Another shoot out, grenade attack and reports of hostages.
18+ dead
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-1...eports/6940722
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Another shoot out, grenade attack and reports of hostages.
18+ dead
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-1...eports/6940722
And we were so close to getting that Steve jobs
According to the AP its now 26 dead, and the military is now deployed in Paris, this looks like a major terrorist attack.
Hopefully the death toll will not go higher.
Arafat was an engineer. Genius/high intelligence doesn't equal good outcomes. It is still dependent on home life. My point was that genes aren't as important as social raising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
And there is only one thing that has nothing to do with this.
Wake up, Europe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203
Seems to be unfolding still at the moment.Quote:
At least 40 people have been killed in multiple shootings in the French capital, Paris, and explosions near the Stade de France.
French media say at least 15 people have been killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are reportedly being held hostage.
Some spectators fled the venue after police stormed it. Reports suggested gunmen shot many there.
President Francois Hollande has declared a state of emergency.
He has ordered all France's borders closed.
Paris authorities have asked people to stay indoors.
Three explosions were reported outside a bar near the Stade de France.
Elsewhere, at least one man opened fire at a restaurant in the 11th district of the city, causing several several casualties.
A BBC journalist at the Petit Cambodge restaurant said he could see 10 people lying on the road, either dead or seriously injured.
Police have now arrived and sealed off the area.
That is bad... So, perhaps we can join with the Russians now...
Move the recent comments from the last Paris attack thread in here.
EDIT: thanks
But the kebab shops are worth it.
Most likely, these where not Syrian citizens, but French. I don't think the jets will have to travel far..Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenus
True. The real target should be the Wahabists Saudis and Qatar, but, hey, we are selling them Rafales...
Want to neuter terrorists finance get rid of oil.
Small arms and grenades do not require a massive financial backing. The ability to plan logistics with twitter and burner cell phones does not require some sympathetic oil sheikh with cash to burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
France lost this war when the sons and grandsons of immigrants were ostracized from society. This chapter has already been written.
Oil pays for the root cause which is the extremist wahabist madras
I'm going to assume you know the story of Pandoras box? In any event, these attacks are so far removed from suadi whabbis. To talk about it smacks of moving the goal posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Not just the schools or the funding but the leverage fundamentalist areas have because they don't need to learn just pump out oil.
I bet that the most Christian fundamentalists areas in the U.S. on average have more oil fields and minerals then the less fundamentalist ones. Even within a state that's probably true too.
Oil allows fundamentalism to grow because their is no need for STEM to create an open idea knowledge based economy that runs counter to close minded fundamentalists of whatever flavour is local.
The box is open, it's burning, time to think our ways out of the problems.
So we could make like the Romans and crush them, we could remove their financial clout, we could better integrate those that come to our societies, we could stop allying with the ones funding the majority of the terrorists. I'm sure there is more we can do that won't just target the enemies of the nation foremost in funding this problem.
What is engineering no longer counted as a STEM field?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
You were so close, and then you had to bring STEM into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
STEM has nothing to do with fundamentalism at all - many of the European born terrorists are intelligent and well educated with backgrounds in medicine and IT.
It's all well and good to blame the Saudis but seeds only grow in fertile soil - you have to accept that there was and is an underlying current of hostility that just doesn't approve of the way we do things in the West and has no problem slaughtering Westeners for God.
These Muslims (not all Muslims) see us as sub-human, which is clear in the way they kill us indiscriminately man woman and child.
Slaughter under "justified" circumstances is built into the bedrock of Islam, just look at that argument I just finished with Hit - when it came down to it he felt it behove him to justify the genocide carried out by his Muslim forefathers. You can't excise that from the religion because it's there right at the beginning - sometimes you just have to kill the Unbelievers to protect the Faithful.
Anyway, what's happening in Paris is both horrific and mind boggling - if this turns out to have been carried out by Syrian or Afghan nationals then I forecast reprisal killings and you can expect the entire tone of the refugee crisis to change regardless of the origin of the terrorists.
I'm predicting that the anti-immigration parties will be winning more often than not in the coming election cycles. Just look at Poland.
Edit: something very interesting I came across, from a decade ago: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-369448.html
The exact opposite is true. Oilmen in the US are known for being the antithesis of any sort of zealotry. Next time it would be easier just to insult Texas rather than have a paragraph to nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
I don't really know what to say to this other than you are making science a religion in itself. By your own admission these men are quite apt at gaining STEM degrees. I would argue that STEM rewards the rigid thinking that most fundamentalists follow. Although, I don't ascribe any special qualities to STEM as a whole.Quote:
Oil allows fundamentalism to grow because their is no need for STEM to create an open idea knowledge based economy that runs counter to close minded fundamentalists of whatever flavour is local.
Crush the myth of multiculturalism. Follow an assimilation model or severely limit the number of immigrants taken in.Quote:
The box is open, it's burning, time to think our ways out of the problems.
The whabbis have spoken and the madrasas have been built. We can't put the genie back in the bottle. Its also rather myopic to think the whabbis have more influence than any other kind Islamist.Quote:
So we could make like the Romans and crush them, we could remove their financial clout, we could better integrate those that come to our societies, we could stop allying with the ones funding the majority of the terrorists. I'm sure there is more we can do that won't just target the enemies of the nation foremost in funding this problem.
Most of those engineers are ex pats or go overseas to get their training. Either way they are a social minority and not the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Remove kebab before kebab removes you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
looks really bad
No politics or 2nd guessing on this one for me tonight fellas. Just an awful lot of sadness. Louis and the rest of my French friends, my heart bleeds for you tonight. Be safe. God bless you and hold you close. You are in my prayers.
Seems to have been really well organised, they must have been preparing this for months. I'll also refrain from comment at the moment this is really horrible.
It's been less than an year since the Charlie Hebdo shooting and indeed, this wasn't some random Ahmed suddenly feeling the urge to do the will of the Prophet, but a very well-organized attack. Looks like a proverbial case of incompetence on the side of the French intelligence.
So will Hollande step up his evil communist plan and invade the caliphate now?
All Islamists are Wahhabis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
If it was them they probably would have claimed it by nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Husar