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Does the swordsmen bonus against spear units apply to units that are not "proper" swordsmen, but fight with swords? So for example, do handgunners or archers who are engaged in melee with a spear unit get the same +1 bonus as feudal men at arms?
Thanks in advance.
There is no column in the unit prod file for the sword v. spear bonus like there is with the anti-cav bonuses. If I remember correctly the sword bonus was hard-coded in for the RPS effect, so my guess would be any unit that has SWORD in the melee type column (SWORD/SPEAR/AXE/CLUB choices) would get it against a unit with SPEAR.
drone,
Yeah, everything you said makes sense and is probably how it works. But it does make me wonder, most cav units use swords according to the unit file, so do they get the +1 as well? Or are is there a hard coded exemption for cav units using swords?
Its hard-coded, as drone says, its a hidden bonus in attack/defence..
it was given with the first patch iirc, as spears [with the rank bonuses] were dominating the game - there was no Rock/Paper/Scissors RPS gameplay {spears beat cav, cav beats swords, swords beat spears}.. hence the hidden bonus that gave swords an edge..
btw after this, spears were - in mp anyway - made redundant..:laugh4:
Supposedly the sword vs spear bonus only applies when the spear unit has rank bonuses, which fits with Gallum's comment about the spears being OP with a rank bonus. See post 5 in the thread referenced below.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...ords+vs+spears
Thanks for the link BB, interesting thread..:bow:
I have no memory of that thread whatsoever, thanks for digging that up!
lol. If you've read the thread you know I was one confused noob. :laugh4:
should have seen me back in the old .com forums - spring 2006 BB..~:)Quote:
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it was there that i 'met' caravel [back then caravellini]..
caravel, if you are reading this.. come back..:yes: