Scotland's PUL community

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I don't understand what you're trying to say with this. Granted that may be because I didn't understand the people in the video.

In the video they are "rooting" for England and saying Scotland should stay in the UK. That one guy mentions that Scotland would be far worse off without England but doesn't make a scientifically sound statement out of it and does not cite any sources or proof.

I think Rhyf's point is that because of this, the video creator and others make fun of people like the ones in the video, laughing at them and calling them idiots. Rhyf's point is that these are honest working class people who economically have a very hard time and cannot be expected to express themselves like nobility and that people who make fun of them are meanies.
I think part of the point is also that some multicultural immigrant Scottish people who are pro-independence make fun of these pro-unionists even though immigrants should be for linking countries instead of "keeping to oneself" since the latter attitude usually prevents immigration. And that rich people are more likely to think independence is beneficial for them, unlike poor people, who like the support that Scotland receives from England but are mocked for their unfortunate history by the independensionists.

That's what I got from the post at least.

The working class is disgusting

They call Alan Cumming a :daisy: and a granny shagger.
Well... the majority of Council Hens in Rangers territory are grannies at the age of 30... and Cumming is 49 now?

Are the rangers any good?

I used to live in Saltcoats. :creep:

All this is down to that cretin Blair who thought he could appease the 'Nats' by giving them devolution and by the way, ensure a Labour government in perpetuity. What he hadn't planned on, him being a cretin, is that the 'Nats, would actually be the default government of Scotland.

Fast forwards 15 years and now we face the prospect of the break up of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If people thought that Blair would be remembered for the Iraq fiasco, I would say this. If the Scots vote to leave, he will be remembered as the Prime Minister that lost the UK.

A 21st century Lord North. No wonder he abolished the Treason Act. His head should be on London Bridge!

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Are the rangers any good?

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:quiet: shh

As Basil Faulty would say, "Don't mention the war".

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Ship the idiots back to Ulster then.

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The way the lefties think is indeed bizarre.

People on the so-called left of the political spectrum can be extremely arrogant and condescending, as can people on the right, in the middle, below and above, in front and behind, before and after. I think that covers all four dimensions of the political spectrum.

Tl;dr: People are problematic.[/Montmorency/Bijo]

Maybe we need a PUL member who pretends to be an uneducated pro-europe racist to win the next Eurovision so we can claim that Europe is finally tolerant towards PULs and accepts their innate lifestyle choices.

It won't happen. You'd never get a Weegie in a frock.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

And ship the blacks back to Africa.
And ship the Asians back to Asia.

Absolutely disgraceful and here we have a great example in our own Norwegian lefty of the hypocrisy that the Scottish left (heck, and centre and most of the right as well) show towards the PUL community.

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Then let the idiots stay in a multicultural Scotland, then.

I see no problems here.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Alex Salmond, not Alan Cummings.

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Who?
Anyway this guy is in his 60th year and would be a cradle robber.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

You don't have any problems with making a mockery of one of the most deprived groups in society?

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No, why?

Conservative lifestyles exists to be mocked.

And the Rangers fans deserve the same fate as their club. Bunch of wankers.

...they're not like that because they're conservative, you elitist fool, they're like that because they were born poor in a society increasingly designed to keep them that way.

The guy at 1:14 makes some good points and sort of shows up the 'posh looking guy' who seems rather clueless with his "I dunno lol". He talks about how the Union brings prosperity to Scotland and he leaves that leaving Britain would weaken the both of them, and put Scotland especially 'in the dumps' saying that in Ireland, the difference economy is very evident and how Welfare support will drop to £10 a week, saying he would have to consider going south of the border, perhaps to Wales because of his fears of the living conditions.

Other than some hyperboles, how is this opinion an irrational expression? How is that person anyway 'bad' ?

So in short, I don't 'get' it as it seems I am severely missing some point or mockery of the PUL community.

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So in short, I don't 'get' it as it seems I am severely missing some point

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It's called reality.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

...they're not like that because they're conservative, you elitist fool, they're like that because they were born poor in a society increasingly designed to keep them that way.

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I am such an elitist fool that I didn't watch the movie at all - so all I know about them are Rhy's text in the OP which I assumed fit into the same mould as many of his other posts concerning "white trash". That, plus them being Rangers fans. That automatically means it's safe to disregard them as idiots.

