Knight Orders today

It is maybe somehow alien to hear that, but the Knights are still there within us. Their Organisations still remain in our industrialised world... and many of them offer Membership on the Web. ~:)

I don't want to make advertising for them, but somehow it's interessting to read.

Knights Templar

The Order was re-established by 1705 at Versailles, the german subdiary is the OSMTH - Großpriorat e.v. Membership is open for anybody who did not come into conflict with the Law.

St.Lazarus Order

The St.Lazarus is diffrently to the others not a re-constructed Order, it has survived until today, and it is still a militery-order. In Austria and Germany people may by law wear St.Lazarus-Insignia on Police and Militery Uniforms, for short time it was in the News that a "Oberst Weiss" wore his Order-Cape in Kabul and got rubble with the local Islamic Authorities. (Okay, in Iraq Weiss certainly got a bullet as "rubble")

Teutonic Knights

The teutonic Knights survived in Austria under protection of the catholic Habsburg Dynasty, today the Order is no longer a "Knight-Order" Membership is exclusive for catholic Clerics and also these are chosen by Members of the Order. A Dwarf wearing the Name of a Giant.

If you find additional Matirial on that topic please post it here, or do we even have a true believer who wants to join them? ~D

Order of Malta
Its funny I never thought of the Order as Knights , I thought it was just an excuse to get into sporting events for free . ~D

There are a lot of Organisations out there that claim to have some kind of historical roots with the orders of the crusades.
In Germany a huge part of the health care is organized and carried out by those organisations.
http://www.malteser.de/
http://www.johanniter.de/
But they are far from being military orders, their roots may be identical with the orders of the crusades but they are focusing on the health care part of an orders work only. They have emergency ambulances, hospitals, schools and some of them even work in foreign countries to build up the infrastructure or deliver supplies (food, medicine) in critical regions (e.g. ruanda, sudan, iraq).
The work is carried out mostly by volounteers and financed by donations.
I assume that they still have their catholic roots but as far as i know they never tried to missionate.

Alex

Knights Hospilliter.
In Malta, the Knights of St. John the Hospilliter still exist. Catholic order and not overly changed from it's heyday.

Knights Templar, has never been recontrusted, it is illegal,(Catholic Illegal). They need to be officated by the pope to exist, (need a papal Bull to reenact them). Anyone claiming to be the Knights templar is a lair, that simple.
Their last Grand master was burned at the stake. in about 1242AD or something.

The Knights of St. Geroge, still exist. UK. Royal Knights to the Monarch still.

The Knights of St. John, still exist. They where the original Red Cross if i remember correctly, Knights of St John are the Anglo-Celtic Red Cross type organisation, in about 60 countries around the world. They run medical faciliaties and Ambulances, and medical training.

The Knights Santiago, I think still exist, in much the same form as the Tuetonic Knights.

The Knights Calatrava, also, though I think they are now monastic.

~:cheers:

fenir

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Order of Malta
Its funny I never thought of the Order as Knights , I thought it was just an excuse to get into sporting events for free . ~D

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These are the famed Hospitaller Knights, the only 'knightly' order to survive into this time without having been re-established.



~Wiz

I was under the impression that the Knights Templar had fled to Scotland after the crackdown in France and that once there they had become the Freemasons. I have also heard that the 'curse' of Friday the 13th comes from the day the Knights Templar were 'betrayed' in France and forced to flee. Is there any truth in either of these or are they urban legends?

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These are the famed Hospitaller Knights, the only 'knightly' order to survive into this time without having been re-established.



~Wiz

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Well. I must had this: Although some convulsions happened, the Portuguese Ordem de Cristo (Order of Christ), Ordem de Avis (Order of Avis) and Ordem Militar de Sant'Iago da Espada (Order of St.James of the Sword), survived until our times one way or the other...

The Wizard
Quite correct.

TinCow
Sorry thats absolutely and urban myth. They where "hunted down" Literally. The where declared illegal and unholy.
Therefore no one was allowed to harbour them. Anyone caught doing so, would also be put to death.
It's a long, story, and there are several versions....but in essence, they have not existed for 800 to 900 years.

