnt Better with Empire GamePlay System?!! Medieval is not stirring!!!

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Judging from his other comments, I doubt he will. he comes across as...well, just look at his reply to me at the speak your own language thread...

anyways: to add to Ca Putt's point, if you ("Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya") don't like the lack of a religious dimension to this mod, you are more than free to modify the mod and introduce religion, and if you feel, release a mini-mod for EB. In fact, there's a whole thread dedicated to this.

I would suggest you start by porting the mod to BI.

now please--please--stop whining about the lack of religious conflict. and learn to form coherent sentences. I didn't--couldn't--reply to your sentence over in the other thread because it was practically nonsense.

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i dont know modding!! but your right.

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Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya

Wasnt Better with Empire GamePlay System?!! Medieval is not stirring!!!



i dont know modding!! but your right.

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we all had to start from somewhere... a good place to start would be here. simple enough, and it has sections on porting a mod, as well as introducing religious differences.

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Originally Posted by Ibrahim

we all had to start from somewhere... a good place to start would be here. simple enough, and it has sections on porting a mod, as well as introducing religious differences.

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oh! its too much troublesome, While my English its not perfect too!!
but really can i Create a Religion mod for it?!! because this can not be in Mini Mod!!!!

To get back to the original, I think an important aspect of both Judaism and Zoroastrianism is that they are not religions that place heavy emphasis on proselytisation: if my memory serves me well, there are only a few Jewish religious groups that accept conversion at all, and Zoroastrianism has very much been a religion of the elite and even during its heyday wasn't particularly attractive for the "common people".

what i know about zorothroaism or whatever came to me from reading about maniqueism so my knowledge is very limited

as for adding more religion to the game you people keep forgetting that religion is just another aspect of the culture of the place so you can mimic religious strifes with culture penalties as it happens already in getic and judaic lands

also empire your deslike towards islam seems a bit crude as much as my deslike for commies probably
i´ve read the quoran and it isn´t half bad if you strip it of it cultural limitations it could work very well alongside the bible imho to create a more peacefull world the problem seems to be what they call the sharia or their book of costums wich seems a very chauvinistic way to adress social issues

yes it´s important to have civil peace and forcing women to hide their assets to avert civil unreast is an effective way to avert a few of those issues (as nicolo machiavelli said aslong as you respect their wife most men won´t cause problems )
but just because it´s effective doesn´t mean it´s right you shouldn´t forçe on others prohibitions they should learn for themselfs to drink moderatly that eating pork when not properly stored can kill you and that washing your hands does save your life but it should be taught and not forced

thats just my 2 cents and i´m pretty sure i pissed off quite a few people already and probably made some stupid remarks out of ignorance so screw it thats just my point of view

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To get back to the original, I think an important aspect of both Judaism and Zoroastrianism is that they are not religions that place heavy emphasis on proselytisation: if my memory serves me well, there are only a few Jewish religious groups that accept conversion at all, and Zoroastrianism has very much been a religion of the elite and even during its heyday wasn't particularly attractive for the "common people".

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Proselytisation in the jewish religion isn't what it used to be. Note that during our period they actually forcedother people to become part of it. Also many of the earlier stories have foreigners becomming jewish as well (the wife of Joseph, the Queen of Sheba,...), so it definately used to be different. Actually it would be interesting to go and look and see when and why that has changed.

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Originally Posted by Hax

To get back to the original, I think an important aspect of both Judaism and Zoroastrianism is that they are not religions that place heavy emphasis on proselytisation: if my memory serves me well, there are only a few Jewish religious groups that accept conversion at all, and Zoroastrianism has very much been a religion of the elite and even during its heyday wasn't particularly attractive for the "common people".

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proselytisation in Judaism is not allowed because they think they are the Children of Israel and only THEY can Remain Judaism, because they are selected of god, and the else do not deserve to be jewish cause its a great insult to god's religion!!
im not Zoroastrian myself, because i dont know it completely, but Zoroastrianism is totally different, unlike Islam & Judaism & .... proselytisation must be with Complete Wise & Understanding in the Religion, until you dont know completely about the life's real purpose and the morality and reach to enough knowledge or gnosticism, you cant know the true meanings of Zarathustra's words and advises, so you cant know god! and thats why Zoroastrianism did not have heavy proselytisations, because you must know it wisely with understanding, so this means no one is allowed to force any one to Convert to Zoroastrianism or be forced either, and except Christianity & Buddhism, all other religions in humen history whether monotheism or not, forced the people to convert like ISlam! and thats why their religions were more stable.
Zoroastrianism never likes one in the pyramid to determine people what to do and what not, and always favor and supporter of the poor and public.

due to my internet limitation i cant link you for more knowledge about Zoroastrianism, but you can GOOGLE it - WIKIPEDIA IT to know better.
here too http://www.zoroastrianism.cc
but even they are not perfect, because Islam nearly wiped off Zoroastrianism because they were peaceful and did not want to hate or have a bloody resistance, so most were forced converted and the few escaped to india now known as PARSIS and lovely and popular to Indians (Except muslims!!), so much in unknown and even false about Zoroastrianism.

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Originally Posted by moonburn

what i know about zorothroaism or whatever came to me from reading about maniqueism so my knowledge is very limited

as for adding more religion to the game you people keep forgetting that religion is just another aspect of the culture of the place so you can mimic religious strifes with culture penalties as it happens already in getic and judaic lands

also empire your deslike towards islam seems a bit crude as much as my deslike for commies probably
i´ve read the quoran and it isn´t half bad if you strip it of it cultural limitations it could work very well alongside the bible imho to create a more peacefull world the problem seems to be what they call the sharia or their book of costums wich seems a very chauvinistic way to adress social issues

yes it´s important to have civil peace and forcing women to hide their assets to avert civil unreast is an effective way to avert a few of those issues (as nicolo machiavelli said aslong as you respect their wife most men won´t cause problems )
but just because it´s effective doesn´t mean it´s right you shouldn´t forçe on others prohibitions they should learn for themselfs to drink moderatly that eating pork when not properly stored can kill you and that washing your hands does save your life but it should be taught and not forced

thats just my 2 cents and i´m pretty sure i pissed off quite a few people already and probably made some stupid remarks out of ignorance so screw it thats just my point of view

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no i appreciate you!! thanks for the post. indeed i dont say Kuran is 100% evil or bad!! but its good things was for deception in times of GOOD MUHAMMAD, but when you read more and precisely, you'll se horrible and terrifyimg things in it and then the REAL MUHAMMAD appears!! if you have read it in English, i have read it in Arabic, so i can know more and read better than in any other languages!!
and you know forcing the women and etc, require very long discussion, it is not that "unrest" and simply you think or they have told you, in fact, you must read pre-Arabia history and influence of Zoroastrianism and Judaism in Islam and the Muhammad itself!!!
now you know why i say long?!!
i can give you alittle only and only about Womens issue in Islam,i strongly rwcommend you Download: SEX, SHARIAH,AND WOMEN, IN HISTORY OF ISLAM by MARIWAN HALABJAEE in English, he is a kurd that for only saying the truth, was excommunicated by the islamists and condemned and FUTWAed to death, the natural Islamic response to criticize!!

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Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya

he is a kurd that for only saying the truth, was excommunicated by the islamists and condemned and FUTWAed to death, the natural Islamic response to criticize!!

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:no:

This is only going to provoke a flamewar, so I am closing thread now.

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