I won't ever watch a video on politics online. Ever.

If it isn't in text, it's not worth the time.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Who? What? I'm confused now. Google-fu reveals Alan Cummings to be an actor. Salmond is leader of the SNP, the party which brought up the independence issue.

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Alan Cummings on Scottish independence, here and here + interview.

Always had a problem understanding toothless ramblings around Govan. And you should have seen through the satire in my first post. Blinded by political enragement you are.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Conservative life-styles exist to be mocked? All of them? So I suppose all progressive life-styles are to be venerated then? Is the world of HoreTore's dreams a world where all thoughts of conservation, whether it be conservation of resources, territory, or values, are thoughts to be abandoned? Would you put a heroin-addled musician who votes progressive and lives in the hippest urban area over this offensive scotsman who, despite his shortcomings, probably works for a living?

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You're very aware I was talking of political conservatism... And yes, those who desire to keep the world as it is (or more commonly, how it was 50-ish years ago) should always be mocked, with or without a job.

And the hippie should get a haircut and a job. Lousy hippies.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Just making sure, just making sure. Either way, though, to deny that political conservatism has any merit is only slightly less silly.

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To be more specific, my gripe is with those who desire others to keep to the 'good ol' ways'.

You know, the old, white and retired ones who yells at the kids for skateboarding on the sidewalks. And of relevance to this thread, those who throws a hissy fit when they get a dark-skinned neighbor.

ITT: HoreTore equates lamenting about bad political reorganization with racist old people.

I hope HoreTore never asks why his favorite restaurant took an item off the menu, because asking for it back is equivalent to racism.

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

It's called reality.

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And how are his concerns not connected to reality?

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

The guy at 1:14 makes some good points and sort of shows up the 'posh looking guy' who seems rather clueless with his "I dunno lol". He talks about how the Union brings prosperity to Scotland and he leaves that leaving Britain would weaken the both of them, and put Scotland especially 'in the dumps' saying that in Ireland, the difference economy is very evident and how Welfare support will drop to £10 a week, saying he would have to consider going south of the border, perhaps to Wales because of his fears of the living conditions.

Other than some hyperboles, how is this opinion an irrational expression? How is that person anyway 'bad' ?

So in short, I don't 'get' it as it seems I am severely missing some point or mockery of the PUL community.

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The video was made by secessionists with the intention of presenting loyalists as football hooligans - Rhy isn't upset about what they say, he's upset about how they are being presented. The idea is to link "Loyalist" and "hooligan" in people's minds, making loyalism distasteful. You can tell this by the musical cues, the camera work and editing, and by the chosen context (going to/coming from a football match).

HoreTore's comment about sending them back to Ireland is just disgusting, but it demonstrates the effect on the intended audience - he now associates loyalism with social deviance.

You can actually see how distasteful the prissy little Edinburgh university boy sees these people by how far away from his body he's holding the microphone, and the fact that he's standing behind the camera.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

HoreTore's comment about sending them back to Ireland is just disgusting, but it demonstrates the effect on the intended audience - he now associates loyalism with social deviance.

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That could have been true - if I had actually watched the video in question...

And I don't really care about loyalism, my comment was based on football fans and conservatism(in general).

And the sooner Scotland can ship the Rangers(and Celtic) fans out of the country, the better.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

The video was made by secessionists with the intention of presenting loyalists as football hooligans - Rhy isn't upset about what they say, he's upset about how they are being presented. The idea is to link "Loyalist" and "hooligan" in people's minds, making loyalism distasteful. You can tell this by the musical cues, the camera work and editing, and by the chosen context (going to/coming from a football match).

HoreTore's comment about sending them back to Ireland is just disgusting, but it demonstrates the effect on the intended audience - he now associates loyalism with social deviance.

You can actually see how distasteful the prissy little Edinburgh university boy sees these people by how far away from his body he's holding the microphone, and the fact that he's standing behind the camera.

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Personally, I find much more in common with fellow football supporters, even of rival clubs, than with people who don't like football at all.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Personally, I find much more in common with fellow football supporters, even of rival clubs, than with people who don't like football at all.

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There's an extreme difference between a football fan and a hooligan.