Aymr de Bois Mauri
Thank you, I was looking for them, but didn't have much time to find them the other night.



There are quite a few, knightly Orders still in existance. They are just not that well known believe it or not.
The Hospitaller Knights, are still active, and you still have to be a noble by birth to join as a knight. You can as joe blogg, public, join them only as a compainion.


fenir

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TinCow
Sorry thats absolutely and urban myth. They where "hunted down" Literally. The where declared illegal and unholy.
Therefore no one was allowed to harbour them. Anyone caught doing so, would also be put to death.
It's a long, story, and there are several versions....but in essence, they have not existed for 800 to 900 years.

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Does that include the origin of Friday the 13th as well?

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TinCow
Sorry thats absolutely and urban myth. They where "hunted down" Literally. The where declared illegal and unholy.
Therefore no one was allowed to harbour them. Anyone caught doing so, would also be put to death.
It's a long, story, and there are several versions....but in essence, they have not existed for 800 to 900 years.

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They wern't hunted down much outside of France, but they was decleared illegal and they got absorbed by the Hospitalliers. In Scotland they got namned the order of St. John and Templars or something like that and that's probably why that myth is using Scotland.

Aymar, they was all abolished 1910 and then re-established 1917, they did survive 7 years of abolishment without much problem but The Wizards comment stands true.

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Knights Hospilliter.
Knights Templar, has never been recontrusted, it is illegal,(Catholic Illegal). They need to be officated by the pope to exist, (need a papal Bull to reenact them). Anyone claiming to be the Knights templar is a lair, that simple.
Their last Grand master was burned at the stake. in about 1242AD or something.

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Sorry. He was burned in 1307AD.

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Originally Posted by Ironside

They wern't hunted down much outside of France, but they was decleared illegal and they got absorbed by the Hospitalliers. In Scotland they got namned the order of St. John and Templars or something like that and that's probably why that myth is using Scotland.

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In Portugal, they became the Order of Christ, sponsored by the Portuguese King. So, they are the closest to Templars you'll find.

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Aymar, they was all abolished 1910 and then re-established 1917, they did survive 7 years of abolishment without much problem but The Wizards comment stands true.

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I didn't said he was wrong, did I? :wink: I said they "survived until our times one way or the other"... ...Even with interruptions. :joker:

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Originally Posted by fenir

Knights Templar, has never been recontrusted, it is illegal,(Catholic Illegal). They need to be officated by the pope to exist, (need a papal Bull to reenact them). Anyone claiming to be the Knights templar is a lair, that simple.
Their last Grand master was burned at the stake. in about 1242AD or something.

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Well, Napoleon I put in a comission that declared the innocence of the Order by 1800. After him the re-established Monarchy of France temporarly made it the royal order of France (until they were smacked down by the Republic once again). The modern Templars are neutral between Catholic and Protestants and employ both, through they are accepted by the Protestant Church and the Pope can't excommunicate them the new Templarorder can moreover S*it on the papal Bull.

However, most modern Knightorders have the follwing Condition of joining: "It is not possible to apply for Membership, new Members are chosen by Intention of Senior Members." In modern English that means somehow: "We are an exclusive organisation and we only integrate Friends or children of ourselves. You are not welcomed"

St.Lazarus is the last Order that has stood a Crusader-Order, through St.Lazarus allows Soldiers within its ranks and is open for anyone who can proove to be a christian believer. This is a hard contrast to, for example, the St.Johns Order which is A-Exclusive and B-Pacifist.

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Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

Sorry. He was burned in 1307AD.

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actually - many in the order were arrested in that year, the order was dissolved in 1309 - i believe that Molay was executed in 1314

IMO - the only real orders are the ones who have a papal bull supporting them and have lasted since their inception

there really is no other valid interpretation of continuum in the orders unless after the reformation the actual leadership split with the church - even then - it would be a case of the ceo leaving the company and that would be grounds to take the name

otherwise they are the same as the knights of columbus, the freemasons and the elks/rotary/etc